Of Caution, Curley, And Comeuppance
This rambles, but here's a look at our snowy adventure to the game along with commentary about the scene at the game, the arrogance and entitlement of many, and the infinite wisdom (that's right) of Tim Curley.
The story of Saturday's journey from Harrisburg to Winnepeg to Happy Valley.
7:30 a.m. -- Rolled out of Harrisburg with wife and three guests from New Jersey. We had been harassing these people to come to a Penn State game for the past two years. They picked this weekend, which was intended to pair up the game on Saturday and Hersheypark In The Dark on Sunday. Due to the weather, going to the game was an early morning decision which made easier when Tailgate Shogun sent a text saying that the IMPENDING BLIZZARD OF DOOM predicted by AccuWeather had never materialized. (Note: our collective hats are off to the National Weather Service, which predicted no more than an additional inch of snow on Friday night and Saturday. As for Accuweather, this is what often happens when weather is forecasted for-profit. Hype, increased web traffic, and overblown events that never materialize. And if you're a closet weathergeek like myself, you know that AccuWeather pulls this crap all the time.)
8:30 a.m. -- Progressed quite well along 322 West. 40 degrees and drizzly. Light traffic. Floating along without a care in the world, as seen below:
9:00 a.m. -- The long, horrifying climb into the mountains of central Pennsylvania produces a few giant snowflakes, then a few more. Still, nothing terrible that required any sort of overly cautious driving.
9:02 a.m. -- Holy crap we're going to die, or be forced into cannibalism like that movie, "Alive". Roads turn awful as we get within 25 miles of State College. Cars struggling to remain on the road. Actual picture:
No, wait. Actual picture:
9:45 a.m. -- By the time we reach the top of Seven Mountains, it's a shitshow. Traffic crawls. On our descent into Happy Valley, no less than three big rigs heading in the other direction are stuck. Accidents in both directions tie up General Potter Highway between Boalsburg and the mountains -- we double back a half-mile to Route 144 and cruise into PSU unabated.
10:45 a.m. -- We roll into the Red lot next to the stadium and nobody is there. And okay, by "nobody", I mean that the lot is approximately 10% full. The whole scene was rather surreal, and I compared it to when a blizzard hits a city and there's just nothing but quiet in the place of usual chaos. Only there was no blizzard. A few occasional raindrops or snowflakes, but that's it. And the parking lots remained empty throughout the morning. One of our Jersey friends snapped this picture around noon, about three parking rows from the stadium:
Please note the vast areas of unoccupied pavement. This made our heated exchange with a guy we'll call Big Time Alumnus even more entertaining. BTA was angry because he arrived and found me parked in his numbered spot, next to the two other vehicles our tailgating group brought to the game. He stalked our group for approximately 10 minutes before making his move, angrily giving us the "Do You Know How Much I Pay For THIS Spot?" routine despite the fact that there were no less than 50 open parking spots within spitting distance of where we were standing. But he wanted his spot. We calmly explained to him that the rules of the day dictated that after 11:00 a.m., the parking lot was a free-for-all, and THERE ARE OPEN SPOTS EVERYWHERE, DUDE. Relax, shut up, park your car, and enjoy the fact that you made it to the game in one piece. But he wanted his spot, because he paid good money for it. Nobody's impressed with him otherwise, I guess. Big Time Alumnus, with his foot-stomping, smarmy attitude and old man, elastic waist acid-washed jeans, stormed off saying, "Oh yeah, well I'm going to get the tow truck!"
We never saw him again. Or the tow truck, which I'm sure had absolutely nothing better to do. However, I'm totally stopping by parking space #551 in the Red lot before the Ohio State game and asking that douche if he found the tow truck yet. The man was incorrigible, and I'm tempted to collect my dogs' poop for the next three weeks just to leave a present for him on the morning of November 7. I can drive with the windows open.
It was a great time once we got to the stadium. Tailgating was Spartan*, but still fun. Even by gametime, the lot wasn't close to being full. Either were the south end zone seats right before kickoff:
Tickets were available for $10 outside the stadium. Penn State listed the attendance at 107,981. I know that's based on how many tickets are sold, but if there were more than 65,000 inside that stadium at any point of the afternoon, I would be shocked. Even if you bought a ticket for Row 94 in section NEU, you could've made your way down to Joe Paterno's lap by the end of the first quarter.
I don't particularly want to get into the "where were the students?" debate, but...okay, where were they? It's one thing for people who were snowed in, especially in places like the Poconos and the mountains surrounding State College, but to the best of my knowledge, the vast majority of student season ticket holders are already in State College. This wasn't a noon start against Eastern Motors or Akron. It was a 3:30 game against a solid Big Ten opponent. And this isn't my inner, Future Big Time Alumnus coming out -- I know there are issues with the ticketing system and exchange and swine flu and space herpes and whatever the excuse is this week. But to keep referring to this group as the best student section in the country is a outright joke, an even bigger fabrication than the "Great Show" moniker that has been shoved down everyone's throat at Beaver Stadium. Just because Kirk Herbstreit said it once doesn't make it true forever.
I lost count of how many times I've written this, but the Penn State marketing people are still trying to ride the momentum of the 2005 Ohio State game. Memo to the bells and whistles folks in Happy Valley: The hyper-marketing campaign has created a gameday environment that is equal parts entitlement and complacency. 2005 is over. You still have a great product. Try selling that instead of constantly trying to double down on a completely weird, fantastic, and organic event that took place over four years ago. You can't fabricate that confluence of events and emotion on a weekly basis. The events of that night built up over years of losing and weeks of gradual redemption. You can't recreate it while also promulgating Paternoville by-laws, issuing "official" white-out shirts, and Zombie Nation remixes. Stop trying so hard. It's just sad and pathetic.
Besides, it's readily apparent that not even Penn State's own students believe it anymore. People are numb to the perpetual self-fluffing. Because of it, large swaths of students take the gameday experience for granted, coasting on the reputation that other people earned for them on a drizzly night in 2005. And the alumni aren't exempt from this, either, but the rest of the stadium takes its cues from the student section. Always has, always will. I hereby request that the university removes "Greatest Student Section In The Country" from the gates leading into the student sections and replaces that text with, "Reasonably Loud Group Of Students When The Game Starts At 3:30 Or Later, The Weather Is Perfect, We're Having A Really Good Season, And Ohio State Or Michigan Is In Town."
However, with respect to Tim Curley and his logistical team, they did a great job getting everything organized in such a short timeframe. When the decision was made to close the grass parking lots (a good call given the uncertain forecast on Friday and the storm damage that had already occurred in that area), they quickly enlisted the assistance of local businesses and CATA to put together a comprehensive shuttle system. The police and parking lot attendants were helpful. Most of the stadium was cleared of snow. Great performance by those folks. The athletic department published an open letter from Curley on Monday morning, and for as much as the athletic director gets dumped on by alumni and fans, he and his colleagues came through in a big way. That letter is pitch-perfect and worth reading, so gradulations to them. Even if their emergency policies scared off a lot of people and pissed off a few donors (who, again, could have parked practically anywhere in a near-barren lot) the university did what was best for all their fans, not just their wealthiest fans.
With all of this weekend's events finally in the books, what were your experiences? How were those shuttle buses? Any rational excuse for the student section? Were you able to tailgate after all? Pleased with how PSU handled the parking and weather situation?
* - This does not mean that we cooked a magnificent feast over the course of three hours and proceeded to knock over all the grills and fryers five minutes before we were to eat.
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And throwing snowballs at our own bench and recruits? Really, kids?
by Run Up The Score on Oct 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions
Some things never change
The students did the same thing in the Michigan snow bowl of 1995.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
seriously, that made me angert (not a typo)
other people throwing snowballs: OK
our own fans: annoying, but still somewhat acceptable
our own players, the Nittany Lion, the lionettes, opposing fan base, anyone/anything on the field really: not cool
I didn’t have to deal with the whole shuttling thing since I live so close, but from the sounds of it, I think they did a good job. I really think the only people who really wouldn’t be happy would be the selfish people like Big Time Alumnus. Please don’t be a Future Big Time Alumnus.
As for the fanbase. I think overall, we’re overestimating the amount of people that care like we do. It’s sad but, there is a large portion of fans who only care about the drinking and the tailgating, and hanging out with friends, and not about the game, and when it’s inconvenient to go, they don’t go. I don’t like it, but I think this is the biggest reason for the lack of attendance.
I also don’t think this is specific to our fan base. How poor would attendance be in SEC country be with the weather like ours was? It’d probably be much worse. Though I don’t think we deserve that best student section title right now either.
Honestly on here, there’s no point in condemning the student section here over and over again. The people here aren’t the people who wouldn’t go. They’re the people like I said before, aren’t there for the game/team. It’s an unfortunate, and sad truth of all fan bases. Note: I’m not excusing them, just trying to explain why I think it’s happening.
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 19, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in row M of section EC
And I got hit by FOUR massive slushballs. None of them hurt because there was too much water content for them to be packed hard. JoePa got hit by one too (or only very narrowly missed) and turned around glaring at the student section with a peeved look on his face (and rightfully so). Snowballs also hit the Minnesota ballboys multiple times, the chain gang, the line judge, and as previously mentioned, plenty of our own players, recruits, cheerleaders, dancers, and the list goes on and on. It was an utter disgrace.
At the end of the first quarter those of us in the bottom 20 or so rows of the senior section were BEGGING the referee to throw an unsportsmanlike conduct flag on Penn State, so that the morons further up in the student section would hopefully stop throwing snowballs. I’ve NEVER seen a group of fans plead with the ref for a penalty to be called on their own team. I have no idea how or why the officials never threw the flag, because it was totally deserved.
And by the way, where on earth was campus security or the ushers? The snowballs started when we went up 3-0 early in the 1st quarter, and not until well after the start of the 2nd quarter did they finally start ejecting people.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Oct 19, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for trying
I was waiting to see a flag and can’t believe the refs didn’t throw one.
"And by the way, where on earth was campus security or the ushers? The snowballs started when we went up 3-0 "
Hey at least you weren’t pelted with drinks like everyone used to be in my day. When PSU scored you used to have to look backwards to dodge half-full sodas getting rained down from above. I really hope that is done now as it was the most idiotic fan behavior I’ve ever seen.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Those were good days.
Those brightly colored soda cups were magnificent projectiles. Full drinks, however…bad times.
by Run Up The Score on Oct 20, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I got hit in the back of hte head/neck a few times
with full, or at least not empty water bottles with the caps on. Those friggen hurt., and made it suck when we scored because instead of celebrating my friends and I would have to look over each other’s backs to watch for flying projectiles. Good thing they don’t allow marshmallows anymore…that would suck getting hit by those instead of hard, heavy objects.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
mad bombers
I tried to rationalize how the student body of this fine institution could be so barbaric as to throw shit on people simply because they are below you and they can’t come and get you buy telling myself it was just random drunk friends and not the actual PSU students. Back in the 90s and early 00s when you could sell your student tickets to anyone and the real riff-raff would be out.
Speaking of riff-raff my buddies brother-in-law was hanging out for NFL Sunday and he went to pitt. I swear those idiots have a class on how to piss off PSU fans and it’s required for graduation. I know we are above it and pitt doesn’t matter, but I was kind of drunk and he just keeps going… This guys is an apparently otherwise intelligent professional yet he was actually using the “we beat iowa and they beat you” BS!! I couldn’t believe it! And just like on the internet, when you break out the "yeah we’ll we killed OrSU, how was the Sunbowl? And then they come back with “how was the Rose bowl?”
I like this guy but he almost got a pint glass bounced off his forehead. What’s with these people? Sorry for the rant, not addresses specifically to you RUTS, but I had to get it out.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
1) Pitt is irrelevant
They have to get their kicks somewhere.
2) They’re bitter because we dominated the rivalry for years and we’re now a better program. They need us, and we don’t need them.
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
1) and 2)
That’s exactly how I started the conversation, but it’s in one ear and out the other. Like the Iowa/OrSU stuff. How could you, with a straight face, make such a ridiculous argument? But it’s just to piss us off, it’s all they have. Pathetic. And the worst thing is that many are Steelers fans.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
In the Student Section?
That’s like Snake Plisken asking where the cops were in Escape from New York.
Beat Michigan.
by jesse. on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In my day it was marshmallows
They didn’t hurt, but it was a real pita when someone would dip them in mustard before throwing them. I’ll never understand the “throwing things” behavior.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
Marshmellows can hurt
they dry up and get heavy (this is difficult to word in a way that won’t get a TWSS)
I got pelted at a Buffett show once and they left marks
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
"I got pelted at a Buffett show once and they left marks"
TWSS
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 21, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It was otherworldly to see game shots outside and see white fields everywhere.
Kind of neat, but I prefer a sea of cars.
It was just...weird.
I don’t know how else to describe it, especially to our friends who had never been to a game before. It was like tailgating for a AA baseball game or something.
by Run Up The Score on Oct 19, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for sharing your experience...
As I am sure you heard, Millen and Sean McD ripped the students for not being there during the telecast.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 19, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
Whoa! Product from RUTS!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I preferred the image of FBTA to self-fluffing, but otherwise really enjoyed reading your writing, as I always do.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
You should move West
My Story: Left Pittsburgh area at 1PM. Yes 1PM. Clear sailing to Altoona. North on I-99, for a stop at Clem’s BBQ in Bellwood. A little snow there. Back on I-99 and I start seeing a decent amount of accumulated snow about 10 miles outside State College. Roads are no problem Go in on Atherton and catch the shuttle at Target. Dropped off, trekked to my seats (Row 70) 2 minutes into the game.
As an added benefit, if you move West you can root for the Steelers instead of the Eagles. Get on the bandwagon now so you can be there for number 7.
I thought the student section was a disgrace. If you are going to chuck snowballs at one another that is fine. If you are going to chuck them onto the field that is Mich-ish.
"I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! I invented the piano key necktie, I invented it!" - Mugatu
What? And miss out on inexplicable losses to the Raiders and ties against the Bengals?
Never!
by Run Up The Score on Oct 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this kind of Eagle fan
We can work together.
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 19, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
You lost to the Raiders? Seriously??
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 19, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
The Phils (who are losing right now), outscored the Eagles 11-9 yesterday.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
That is...
That is…quite awful. Quite awful indeed.
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
By far the best description of the student section/gameday atmopshere situation I’ve read. . . well done.
Student Section Compromise
You’ll never convince me of anything other than the students need to sack up and get to these games on time.
But here is what I’m willing to suggest, although I don’t like it personally.
Students should be able to sell single game tickets to members of the Penn State Alumni Association with the same ground rules and restrictions that they can sell to other students.
Beat Michigan.
there has to be a way to make sure students get first dibs on the tickets, though
perhaps being able to sell to other students at any time, but then if you are unable to sell, then you can “sell” the back to the ticket office, which would make them available on gameday only to people who show up at the ticket office, in order to sell out.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I say,
automatic expulsions for any student who misses two games for which they have tickets. That’ll teach ‘em. And that will make every game day atmosphere magical again.
Or, students can do what they want with the tickets they have. No one will call them the best student section if this continues. So be it. If your game day experience hinges on the decision making and behavior of drunk 19 year olds, well, that’s an uphill climb.
Excellent writing. Especially liked:
1. The Price is Right graphics
2. old man, elastic waist acid-washed jeans
3. “Reasonably Loud Group Of Students When The Game Starts At 3:30 Or Later, The Weather Is Perfect, We’re Having A Really Good Season, And Ohio State Or Michigan Is In Town.”
I agree with everything you said about the big show stuff. Also 7 Mountains is a bear no matter the weather.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
I am a student currently and was in row 8 for the game. I truely believe that the new ticket system is screwing everything up. Trying to get a student section for my cousin required a 45 minute wait at the bjc ticket office and $85. That’s just crazy. For the past three years excluding the bigger games I would never pay more than 50 for a ticket like this. The student section hasn’t been this empty in the previous three years and the only thing that has changed is the new ticket system so its pretty fair to think its having an effect.
by mjs2103 on Oct 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I SAID "GET OFF MY LAWN".
I don’t doubt that the system sucks and either needs to be scrapped or completely overhauled.
Why was it $85?
by Run Up The Score on Oct 19, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Univeristy takes a 30 “non student fee” (I have a problem with that too but that’s been in effect since I’ve been a student so its a non point) and now since there is a price floor on tickets the price of a ticket has actually increased. Last year I could easily found a ticket for $20 for a game like this. Also I think part of the problem is that thursday at 5 is the last opportunity to buy guest tickets so if someone decides to come up on a friday they are SOL. And the system is pretty screwy itself with some weird glitches I’ve heard about.
by mjs2103 on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's designed
So that a non-student must pay, at a minimum, the same amount as a regularly priced ticket in the stadium.
What it does is elimiate people from saying it’s stupid to pay full retail value for the ticket from the University because I can buy a ticket for x% below face value and sit in the student section.
Like it or not, that’s the rationalle
Beat Michigan.
$85? Are you Serial?
When I went to school I paid like $11 for a ticket. I think by my senior year it went up to $16. Is it really $85 a ticket now?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Someone mentioned all of the inexplicable "transfer fees"
Students feel like they’re being asked to pay twice for the same ticket, rather than it being a fair system of transfer. It’s not like you walk up, scan your ID, hit transfer, scan another ID, and walk into the stadium.
A regular student ticket transfered to you
costs $30, which from what I gather is face, plus a 5% fee. That’s really not that bad. Even if it’s $50+fee (which I guess is possible), that’s still right around face for every single other ticket in the stadium.
All of this is avoided by buying the student ticket package and using it. Student tickets are discounted for a reason, and on the whole, prices WAY below market value.
That extra “non-student fee” was around before this new ticket system and existed in 2005 when we weren’t having these discussions.
BSD
yes, but it was also easier to get around that fee back then
since the ticket was still a ticket, and not tied to an ID
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s how much my guest student ticket cost.
by mjs2103 on Oct 19, 2009 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is no way I’m missing a game. I’ve been to every home game since I’ve been a student, outback bowl, rose bowl, ohio state and michigan this coming week. I like to rag on the ticket system but I know there are students out there who decided to skip the game and just stay in and I’m not really sure how they can. Its really pitiful what the student section looked like.
by mjs2103 on Oct 19, 2009 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but a loaf of bread was 25 cents then
I think I remember getting my 1987 freshman year season ticket for like $30 or $40 dollars.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
Ahem.......
My freshman student season ticket cost a grand total of $22, or $3.67 a game.
Of course, my era was barely post-paleozoic: 1974.
Even though I wandered it for over 4 years, I honestly don’t recognize 90% of the campus.
My point? Don’t have one. Per usual.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Oct 19, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Graduated in 1974 and still awake at 7:45? Impressive
j/k
I agree with the unrecognizable campus. The biggest change to me was the buildings in Lot 80 by East Halls (aka the tundra).
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
yeah, I graduated in 2002/3
and I barely recognize half of the campus anymore
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The Students
I hate to dump on them so much, but it really is pretty pathetic. You’re always going to have a few empty rows at the top against the Temples and Akrons. But not against a conference opponent. At least we didn’t back in my day in the 90’s.
I’m tired of the excuses. Don’t blame the ticket system. We’re midway through the season now. You know how the system works. No excuses.
If they don’t want to show up that’s fine. But the university has to stop marketing them as “The Greatest Student Section In The Country” because they’re not. The GSSITC would have got out of bed, bundled up in some warm clothes, and walked across campus to watch their team instead of staying home and watching the game on television.
At this point I’m in favor of the university taking 5000 of those seats at the top of the stadium and selling them as general admission seats. I’d rather see them fill up than go wasted like that.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Only problem:
Unless it’s The Big Game of The Year, general admission seats go empty, too. LOTS of them.
by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 19, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
see pic above...
lets not pretend its JUST the students that weren’t at this game. Yes, its easier to get to the game if you’re a student, but you still have to sit/stand outside in the conditions for 4 hours. Many people decided catching the game on TV was a better alternative.
Yeah but all the students have to do is walk onto campus...its different than driving 2+ hours
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO
Unless they're coming from a branch campus
I had season tickets my freshman year at Delaware County branch, and made it up for every game except one. I would guess there’s at least 2000 students from the branches who travel up to go to the games. And I don’t blame them for not risking driving up for the game when the forecast is calling for 6 inches of snow. It’s not a question of their dedication to PSU, it’s a safety issue.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 19, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Giving branch campus studnets tickets to the games is an outrage
At most they should get a package of 3 games. This way it will stop them from getting the tickets, selling a couple of games to make money, not showing up for the other games and then having the student section looking bad on TV like this past weekend.
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
That is so stupid...they get the same diploma as you psupride.
We (all) Are…
Trust me, the branch campus people didn’t make the student section look weak, everyone is to blame. Upark and branch peeps.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO
Sorry I must have missed the email
that detailed what students did or did not show up for the game. The fact of the matter is that it is significantly more difficult to make it to games from a branch campus and the missing students were likely from there.
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
Also, just as another counterpoint to play Devil's advocate
(I’m not trying to make excuses for the students failing to show up, just making a few points)
not all the students are within reasonable walking distance to the stadium who are at UPark. They might have to drive to the stadium, which with the chaos that it appeared to be with the lots being closed, and normal football traffic, it could have deterred them (I don’t know of any, but I’m sure there are some)
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 19, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the problem
This is the student section that claims to be “The Greatest Student Section In The Country” because they’re crazy and loud and get all upset when the University shuts down Paternoville because it’s a little cold outside.
But then after they don’t show up I hear all kinds of excuses about ticket prices and the exchange system and driving through bad weather from branch campuses.
They can’t have it both ways.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 20, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
There are 2 different 'student sections'
There are the hard core student fans, you know the kind, they dissect the depth chart each week, are addicted to blogs peruse available internet information, and see nothing wrong with camping out when the OMG BLIZZARD OF THE CENURYWEEK is upon us. These are the ones that established and perpetuate Paternoville, DON’T throw snoballs on the field, didn’t turn the OSU game in ’07 into the pom-pom blizzard of 2007.
Then, there are the rest of the student section. The ones that drink too much tailgating and then never make it to the game, decide its too miserable to be outside for 4 hours, think they should not take the risk in getting sick because of an exam or whatever reason they have.
There are 22,000 student ticket holders, thats a lot of people. To say “they cant have it both ways” assumes its the same people complaining that Paternoville was shut down and then didn’t show up to the game. I doubt that those who were going to camp out in the snow, were the ones that decided to stay home and catch the game on TV. Its the more casual fan, who later will be the casual alumni that instead of just not going, would have sold or given away their tickets.
Dude - they can take the loop.
Also – I used to walk 25-40 mins from West College Ave to parties on the weekend…in the winter in search of booze/strange.
The students need to sack up and show up.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO
by SweepTheLeg on Oct 20, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon dude.
Strange used to come find you. You never went to look for it.
by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 20, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
True dat TS. Like your wife's asian roommate...my first taste of the orient!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO
"West College Ave to parties on the weekend…in the winter in search of booze/strange."
ah yes, all the cute hippy chicks lived in West College.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
The most comfortable part of Saturday would have been the 2 hr drive.
Theres still the matter of being outside for 4 hours in 40 degree rain/snow that was predicted.
Look, If anyone here either went or would have gone if they could, its the more casual fan thats going to stay home, not see the forecast to know there was going to be snow and get their ticket to someone who wanted to use it before end of business Thursday.
Student section
I’m a 5th year senior and I’m pretty embarassed by the student section this season. On Saturday, I wasn’t too keen on being hit by flying snowballs, but I’d rather you hit me than the lion, the cheerleaders, the refs, the Minnesota players…you see where this is going. And on top of that, no one showed up!
And I agree about the “Great Show” comments. 2005 Ohio State was an incredible atmosphere, but all of the tye-dyed jersey/ favorite branch campus hat days aren’t going to recreate that. The students just need to get in gear, show up, and cheer on their team for better or for worse.
And the ticket exchange is awful.
by fortheglory09 on Oct 19, 2009 4:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Throwing snowballs at anyone but each other in the student section was really stupid
Most of the snowballs aimed at the dancers endzone ref, or the lion came from the freshman, who, as anyone who was a freshman knows, are stupid for the most part. It was fun for a while (I did get pelted twice in the back of the head, but luckily I had a hood on my jacket and prepared for impact), but as is with most things, it escalated and got out of hand. I did not take part.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 19, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Picture of the parking lot
Looks like any other home game to me. Any time I walk through that lot I swear it’s only 50% full. I swear the only people who buy those spots are the ones who want to show up 10 minutes before kickoff and just go right into the game.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
BTA types you mean?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Oh, and God Bless Rt. 144
That is the best kept secret in all of Centre County.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Where's Rambler?
This post has been up for an hour and a half and no Rambler? Can someone go check on him?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
that's true..
I’m starting to get worried, the cold might be effecting his CPU
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 19, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's at 'his dad's'
It’s a prison euphemism.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
He's at 'his dad's'
It’s a prison euphemism.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
What euphemisms do you use instead of "watching da game with Uncle Charlie from Indiana"?
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 19, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you blind?
I posted three times above.
This reeks of laziness, Mike.
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 19, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Also a current student....
and from week two my friends and I have said that our student section sucks. Not showing up and throwing snowballs were just more icing on the cake.
Let's Go State
student tickets
I have said this before in another thread, but ill say it again. I don’t think that students are necessarily getting more apathetic, I think that the new ticket system has just exposed the true nature of the student ticket market. I would bet that if we had this ticket system the last five years it would have generated the same results as we are currently getting, and if we didn’t have the system this year we would have similar results to the last few years. I am a junior and I have only gotten the student ticket package one time, however the two years that i didn’t have tickets I still made it to every game. Getting tickets used to be easy, people use to sell you their tickets for 20 bucks or so on game day or a few days before. Now students are being forced to decide whether they are going or not by Thursday, students do not plan anything ahead of time, yes it’s lazy, but it is what it is. I haven’t got a student ticket yet this year because it is far easier and cheaper to scalp a general admission ticket. I did go over to the student section and sit there for a few games. The other reason I get general admission tickets is because I can then bring friends to the game, which is just unreasonable to do with student tickets.
I have suggested a fix for the student ticket problem. Since the new tickets are based on your ID, it would be easy to see who is going to the game and who is not. So they should implement a 2 strike policy, if a student who has a ticket misses more than one game they should lose their ticket buying priveleges in the future. this would get students to get rid of their tickets if they are not going, and it would bring the price down for us students that want to buy them.
by scotty2hotty89 on Oct 19, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i think the student ticket thing is a total mess. I might just not be understanding it but if i go to the student ticket exchange for Indiana the cheapest ticket is $69. Face value of a student ticket is not that much. How does the school get around what looks like scalping tickets?
We're quickly forgetting the whole point of the system
and that’s that the packages were selling out in minutes to kids who had no intention of using them. Packages went up on ebay a day later for 5-8 times the price and were being purchased.
Ohio State student tickets were selling for $200, but more importantly there were good fans fully willing to buy packages but couldn’t because demand is high for free money, which is what the old system allowed.
Now students who want packages and want to use them can get them, and people who decide not to get the packages have to pay a little more for the “average” games and much much less for the blockbusters.
I agree there is probably a more efficient way to move the tickets for non-Ohio State games, but the principal of the new system is sound IMO.
BSD
In theory I’m all for the new ticket system except there is a huge way to get around it, transferring tickets. A student can transfer up to I think 4 tickets. They did this so people could give their friend a ticket if they weren’t going to be in town for the game. But basically its being used to scalp the big game tickets over top of the psu system. So now they are selling the crap games for $50 and selling the “big” games on craigslist for absurd prices. For iowa and ohio state there are 0 listed tickets up on the student ticket exchange because they are all being sold on craigslist. The ticket exchange is a good idea but too many holes.
by mjs2103 on Oct 19, 2009 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think a 1 or 2 strike system would work just as good (or better) for buying student ticket packages
like if you buy a season package, and that year you miss more than 1 or 2 games, then you don’t get the option to buy season tickets the following year until after everyone who made it to every game had the option. Or perhaps (by tracking the IDs) they see who missed 0 games, they get to buy on day 1. People who missed 1 game get to buy on day 2, miss 2 games buy on day 3, etc.
Seems fair to me, and I think would be a really good way of weeding out people who aren’t actually interested in attending the games.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Now students are being forced to decide whether they are going or not by Thursday, students do not plan anything ahead of time, yes it’s lazy, but it is what it is
Please explain (I am not being sarcastic, or ironic), because I really don’t understand (as I said before I didn’t get to go to PSU). I would think students would pretty much pencil these in at the begining of the year, not that they would decide on a week by week basis. Is the apathy really that bad?
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Many of the people I knew that went to games last year decided the day of, unless its a major opponent in their eyes (ie. Ohio State and Michigan). The tickets were easily scalp-able, and easily given away if you had tickets you didn’t want to use.
I do believe the ticket system deserves much of the blame for the students attendance this year.
thats my point
students don,t pencil in these dates, they wait to the last minute to see if they want to go, and if they don’t then nothing happens with the ticket and the seat remains empty. In the past when they decided they didn’t want to go, they could always find someone to buy the ticket or just give it away. The new ticket system in an attempt to stop students from buying tickets to make a profit off of has actually bottle necked the transferring of tickets. so to answer your question yes the apathy really is that bad among the ticket holders, but not the student body as a whole. there are enough students that want to go to the game to fill the student section, the trick is getting them the tickets.
by scotty2hotty89 on Oct 19, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
they do a similar policy with the Izzone (MSU student basketball) tickets
they split the student section into lower bowl (court side) and upper bowl (nosebleed) seats. In order to qualify for lower bowl, you have to have had season tickets for a year already, and not missed more than 2 games (there are more games in basketball, so for football this should be 1 game missed ,max). Then you have to camp out during a weekend in the fall (for football perhaps it should be spring) in order to qualify for the lower bowl seats.
I’d bet there could be a similar setup, at least for the prime seats in the football student section, and it would definitely make people think twice about missing a game if it means that the next year they would be sitting up in the upper sections.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SPARTY NO!!!
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
the snowball fight
was pretty amusing in the beginning. i lost all respect for them when people were throwing snowballs at the the lion when he was doing the “thriller” bit.
a complete disgrace.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
Does Thriller happen at every game?
I saw it a few years ago near Halloween (Purdue 2005?) and it was pretty cool being Halloween and all. But too much of something…well, Guido must have something to do with it.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
I think just the last home game prior to Halloween
but it has been every year since I think 2005
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, and I also wish they would just vary it up
Thriller, while the best “horror” type song, isn’t the only one. Hell, do the Monster Mash or something.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m wondering if the “Great Show” crap killed the student section- we started selling the experience of the student section and whatnot, which does two things: one, draws people who are there to spectate the crowd and “be a part of something” without realizing that the ‘05 OSU (and the Nebraska game before it) were games where the crowd wanted to be part of the game, not part of the experience. Two, it makes the student section something non-organic- it is now inherently “theirs”. You take something that ran from the ground up with students and make it a part of the machine, and students will lose interest. And with the Great Show idiots down on the field, it’s pretty plain to see that being a part of the student section seems like being a part of a big marketing ploy.
That aside, I’m wondering if the normal people who buy tickets only to sell them have been sitting on tickets all year because they thought they could make a profit, and it’s a lot harder now with the new system. Or if there’s just a ton of branch campus kids. Or maybe ZOMG WE CANT WIN THE BIG TEN has set in. No clue.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 19, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
Hey, let's all turn on each other
And dawg each other out. Everybody does.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
We should send Mr Big Time Alumni a big bag of crap from the BSD peeps
I know my boy can produce some monster loads.
Red lot #551 correct?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO
If I feed my 2 Labs
spicy Mexican food for the week prior, I could have a Hefty bag full o’ hideously gruesome ’manure by tOSU gametime.
Red Lot #551, eh?
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Oct 19, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's either 550 or 551.
And I’m 95% sure it’s 551. I mean, NO, DO NOT FILL RED LOT #551 WITH DOG SHIT THANK YOU.
by Run Up The Score on Oct 19, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
NO, DO NOT FILL RED LOT #551 WITH DOG SHIT THANK YOU.
MISTER PATERNO HAS INFILTRATED THE BLOGONAUTS
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 19, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...don't fill spot 551 with crap.
We should just stand there and Boo him for hours.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO
RUTS if you do leave a bag of shit for BTA
please take a picture so the rest of us can laugh like middle school pranksters
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 19, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel better
I’m quite sure I threw-up an early morning concoction of Jim Beam and crab dip on the painted line between spots 550 and 551. But, that was like pre-internets tOSU game 1995.
Call it a preemptive strike if you will.
Of course I'm home. I'm always home. I'm uncool.
by WestPointLion on Oct 20, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I liked RUTS' lead photo
Looks like poor Randy is having a good old time shoveling Beaver Stadium…. all by himself! Just looks kind of funny! I would have thought there would be a picture with hundreds of people clearing it out. Maybe poor Randy didn’ hear the break whistle.
Seems the team has some experience in clearing the stadium of debries, so they possibly could have helped. Maybe JoePa missed a chance to send a message to the guys (you listening Zordich!) with the recent brain farts .
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Is it not possible that the same factors that led to a poor alumni turnout also affected the students? Snow, freezing cold and a mediocre (at best) opponent for the 5th out of 6 home games? I understand that we don’t have a choice in playing Minnesota but I find myself somewhat less enthused by week after week of patsy games. Isn’t it true that many student tickets go to students that don’t live in State college anyway?
I trucked my ass up to State College in the poor weather and enjoyed the game. I was also plenty pissed at the snow ball throwing at the refs, Lion, opposing team etc but I think its overblowing the situation a tad to think this wouldn’t happen anywhere given the circumstances. Given that tickets were being given away for free before the game from scalpers (and still didn’t have takers), if we’re going to criticize,shouldn’t we also blame alumni for not showing up? Just sayin.
Maybe
If Penn State marketed the alumni as “The Greatest Alumni Section In The Country” you might have a point.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 20, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe the governor didn't get involved
and send some healthy, strong, well-fed labor over from the state penn. They could of shoveled the snow in no time and given back to the communitys from which they took(b/c I’m sure the weather didn’t stop them from doing their dirt), demonstrate tax dollars at work, get fresh air and maybe some cocoa, the students see where anti-social behavior leads, the snowball fight might of been prevented and after all, wasn’t this the governor’s trophy or something. What a chance to be involved in a media event and put a positive spin on it while giving something back to a university that puts billions into the state economy. It was a win-win. I’ll just stop here.
According to the CDT on Saturday:
Penn State tried to get the State Penn to help clear the stadium of snow, but there simply wasn’t enough time for all the paperwork to get processed to allow that to happen.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Oct 20, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The State Penn
That’s what they did during the big snow before the ’95 Michigan game.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
You're from Penn State
I’m from the state pen.
I’m afromotherp*((&(&(ing M. A. N.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I met a girl in Altoona
Man, that girl was….
Oh, I can’t finish it.
"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr
by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Rambler
prolly could.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
They mentioned the same thing on the broadcast
Don’t remember if they talked about not having enough time to get the paperwork done, but they definitely mentioned that they tried to get the State Penn to help.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Park Forest was terrible
weekend lodging was inhabitable – no power and falling trees – had to find a place to stay Friday night – ended up in Lamar. Lucked out and got a room at the Penn Stater for Saturday. Tree surgeon came out on Sat and power finally came on some time Monday am. Oddest PSU weekend ever.

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