Iowa: Victim of What?
So, Iowa is four wins away from running the table. Good for them I suppose. Of course, it could all suck very soon if they run the table and are excluded from the national title game by undefeated squads from the SEC and Big XII.
There's a lot of football to be played, but this is a scenario worth talking about because it begs an obvious question.
Will Iowa be screwed by the anti-Big 10 bias or the fact that they were unnranked to start the season?
Purely hypothetical, and probably no good answer, but worth thinking about right? The debates over conference strength and the relevence of preseason rankings are dominating college football right now, and Iowa could potentially be the poster child for what is wrong with the system. And let's play devil's advocate. What if Iowa were to overcome both obstacles to get to the MNC? Wouldn't it signal that perception both of conferences and preseason rankings is largely irrelevent?
Discuss.
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I'll tell you this
Iowa will not play for the national championship. They will either A) lose a game or B) get screwed by the voters. At this point I think they will put Boise State in the national championship game over Iowa or any Big Ten team.
I don’t see Texas losing a game. And either Florida or Alabama will go undefeated. Iowa will go to the Rose Bowl, and We’ll probably end up playing Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see Iowa losing to someone they're not supposed to
Possiby Minny… They have a tendancy to play down to teams, and I think ultimately that will catch up to them.
Also, they will lose to tOSU
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by Horse N Buggy on Oct 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Florida OR Bama will go undefeated. Not sure about Texas. And I don’t think Boise State (with their awful, awful schedule and their being hated by the computers) goes in either.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that be hilarious if Florida, Bama, AND Texas all lose one at the end of the year
and are ALL excluded from the MNC! I don’t know if I’d ever stop laughing.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure if Florida and Bama can both lose in the SEC championship game...
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant they lose another game before the championship
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that wouldn't be AT the end of the year, then, would it?
huh fancy pants, huh?
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine: *towards* the end of the year, Sparty-pants
Oh! Sorry, I meant smarty pants.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 29, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way Texas goes down is this weekend against Okie State.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems possible to me
Texas hasn’t been playing great ball
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
did you see the texas tech/texas A&M/kansas st. trade-off?
A&M 52 – Tech 30
Tech 66 – K St. 14
K St. 62 – A&M 14
I don’t think anyone in the mediocre 12 is safe this season. Don’t over look the texas/texas A&M game at the end of the year IN college station.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 29, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scores like that remind me SO much of
Christian Okoye and Bo Jackson running wild, QB Eagles pissing me off with his improbable 70 yard QB sneaks, Vai Sikahema getting hurt in every game, and Steve Grogan overthrowing his receiver by 30 yards with a pass that can only be described as a water-balloon toss.
by jimbo2psu on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like Tecmo Bowl
I loved Tecmo Bowl.
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by dmoney350z on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rein it in...
I think we need to chill on the “we’ll play X in the (insert BCS affiliated bowl here)” talk.
I’m not saying I don’t think we will be there, but we’ll look awful silly if we lose one or more games to end the season. Remember 1999? OSU and MSU are far from sure wins…
by jtw126 on Oct 29, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think...
you forgot 2008.
something about
“were going undefeated…deal with it.” Looking siliy is about 11 months too late.
by bconway6 on Oct 30, 2009 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Iowa...
Boise, TCU, Florida or Bama, and Texas will all go undefeated. Cincy could too, but I have a feeling they will lose one. The Florida-Bama winner will play Texas for the MNC largely because they started the season at the top. Iowa will play the Oregon-SC winner in the Rose. TCU will have a better resume than Boise and thus play in a BCS game, likely the Fiesta.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But wait
Everyone thought Penn State had an easy run to an undefeated season last year after the OSU game. Iowa doesn’t have smooth sailing to the finish line yet…they still need to go up against a pretty good team on the road, with an offense that can most optimistically be described as “adequate.” I’m calling that game a coin-flip at best.
by jimbo2psu on Oct 29, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that Iowa wasn't ranked pre-season
It’s that they weren’t ranked in the top 5. PSU would be a left-out at 12-0 this season if tx and fl/ab win out against their very mediocre remaining schedules.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Oct 28, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also,
Iowas was ranked pre-season. They fell out after the first week with their close win over UNI.
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 28, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Victim of
a subpar offense and injured running game.
But I agree that this stuff can be fun to think about. I more or less think the “anti big ten bias” is valid, at least in as much as it would serve to put Iowa behind the winner of the SEC and Texas, should both those teams stay undefeated. Nevertheless, if Iowa is undefeated and left out of the title game—and goes on to win their bowl game against a worthy opponent—say a one-loss USC or the one-loss SEC runner up—than I think we’ve got the best case yet in arguing that the BCS sucks.
My favorite wrinkle on that is to think if the fact that its Iowa—a state with a uniquely powerful position in our electoral politics—will have any bearing on how the whole college playoff system debate vis a vis politics happens going foward. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) held a hearing about the absurdity of the BCS earlier this year—as Utah got screwed last year—but Iowa, as a rep. of the big ten and as a more important state politically than Utah—might make more traction.
If Iowa makes the MNC, I don’t think it necessarily signals that the worry about preseason rankings are irrelevant. As long as the pre-season rankings can be shown to be a) full of bs—which they are and b) somewhat determinative of the final BCS rankings, then I think they remain worrisome.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Oct 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also, if an undefeated Iowa gets left out of the MNC
doesn’t the big ten commissioner (Delaney?) have to come out in favor of a playoff going forward?
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Oct 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the pay out bigger for the MNC?
If it isn’t and the Big10 gets two teams in the BCS, I don’t think Delaney would care.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 28, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure the payout is bigger
but not exorbinantly so.
He should care because one of his constituents was treated unfairly. Maybe I’m naive in thinking that its true, but if it happens to Iowa, it could happen to any big ten team, with the possible exceptions of psu, osu, and uofm. In that case, at the least you could expect 8 of the schools to be pro-playoff—though worst case, all you need is 6 to make Delaney change his mind…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Oct 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his constituents are..
the University Presidents.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply fail...
I don’t see the schools changing their mind. They fear the destruction of the bowl system, which wouldn’t likely hurt PSU, OSU or UM as much as it would the rest of the conference who need the mid and lower tiered bowls.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think the University of Iowa President is going to say:
I’m happy with the system we have, even though we beat everyone we played but aren’t considered the MNCs?
There’s definitely a way for college football to make MORE MONEY with a playoff—nothing inherent in a playoff would kill any of the non-BCS bowls.
The only way it costs money is if you decide that you have to go back to 11 game seasons. Its not post-season revenue.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Oct 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only in college football
is winning the least you can do to be a champion.
It’s been said one hundred gazillion times: the system sucks.
I’m in the minority in thinking the government has to intervene. You’re talking about LOTS of money being exchanged between public (some private) institutions and corporations, utilizing facilities paid by taxpayers, student athletes who are basically used (and treated sometimes) as slaves for corporate and broadcast benefits (without pay), exclusion of smaller universities from profits, questionable accountability of conference leaders and university presidents (most considered to be government employees) and gasp referees, and over all collusion between entities stated above that prevents fair competition in favor of $$$.
A lot of people say sports should be the least of the government’s worries, but college football is a running monopoly and a business that operates to the detriment of quality to a sport that means so much to a lot of people.
by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 28, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“to a sport that means so much to a lot of people.”
College football as a whole is not a sport. It can’t be. It’s a 120-team league with a disparity of almost a factor of 100 in terms of resources. If you stop thinking about the BCS as a championship, and start thinking about it as 4 high profile games and one ultra profile game, it becomes a lot more palatable.
Think about before the BCS – yeah, there was that whole “#1 ranking” bullcrap thing, but seriously, Big Ten teams just wanted to play in the Rose Bowl.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
For me bowl season is all about seing matchups of teams you don’t get any other time of the year. Like when we played FSU, not because our AD’s got together, had some meetings, decided this was going to be a great way to make some cash, scheduled it years in advance, and then who knows how good either team will be or if Joe and Bobby will still even be coaching…
Which for me is the argument I’d like to see a playoff — I don’t particularly care about the ‘WE NEED A DEFINITIVE CHAMPION’ because nothing is definitive. But I’d really like to see the top 8 teams in the country mix it up in an 8 team playoff — there would be so many cool matchups you’d rarely ever see.
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by millzners on Oct 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, a playoff is the only way to "prove" just how good a team is.
You expose them to multiple match-ups against varied opponents with different methods of play, and if they can get through those unscathed, congrats, you deserve to be #1.
But then again, it would let teams like USC, who through their endless discipline and focus, always drop a game they shouldn’t, be given a second shot, when they shouldn’t because of their endless hype. Last year, they probably could have been national champs, but they didn’t deserve it. If you aren’t going to bring your A-game every game, just because you play teams “far inferior” to your own BS, you don’t deserve a shot at the top.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 28, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn’t have complained last year about getting a second chance after losing a game to Iowa that we shouldn’t have lost.
So, unless we’re just saying that Utah was the NC…
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk what I'm saying
it’s an interesting debate. While I’m sick an tired of the BCS and these stupid automatic tie-in bowls that limit who we’re able to face in a bowl game, or automatically giving us a crappy opponent, there’s arguments for an against a playoff system on a football standpoint (as opposed to a monetary standpoint).
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 28, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost no team in college or professional football brings their “A” game every game. Every team is prone to some kind of let down game or where things just don’t go their way. Even the teams that go undefeated experience games like this, they just happen to pull them out at the end.
The bottom line is the champions of each conference plus a couple wild cards to include ND, superior conference runner ups and schools outside of the major conferences should play each other in a tournament to determine the champion. It’s the simplest, easiest way.
by catesinator on Oct 30, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt that the SEEE EEEE CEEEE Championship?
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by noodlebucket on Oct 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
vote with your dollar.
If it’s that deplorable to you, stop consuming.
by PSUinBOSSton on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even a playoff
isn’t going to stop the whining. Do you think that in a playoff situation South Carolina isn’t going to spend the rest of the year complaining about how they were screwed by the refs? Or the rankings that kept a team out at spot #13. Or the weather, or a turnover, or an injury.
Yes, it’s more definative than what we have now, but everyone will never be happy.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Oct 28, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that you risk including unworthy teams.
Look at the NFL. The advent of wildcards (in all sports actually) was not about determining a champion. It’s about money. The more teams that play in the postseason, the more owners who can make more money. I am completely opposed to any system that allows a team that didn’t win its conference into a playoff. You want an 8 team playoff, then I say 6 BCS champions and 2 best non-BCS conference champions. Otherwise, why bother with conferences at all? Just admit 8 more teams, play 6 games then seed them 1 to 128 and play the whole thing off.
by PSUinBOSSton on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but then how do you determine which of the 2 non-BCS conference champions were best
Why not do a 12 or 16 team playoff, include all conference champions, and then fill in the rest with at-larges (of course, then how do you determine the at larges, etc)
There are many “solutions”. None are perfect, but some are better than others.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a 120-team playoff
Every last FBS teams get in, all ranking ties go to the team that was better “back in the day” as determined by the Bama fan who went apespit in that YouTube video. Everyone’s happy. Those who think it makes a mockery of the regular season are dumb.
by Cairo on Oct 28, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, it'd only take 7 weeks
so figure we can extend the postseason to go through the end of January. Then if we start mid-December, I think this can work. Give the teams bye weeks for finals, and get the playoffs started. Nothing important really happens the first couple of weeks of classes in January anyway, so no biggy there (besides, why do we care about January academics, but not about Sept, Oct, Nov academics?). Most teams would be eliminated by then, anyway.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I put the CBS 120 in a 128-team playoff spreadsheet I found.

Difficult to read, but it’s a thing of beauty. Penn State would face Eastern Michigan in the first round.
For those of you that are worried, you can just cut and paste the teams in the “setup” spreadsheet—so it took all of ten seconds to put this together.
by Cairo on Oct 29, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Arizona State! SMU!
It’s the Wrightco Technologies Technical Training Institute Bowl! Live at 8 eastern/7 central tonight on ESPNU 3!
by Cairo on Oct 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
is it sad that I would actually LOVE to watch something like this?
I mean sure I’d miss most of the first few rounds of games, but how’s that any different than March Madness?
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for sheer amazingness
can you please post this file? This could be a lot of fun to get distracted with at work.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
by psuwxman on Oct 29, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowl situation
How about this. We use the BCS to rank every bowl eligible team 1 to ~64. Then the bowl matchups are dictated purely by 1v2(title game) 3v4, 5v6, until all 32 bowls are filled up.
The only way this changes is if a conference has two teams slotted for the same game, then they would switch with the next one. i.e) if Iowa ends at 9 and we end at 10, Iowa would play 11 and we would play 12 instead.
The order that the bowls receive these teams would be similar to now. There would be a few tiers of bowls, and the games within those tiers would rotate yearly. I.e) after the Title game, the other BCS games get the 3-10 matchups. The rose, orange, sugar and fiesta would rotate who gets the 3-4 game and so forth. The next tier would be the cotton, capitol one, etc.
This way, we get different bowl matchups every year instead of the same stale conference tie-ins. Every game would be about as evenly matched as can be predicted and it would be kind of exciting to see the final standings to find out where your team is headed to play.
I would like to see a playoff, but putting that aside, the #1 thing I want to destroy are conference tie-ins, it is so freaking boring playing the same conferences and teams year in and year out.
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by Roland86 on Oct 28, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Real Question
Do you really think Iowa could defeat Florida, Bama or Texas?
I mean, I think their defense is pretty good, but I don’t see their offense scoring many points on any of those teams….. well maybe Texas.
by smashtheguitar on Oct 28, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they could
They could beat all three of them.
Florida, for all their hype, is suspect this year. They remind me a lot of the Miami team from 1992 that was supposed to roll to a MNC (and got rolled by Bama in the Sugar). They would make some big plays, no doubt (see Clark-to-Powell for 79 yards), but Iowa’s tough enough to withstand that.
Alabama would probably be Iowa’s best matchup. Iowa has the D-line to slow down/stop Mark Ingram, and we’ve seen what Iowa does to starting quarterbacks. As long as Stanzi keeps from throwing Stanziballs, Iowa beats Alabama.
Texas primarily relies on McCoy-to-Shipley; take that away, and I don’t know if Texas can survive.
All that being said, it comes down to Stanzi — how many Stanziballs he would throw, and whether or not he can do what he did against Sparty and lead the team to a clutch TD in the closing seconds.
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
by dmoney350z on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to mention...
McElroy kinda sucks.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 29, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa's problem is their style of play.
They have Ohio State’s grind-it-out style from their MNC year not long ago. Miami was supposed to KILL Ohio State that year because Ohio State was viewed as less of a complete team.
Here’s the problem: voters see Iowa as having a defense, but no offense. There are no shades of gray. Suppose Iowa’s D-line is good enough to get pressure on whoever they’d play in a bowl…so much so that their pedestrian offense can still be enough to win. Voters would never see that. They just see “good offense, no defense. Can’t win without Nintendo offense. They don’t deserve to play in the game end of story.” It’s a shame and a playoff would fix it.
by jimbo2psu on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You never know...
If Iowa keeps losing tailbacks they may have to revert to their 2004 offense (when they passed like 40 times a game). That may just be Nintendo-ish enough to impress the voters!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can they win if they have to play that kind of offensive scheme?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've done it before...
But I have my doubts
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 29, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thowing 40 times/game
would definitely up the % of Stanziballs.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Miami really does struggle in with the MNC when they are supposed to destroy the other team
1986 Good guys, 1992 Alabama, 2002 Ohio State
Also interesting.
1985 Oklahoma beats Penn State for a national championship
1986 Penn State beats Miami for a national championship
1987 Miami beats Oklahoma for a national championship
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
college football is cyclical?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it's not!
SEC RULEZ 4EVA!!!!!
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 29, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sshhhhh
don’t say this to anyone who thinks the spread option is something new.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
by psuwxman on Oct 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
aaaannnnddd ignore this.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
by psuwxman on Oct 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore what?
I’m kinda distracted by the watts of Roo power.
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by jtothep on Oct 29, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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