It's Up To You
by Run Up The Score on Oct 6, 2009 10:10 PM EDT
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i seriously thought this guy was gonna give joe a heart attack
I DON’T KNOW!!!!!!!!1
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems pretty obvious that Cory is worked up over the fact that we’re playing an IAA school… and he makes a few valid points (about ticket prices and strength of schedule, etc). But it seems like he’s taking it out on Joe. You can hear the contempt in his voice as he asks those questions.
Shouldn’t he be bombarding the athletic department with these questions?
by GreatScawt on Oct 6, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The guy clearly has an agenda, and he's set on confronting Paterno about it.
Ticket prices? Seriously? Is Giger on some kind of Everyman Crusade for the little guy, standing up for the consumer who shouldn’t have to pay what the market will bear for a game against an inferior opponent?
Give me a break. If you don’t want to pay $50+ for the game, then don’t. The fact that over 100,000 people will line up to pay just that sum seems to make Giger’s the minority opinion.
"Dr. Samuel Johnson's right about Olson Johnson being right."
by mushdamma on Oct 6, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly had an agenda
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by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 7, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Don’t get me started on ticket prices. We live in America. Supply and Demand. If people want to pay $50-$60 to watch I-AA Eastern Illinois, then that’s what the ticket is worth. If they don’t they can choose not to go to the game. It’s that simple.
The question Penn State will ask is not whether they should lower ticket prices for the cupcake games, but raise them for the big games like Iowa and Ohio St.
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by fugimaster24 on Oct 6, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
For the supply and demand reference. The correct ticket price is the highest that will still fill the stadium. It’s disappointing how few people in the world understand basic economic concepts like this.
by PSUMark2008 on Oct 6, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember...
No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you into Beaver Stadium when the Youngstown State’s and Coastal Carolina’s of the world come calling.
"Dr. Samuel Johnson's right about Olson Johnson being right."
by mushdamma on Oct 6, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even think the current ticket price is the highest that will fill the stadium
so…yeah
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 7, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
Not even close. It shouldn’t be, either. The University is not trying to turn a profit off of its kids.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Oct 8, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree
about the University’s intentions with its own students and offer the new ticket system as evidence.
However, I do agree that student ticket prices shouldn’t be “the highest that will still fill the stadium.” I was referring to non-student tickets.
by PSUMark2008 on Oct 8, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Academically sure.....
but in reality people have become more and more incapable of distinguishing a want from a need. Consquently, even though people pay x amount for a ticket (possibly striking the equilibrium you are talking about) that doesn’t mean they feel like it was a fair price.
What I thought was interesting was the comment Paterno made about counting I-AA wins towards bowl eligibility. That means you have double the financial incentive to schedule I-AA teams vs. all BCS teams. Payday during the game while padding your stats to ensure you get the bowl payoff and free TV advertising for your school.
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by ech2os on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Whenever people complain about the ticket prices for the crap games like Eastern Illinois, I always ask if they’d be happier with a cheaper face value for such a game if they had to pay something like $100 or more for a ticket to see tOSU. If you feel the overall price for season tickets is too high for the value you get, don’t buy the tickets (which the complainers seem unwilling to do, which suggests the price is fair).
That said, I do think that PSU should have seperate prices for different games, if only to allow for selling individual tickets to games like EIU and Temple at decrease prices (which may help them sellout, which they didn’t do this season against all the patsies).
by Laaaaazzz on Oct 6, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure they sold out
not all the season ticket holders (aka old alumni) showed up
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didn't
None of the 4 non-conference games have been sellouts. You can go to ticketmaster right now and buy tickets for the EIU game. I’m not talking resales, I’m talking tickets right from PSU.
by Laaaaazzz on Oct 6, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i stand corrected
i didn’t even know they sold through ticketmaster…though i should have assumed that since they sell the student tickets through that garbage service
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, we have a freaking IST college on campus
have some of the website geeks set up a system where we dont have to pay a “convenience fee” for an electronic ticket no less, just for using someone else’s website when we buy our tickets.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 6, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an IST grad,
website geek, and armchair economist, I find the current student ticket system amusing, in an ironic, kind of annoyed, and sucks-for-the-current-students kind of way.
The fact is, from the University’s perspective, this new system works perfectly. It was never about reducing costs to students (that was just the stated reason to make it sound good). It was about increasing revenue. Now, the University has total control over who can and can’t purchase student tickets, and anytime there’s a transaction (other than the free forwarding of tickets), the University makes money on it. They REALLY cash in if you want to bring a non-student with you – even more than they did before.
(Yes, there are workarounds – for instance, if you want to buy an OSU ticket, good luck finding it on the TicketExchange site. You’ll have to go on eBay/craigslist and bid to pay someone in cash who will then forward it to you for “free.” There’s also always the use-somebody-else’s-ID-technique, but the new ticket system still gives PSU a ton of new income.)
As far as TicketMaster – yes, if you put a bunch of CSE/IST students together (and paid them enough) they could probably come up with a decent system. The problem is, you need a lot of web server horsepower to handle the traffic that site would get, especially when it’s time to buy season tickets in the summer. This is the reason PSU switched to TicketMaster in the first place (the 2006 student ticket sale crashed the PSU servers). It was more cost effective for the University to partner w/ TicketMaster than it was to upgrade their web server environment. The “convenience fee” is really just transferring some of the cost of the PSU’s contract w/ TicketMaster to the students.
by PSUMark2008 on Oct 7, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just don't understand why
they don’t just come out and be honest about it. i mean, i’m not stupid (i think) i realize it’s much easier for them to just pick one benefit and not acknowledge the downsides…but if they were upfront to students in the beginning, there wouldn’t be as much rage and annoyance. of course, the ticketmaster thing started my senior year and i got tickets…so i’m not one to have too many gripes.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw they hadn't sold out when the season began,
but I figured they would eventually sell once the season started. I would imagine being called out as one of the worst schedules in the country has had a negative effect on all of our OOC ticket sales, not just EIU. I wonder where the risk/reward evens out with this. Maybe, with the four non-sellouts it would actually be better to give a bigger payout to a Div. 1 school.
by markpsu on Oct 8, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way
How much could you get for selling your tOSU ticket this year? 150-250? Higher if they’re better seats? But if you got season tickets, you payed 50-60 for that ticket, as well as Eastern Illinois. Does that not balance that out? The ticket for a junk opponent, no offense to them or anything, is probably worth half of what you paid for it, depending on the opponent, possibly less for EIU. And even if you bought the ticket you can try to sell it online if you’re an alumni, and still make some of your money back.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 6, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my personal example...
4 seats x 8 games x 55 = $1760 + parking.
Living out of state, I attend 2 games/year and try to sell the rest. This year I was not able to sell all my unused tickets (2 Akron, 4 Syracuse, 4 Temple, 4 EIU) = 14 × 55 = $770. (Why doesn’t the PSU Ticket Exchange allow you to sell for less than face value?)
My Iowa and OSU seats cost me $151.25 ea.
Could I have bought them cheaper in the secondary market? Maybe, but then I wouldn’t have had the personal satisfaction of helping the Levi Lamb Scholarship fund to the tune of $1500.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Oct 7, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Secondary Market Value
I tried to get tickets to the Iowa game and they were running between $150 and $175 a ticket. I haven’t done the actual math because I’m not considering going to the OSU game but from what I saw, they are going for more.
So even with your loses, you actually got a better deal than those of us who don’t have season tickets.
BTW: Those are Ebay prices which are lower (usually) than PSU Ticket Exchange, StubHub, etc…
by yopawdre on Oct 8, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take JoePa's side on just about everything
but this is something that really irks me. D-1A teams shouldn’t play D-1AA schools. At best, it’s a boring game. At worst, you have an Appalachian State moment. We have nothing to gain and a lot to loose (not that I think there’s any real chance they’ll beat us) by playing EIU.
It’s stupid to ask the head coach about things that aren’t up to him (like ticket prices), but you can’t say that you were “fortunate enough to be able to get a good team like Eastern Illinois with a good football tradition and a fine program” with a straight face. Yes, I know Joe always talks up the opponent, but that’s ridiculous. EIU was put on the schedule because they’re an easy win and they’d gladly come to our house with no demand for reciprocity. Period. Trying to dress it up as anything else is just stupid.
I know it’s not Joe’s fault we’re playing them, but the athletic office should take a lot of crap for this (and the rest of our ridiculous OoC schedule this year). Yeah, everyone else does it, but we’re Penn State. Do we want to settle for everyone else’s standards?
/end rant
by PSUMark2008 on Oct 6, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This game is the NCAA's fault
Allowing the 12th game gave us this travesty. If no one thought that all the programs weren’t going to take the money and run they were crazy.
I haven’t watched the video yet but from what I’ve read the dude should have let it go. There’s no reason to get snippy at a press conference. He doesn’t owe any reporters anything.
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by psuphiman80 on Oct 6, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-AA teams come cheap. The university makes a couple extra 100K bringing in Eastern Illinois than bringing in Kent St. And that’s a heck of a lot of volleyball uniforms and lacrosse sticks and fencing equipment. Not to mention gas and hotel money for those teams.
Personally, I don’t really care about playing 1-AA teams — a cupcake is a cupcake. I’m more concerned about seeing us play 2 BCS conference teams in the OOC schedule than upgrading from Eastern Illinois to Ball St.
by Laaaaazzz on Oct 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully
Ed and the boys can start to have some continued success so that we can sell out the BJC on a regular basis, and maybe take a little pressure off of football to fund the rest of the athletic dept.
by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 6, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hold your breath
They’re just gonna take the money and invest it in the other sports even more. More money more stuff.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Oct 7, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The football team ain’t chagin’ unless the philosophy changes.
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by psuphiman80 on Oct 7, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the clip
was sitting at my computer not paying attention and all of a sudden heard Joe Pa screaming, and my DVR was backed up so I couldn’t rewind (OMGSOSAD) and missed what he was screaming about. Anyway, while I’m at it, /whatfugisaid
by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 6, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got douche-chills listtening to that reporter's quavering voice.
"Dr. Samuel Johnson's right about Olson Johnson being right."
by mushdamma on Oct 6, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Joe calls it what it is.
Financial, nothing more.
"How many things do you do where you are involved with 110,000 other people on the same page? Unless you're in an English class cheating with 30 other guys."
by psu on Oct 6, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In way, it was a little interesting to see Joe kinda sorta acknowledge that this game is what it is: a paid asskicking.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Oct 6, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't that testy
I will say that a lot of fans and reporters have a more romantic view of college football than those who are involved in it, which is why Corey would ask such questions, and why JoePa responded the way he did.
by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 6, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I did like
the "are you really that stupid’ look that joe had on his face for most of that response prior to the hackmaster pressing on for no reason at all…
AND… and i can’t find a clip to save my life but you’ll see it for sure.. at least joe didn’t make a sexist remark to corey. see Bowden, Bobby it’s out there, i just saw it on the news and killing myself to find a link
by mbailey71 on Oct 6, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
meh
i’m assuming what he meant was something involving woman asking too many questions or something…
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 6, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never mind the content of the video or the arguement
but journalistically, this is pretty embarrassing.
by lendamico on Oct 6, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad to see this.
I occasionally am forced to suffer through Cory Giger’s awful voice on my way home from work, and he is, in nearly every way, awful to listen to. I feel as though he embarasses himself like this once a week during Joe’s pressers. If you listen close, you can hear him every week asking a question that anyone who has ever even heard of Penn State and Joe Paterno knows not to ask. There is etiquette to these things, and the man obviously is not familiar with it.
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by BSmith717 on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
Giger has learned from the best at antagonizing and annoying Joe. For 20 + years Neil Rudel was the lone reporter for the Mirror at the weekly presser. Every week he would go down the list of the questions you know not to ask and find 10 ways to ask them. Honestly, I think it’s hysterical whether it’s Giger or Rudel…anything to cut through the standard “EUI (Temple, Cincy, La Tech etc) is a great football team”, “we got a lot of work to do”, type of answers is good with me.
by BBDC on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does he think he's going to catch joe off guard or something?
like you said, we ALL KNOW what joe is going to say. we could be playing a HS team and joe would say the same thing. so why bother bringing it up. i don’t need to hear joe say anything. maybe if it’s UM, tOSU, iowa or some quality non-conference team, there is not a whole lot of interesting or enlightening things joe can let us in on.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This man..
makes me embarassed to say that I’m going to school for a Mass Media Communications degree.. well, barely.
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Oct 7, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
barely going to school
not barely embarassed.. just to clarify..
/walks away even more embarassed…
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Oct 7, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a horse's ass.
Paterno showed remarkable restraint, imho.
by Spankster on Oct 7, 2009 5:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He said "one last thing" like three times
Douchea
by speedomike on Oct 7, 2009 6:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He had way to much aggression in his voice
I hate playing Div. 1-AA schools & I have already vowed to never attend another one. However, it’s not Joe’s fault. Also, I wonder if Joe always carries around that list just in case he is attacked on it. Or was it given to him by an assistant just because its hate week?
by markpsu on Oct 7, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wondering that same thing...
that list pull was great and the read even better. Go bother an SEC team you hack. They have like OMG 10 TEAMS IN THE TOP 5 spots blah blah blah I give two sh**s but no one hammers their schedule like teams outside of the OMG SEC.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Oct 8, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does RUTS think?
About this exchange, Giger’s approach and JoePa’s style and content in answering?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 7, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HA!
Joe pulled out a piece of paper with other schools that play Div 1a programs.. then kept running down the list while this drip Giger kept talking… nicely done Joe.
ESPN’s Rittenburg occasionally posts some articles in the lunch links from this Giger guy… they all seem to have the same theme. Go after Joe for the schedule. Does he really think Joe creates the whole schedule?
by RudyWasOffsides on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry
**Div 1AA (or FCS)
btw…how much you wanna bet joe will never remember this whole stupid FBS/FCS garbage
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Oct 7, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops my bad… Div 1AA. And your right, Joe will never remember nor does he care about the FBS/FCS. He would probably say, you have be careful no matter who you play because there are a few good football players on that team and if we don’t watch out, we’ll get licked.
by RudyWasOffsides on Oct 7, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Few decent kids
Joe actually made a decent point about the talent distribution. Since there is no waiting period for transferring to a FCS school(plus teh schollie limit), there is a decent amount of D1 talent playing at these places. Just look who left here for FCS. This EIU team has a couple former Hawkeyes, a couple UF kids and kid from UM. Not enough to make the team a powerhouse, but enough to win a big game if the cards fall right.
That is not to say these teams have the overall talent to compete at the FCS level(they don’t), but the difference between a decent FCS school and the dregs of FBS really isn’t much at all. In the end, as has been said before is that a cupcake is a cupcake is a cupcake. It just makes fiscal sense for a school to buy a cheaper cupcake, especially if it tastes the same.
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by Roland86 on Oct 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JoePa, The Movie
I got a complete Joe Pesci vibe from this presser. I either wanted JoePa to go off like Pesci in this scene, or maybe Pesci should play JoePa in the eventual movie *NSFW
by Pentimental on Oct 7, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase a famous dean: Arrogant, annoying, and confrontational
is no way to go through life, son. I understand the need to sell newspapers and the need to come up with fresh story angles to accomplish that, but playing Gotcha with Joe on something like this looks misdirected and futile.
by jerseywilds on Oct 7, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 to Joe
I dont see a problem playing a IAA. Gives Sean another week to get a better, the team and O-Line more time to get it together. And you can’t Win the game before you play it..Maybe we could get a tougher OCC, but atleast we aren’t 70 point favorites like Florida is.
by Flyersman on Oct 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giger
Part of the problem is just two weeks ago, Giger told Jopa, at the weekly press conference, that the stadium should be renamed Paterno Field. Two weeks after that brown nosing he comes up with this. Could he be desperate to make a name for himself? Giger has a history of talking out of both sides of his mouth. There are also his occasional outlandish opinions such as a few years ago when he said Peyton Manning is overated. Yesterday on his radio show he said Troy Polamalu is only the 17th or 18th best NFL defensive player. Oh, really? Daily Altoona Mirror readers know he has a five word vocabulary: horrible, awful, terrible, lousy, stinks.
by Skybox on Oct 7, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love it LOVE it...
…don’t have sound on my computer right now so just watched the video, noted some of the priceless faces Joe made while suffereing through the questions when Geiger was talking then came on and read the commets LMAO!!!!!!!!!
by JoePaMustStay on Oct 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
EASTERN ILLINOIS TICKETS
Sold our 4 seats in WBU easily in late August via Stub Hub. Broke even and was happy to unload them!
Carl
by cwood57 on Oct 8, 2009 7:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Giger
And all the journalists who have to sit through these things. Think about it from their perspective. First of all, this is their job. They have to be there because they have to get paid so they can pay the bills. His editor is expecting a story the next day. Joe only tolerates these things for about 20 minutes. You get one, maybe two questions. If you’re lucky, Joe is in a good mood and decides to answer one of them. If Joe is in an so-so mood he tells you he doesn’t care and you can go ahead and write whatever you want. If he’s in a bad mood you get pwned and told you don’t know what you’re talking about.
So guys like Giger who sit through these things have to take odd angles in their questions to elicit a response. I don’t blame them for it, and I don’t think they are doing it to be sensational and draw attention to themselves.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pander, pander, pander
What do YOU think RUTS thinks?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 8, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I tried them and they suck...
all I heard was CG barely clearly pryoring to his editor boss, asking him to not make him ask JoPa any more odd angled questions.
/ credit Cairo
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by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 8, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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