Wrap-Up: And Then There Were Three

by Kevin HD on Oct 25, 2009 9:54 PM EDT in Big Ten Conference Comment 83 comments

Iowa 15, Michigan State 13

Penn State's chances of sole possession of the Big Ten crown (or as we've been calling it since 2005: actually winning the conference) fell well below 1% last night when Ricky Stanzi threw a game winning touchdown pass with just 2 seconds on the clock.

It was a true defensive slugfest for over 50 minutes. Up until the drive that gave Iowa a 9-6 lead, the two teams combined for just one drive over 70 yards, just two drives over 50 yards.

And I can't find out why this happened: after Iowa scored the winning touchdown with no time on the clock, they were forced to "attempt" the extra point. They did the obvious thing and took a knee, but since when do they require this? The only thing I can think of, and I'm all speculation here (none of the beat stories I've found address this): Dantonio demanded it. Score another one for the sore loser?

Iowa will finish with Indiana, Northwestern, Ohio State and Minnesota. The chances of them falling twice in those four games is low; Iowa fans can officially begin to worry about being shut out if Texas and Floribama win out.

Ohio State 38, Minnesota 7

The sky was falling in the state of Ohio last week and everyone was ready to send super-recruit Pryor back to wherever he came from.

But the preseason offensive player of the year rebounded from his four-turnover performance against Purdue to demolish a Gopher team that is heading 100 MPH towards the bottom of the Big Ten standings. It didn't help UM moral when the only standout on the team, Eric Decker, went out early in the game with an ankle injury.

It was a slow start for the Buckeyes but they finished strong -- over 500 yards of offense, 5.5 yard per rush and a 4-1 turnover ratio. Pryor led the team in rushing with over 100 yards and had another 239 through the air to wide-frickin-open receivers.

The Ohio State defense is the real deal, however, and they have been most of the season.

Ohio State is very much still in control of their destiny...winning out puts them in the Rose Bowl and they get Iowa at home.

Northwestern 29, Indiana 28

Indiana reaches a new painful low. Up 28-3 with 7:31 to go in the 1st half, they gave up 26 unanswered points until they were faced with 21 seconds on the clock and a 59-yard field goal for the win. What really hurts is that they almost made it, the kick was solid and on line, but fell three or four yards short.

But my favorite part of the game? Definitely Pat Fitzgerald's post game interview in which he enlightened us with something like, "There are three kinds of people in the world," and then went right along and explained to us what none of them are. I love when football gets philosophical.

The Hoosiers went 3-1 with a softer non-con schedule than Penn State (including a blowout loss to hapless Virginia) but now have their second heartbreaking loss of the Big Ten schedule.

They need two more wins against Wisconsin, Penn State and Purdue or it's nothing but Rotel for December.

Northwestern now holds five wins but faces a brutal final stretch: Penn State, Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin.

Purdue 24, Illinois 14

Two teams with four wins between them faced off in a game that was forgettable and difficult to watch. Purdue jumped out to an early lead, outgained Illinois by 60 yards and avoided a letdown after the big win last week against Ohio State.

I'm now kicking myself every week for thinking Illinois would be competent this season. Williams went 9 for 18 with a pick, rushed for just 38 yards on 14 carries, and ended up getting benched for someone named Jacob Charest.

They've lost five in a row and haven't scored over 17 points all season. I don't know how Zook can keep his job (update: but he will).

What we know.

The standings look like this:

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Iowa has already bested MSU and Wisconsin, so only if the Hawkeyes somehow fall three times in the next four weeks do those teams have a chance. In other words, they don't have a chance.

So it's now a three-horse race, although only Iowa and Ohio State control their own destinies. Penn State can win a Buckeye Crown(R) with a win against Ohio State and a Hawkeye loss to Tressel the following week.

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turning into an exciting B10 season

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Oct 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and most importantly, all of the top 3 teams play each other this year, no realistic chance of two teams finishing at the top w/out playing each other. That’s always a concern with our conference scheduling.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Oct 25, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Iowa's final PAT attempt

When’s the last time you ever saw a team go up by one or two points on a TD as time expired? It wasn’t just D’Antonio- I said as soon as Iowa scored that they still had to not screw up the PAT and send the game into overtime.

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Oct 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good point.

I figured there was a reason out there that would make my speculation look dumb, but I couldn’t figure it out. And to answer your question: I can’t think of one.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Oct 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

it’s an NCAA rule, but…

It’s also an NCAA rule that you can’t spill out of the benches before the game is over. And by that I mean, 15 yard penalty on Iowa for excessive celebration.

Now, a game can’t end on a penalty, so Iowa would have to kick off for one untimed down. Odds are they squib, but who knows? And if D’Antonio is paying attention, he can run the old “fair catch kick” and get Swenson a chance at a 60-something yarder.

So in short…MSU got jobbed, though 99.9999% of the time it doesn’t matter.

NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.

by PSUdevon on Oct 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know that's a really good point

but the NCAA is more prone to the “Oh we don’t care if you’re out on the field during the game as long as one of two things happens: A.) You think you’ve won, B.) You’re USC”

by AdamShell on Oct 25, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Game can't end on a defensive penalty

Besides, the penalty would have been prior to the PAT, so the PAT would have been the last play.

by SpartanDan on Oct 26, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

Iowa should have taken a knee from the 18 yard line instead of the 3, but other than that, the end of the game would have been the same.

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

incorrect

One can choose to enforce the penalty either on the extra point or the ensuing kickoff. That rule was instituted a couple years ago.

NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.

by PSUdevon on Oct 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that I care or wanted it

but why was Michigan not required to run the XP in 2005? PSU could have returned it for the tie.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So to rephrase your queston

You’re asking why a rule wasn’t enforced when Michigan had gone up against us and we were playing in Michigan stadium?

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, and I think it's a smart move by D'Antonio there.

Fumbled snaps in college football happen from time to time. A miracle can only happen if you make them snap the ball.

by jimbo2psu on Oct 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's apparently happened once.

Several years ago a team had just scored on Kansas State to go up by one with 15 seconds on the clock. The team decided to go for a 2-point conversion to go up by three. The team turned the ball over on the conversion attempted, KSU recovered and ran the ball back for two points to put K-State up by one.

Source? I can’t find it, but I know it’s true.

by Cairo on Oct 27, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be the most painful way to lose ever.

Even most of MSU’s follies can’t match that.

by SpartanDan on Oct 27, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and...

+1 for ‘Buckeye Crown ®’

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was going to comment on this but you beat me.

Now, my thought is…

Should we register this as a TM? I’ll do the work, we just need to use it in commerce, then (i.e. sell shirts).

by psume06 on Oct 26, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BCS rankings

Iowa #1 in the computer ranking?!?!? I’m pleasantly surprised.

by RitterPSU on Oct 25, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Computers don't use margin of victory.

They only see that they keep winning over pretty good teams, not they’re winning by the skin of their teeth over MSU.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They also have a significantly more difficult schedule than the other top teams.

By a mile.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least

Machines apparently dont hate the big ten….they also dont have a boner for USC.

by RitterPSU on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ZOMG!! THEY WON A TITLE FIVE YEARS AGO!

Err.. Sorry, wrong thread.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, seriously.

Iowa’s schedule is 18 games over .500.. Florida is next at 2 games over .500.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Floribama

For SEC fans who can’t decide

Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...

by letsgopsu on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lounge and...Package?

DO NOT WANT

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 26, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It means you can drink it there or take it with you

Now get your mind out of the gutter.

(Disclaimer- it took me a minute to figure it out too.)

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Oct 26, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Florabama is a terribly awesome place.

Every year they have a mullet toss contest out on the beach and it is truly a place to see rednecks, hippies, businessmen and Officer Candidates from Pensacola all drinking on the same massive deck out back.

mullet = fish by the way

by NittanySeaLion on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn’t that place awful/awesome? My friends and I went to the mullet toss for a bachelorette party (my friends are awesome, no sterotypical Vegas for us!) and oh, the humanity. I threw a mullet 40 feet.

Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...

by letsgopsu on Oct 26, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I called it this summer.

I knew that Illinois would win the “Wisconsin 2008” award and underachieve by a lot. I don’t think anyone knew it would be this bad. I blame Missouri. They really stomped their hearts out the past few years and for the past 2 have doomed their season.

It's been a long, a long time coming
But I know a change gonna come, oh yes it will-Sam Cooke

by OMEGAMAN on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

4-3 Missouri?

Really? They’d be under .500 if they didn’t have the good grace of playing the Illini.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Adam Decker...

Is he some sort of fusing of WR Eric Decker and QB Adam Weber?

by mrb5091 on Oct 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought he meant the linebacker from MSU.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But think of the total offense that guy could pick up.

fixed. Thanks.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Oct 25, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I bet they'd get one catch for 42 yards.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be the next coming of Pryor.

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Oct 26, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You say that as if Pryor is somehow talented at what he does

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of the XP attempt

in 2005 PSU against Michigan they didn’t have to attempt the XP and it was the same situation, i wonder why…

by whiteoutonly on Oct 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

[angry frown] - Lloyd Carr

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am truly glad that I brought this phrase into the world

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 25, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You and me both.

Although [emotionless face] – Kirk Ferentz isn’t anything to scoff at, either.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Damn, this is good chewing gum. Been usin' it since '03 against Wiscy." - Kirk Ferentz

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unrelated, but i love the phrase:

I won’t recognize Missourah until I’m stone dead in the ground.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

+1 Sir

I say this phrase every darn chance I get. Thank you.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Oct 26, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want a frown-off

between D’Antonio and Carr.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Oct 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

referines?

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024, but temporarily replaced, since i couldnt resist the sign

by 3Yardout on Oct 26, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You only have to kick PAT's for plays that happened during regulation, not 2 seconds after regulation.

by psume06 on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How Zook can keep his job for another year

From what the announcers mentioned, Illinois’s athletic department is apparently in slight turmoil right now over something unrelated to the football squad. I don’t remember the exact words, but Ron Guenther (the director) may be canned. And the department and U. may be more concerned with fixing other issues than going through the process of hiring a new coach.

Of course, this may be all bulls**t.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bigger problems.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/07/illinois

Still, you’d think that they could walk and chew gum at the same time. But maybe not.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Oct 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow..

Thats like a really honkin big deal. Poor Illinois.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, OK

Thanks.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 25, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No wonder they tried to score Larry Johnson for a winning powerball ticket and an Assistant Head Coach position

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a question to ponder

If LJ had taken the job and been the DC for the Zooker, do you think they would have fired Zook by this point and promoted LJ? I mean, it would probably be a pretty hasty organizational move, but I feel most people in college football know that PSU assistant coaches are quality and that LJ is a sought after guy, so I don’t think it would be completely out of left field, especially with their current on-field results. How crazy would that be though?

by skarocksoi on Oct 25, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn't suprise me one bit.

Getting rid of one recruiter for another.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Woo-hoo!

Clark won the Big Ten offensive player of the week award!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Oct 25, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I saw

a comment on mgoblog about how psu is now 2-8 their last 10 against them. I love it. This loss was just sooooo unacceptable to them they whip out this stat to make them feel better bout’ back2back beatdowns. It puts a smile on my face especially when BG eats his words b/c royster rolled for a 100 and the team came hard in ann arbor. I ‘d say they “brought it” brandon! Now he says "people aren’t going to remember this" “they’re going to remember how we finish”. We’ll see how that ends up in a few weeks. In the meantime just keep sportin’ the RR HOPE T-shirts. He always does better his 2nd year.

by penntatefan on Oct 26, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well, technically he has done better this year than last

though that wasn’t that hard of a task

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 26, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously, I mean with powerhouses like Delaware State

and I believe they played every single directional Michigan that exists, he was pretty much guaranteed at least four wins this season.

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BCS meltdown....

This could be the year. The year the BCS finally implodes on itself. We could have an undefeated Big 11 Champ; an undefeated Nintendo 12 Champ; an undefeated Big Least Champ; an undefeated OMGSEC Champ; an undefeated MWC Champ; and an Undefeated WAC Champ. Of course it won’t work out that way, but I can hope, can’t I?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Look for all of them except Iowa to lose once...

by psume06 on Oct 26, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't worry

we’ll take,

*pauses to sip the Kool-Aid,

care of Iowa for ya!

It’s the least we can do.

"they're calling insane hogs???"

by CrowTrobot on Oct 26, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

That's what I call kool-aid

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't take offense to this

but i just laughed out loud

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But in all seriousness, I hope Decker gets better

and your avatar is an epic win.

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Iowa losing twice

The Hawkeyes will most likely be a double digit underdog against OSU, even if they are 10-0 at that point. Indiana (~17) and NW (~14) will be double digit dogs and Minnesota (~+10) won’t be far behind. No idea what the moneylines will look like, but 2 losses aren’t completely out of the question.

Just sayin’.

by Kunk on Oct 26, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I just don't see two losses

Indiana is Indiana (Iowa only loses to them when Iowa sucks and IU has James Hardy), Northwestern looks bad, and Minnesota is falling apart and it’s the last game of the season and they’re rivals.

If anyone can give them a second loss it’s jNW, but I really can’t believe Iowa won’t be motivated after losing to them three years in a row and with a great season on the line.

Also, I’ll be slightly surprised if OSU is favored by double digits. They’re not clearly superior, they may have three losses, and home field advantage can only take them so far.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

our terrible record against iowa and a great season on the line

didn’t prevent US from losing to them last year…

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Oct 26, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's great, except...

Iowa was a much worse matchup for us than jNW is for Iowa. jNW is not very good. Iowa lost their 4 games by, what, 12 points in total?

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

but hasn’t iowa been notorious recently for playing down to opponents? is it possible for them to get to a point where they are emotionally empty from playing games so close? or are they all robots like you and get stronger off of others sadness and misery?

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Somehow I think the chance to win their first national championship will help motivate them. .

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it could, but haven't the last 3 penn state teams

had national championship as their cheer in spring training? or was that just 2007 and 2008?

idk you’re probably right. if there is a less cocky, more humble team in FBS than Iowa, i’d like to see them.

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought they had one?

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, there’s one organization that recognizes an MNC for them back in the ’50s, but no one else does.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well if that organization isn't the NCAA

frankly, just like Pitt, scUM, and tOSU, I don’t give a damn.

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was my point

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 26, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh...doesn't the NCAA not recognize ANY MNCs?

they have that one site that lists all the different MNCs that have been awarded, so either that is recognition, in which case the Iowa one is probably “recognized” or they don’t recognize anyone’s MNCs.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Iowa won't be a double digit underdog against O$U.

Just sayin.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Oct 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"There are three kinds of people in the world,"

Raise your hand if you were disappointed he didn’t go into the D’s P’s and A’s speech from Team America.

by CurrentStudent on Oct 26, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hand raised

Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater

by NittanyTide on Oct 26, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hand raised

And it would have been TREMENDOUS.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Oct 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The first picture

I thin it’s Julian Vandenberg, not James.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

James Van Der Beek?

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I give it a 10...a fuckin 10

God I loved Miss Davis.

The caption is right in the picture though. James Vandenberg is the 200lb frosh QB and Julian Vandervelde is the 300lb junior Guard. Can’t blame the guy for whispering the sween nothings though. After that last drive, I wanted SDS too…

Fuck tOSU

by ajs1122 on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs