Is The Record War Drawing To A Close?
by Kevin HD on Oct 5, 2009 11:30 AM EDT
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DocSat pulls some recent quotes after Florida State's second straight loss to an unranked opponent and first ever oh-n-two league start. His conclusion?
New university president + Bigwig booster/trustee calling for a coach's head in the newspaper = said coach's head on a platter by December, every time. Barring a full-scale turnaround and an extremely unlikely ACC championship, every meeting of boosters, alumni, administrators, media, fans and local crows will be devolve into a civil war if Bowden is back in 2010.
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No Bowl game?
Even with a dreadful 2-3 start I would think they could win 4 more games this year… but then again I haven’t looked at their schedule… with the way they’ve been playing, maybe they don’t have 4 more winnable games left.
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
by BSmith717 on Oct 5, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They play 7 more 2008 bowl teams
I don’t think they become bowl-eligible this year.
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by kmblue on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they still have
GT, UNC, NCSt, Clemson, Wake, Maryland, Florida.
Loses at Florida, GT, and UNC or NCSt…and Maryland is looking like an ACC disrupter. Honestly, right now in the ACC it looks like any team could lose to any team…except maybe Miami and VT…but I wouldn’t put money on it.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Fair Enough.
I really don’t see 4 winnable games for them there. I’m still not going to completely rule out the possibility of them playing some football in December, but judging from their schedule, it does seem very very doubtful.
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
by BSmith717 on Oct 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
The only one I’d deem as “unwinnable” is Florida. All the others seem like likely losses, except Maryland (beating Clemson was probably a fluke… probably) but if BCS Buster Buster Florida State shows up, they’re winnable. However, the order in which they play their next few games does not help their case. GT is the toughest team they face in the remainder of their schedule, besides Florida, it’s probably a loss. Then they’re 2-4 and have to play a night time road game against a probably (they play Georgia Southern next) 4-2 UNC. Now they’re 2-5. They’ve got to go undefeated against NC State @ Clemson, @ Wake, and Maryland, because they’re not beating Florida. I think they need to get it together VERY soon and pull the upset against Georgia Tech or UNC on the road at night to have a decent chance. If they get down 2-5 I’d put lots and lots of money on them not making it.
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
Everytime they start to write this guy’s obituatry he comes up with something. Three weeks ago they beat BYU in Provo by like four touchdowns. We’ll see how it plays out, but I’d be suprised if they don’t win several more games this year.
Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?
by jesse. on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Given this guy's background,
what are the chances he goes and pulls something like signing with an FCS team to keep coaching a couple more years just so said FCS team gets media recognition? I could see him doing something like that, joining the Jacksonville St. team as “head coach” just so he can stay in the “race” with Joe.
by PSUJunny05 on Oct 5, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised if he didn't
Based on the way his kids talk, and Bowden’s reputation, I really believe if he’s pushed out of FSU he’ll go to an FCS school in Florida and continue coaching. He’ll chase that record until they day he dies.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Oct 5, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he did that just to keep the record race going
i think it would pretty much be universally understood joe is the better coach…and the better man
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 5, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he would never admit to doing just to keep the race going
He would say something stupid like “I’ve still got some good years in me.” and his idiot sons would back that up, maybe even joining him on the sideline (See Kiffin, Lane and Monte). Either way, I see this guy doing something other than bowing out peacefully.
by PSUJunny05 on Oct 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he runs an FCS program into the ground...
I can’t comment on the appearance of Bowden to recruits. Do they go to play for him, out of respect and coaching ability, or do they go to play at Florida State or for Fisher? It would kind of depend on him being able to pull in good recruits to said FCS school, IMO.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 5, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
I can’t believe that never occurred to me. Chances of this seem a lot higher than slight.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Oct 5, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he actually does that, I think that my head would explode. This guy is such a snake.
by Bob Sacamano on Oct 5, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do FCS wins count
toward the Major College wins record? I thought the only reason the Samford wins count is becasue there was no separation of 1A and 1AA at the time.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 5, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are talking I-AA wins included
then isn’t Eddie Robinson the leader?
I’m sure Bowden could get some FBS school to take him though.
by cpm126 on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1A and 1AA were separated
in the late 70’s. I thought 1AA wins after the separation weren’t counted. Since Grambling is still 1AA, Robinson’s wins after the separation don’t count toward wins at a “Major” college program.
That being said Robinson still has 400+ wins total. With Paterno at 386 or so and counting, a few more seasons and it won’t matter.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 5, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cue mention of
John Gagliardi.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 5, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
All wins count, unless they don’t.
Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?
by jesse. on Oct 5, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually
the official stance.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Oct 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a coach
needs to be head coach at an FBS school for 10 years for all coaching wins to count.
by PSUgirl on Oct 5, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please further explain...
Example. Coach Heywood Jablome is the head coach for the USC Gamecocks. He has some decent years winning a total of 80 games, but after 10 years he is replaced.
He takes an assistant position at another school and works his way up to accepting an assistant head coachposition for the TCU Horned Frogs where he generates a buzz as a dynamic recruiter.
He is offered the position of Head Coach with the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs upstart FCS program. Heywood loves Santa Cruz and is very succesful running the program. After 35 years he retires with 350 victories.
How many major college victories has Heywood accumulated?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 5, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Less than Joe Paterno
But in all seriousness, I think the sole purpose of this “rule”, such as it is, is to grandfather in Bobby Bowden’s Samford wins. I mean other than for this one situtation (Paterno/Bowden) what is the purpose of this rule?
I believe that the legal term for this is Bill of Attainder, ie. a law drafted to specifically deal with one circumstance. Which is unconstitutional, FWIW.
Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?
by jesse. on Oct 5, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 350 wins
were just the Banana Slug FCS victories. He had 80 at a D1 school for a total of 430.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 5, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why FCS
Surely he should be able to find a position at a FBS school. Why wouldn’t he take a position at a Virginia, or at least float the idea to rattle FSU?
FSU should be skewered for Jimbo’s contract. Was he in such high demand that they had to put in the $5M clause?
Do all of my paragraphs need to end with a question?
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by Captain Hairdo on Oct 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m gonna call it right now that Bowden will coach elsewhere in FBS if he is forced out.
JoePa in '09
by JGuiher on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he wouldn't even need FBS I don't think
since all wins count as long as you have what, like 10 years in the FBS?
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if I buy this boosetr arguement
I’m sure for every booster that wants him gone there are at least 1 or 2 that are saying if you fire Bobby not on his terms we will pull our support.
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Oct 5, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's getting uglier
Ann Bowden (Bobby’s wife) is digging her heels in.
I wish I could say I was happier about all of this. But I’m not.
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by Run Up The Score on Oct 5, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The comments are unbelievable.
it seems like everyone in Tallahassee not named Bowden is ready for this guy to leave. I know we all had out “Fire Joe” moment earlier this decade, but no one (I hope) wanted to run the man completely out of town. At the worst, THE WORST, it was get him off the field. Hell, maybe even promote him to AD, but never get him out of town. Jeez, this thing is big, bigger than you, and you are not me.
by PSUJunny05 on Oct 5, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My impression
Based on some of the articles I read today, is that Tomahawk Nation is roughly the equivalent of www.firebobbybowden.com. It may be more representative of one niche group of fans than all of the fans generally. But I really don’t know.
Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?
by jesse. on Oct 5, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomahawknation
seems to have their own Rambler. MattDNole goes crazy with replying to himself. Whatever, ours is better.
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 5, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 5, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to look at my avatar
So pretty
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 5, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Bowden thing shows the divide
between he and JoePa. It begins and ends with respect and integrity. Yeah, both fanbases and schools had their moments of doubt in each leader but JoePa prevailed and will coach as long as he wants to because of what he’s done on AND off the field, where as Bowden hasn’t built up any off the field equity so FSU basically put a termination date in his future with the Jimbo contract.
by RNF18 on Oct 5, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I never really felt one way or the other about Bowden
Until recently. For the last few years, it seems like every interview I heard with him (or one of his boys) mentioned “the record”. And that’s when I decided I really didn’t like the guy. Coach because you love the game, your university, the players. Not because you gotta have the most wins. I know he always tried to “joke” about beating Paterno, but if I heard Joe talking about it that way, I would be a little disappointed in him.
And if he goes on to another school to coach, that just confirms he was only in it for the wins. Could you imagine Joe going to another school after PSU? Just enjoy retirement, whether it’s your decision or someone elses. You’ve earned this time to relax.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Oct 5, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunate
I want Joe to have the record, but I like Coach Bowden and it’s sad that it’s ending this way.
We’re seeing the end of an era, as far as coaches. I think some of the changes are for the better, but in general, coaches today are less interesting and more corporate.
by CDRS on Oct 5, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bowden's will just claim the most family wins.
Until HC Jaypa overtakes the sons.
"Wherever you go, Penn State will go with you. You are now a part of her. Her image will be cast in your image. Your reputation will become her reputation."
by noodlebucket on Oct 5, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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