Calling (Out) All Students
Yeah, yeah, the ticketing and admission system apparently stinks, but we've reached a new milestone in this fight when the Executive Director of the Nittany Lion Club is calling out students for their poor showing at football games.
Then again, it's (1) Ohio State and (2) the game is at 3:30 p.m. If the student section isn't filled by kickoff for that game...
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And I agree
that Ohio State will be the final test. There’ve been excuses before, but I think the lameness that is “great show” lives or dies the Saturday after this one.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Oct 29, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is NO way the students dont show up for that one.
330 start and 10 day forecast says 47/sunny. A little chilly but nowhere near cold enough (is there such a temp?) to keep the students away from a chance to berate Armpunt McGee.
by PSUJunny05 on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't even trust a one day forecast from weathermen
you think that 10 day is going to be any accurate? lol
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 29, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now!
As a meteorology major at PSU… actually you’re right, meteorologists are full of crap. I’ll let you in on the trade secret, at graduation we get a deck of tarot cards.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Oct 29, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's right weatherman
I had a meteo major as a roommate last year, I know all about your awesome weather prediction skills all too well.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew there were big problems during the first game when on my way in (over 15 minutes late to the game) there were still about 5000 students in a huge mob around the student entrance. I’m sure a lot of them said screw it and went back to drinking…
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was only like a decade or so ago..
I’d have stood in line for hours to go to every game. And i had the luxury of suffering through some real awful stuff by 02. What a damn shame.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Oct 29, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
I love JoeBa! Fun story, for me at least…
I was a freshman in 2005. I was up for FTCAP or what ever it’s called now (or if that’s still the acronym), and I got my tickets there. It was late-june, early-july i think. The next year, I waited too long and missed out on tickets (i mean they were available into august in 2005). My mom went to penn state with joeba’s wife, and she got him to pull some strings and get me season tickets.
I know we talk about this all the time, but it really does seem like the student section is getting complacent. I don’t know why a team winning would make you feel less willing to go to a game? Isn’t that the best reason to go to a game?
I feel like I complain a lot about the students, and I was one only but 5 or so months ago. Luckily the friends I still have down there go early, so I don’t have to yell at them.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 29, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever.
Anyone student half a mind for social interaction and football can show up to the Ohio State game. Showing up to that game proves nothing. The real test comes with Indiana. Say what you will about the non-con schedule, there is no excuse for skipping a Big Ten game regardless of the opponent. I don’t care if PSU loses 50-0 at home against O$U, we need a big, loud, passionate student section against the Hoosiers cheering JoePa and the boys on to victory. It’s your last chance to do so in Beaver Stadium until next September, so make it worthwhile.
by Cairo on Oct 29, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Anyone student half a mind for social interaction and football can show up to the Ohio State game.”
Huh?
Other than that, I agree 100%.
by PSUJunny05 on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Massive typo
Let’s try this. “Any student who doesn’t mind social interaction and football will show up for the Ohio State game.”
by Cairo on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does three and a half hours of screaming constitute
“social interaction”?
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You call three and a half hours of screaming "social interaction"
I call it “how I make love.”
by Tailgate Shogun on Oct 29, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks worse
in the student section because of the way the seats are filled. If one out of five seats is empty on the west side, it’s hard to tell because of how they’re scattered, and people will spread out in their parkas (or hunting jackets) to take up the unoccupied space. These kids might learn to stay at home from stay-at-home parents. Ever take a look at the middle deck on the south end zone? Where the hell are those people?
I went to the PSU-OSU game in 2001 when JoePa got 324 wins. There were at least 15,000 no-shows for that game. It was in the upper 30’s with flurries (late October), but there wasn’t so much snow that people couldn’t travel.
by Joe 96alum on Oct 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS
alumni complain about the student section, but there’s usually as many or more alumni absent for the same games. Sure most students don’t have the travel excuse (even in bad weather), but there are definitely a lot of alumni seats that are empty for a lot of those games, they’re just harder to identify.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, however
Alumni pony up a lot more cash for the right to have those tickets through years of NLC dues. Couple in the cost of making a weekend trip to State College with the 2 or 3 night guarantees most hotels have, and you’re looking at a large kick in the wallet. This doesn’t entirely absolve “fair-weather” alums from skipping games, but they at least can be more excused for doing so, given the amount of money and years of loyalty required to possess their tickets.
Students on the other hand pay for a largely discounted ticket package — or their parents do — and then complain as a whole that they’re not getting a bigger allotment.
This is the big reason for the resentment from the alumni, the sense of entitlement. If you’re going to cry about your inability to get more tickets, you better make sure that the tickets you do have get used.
Can you imagine the outcry we’d hear when the AD decides to take 5,000 seats away from the students to give to the lengthy waiting list of young alumni who are trying to reach the NLC point threshold to merit season tix? That’s exactly what the students are providing the AD this season… justification.
by jtw126 on Oct 29, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So the Alums can show up with a worse attendance % than the students?
Great Idea.
I’m sure the AD would love it though since it’s all about the money, cut out 5000 student seats and give them to Alums who are going to pay twice as much for them? I have a better idea, let’s get rid of the entire student section and make them donate their way into season tickets. Being able to sell student tickets twice this year was just a step in this direction. Curley sits in his office all day doing the Dr. Evil laugh thinking up things like this.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Oct 29, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not what I'm saying at all.
The 5,000 seats would take the student section from 22,000 down to 17,000, still one of the largest in the country. Those 5,000 seats would go to the younger alums who still haven’t accumulated enough points to get season tickets. The younger alums would be more inclined to come to the games. So you get the 17,000 students who DO show up plus 5,000 grateful young alumni who WILL show up.
by jtw126 on Oct 30, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again...
Student attendance has dropped off this year. Last year, it was fine. Why?
New ticket exchange system. If you decide last minute you can’t go to the game, you can’t just give your paper ticket to your friend – you have to hope they can sneak in with your ID (which may get confiscated). So anyone who decides after Thursday not to go to the game for any reason = empty seat. Why aren’t we going to the games THIS YEAR?
Crappy schedules and weather. We have control over the first. FIVE of our home games are not even games (non-conf. + Indiana) and happen at NOON. Hate on the students all you want, but the only reason I’m in the stadium at 11:30 and not still drunk from the night before, is the blue band. Most of us could have a lot more enjoyable wekend at a party on Friday and sleeping in Saturday morning. Really, what are you even missing when you don’t see the first quarter of us steamrolling Temple?
Minnesota for homecoming? If it weren’t homecoming and they weren’t coming off a strong year, I’d count that out too. That leaves Iowa and Ohio State as the only decent games that we can legitimately get excited about.
There are a ton of other situations where a student may not go to the game at the last minute too, in any year – maybe you went home for the weekend last minute, got sick, having more fun at the tailgate than they would in the game, got too drunk at the tailgate to make it in. In all of these situations, a paper ticket would allow students to pass their seat on to others.
Don’t give me the BS about scalping tickets. If you want your student tickets at the student price, wake up that morning and get them in the first ten minutes and you will be fine. If you didn’t get tickets and you want to pay $100 to see OSU, the only way you’re going to get that is in a free market. Price caps are just going to restrict supply. For every ticket sold LAST year for $100, there was a buyer that was made better off for it (remember ECON 002, the rational self-interest assumption?). TODAY, if you didn’t get tickets, you’re just SOL because no one’s going to sell OSU tickets at the capped price. You have buyers and sellers that would both love the $100 price that can’t be matched now.
There are two things that need to change to fix this problem:
Let us exchange tickets more flexibly so when ONE person can’t go, one of the other FIVE that want to, can.
Give us a reason to go and get excited. That comes from quality match-ups, not sound effects and “The Great Show.”
I doubt either of these changes will happen. This makes me wonder if the administration is truly ignorant of the problem or if they’re setting the student section up to fail to justify cutting back our territory and getting some more of that alumni $$$.
by PSUMBBtrumpet on Oct 29, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity...
TODAY, if you didn’t get tickets, you’re just SOL because no one’s going to sell OSU tickets at the capped price.
Why?
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Oct 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
making 30 bucks isn’t worth the hassle. For 80, which is what I got for my MSU ticket last year, definitely.
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by PSUdevon on Oct 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*headdesk*
Really? Are the st… Really?
Alright, I’m jumping back out of this conversation….
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Oct 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not so much that theyre lazy...
but that they figure, well for $30 or $40, or maybe even $60 “I may as well leave myself the option of going, just in case”.
Trumpet is right, nobody is selling their OSU ticket. Ive been wanting to buy one, and have been checking the ticket site consistently and I have seen a total of ONE ticket up for sale.
The sale price is not worth it to the seller, bottom line.
This is just one reason the crowds have been a bit down this year, not the whole reason, but one. I think the early loss to Iowa killed some of the excitement.
by bconway6 on Oct 29, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like you have to walk to the BJC to post your ticket for sale.
If you know you couldn’t make it to the game would you be lazy and eat the cost or take 2 seconds to post it for a measly face value knowing that you’ll have $30 buck to buy beer or CD’s?
It smells like either laziness or spoiled brat syndrome.
The price arguement makes a lot more sense to me if you can make the game, but would deal with watching it on TV if you could get a multiple of cost.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you don't actually get the money
I think it’s sent into your student account (not sure if it’s Lion Cash) or not. Cash trumps computer money.
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
by PSUdevon on Oct 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can I buy with
a hard earned Lionbuck? Hookers?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorostitutes?
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Oct 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the conversion rate
on Lionbucks to Shrutebucks? Or StanleyNickels for that fact?
Beat Northwestern.
by jesse. on Oct 30, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i'll give you a billion stanley nickels if you never talk to me again
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's got to be somewhat close to
the rate of leprechauns to unicorns…
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Oct 30, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was on the fence about going in the first place...
I probably wouldn’t have decided by Thursday. By Thursday, I’m still probably thinking I’d want to go. For the $30 it might cost me its easier to keep the option open then it is to make up my mind. If I decide I don’t want to go anyway I’m only out the $30 or so. $100 is more likely to make me make up my mind as to weather or not I’m really going. I’d be more pissed if I wasted a $100 ticket than a $30 ticket.
by bconway6 on Oct 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can buy that.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One one, maybe two of these games are worth $100. If the argument is “get rid of the system so kids can sell their tickets for $100 without hassle,” then we’ve fixed the Iowa and Ohio State game and that’s it…it’s the other games that are embarrassing.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Oct 29, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know those
round silver things with artwork on one side that you set your drink on?
No,no not the black ones, those a vinyl.
Yeah, the little ones, about 5 inches in diameter – you used to be able to put them in a machine and they played music.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is true
but what if you find out on friday you can’t go to the game anymore? Sick or injured, or something comes up. Then you are SOL and no one is able to use that ticket, even if they wanted to buy it (unless they look enough like you…though I don’t know how closely they check the IDs at the gates…my guess not at all)
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, don’t underestimate the power of the Swine. Swine numbers are being grossly under reported at UP, the hospital aren’t giving the swine flu test to everyone, if you go in with flu like symptoms they just say “Yeah you probably have it, here are some meds, don’t go to class.” So while the reports say that there are (insert some number) of cases on campus, the number is way higher, I would say nearly 10% of the people I know here have had it so far this semester. As much of these people WANT to go to the games, it’s also very irresponsible. There are also the germophobes who’s idea of sitting on a packed bus, standing in a packed stadium just give them the creeps.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football attendance as optional?
When I was a student, the thought of NOT going to a game never crossed my mind. It didn’t matter the opponent or the weather. You only had 4 seasons to sit in the student section (and this was before it was the greatest ever in the world), so you just went to the game. And after graduation, who knew where you’d live or if you could get tickets, so you made the walk across campus to go to the game while you still had tickets.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Oct 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've long had a theory
about the mindset of college students. There are two camps – those that pay their own way be it scholarships, savings, loans, PT job etc, and those whose parents/family foot the bill.
Exhibit A: My buddy Dan. Took not a cent from his folks. Had some modest scholarships, but paid most of his way through loans and summer jobs. This guy busted his ass becasue he was on his own dime. He rarely had spare cash, but if he wanted to do something that cost $$, he would sell plasma, work in the dining hall, whatever.
Exhibit B: Me. My folks sacrificed and saved a hell of a lot to pay most of my way. I ended up with some manageable loans that I was able to pay in full within 4 years of graduating. My PT job parking cars at the Atherton paid mostly cash which went toward accumulating a kickass CD collection and audio system on which to play it.
The difference b/w A & B? The guy who pays his own way appreciates the few extra dollars when he can get them. The spoiled brats think bending over to pick up a $5 bll is a hassle.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I'm like, A and a half
My dad’s paying for my college bills (with help from a few small scholarships I’ve accrued), but all other expenses are me. I worked a summer job that’s given me all my spending money, and my grandma chips in whenever I’m running low. God, I love my grandma. But being Jewish, I’m incredibly cheap and don’t spend money, and love to get it, so over the past couple years I’ve “helped” my buddies with papers for a few bucks here and there, and I’m always looking to make money, but not with a job.
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by PSUdevon on Oct 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, if you "helped" buddies with papers
perhaps we shouldn’t have you shadowing Floyd
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Grandma
Sounds hot.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 29, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To this day, I resemble a heroin addict from all the track marks on my arms from Sera-Tec
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was freaky feeling
the cold leftovers being pumped back in and crawling up your arm into your chest. Once was enough for me.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose.
But twice a week, a sixer would level you. Thats a plus. Watching Hook for three hours with a massive needle in your arm for like $50, and thats if you did it twice a week, is pretty lame..
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Oct 29, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be an A
I am paying my own way through, from tuition to housing to everything. My parents are however kind enough to give me interest free loans. And you are absolutely right. I don’t have student tickets, and I am very careful about how I spend my money. To me this years student ticket prices are just too high. This is the first year that student tickets have been so expensive, and too me they are just not worth it. If that makes me a lazy, apathetic, undeserving student then so be it. And I know that I am not the only one who feels the same way. Oh, and I have never missed a game since I started going to PSU. This year I have been confined to buying general admission tickets because they are cheaper than student tickets, however I don’t know if that will be the case for OSU. And there will be no student tickets available for osu anyway so I really dont have a choice on this one.
by scotty2hotty89 on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s the hassle argument, but I meant that most people with season tickets will go to that one game.
Imagine you work football Saturdays, but you want to take off for OSU and Iowa
If you want tickets for OSU and Iowa, you HAVE to pay $250 for season tickets even if you toss the rest of the games – so people don’t go to the lesser games.
You can’t just buy them for $100 (at worst) each from scalpers anymore.
We can get caught up in the details but my point is this: the system restricts the market from working. There is demand to fill the student section if the tickets could be efficiently be distributed through a free exchange without these barriers. The biggest issue is that you can’t sell after Thursday: college kids DON’T PLAN AHEAD.
by PSUMBBtrumpet on Oct 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
… but I meant that most people with season tickets will go to that one game.
Ok, that’s what I was thinking, but I wanted to be sure.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Oct 29, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait until they drop the re-seating bomb on the alumni.
That’s happening for the 2011 season. Personal Seat Licenses and everything. All hell is going to break loose.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Oct 29, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened in the world
that made people in charge think that ABSOLUTE CONTROL over every aspect of something was a good idea? hasn’t it always shown to be the absolute WORST way to run things?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of older folks
Who have been making the bare minimum donation to the NLC club for years and have 50 yard line seats. That’s gonna change.
Also, I’ve read that the band and student section are going to be shifted to sections NEU and NFU.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Oct 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Wouldn’t that be an awful place to put the band and students?
Or are you being sarastic….
by speedomike on Oct 29, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally forgot I posted this before I left for lunch.
Yes, just a joke.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Oct 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RUTS is a harsh moderator
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Oct 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
There are going to be some angry people over that. They better step up the product (i.e. – scheduling) if they want to start charging seating licenses.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 29, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me more about
this Personal Seat License deal?
Am I going to have an opportunity to get more for my 2 grand than 4 nosebleed seats that aren’t even together?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems that way.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Oct 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait.
PSL’s on top of the NLC donation and ticket costs?
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 29, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, depending on the location of the seats.
I think nosebleeds and endzones will be exempt.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Oct 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like I'm going to have
to get a team of uber-math geeks together to extrapolate the most efficient use of my dollars.
NLC Donation = A
Numbered Reserve Parking = B
Preferred Parking = C
Nosebleed seat = X
PSL = Y
Nittany Suite = Z
All right team, figure out the best use of my dollar.
Can I sublet my seat license?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, I worked out the math
donate enough to get four 50 yardline seats about 20-30 rows up, as well as a large RV preferred parking spot, and of course pay the amount to get those as well. Then donate them to my charitable cause (The Organization to Get Me and My Friends Good Seats) and write it all off on your taxes.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be there, on time, and ready to rock
but then again, I’m always there on time and in my seat before the blue band takes the field, so I’m really not the problem.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 29, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A little full of ourselves eh?
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Oct 29, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
just saying, I’m not one of the ones who drinks themselves into oblivion or fails to show up for a game in the student section.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a student
I go to about 1-2 game(s) a year, because my job requires me to work a ton on the weekends. So there is my personal excuse for not being there and taking up a seat, is that good enough for all of you?
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Oct 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s his alternative if he wants to see the two real games, OSU and Iowa? How’s he going to find a student ticket when the price is capped below market value?
by PSUMBBtrumpet on Oct 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is the attitude of there only being "two real games"
Those of us who were in school during the dark years and came to every game didn’t make such distinctions.
by jtw126 on Oct 29, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said this before
And I’ll say it again, most current Penn Staters have no memory of the “dark years.” I was in Maine trying to pass algebra and figuring out what school I wanted to go to. You’re judging us based on your Penn State experiences that we have no memory of. You think that we should be grateful for our tickets since we’re such a great team compared to back then but you have to understand that we never experienced that thus we are unable to know what that felt like. That would be like asking you to be more appreciative of your house because humanity used to live in tents thousands of years ago, you can’t possibly comprehend how lucky you are to live in a house since you never experienced a life living in a tent every single day(my apologies if you are homeless).
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Oct 29, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
You don’t need an appreciation of what it was like to live in the dark years to go to every game in the good years (light years? bright years? sunny years?).
We didn’t go to games BECAUSE we sucked – except for my closet-Pitt fan roommate one year – we went to games because that’s what you do when you have season tickets. You show up.
by jtw126 on Oct 30, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been to every game during my two years here at UP. But I feel the need to defend my fellow students who aren’t on here to defend themselves since the alums on this board feel the need to crap on them all season long.
Minnesota, cold, wet, no gating, treacherous driving. Find one thing to be excited about there. One. I couldn’t, I still went, but I wasn’t very enthusiastic and from where I was standing during that game I could tell that there were A LOT of alums who weren’t very enthusiastic either judging from their even worse attendance at the game. Maybe the athletic department was able to pull the wool over the eyes of students in previous years but this year’s batch of students just aren’t buying it. Akron, Eastern Illinois, Temple, Syracuse (the only one we give a pass on since they weren’t horrible when the contracts were signed), we don’t want to see cupcakes.
If they found something to get excited about early in the season maybe they would find something to be excited about later, but we’re looking at a team whose only true test we lost. They don’t make a distinction between Big 10 and non Big 10 opponents, especially this year where there are only a couple of good Big 10 teams. I don’t rank Minnesota or Indiana much higher than I do our awesome slate of non-con opponents.
To top this all off the ticket exchange system is horrible. Never mind the actual mechanics of how to by and sell, the pure economics of the thing are horrible. Last minute last year you could pick up a Coastal Carolina ticket for about $15. This year you would have to buy that before Thursday afternoon and for at least $30. Maybe in a couple years when the students don’t know what those tickets used to be available for they will actually purchase them but this batch of students isn’t going to let themselves feel cheated because the university wants to sell tickets twice. The system makes the crap games too expensive for the potential buyers to want to buy and makes the good games too cheap for the potential sellers to bother selling. A middling game like Minnesota would probably not be hard to get tickets to. However the snow fell Thursday night after the ticket selling deadline had passed. So by the time students were making the decision to not go it was too late to let someone else take their place.
I think a lot of the attendance this year has to do with that like every year there are people who just for whatever reason, weddings, work, family stuff, just can’t make it to a game. Every other year this wasn’t a problem, they could easily sell the ticket to someone else. This year we have the issue with the market being changed drastically and it just isn’t working.
Say “You show up” all you want but sometimes people can’t and they haven’t for decades and it was never a problem, this year it is and that’s why I think attendance is worse this year, the student body isn’t drastically different from last year. The only thing that has changed is the way tickets are passed between individuals.
So please, don’t crap on the student section for poor attendance against bad teams when there are so many other empty seats spread out through the entire stadium, seats whose ticket holders have a lot more incentive to use due to the money involved in getting them in the first place and should theoretically be just as enthusiastic about Penn State Football as any student should be.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Oct 30, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you KNOW you aren't going to those other games, though
so as long as you sell/give away all your other tickets, then your seat is filled.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 29, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, i don't bother buying season tickets
Not worth the price If I dunno if indeed I’ll get to one, or which one. Plus I don’t need the hassle of trying to sell them, If I know I can get to a game, I just try to find tickets, I can usually find a sweet hookup or reasonably priced from a friend.
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by Roland86 on Oct 29, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then we're not talking about you
We’re talking about students who have season tickets who don’t bother to show up. Don’t be so defensive.
by jtw126 on Oct 30, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a theory
“The Greatest Show” hurts student participation. Before “the greatest show” came about football fans bought tickets. Now our football games aren’t just football games, they are giant raves, so students who are interested in being part of a giant rave, rather than the football team are now buying up tickets. But as we all know, there is usually only one or two games a year that have that rave atmosphere. couple that with the new student ticket policy and we have get empty seats.
by scotty2hotty89 on Oct 29, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs




















