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Fear This: Tate Forcier

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Born, silver Heisman in hand.  Tate Forcier isn't a big dude.  But don't take my word for it, his website qbforce.com has your details:

Tate Forcier was the smallest and the slowest athlete of the three Forcier brothers but always had a bit stronger of an arm and always looking down field to pass first then run.

And he's historic:

He enrolled at Scripps Ranch High School, San Diego, California. The rest is history.

Which is a nice trait.  He got his nickname, Tate, from a movie about a 7-year-old child prodigy directed by Jodie Foster (I know it's true because I read it on Wiki):

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He spent most of his teenage years visiting his football-playing brothers at college, transferring between high schools, and throwing touchdowns.

Forcier was more or less the perfect fit for a Michigan team in desperate need of some immediate modest success.  Michigan lost Newsome, a raw talent with great speed and unpolished skills, for a California blue-blood who was raised by nanny/ex-NFL QB coaches from the age of 4 (or so the historic tales tell). 

Star-divide

He came in prepared for college ball and it shows.  Michigan sacrifices some room on the "potential" scale, but that's not as big of a deal when your freshman QB is already at the level Forcier is playing at.  

You may remember me from such nature films as Earwigs: Eww! and Man vs. Nature: The Road to Victory.  If there's one thing Michigan fans are good at it's recording every single second of everything that's ever happened to their football team and editing it for the web. 

If RichRod ever bolts to implement the read-option in the NFL after a fallout with the UM AD, you can bet your ass there will be a YouTube paper-shredding clip on MGoBlog the morning of.

I don't really feel like putting propaganda on this site from the Mitten State with titles like "The A-maize-ing Tate Forcier" and "Tate Forcier: Weapon of Choice", but there are your links and here's a hockey fight between Tim Leveque Vs. Dominic "The Giant" Forcier:

 

 

Goods are at 2:11.

Personality Check. 

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The Penn State Extrapolation.  Forcier is an interesting case because there hasn't been a recent Big Ten quarterback much like him.  He can run, but not quite like Good Juice, a guy Penn State has done well against for three years now (even in the '07 loss: 5.0 ypa passing, 0 TDs, 2 Ints, 37 yards rushing).  Ditto for Pryor last year.

But Forcier isn't really that kind of quarterback because he can throw much more consistently than those guys.  The weird thing is Forcier, despite being a passer, isn't a big fan of the pocket.  While I haven't seen all his snaps (or, really, half of them), he seems to exit the pocket at random and loves to throw rolling to his right.  Keeping him in the pocket might actually hurt his passing, and Penn State might have the front seven to do it.

Fear This?  My official answer is "not enough data to compute," but I think that bodes better for Penn State than Michigan.  His moxie against Notre Dame, Indiana and Michigan State were just what the doctor ordered for a team that was so QB-deprived last year, but the honeymoon ended quickly against Iowa: a horrible 4.95 ypa average and 0/1 ratio...that's a 35.9 QB rating.

His completion percentage had been more or less declining since Notre Dame.  He has been at the center of dramatic scenes, but also has a pick against every BCS program on the schedule.

But Forcier is dangerous because he can sometimes turn it on, and if we see offensive dilly-dally again on offense like we have against Illinois and Minnesota, he'll be in a position at the end of the game to do what he's done 3 times already this season.  An objective man wouldn't be overly concerned, but the (pre-2009) Juice-like swings of this kid, combined with the fact that it is at Michigan, certainly should make you concerned.

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Dilly dally

That is the perfect word to describe what the offense can’t afford to do on Saturday. They also refrain from doing diddly poo on offense.

by speedomike on Oct 20, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love you, Jim Mora

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Toosu_tSE

To beat Michigan, you must contain Minor reasonably well, get them in passing downs, and then keep Little Man Forcier in the pocket. Cliche, but true.

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But does he scare Sean Lee?

Or Navorro Bowman or Josh Hull?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hull? Maybe. He did get run over last year, if memory serves me correct

Bowman? I don’t think so.

Sean Lee? Sean Lee fears no one but his equal: an angry mother grizzly bear.

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angry mother grizzly bear...

And even then he doesn’t actually “fear” her but he “respects” her.

by yopawdre on Oct 20, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you scroll

up and down real quick, Tater prances like a little fairy monkey right there on your monitor.

Tragic picture.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Oct 20, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

werd

It’s downright sad when the one word you might use to describe a hockey fight is ‘uneventful.’

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

like the way they built it up

with a guy walking on a treadmill (wtf?) while recounting his epic fight with a guy he says should be in the Guiness Book of World Records for being such a big hockey player, where his first punch may be your last. And then the fight happens, the big lug drops to the ground almost instantly, and then has no leverage. Wooo…

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been to Scripps Ranch High School's football field.

FieldTurf FTOS 1S V.1 field without a pad. 2 years old. Nothing historic about it.

by Cairo on Oct 20, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who would invest the money

for a FieldTurf FTOS 1S V.1 field and not spring for the pad.

Not a time to be cheap my friends. Not a time to be cheap.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Oct 20, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Ur on a bit of a roll today rah. Did you take a witty pill this morning.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About Michigan

Their current offense is made up of a bunch of guys that are good but not great players. If we let these guys move the ball on us I’m going to be really p-ssed because to a man our D is stronger than their O!

by RNF18 on Oct 20, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

change of speed

I’ve watched Michigan play a number of times this year and I’ve been overall impressed by Tate Forcier, but you can tell he’s still a young qb, so he looks brilliant one minute and like a complete turd the next.

RichRod made a great call in the Iowa game to put the backup qb Denard Robinson in the game cold in the fourth quarter—he then made a tragic mistake by sticking with him in the final drive.

I think we could get burned by Michigan’s qbs in one of two ways: Forcier plays out of his mind the whole game and eats us up OR RichRod moves between Forcier and Robinson constantly, Michigan’s scheme changes frequently and we never really catch up.

I’m not so worried about the first route: LittleMan is still too little to perform really well for 60 minutes. But I’m definitely worried about Denard Robinson in tandem with Forcier.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Oct 20, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Robinson = wildcat. When he’s in, it’s a run 94% of the time. Unless he’s in because Tater has STB.
Tater = Yea he has IT, but he has IT only some of the time. If we can key in on him and get him off rhythm early, we will have a much easier time.

by PSUJunny05 on Oct 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shoelace

I’m more worried about Shoelace coming in and burning us with 4.3 speed. Hell, Ryan “feet of bricks” Mallet had a 20 yard rushing TD against us last time we were in the Big House…

Robinson is like Arm Punt…can’t throw a lick.

"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden

by QBsneak12 on Oct 20, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its all about having a spy...

when we’ve faced mobile QBs in the past, we’ve dialed up a DB to spy on that QB. I think you keep that spy on the position no matter who’s under center. Between the speed of Bowman, Wallace, Lynn, Morris and Timmons…I think were OK as long as Bradley sticks with something and lets the defense dig in.

I can’t see us NOT squandering some big plays, but I think this is a case where we have to live with BBDS.

by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Spy

I think you’re going to see a LB spy Forcier on every passing down rather than blitz. He likes to get outside the pocket. As soon as he does that the LB will attack and either drop him, force him to throw it away, or force him into one of his freshman QB moments where he throws it up for grabs.

by BSD on Oct 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like either, but I'd feel more comfortable with an LB spying.

Our front seven is nasty. Ergo, our front six is nasty. Hell, we can put the Stache on Tate and let Lee, Bowman, and Hull monitor/destroy the rest of the field.

by PSUJunny05 on Oct 20, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer We Will Always Share Tempe's name:

Milicic in Cleats

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's a can of worms I don't want to open.

I actually had that “worst #2 pick” ever debate this past weekend while in Detroit.

And why would someone WANT to open a can of worms?

by PSUJunny05 on Oct 20, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

I can’t stand it if everyone gets all literal here.

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they spy with Bowman...

He has the speed to chase Forcier down. Hull is too slow and I don’t know if Lee trusts his knee yet.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

concur

This would be most sound.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Lee were 100%...

I would use Lee to spy him. He plays smarter than Bowman. Bowman, at times, is too aggressive.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 20, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

concur

and agree.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DE "contain" plays into this

I know Carolinaeasy draws-up the post game, since it’s his schtick, but it would be sweet if he did a “pre-game” on some key D assignments for this discussion.

/ " calling Southkack-a-lack… "

"...Drink'n Blue Kool - Aid; One Sip @ a Time..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 20, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has the speed to chase Forcier down

and the power to keep him down permanently!!

by RNF18 on Oct 20, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, Sukay has that power

Forcier’s what, 180? Everytime Iowa hit him I thought he might snap in half.

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Colin Wagner has the power to knock him out if we're being honest

but I’d just like to see Bowman get a full head of steam and a clean shot.

by RNF18 on Oct 20, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DECAPITATE ALL QUARTERBACKS

Never get tired of that pic. They were probably 2 feet off the ground at one point.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Oct 20, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's exactly what I envisioned

That was one of the hardest hits I saw live, probably next to MRob’s hit on the Minny Safety.

by RNF18 on Oct 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lavarro's hit on the Minny RB Bennett this past weekend...

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 21, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Shoelace the guy who doesn't tie his shoes?

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Oct 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

Denard Robinson, their backup QB

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he uses velcro

that is a bitch move…the magic is totes lost on me now

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Oct 20, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait ... what?

Velcro? Really? Is he wearing ’Roo cleats with the zipper on the side?

I guess it’s just another reason to hate Deerfield Beach (the next town just south of me).

by The Mess on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Common opponent - Iowa

PSU sucked .. home game, 7 – 0 after 1 PSU play – then absofreaking nothing. – safety, punt blocked … nice

Michigan sucked – away game, Tate sucked – but U of M ran the ball all over the vaunted Iowa defense (3 rushing TDs).

Iowa’s defense better than PSU …. Probably

Michigan offense better than PSU offense – probably

PSU defense better than Michigan – probably

Better hope DC’s missed throws are not high (like most of the time !)

Michigan’s has better athletes than Iowa – you can count on that !

by Indiana Blue on Oct 20, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is the point of this post?

BSD

by Kevin HD on Oct 20, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michigan’s has better athletes than Iowa – you can count on that !

This is classic statement that is always stated about Iowa. It’s also false. Iowa has two good tight ends (which GERG learned the hard way, right?), two good runningbacks, a deep WR corps, some of the best d-linemen in the conference, and a corner that will probably be drafted on the first day if he goes pro.

Michigan offense better than PSU offense – probably

If our offensive line plays OK, you will not be saying that. Penn State is more talented at every other position with the possible exception of RB.

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ORLY?

If Michigan’s athletes are so great, why did they lose?

And Michigan’s offense better than PSU’s? Maybe if Tate is worth 30 points, cuz last year I remember the final score being 46-17.

I’m not so sure I would say Iowa’s defense is better than Penn State’s. PSU shut down the Iowa offense pretty well.

by BSD on Oct 20, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's pretty close

But I’ll put our defense up against anyone’s any day.

by BSD on Oct 20, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

The key being that Lee and Bowman are both playing.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Oct 20, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Clayborn’s balls are really big.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Maybe I’m the one who was stalking him? Never know…

"[angry frown]" - Lloyd Carr

by ReadingRambler on Oct 20, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved the line

about Clayborn noticing Angry noticing them.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the Love of God

I hope that Penn State reignites Forcier’s concussion as a result of this post (I don’t usually wish harm upon people). I’ll let the final score of the Iowa game speak for itself regarding the athletes line.

Best of luck to all of you in the game against Michigan this weekend, I’m hoping for a good win at the Big House by Penn State.

They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!

by recoveringfratguy on Oct 20, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's actually look at this...

PSU v Iowa
3rd down—-P 9/19 I 4/14
total yds—-P 307 I 298
passing—-P 198 I 135
rushing—-P 109 I 163
turnovers-P 4 I 5

scUM v Iowa
3rd down—-M 3/11 I 8/18
total yds—-P 319 I 367
passing—-P 124 I 284
rushing—-P 195 I 195
turnovers-P 5 I 1

So, what does this say? Essentially on offense, PSU and scUM are pretty much the same. We throw better, they run slightly better.

However, on defense, we were able to keep Iowa to 70 yards less. No to mention, out defense only gave up 13 pts (2 FG and 1 rushing TD) yet all of Iowa’s points vs scUM came from offense scores.

I don’t see anywhere, when looking at a common opponent, where Michigan had the better “athletes” than Iowa. Therefore, I see a slight advantage going to PSU b/c of defense.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Oct 20, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus

that running was before the improvements on our O-line.

by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 20, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Go Girl!

"...Drink'n Blue Kool - Aid; One Sip @ a Time..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 20, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Oct 21, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PSU +4.5

Do you like this line ?

How about Iowa / MSU being a pick em !!! That’s #4 vs #41 according to CBS sports blog:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index1

by Indiana Blue on Oct 20, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From ESPN ....

Penn State’s offense has averaged 510.0 yards over the past three games, but the defense has been consistently excellent all season. The Nittany Lions are tied with Florida for the nation’s top scoring defense (8.7 points per game) and are sixth in run defense (75.4 yards per game).

Not one offense that Penn State has faced, however, ranks higher than 75th overall.

That will change Saturday. Michigan ranks eighth in rushing offense (235.0 ypg) and ninth in scoring offense (37.3 ppg).

IMO – If Michigan can run the ball, it could be a long day for PSU. If they can stop the run – then the advantage goes to PSU in a very large way.

by Indiana Blue on Oct 20, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that's the key

And more specifically, I’m mainly concerned RR realizes that his offense reaches it’s maximum potential by using a mix of Forcier and Velcro to keep our defense off-balance. When they started doing that against Iowa, things opened up very fast for them.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Oct 20, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1 for Velcro

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Oct 21, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I probably speak for most PSU fans

when I say that any match-up that depends on our D stopping the run is a match-up I like. A lot. If there’s one thing our team can do, it’s completely shut down the run. The PSU defensive front is where Heisman-candidate RBs go to die.

by PSUMark2008 on Oct 21, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

go joinith and walk amongst the many, young Minor meatchicken ! ! !

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 21, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look!

You can see the ghosts of Beanie Wells and Hershel Walker!

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 22, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't forget Vinny Testaverde

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Oct 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

We didn’t absolutely smother him per our usual style. We did, however, hold him to his lowest ypc of the year.

by PSUMark2008 on Oct 21, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Defense will show up with it's A game

Sean Lee hates these *uckers. It’s the Offense that worries the hell out of me. Then the refs. Then the clock. The O just needs to come out and play ann arbor like the whore she is. From the second you meet her you *uck her until time has expired! None of this foreplay shit with the holding hands and making out beforehand.

by penntatefan on Oct 21, 2009 6:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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