Pay No Attention: Penn State 13th In First BCS Standings
by Kevin HD on Oct 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT
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Stumbles by some of the top teams bumped Penn State up to 11th in both the Coaches' and Harris poll, but the team was roughed up by the computers and end up with a final BCS rank of 13.
The SOS is absolutely brutal from the machines, and it shows in the rankings they spit out:
| A&H | 14 |
| Bill. | 16 |
| Colley | 15 |
| Massey | 16 |
| Sagarin | NR |
| Wolfe | 25 |
| Average | 17 |
That average of 17 is below two-loss teams Virginia Tech, Wisconsin and Arizona and one-loss Utah.
Iowa sits at 6th with a computer average that ranks third. Ohio State sits at 19th in the standings; Wisconsin is two spots behind at 21 despite being 38th and 31st in the human polls.
Notre Dame is somehow absent from the BCS despite what can only be described as another awesome loss to USC. They don't play another team that even sniffs the top 25 other than #20 Pitt.
For you dreamers, Penn State is still mostly behind the 8-ball after that loss to Iowa. A Big Ten title means Iowa has to somehow lose to both Michigan State and Ohio State.
Considering the SEC bloc at the top and Big Ten computer hate, an MNC hope is mostly for the insane.
With Ohio State's face-plant this week, the realistic ceiling is probably a BCS game against Miami in the Orange Bowl, but there is still an awful lot to improve upon before you can consider that in any way likely.
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It'll kill me if Iowa goes to the National Championship game
by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not if Florida and/or Bama, and TX run the table they won't
I still say they drop at least one. I’m not trying to be too hard on them since they are one of the best (defensive) teams in the B10, that’s just the hate talking.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be upset if they make it and lose. If they win, it’d shut up some of the SEC people. Maybe.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 18, 2009 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If they make it they'll win it
I guarantee it. The media would hype the other team, “Iowa is boring and they have no chance”, etc.
1986 all over again.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or they make it and get beat by a better team
I could see either happening, though I find my scenario more likely. You can only win games they way they are winning games for so long. I have nothing against their style, as the only thing that matters is the W; however a good enough team will make them pay dearly for their mistakes(which are about 100% on their offensive side). A pick six here or there and boom! roasted. I will say that if Dick Stanzi can fix his cranial-rectal inversion problem in first halves, i would feel much differently.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
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by Roland86 on Oct 18, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note: I don't think they will go undefated
Stanzi is still a little too iffy. They need to tighten up the run defense a little more as well.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People said that about OSU in 2001 too
Sometimes, teams have “it”. Whatever “it” is. They win games in the ugliest manner possible but always make the play to pull it off at the end. (That sounds like a horrible cliche, and it probably is. But cliches don’t come into use if there’s not at least some truth to them.)
I’m hoping you’re right (and that a few STANZIBALLS will somehow put MSU atop the Big Ten standings this weekend – a position I do not think we have any right to occupy, but if it should happen I will fully enjoy it until reality returns), but I would not be surprised to see Iowa run the table.
by SpartanDan on Oct 19, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though RR loves Iowa....
I have to agree with him. That boring brand of fundamentals and defense is what got OSU to the title game in 2002. They were winning some ugly games that year, I mean like 10-6 stuff against middle of the pack teams. And they did it with a QB that was probably worse than Stanzi (krenzel or whatever).
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 18, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pipe dream
they are very very solid, and beat us. Fine. But they aren’t that good. Fact is, whole conference is not that good this year. Can’t score, can’t win. If we want to have any shot at retaining some national respect, we better pray they don’t win out, because if they go, they would get WAXED.
by PSUinBOSSton on Oct 18, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you are 7-0 and have won in State College and in Madison, after trailing in both games, you are pretty good
Iowa looks bad in every game? Yes, that’s true. I know it sounds cliche and stupid, but that’s their style.
That is not a team that would get waxed. They play defense too well. Better yet, they don’t panic.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, lemme rephrase that
They could get waxed if they play a 2006 Ohio State type team. Due to Norm Parker’s love of putting linebackers on slot receivers like Anthony Gonzales. I’m not sure if Iowa even ran the nickle in that game. Crazy.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 Iowa
They remind me a lot of 2002 Ohio State. Ugly win after ugly win. Pulling wins out of their butt in the final seconds. Winning 13-9 on a defensive touchdown. Every week you knew this was the week they were going to lose, but they just found a way to keep winning.
If we can’t win the Big Ten, I hope Iowa does. Anyone but Ohio State again.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 18, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed
Winning 13-9 on a defensive touchdown with help from refs who were blinded to Chris Gamble tackling Bryant Johnson on a 4th down
We lost fair and square, but it still pisses me off that they missed one that obvious.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why that's striked through
Sorry
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I frankly don't care how good the conference is
The Big 12 has Texas then a bunch of chumps and a talented but sloppy OU team. The SEC has Florida, Bama, an iffy LSU team, a decent Arky team, a decent Auburn team, a QBless Carolina team, then a bunch of mush. The Pac-10? Eh. The ACC is still the ACC: they all beat the crap out of each other, and you must sort out something from the remnants.
The biggest reason I defend Iowa is because I think people undervalue them because of our conference. But the other conferences are great either.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida......
SOS of 8 ? Puh-lease. There is a good chance that when its all said and done, they will have played only one team that ends up in the top 25 in the year end rankings. I was surprised that SOS was rated so high.
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by ech2os on Oct 18, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually.....
I suppose that speak more to how weak everybody else’s schedule is rather than to how strong Florida’s is.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLy glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
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by ech2os on Oct 18, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness....
for a “tOSU Style Big Ten Title” we really only need Iowa to lose one game.
Honestly, I think a lot (read too many) cards have to fall our way to end up anywhere other than Orlando this winter. While it certainly doesn’t have the cache of a BCS game, I would not be opposed to laying the wood to some OMG SEC team in a bowl game.
For now though, I am just going to focus my concern/worry on getting by Michigan Saturday and even though they looked terrible this week that tOSU game in three weeks still scares the crap out of me.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Oct 18, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"tOSU style Big Ten Title"
Yeah, except we’re PSU and don’t have to stoop to the Bucknut’s level of needing a constant patting on the back for losing games but still trying to shine a turd into a diamond so that they can claim some sort of “championship” however undeserved it is. If I see one PSU 2009 big ten champs t-shirt being worn by anyone (assuming we win out and are 7-1 along with Iowa who drops a game somewhere), I will punch whoever you are in the face.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 18, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That was sort of the joke I was making with the quotes
Trust me, I am the last person who believes that if both PSU and Iowa end up at 7-1 we are somehow co-champions. If a head to head loss doesn’t settle it, I’m not sure what does.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Oct 18, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that hypothetical situation where we're tied...
(which I don’t think happens because Iowa is too solid and past the hardest part of their schedule), I would NOT be too happy with the good folk for Football operations putting up “2009” lettering in Beaver stadium.
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 18, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be...
if we get into a bcs bowl and beat an omg sec team.
Meadville, PA born and raised.
by mikeissurreal on Oct 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this talk.
I hope you never expect to go to another PSU game then. Because there will be a 2009 right up there next to the 2008. In PSU material they put forward(game mags and the like) it will say back to back big10 champions. There will likely be a big ten champs trophy in the Lasch building.
I won’t bring it up to brag about it or buy any memorabilia or anything, but I am not going to abandon the thing either.
I mean this is all a moo point right now anyways.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Oct 18, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just hard to walk around with that label if you don't own the head to head match up
I think that’s the point.
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 18, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
OK, to be fair, in this case it would be unfair, because our schedule is pansy and we’re easily the best team Iowa faced and we haven’t faced anyone near our own quality yet (and we won’t thanks to OSU suckitude).
But always relying on head to head is silly. If in the end Iowa would end up with equal quality wins with us (which as said above, they won’t), but they lost to, say, Indiana or something stupid, and we lost to Iowa, by any logic, we’d be the better team, because our loss was better.
But this is all academic, because it’s nigh-impossible to make the claim that any 1-loss Iowa team isn’t better than a 1-loss PSU team.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 19, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"by any logic, we’d be the better team"
There is a certain logic to relying on head-to-head competition to find out if one team is better than another team.
by Aaron PSU on Oct 20, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
No, actually, there isn’t. You can’t make a consistent logical ordering of teams relying strictly on head to head.
Hence the existence of sites like beatpaths.com. You have to resolve loops somehow, and in any logical method for resolving loops, a team that loses to a lesser team is going to lose out.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 20, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't know, so I'm asking
Do they give Big Ten trophies to co-champs? Did tOSU get one last year?
And do you honestly think that the team, or Paterno especially, is going to accept a “co-champion” title when we lost the head-to-head? And I would sincerely hope that the PSU marketing dept wont pull a tOSU and claim we’ve won B10 championships 3 out of the last 5 years?
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 18, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they get a trophy too..
It just sucks because in 2005 and 2008 our guys felt like they deserved sole recognition and the OSU guys were like “we can’t change the rules” blah blah.
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 18, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
They televised tOSU celebrating their Big Ten Championship after their game with scUM last year. Michigan and OSU have split so many you aren’t going to change their minds about it. They’ve had years to come up with convoluted reasons for why both are deserving (yup, I work right next to an OSU grad)
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Oct 18, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah... you get the 3rd rec from me on that
that co-champ crap is for losers (you know who I am talking about there team in a state just west of us). No self respecting PSU fan should ever even consider wearing such a useless garment
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dawson bringing it Strong!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Computer Rankings include SOS, but not Gate Receipts?!
How does PSU end up ranked so poorly in the computer rankings? Don’t the computer rankings factor in the gate receipts of their 4 non-conference games?
If teams are graded upon a system that doesn’t include $ taken in at the gate, why then would our AD schedule games based upon reasons that don’t factor in to the system by which a team is measured?
I thought the “strength of schedule” problem was isolated to college basketball’s RPI system and thus why Curley was caught off guard and unaware.
So the inadequate scheduling of opponents has served to hurt Penn State in not one, but both major sports? Good thing Tim Curley grew up selling programs in Beaver Stadium, otherwise someone might have to start questioning his job performance.
by NittanyBadger on Oct 18, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, did you know that our schedule sucks this year?
Not sure if anyone heard about that or not.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it has helped the university as a whole.
Do you like following our amazing Volleyball teams? How about the tear wrestling recruiting is on, making us (hopefully) a future powerhouse? The sick hockey team making strides towards the NCAA? Fencing dominance? And on and on and on. If you are interested in any, you should at least acknowledge that our University does not have it’s sports compete in some vacuum.
by PSUinBOSSton on Oct 18, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hockey not in NCAA
Should be pointed out as more of a failure than an accomplishment of the Athletic Department.
“Hey, we’re almost there!! Its been 15 years since we started talking about it, and we’re almost there!”
Woo, hoo. Consider improving your reference point for “making strides”.
by NittanyBadger on Oct 19, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pennlive flashback...
This is not good.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 19, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"How does PSU end up ranked so poorly in the computer rankings?"
1) Because we lost to Iowa.
2) Plus, our opponents are even worse than their average performances. Yeah, Akron, Syracuse, Temple aren’t world beaters, but Akron can usually manage to beat someone other than an FCS school.
3) Plus, we haven’t played Michigan, Michigan State, or Ohio State, all of whom are above-average FBS teams.
4) Did I mention we lost a game?
So the inadequate scheduling of opponents
F’crying out loud, just stop it. Syracuse is a rivalry going back forever. Yes, they suck this year. Darn. That won’t stop Florida from playing Florida State. It doesn’t stop Iowa from playing Iowa State. Akron was a MAC team (which the Big Ten has a contract with) and Temple is also a rivalry going back over 70 years.
We’re part of a major BCS conference. We don’t need to schedule that hard. We just need to win all of our games in conference. Which we didn’t. So stop complaining.
Curley didn’t hurt us. Losing to Iowa did.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
off topic:
Great day for Tamba Hali and the Poz. Not so much for Kerry Collins.
by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poz...
is he playing again? wasn’t sure about the injury..
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PSU in the pros
Yeah Safety for Hali vs Redskins
Poz intercepting Sanchez.
Derrick Williams returning 6 kickoffs for 96 yards wasn’t to bad either.
by jebatzel on Oct 18, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't catch D-Will. Is he making Stafford look good?
by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 18, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford's been out
for two weeks with a knee injury. Daunte Culpeper’s been trying to throw the ball to DWill and Bryant Johnson in between 8 yard sacks and ham sandwiches.
The QB situation in Detroit is tenuous at best.
by jtw126 on Oct 19, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm the only one
I really don’t care about the polls anymore. We could be ranked #6 or we could be ranked #16. It really makes no difference to me. I could tell before the season started we would have to go undefeated and still get a few miracles to play for the national championship. There is such a huge bias against the Big Ten we could never overcome it with the schedule we play. At this point, there is nothing to play for other than winning every game and hope Iowa slips up so we can win the Big Ten. If not, then I just hope we go to a good bowl game and win to earn some pride going into next year.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wish I were you
Is this because you’ve come to terms with our place on the national stage? Maybe I’m too naive, but I can’t help but look at polls (no sex jokes please). Started back in 1994. Nebraska, Penn State, Colorado, back and forth, back and forth.
by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 18, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I can't help but look at polls"
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see what you did there!
Meadville, PA born and raised.
by mikeissurreal on Oct 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing here?
I can’t help but look at polls…back and forth, back and forth.
Context is fun.
by bconway6 on Oct 19, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's strange
I still check them out, but not for Penn State’s ranking – at this point, I couldn’t care less where we stand. But I’m curious to see how people perceive the other teams in college football. Unfortunately, it’s the same thing anymore – one big suck-fest, where people refuse to budge from their original perceptions of teams/conferences.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Oct 18, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it was true, but I didn't want to believe it
I was periodically tuning into the UF/Arky game on Saturday night, and at one point, cBS put up a graphic that, upon serious examination, was only created to stroke the egos of moronic SEC fans- They had a list of teams who ‘control their own destiny for the MNC game’.
First was the presumed undefeated SEC champion, either UF or ’Bama.
Second was an undefeated Texas.
Third was a one-loss SEC champion
Fourth was USC with one loss
Fifth was a one-loss Texas team
Sixth was an undefeated Cincinnati…
Yes, that’s right- Even if Iowa wins out, according to cBS, the Big East chamion is more deserving of a berth in the MNC game. I used to avoid watching football on cBS because of the sloppy tackling and lack of taunting/excessive celebration penalties. Now I can add ‘pandering to the audience’ to my list.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Oct 18, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by that graphic
At lesat it didn’t include a 2 loss ND
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Oct 18, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On ESPN
they just indicated that they hope they don’t have to deal with the situation of a 1 loss USC versus an undefeated Iowa because it would be patently unfair to USC. I wanted to throw something thru my TV.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Oct 18, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not “Rambler Iowa shillery” this is an educated thought/guess. Iowa’s D is as good as Ohio State, and Stanzi is probably better and Iowa’s run game is equal and so are their WRS. If Iowa played USC in front of a raucous crowd, I really don’t think they would have choked like OSU did.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add that to the fact that USC is not that good this year
and an undefeated Iowa could “upset” the “mighty” trojans
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 19, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
an undefeated Iowa is going to “upset” the Mighty Ducks!
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 19, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for USC being tired of the Rose Bowl
Enjoy the Sun Bowl, suckers.
by Aaron PSU on Oct 19, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry...
I need to clear this up. They didn’t mean playing eachother – they meant for a chance to play for MNC. That USC would be getting screwed if an undefeated Iowa got the nod. I love how everyone completely forgets about the fact that they lost to F’n WASHINGTON!
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Still Have Pride
I want us to be in the Top 10. It says something about where we are as a program. Even if we’re not at the top of the heap every year, you like to be able to see the light. But I get your point.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Oct 18, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Welcome to the not caring about the polls club, Mike. It’s personally refreshing to see you land with us.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just now
I stopped caring about polls last year when after the Iowa loss it was pretty apparent we were going to be at the back of the pecking order of all the one loss teams. I can’t stand any system where politics rules the day.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 19, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Politics? Seriously, huh? The statistical rankings are based on math from the 1700s, and logic that could be explained to a fifth grader and any football fan would agree with.
Now go and look at the differences between the statistical rankings and the polls. It’s pretty amazing how unbiased the polls actually are.
Take, for instance, last year’s final AP poll versus Colley’s final rankings:
AP #1: Florida Colley: #1
AP #2: Utah Colley: #3
AP #3: USC Colley: #4
AP #4: Texas Colley: #2
AP #5: Oklahoma Colley: #5
AP #6: Alabama Colley: #6
AP #7: TCU Colley: #11
AP #8: Penn State Colley: #8
AP #9: Ohio State Colley: #12
AP #10: Oregon Colley: #14
AP #11: Boise State Colley: #9
AP #12: Texas Tech Colley: #7
AP #13: Georgia Colley: #10
AP #14: Mississippi Colley: #19
AP #15: Va Tech Colley: #15
AP #16: Ok St Colley: #25
AP #17: Cincinnati Colley: #13
AP #18: Oregon St. Colley: #16
AP #19: Mizzou Colley: #18
AP #20: Iowa Colley: #32
AP #21: FSU Colley: #20
AP #22: Ga Tech Colley: #24
AP #23: WVU Colley: #27
AP #24: MSU Colley: #23
AP #25: BYU Colley: #26
Almost all of the rankings are within 2 or 3. Iowa is the worst, being ranked 12 above where Colley has them. The “most overrated” in the AP poll from last year, based on Colley:
Iowa
Oklahoma State
Mississippi
Most underrated:
Texas Tech
Cincinnati
Georgia
Is there a bias there? Doesn’t appear to be. If anything, there might be an “anti-preseason” bias: all 3 overrated teams were unranked at start of season, and 2 of the 3 underrated teams were ranked.
First, I don’t agree we were even at the back of the 1 loss teams. Texas Tech pretty clearly was. The other 1 loss teams were Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, Alabama, and USC. There was no politics involved there. The other teams had better resumes. Statistically, that’s not debatable.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 19, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stopped caring the second we lost to Iowa
since then they became meaningless to our season. And even before the loss, I barely cared about them, because they are not an indicator of how good a team really is (especially this early in the season). When one can basically look at the pre-season polls and say with really good probability that team A will finish ranked higher than team B (even if team B played better than team A), if both finish with the same record, just because of poll inertia… GRRR I just don’t care anymore. Rant over.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 19, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly enough, so did I...
once the clock went 0’s I knew our season was effectively over and that is a BS feeling. Losing to the fighting Ramblers Hawkeyes may not be the worst thing in the world to many in here (I am NOT part of the Iowa jockriders group FWIW) but I knew it was over for us in week 4 (going in ranked 5, no less!) and that just sucks. You can be USC, lose to UW and no one seems to care. Double standards… gag
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Soviet Iowa, jock rides YOU!!!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 19, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can be USC, lose to UW and no one seems to care.
… where “no one seems to care” translates into “go from being ranked #3 and having a first-place vote” to “drop 9 places to #12”. USC didn’t get hurt as much as we did because they still have a win vs a top 25 team.
They’re overrated right now because people aren’t sure how good OSU is. That’ll settle out as they play the rest of their games.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah... wait til the end of the year
and see how much people care about the UW loss. That’s what I was getting at. We lost once and it is effectively over. Them, not so much
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still don't agree
I guarantee at the end of the year you’re going to have people saying “they lost to the University of Washington!”
USC won’t be making a national championship game barring total meltdown of the rest of college football. No way. Even if the voters are delusional and ignore the UW loss, the pull down from the statistical rankings will keep them out. Add in the fact that their wins keep getting weaker and weaker, and like I said – no chance.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 20, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Sukay had managed to block Clayborn
And we were undefeated, I still would not care.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 19, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems we're right where we should be
when you play crappy SOS and then lose to someone in the conference, you should be in the teens. and i agree on the whole co-champs thing. it p!ssed me off to no end in 2005, living in OH, the buckeye fans friends that i have were braggin about being big10 champs. i had to PSU educate them. i just called them the 1st runner ups in a beauty pagent. not quite pretty enough to win the crown.
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
by amandakt on Oct 18, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I won’t have a real opinion on our rank until after this week’s game.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 18, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranking...
I don’t care about PSU’s rank. Bottom line, if PSU runs the table, they will probably play in a BCS bowl.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 19, 2009 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not "probably" - "will"
If PSU runs the table they’ll be the second-best Big Ten team and BCS eligible. This could not be a bigger “duh” for the bowls.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BB'nW taking no prisoners in this thread.
and I agree PSU 11-1 = BCS.
by bconway6 on Oct 19, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, right?
that dude is anti-playoff… you can smell it on ’em :)
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Oct 19, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stinking statisticians
They smell like cabbage. Wait, no, that’s carnies.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I’m anti-playoff because it won’t fix anything. I also think it’s a waste of time for fans. They should be yelling much, much louder for colleges to fix their athletic economic structure.
Seriously, if things keep going the way they’re going, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some athletic departments flat out collapse in 10 years or so.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 20, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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