2,710 Calories Of Mediocrity May Have To Wait
by Run Up The Score on Nov 10, 2009 10:01 AM EST
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Don't call the cardiologist quite yet.
After a few days of OMG WE'RE GOING TO THE ALAMO BOWL, it's time to take a look at reality. And while reality may be a traffic cone or a stop sign that can't block Cam Heyward, it also tells us that Penn State's BCS hopes aren't quite dead yet:
Can’t believe it’s true? Oh, it’s true. With Notre Dame slumped out of the picture by virtue of its home loss to Navy, your Nittany Lions are still very much a candidate for one of the four major bowls that surround the crown of the BCS championship game.
They might need some help. Or they might not. Either way, if the Lions merely take care of business against a pair of pedestrian Big Ten opponents, they are still prime candidates for at-large spots in either the Orange or Fiesta bowls.
Yes, we’re talking about the Lions being chosen over an unbeaten Boise State ranked in the top six in the BCS’ own ratings system. As it stands, nothing behooves a BCS bowl to take the Broncos. And for all the attention their wondrous upset of Oklahoma got three years ago in the Fiesta, the TV ratings for the game stank.
Yes, we mean the Lions would without question be chosen over a 1-loss Cincinnati, a 1-loss TCU and very probably a 2-loss Iowa.
A look at the current BCS standings shows that Penn State is in a decent stalking position:
1. Florida (9-0) .9842
2. Alabama (9-0) .9516
3. Texas (9-0) .9234
4. TCU (9-0) .8620
5. Cincinnati (9-0) .8580
6. Boise State (9-0) .8126
7. Georgia Tech (9-1) .7552
8. LSU (7-2) .6138
9. USC (7-2) .5922
10. Iowa (9-1) .5745
11. Ohio State (8-2) .5733
12. Pittsburgh (8-1) .5628
13. Oregon (7-2) .5318
14. Miami, Fla. (7-2) .4712
15. Houston (9-1) .4691
16. Utah (8-1) .4003
17. Arizona (6-2) .3363
18. Penn State (8-2) .3350
19. Oklahoma State (7-2) .2909
Remember, the key is getting into the top 14. The Iowa-Ohio State loser likely tumbles out after Saturday. Pitt's remaining schedule is Notre Dame, @WVU, and Cincinnati. Utah plays @TCU, SDSU, and the Holy War @BYU. Even Cincy isn't out of the woods yet -- they have games against WVU, oddly resurgent Illinois, and a visit to Pitt. Arizona's remaining schedule is downright murderous (@Cal, Oregon, @ASU, USC). They'll be long gone by Selection Day, but if they happen to win out, Oregon and/or USC may be gone.
For once, there's an advantage to the Big Ten schedule ending in mid-November. Penn State just has to win their last two games and hope that the BCS field comes back to them. Does Penn State deserve to be in a BCS bowl game? No. Will it result in a horribly lopsided matchup, and bump up the competition for the rest of the Big Ten's bowl matchups? Yeah, probably. Does such a scenario cause ESPN talking heads to explode in outrage due to Penn State's soft schedule and a non-AQ school like Boise getting screwed? Oh, hell yes. But with hundreds of thousands of overzealous and free-spending fans, we remain an attractive choice for Orange and Fiesta bowl officials who need to move tickets and trinkets. For better or worse.
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I really, truly hope we don't get picked over Boise if we're eligible
For me, it’s because we used to be in a similar position as Boise long ago.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Undefeated Boise, I should say
If they lose to Idaho, then screw em.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw Boise State
I couldn’t care less about another program. I just want what is best for Penn State and to a lesser degree the big ten. If the big ten gets 2 teams into BCS games that is more money for every team.
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure stretching out the Big Ten's bowl bids is a good idea
I don’t really care that much anyway since I’m not convinced we’ll beat MSU.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think stretching out our bowl bids is the only trhing taht could help the big ten. I mean if we only send tOSU to the rose bowl and even if they beat Oregon tWWL will still be flapping their jaw about how USC beat them in Columbus. But if we can get into a BCS game and win also it gives a little more credence to our conference.
Will it be easy? No, if it was easy everyone would be doing it
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if OSU beats oregon
then any arguments including OSU losing to USC become sort of irrelevant. how can you continue to use that argument if OSU beats the team that destroyed USC? it wouldn’t make any sense…god knows that espn will try.
and i realize CFB exists in a bubble. i’m just saying that the line of logic usually used by espn (team A beat team B, team B beat team C, so team A should beat team C) will be broken.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if OSU beat oregon
then any arguments including OSU losing to USC become sort of irrelevant. how can you continue to use that argument if OSU beats the team that destroyed USC? it wouldn’t make any sense…god knows that espn will try.
and i realize CFB exists in a bubble. i’m just saying that the line of logic usually used by espn (team A beat team B, team B beat team C, so team A should beat team C) will be broken.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
work internet connection FAIL
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Nov 10, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can people make that arguement?
Go to any Pitt blog and they will still be talking about how they beat Iowa last year….
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Nov 10, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're joking, right?
Have you seen the polls this week? USC is ranked above Oregon, even though Oregon beat them 10 days ago. Sense doesn’t enter it.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 10, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would use the F-word multiple times if we were on BHGP
but I freaking hate the BCS, and this exhibit 1-freaking-A. I don’t pretend to have a better alternative, and any sort of logical alternative would be vetoed as soon as they realized they wouldn’t rake in as much cash.
It’s not even Hate Week for USC (although it can always be hate week for the Fighting Prophylactics), but I will let the hate flow anyway.
I despise the University of Southern California. I hate their douchebag fans (from my experience at last year’s Rose Bowl), who much like ND fans are too stupid to make it into the university, yet root for them like they went there anyway while they quickly hide their “degree” in fast food management from [Enter County here] Community College or HS diploma or lack thereof. And I can’t stand their pompous attitudes that they should be in the MNC every year, despite the fact they lost one game to a lesser opponent yet seem to ignore that fact.
I hate their classless players, who while the rest of the world knows are getting some illegal perks for attending, will get off scott-free (along with the University’s AD) with a multi-million contract in the NFL. I despise the way their players act like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. I hate that they have no respect for anyone but themselves and will (at least one of them for sure) go for a kill-shot on an opponent with no provocation other than he wants to see himself up in lights for making a “sweet hit” that could end their life or the life of another player.
I hate their Zugdamn fight song. This gets no explanation.
I loath that idiot coach who will travel the country and promise recruits the world, only to not give two sh*ts when that highly touted recruit is buried in the depth chart when a new, more flashy recruit catches Ol’ Pete’s eye.
But most of all, I hate seeing their names STILL in the top ten of the latest rankings, just because they’re USC, and they must be good, right? I cannot stand seeing them not punished for losses to lesser opponents, whom if any non-SEC team lost to would be catapulted down into the 20s in the next rankings. If there is any good left in the world, that school and their athletic program will be swallowed into the Earth down into the fiery pits of Hell, or the red hot magma of the Earth’s mantle where they’ll incinerate so quickly that it won’t be an agonizing enough punishment suitable for their crimes against all things good left in college sports.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 12, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More fuel for the fire
After that horrible bench pressing accident where Stafon Johnson’s throat was crushed
when the bar slipped, Pete said:
"We’re disappointed obviously that he got banged up and he’s hurt," Carroll said.
Seriously, disappointed?
Nice rant, BTW
by confirmy on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s the biggest issue. I don’t think we’d likely play a much tougher team in the BCS versus the Citrus versus the Outback. But bumping all the Big Ten teams up one bowl could make other results for the conference less likely to be positive. I mean, it would be nice if we can actually send a team to the Motor City Bowl and face a MAC team instead of having all our bowls versus BCS conference teams.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"For all the attention their wondrous upset of Oklahoma got three years ago in the Fiesta"
Just as an aside, didn’t it seem like Ian Johnson played at Boise State for like ten years?
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 10, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It was at least 12
He made Joe Crispin and Geary Claxton look like one and done guys.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Nov 10, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So they can either go to the BCS, which I hope doesn't happen
or go to the Outback and play a 5 loss SEC team. That’s quite a spread.
by cpm126 on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Deserving
As Clint Eastwood says in Unforgiven, “Deservin’ s got nothing to do with it”.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
But he ALSO said:
“A man’s got to know his limitations.” What a great movie. Takes all the glory out of killing in the Old West, shows it to be a gut-wrenching ordeal that makes a man question his very being, then puts all that glory right back out there and has you screaming for him to kill someone else.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
by NittanyTide on Nov 10, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowl Games...
are weird. The outcome is rarely based on how the regular season played out. Hot teams go cold. Teams that couldn’t score all year put up 50 points.
The BCS games are about $$$. They want the teams that put the most a$$e$ in the seats and spend the most in the host city. That’s the game, so I don’t think there is any shame if PSU gets picked for one. It would a.) increase the $ in PSU’s coffers, and b.) a selling point for recruiting (Come here and you play on the biggest stages, like we’ve done three times in the last 5 years, etc…)
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God, I never realized how truly appropriate this quote is:
“It’s a helluva thing, Penn State beating Michigan. They take away all they’ve got and all they ever had.”
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
I think this is a big case of “getting your hopes up”
We’re a long shot, we’re probably not even the 4th most deserving team on that list, and we’ll be crushed by the media.
This is the one year, above any other, that the B10 should only get 1 BCS bid.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just want one marquee win this year
so much the better if it comes with a bcs paycheck. Frankly, we might face an easier matchup playing the acc or big east winner than LSU.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
this is very true, I’d take any Big East, ACC, or even B12 team over anyone in the top 4 of the SEC. They would simply demolish our O-line.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you watched LSU....
Not impressive. Really they should have lost to the Dawgs. That game was stolen from Georgia by very suspect officiating. Enough so for the SEC to issue a verbal reprimand to the crew (the crew was finally suspended after the Arkansas game). This whole BCS talk is frustrating. I would love for PSU to play in the BCS, but following the loss to the Bucks had resigned myslef to the fact that we were most likely playing in the Captial One against LSU. Guess I will just buy tickets anyway and hope to sell them if PSU goes elsewhere.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LSU
Also deserved to lose to Washington, but snuck one by them too.
My point is any team with half a defensive front 4 will absolutely shut down this offense, and if there’s one strength to that team it’s their defensive front 4.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LSU ranks 8th in scoring defense, 20th in total defense, but 97th in sacking defense
FWIW.
They give me the same impression I get from many SEC teams: very good defense and anemic offense.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mississippi State
If we’re talking about games LSU should have lost, the Miss State game was the one.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Nov 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When LSU became a possibility for an opponent
I started looking around some LSU sites and such to find out how their D-Line is. It seems they started the year expecting to have a great d-line but, as the stat Rambler pointed out indicates, 97th in sacking defense, they’re struggling to get pressure on quarterbacks and the fans are overall disappointed with their D-line. They might not be too bad.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 10, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who wants to bet that...
LSU has a good defensive line and an athletic secondary? I’ll even give you odds.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 10, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I only want a fun opponent
I’m likely not traveling this bowl season, so I just want a competitive opponent that will give us a good game without a crushing defeat. It’s critical to our program that we can demonstrate to ourselves that we have improved. Ohio State is very freakin good, but we need to show ourselves that we can bounce back from that arsekickin.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As I said in another thread, I think PSU has a very good shot at making the BCS if they win out. The biggest variable would be Texas winning the Big 12 and getting that conference’s automatic bid (because they’ll use up an at large bid if they don’t win the Big 12).
Do I think PSU would be deserving at 10-2? Heck no. I mean, if nothing else, I would think a 10-2 Iowa (assuming they lose to tOSU) would have earned it more than us given the head to head. But bowl are not about being “deserved”, they are about money.
That said, I’m not so sure that we would be that poorly off in a BCS bowl. Our most likely opponent would be Georgia Tech in the Orange Bowl. They have a funky offense, but having a month to prepare for it would be huge and their defense doesn’t seem to be all that great. I don’t know if they’d be a more difficult opponent than, say, LSU in the Capital One Bowl.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how disciplined our linebackers are...
but given the fact that Wake should have beat Tech this weekend, I like our chances with a month to prepare.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Nov 10, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’ve been hoping we’d get Tech in a bowl game while Paul Johnson is coach for quite some time. I feel like we’d match up really well with them.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 10, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as much fat as 67 strips of bacon...
though not nearly as delicious
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We all know what PSU's faults are, but...
All of the teams that we would be in contention for a BCS spot with have their own deficiencies and bad games. I would definitely want them to make a BCS bowl if possible…and I don’t think there is any reason to apologize for it. I don’t see the point of hoping for us to play in a lesser bowl. We have avoided playing enough tough teams for the season that we should be plenty rested. And what is there to lose? The Big Ten already has a poor reputation, so if we lose it is not going to change, but if we win, then maybe that process back to respectability begins.
I think our biggest obstacle is to whether Iowa would be chosen over us. The 2 teams per conferences rule would then kill our chances. I think beating us head-to-head is obviously a big factor in their favor, but over the course of the season, I think there are plenty of flaws in their resume too (especially if they have a bad loss to Ohio St this weekend). The perception of us is not good, but the perception of Iowa is that they have squeaked by in a bunch of games this year…don’t forget the OOC games as well.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What would work against Iowa is their overall impression of them of being “lucky” (not good) plus losing 2 of their last 3 to end the season plus possibly not having their starting QB. I could definitely see them being chosen over us if we both end 10-2 — but I think we’d likely be chosen over the Hawkeyes.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 10, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa
It would definitely be close with them. As I posted in another thread, I think Iowa fans will travel well too, plus I may be wrong but, I don’t think PSU fans will be as excited to make the trip to the Orange or Fiesta after what most perceive to be a disappointing season. Making a BCS/big-time bowl game is more rare for Iowa fans to see so I think they would travel just as well or even better than PSU fans this year. I do think the name “Penn State” still does bring in TV ratings which could also be a factor.
I will also say that I HATE the fact that the reasons mentioned above are actually what determines who makes a bowl game…it should definitely be things like head-to-head and performance, not popularity. I guess we are lucky that our team is more popular.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do disappointing seasons end in the Orange Bowl?
If they do, since when?
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 10, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You say most perceive to be a disappointing season
I agree with jesse. I don’t agree with “most”.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but Iowa was looking like a Big Ten title winner/Rose Bowl participant and had a realistic shot at the BCS championship game just a few days ago. If they end up losing again and finishing 10-2, it’s probably very deflating for their fan base to go from 9-0 and hopeful to 10-2 and kinda meh (including losing their starting QB).
I’m just saying, both PSU and Iowa — should they both finish 10-2 — have aspects of their performance that would turn off fans towards traveling as much as they might otherwise.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BCS
Any time your program has a chance to play in the BCS you have to be excited about that. We can’t look at it as “we might lose” or it would be “better for our program to get an easier game”. Everyone bitched about the non-con this year, well the BCS gives us the best non-conference opportunity of the entire season.
by hbeach08 on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope we go to a BCS bowl
I doubt we will at this point, but I always want a matchup against the best team available. You’ll never know where you stand in the pecking order if you don’t play and beat the best.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if BCS or not
I just hope the team doesn’t have a really good defense.
No. 2—You are so lucky he barely fumbled the ball PSU fans.
by psu on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Will it result in a horribly lopsided matchup, and bump up the competition for the rest of the Big Ten’s bowl matchups? Yeah, probably.
I’m not so sure about that first part. You’ll have Texas and Florabama in the MNC, that leaves (and I’m guessing here):
Florabama The Lesser
For this discussion, us
TCU
Cincinnati
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Ohio State (but we can’t play them)
USC
How many of those teams would clearly kick our tails? The SEC team, probably, and USC has an okay defense (26th in points, 44th in yards), so maybe…but other than that?
I still maintain that our issue isn’t that we aren’t very good, but that we’ll get killed by a team with a strong d-line every. single. time. It just sucks that two of the best ones in the nation are on our schedule.
All that said I still would love LSU in the CapOne.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
and as I post this
I’m worried I messed up the 8 selections, so correct me if I’m wrong. But also keep in mind I went with the “best” teams…there’s no reason a crappy ACC team couldn’t win the champ game or something even weirder goes on in the Pac10 or BE….all of those would likely lower the talent level in the BCS pool.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Fla State winning the ACC in 2005 wasn't really anticipated.
by Spats on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Virginia Tech would have been a good matchup too.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a little ironic that our defense is built perfectly to stop our offense.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 10, 2009 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say more "friggen annoying" than "ironic"
We should totally line Odrick up at guard.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Okie State...
finishes with only 2 losses, there is a good chance that the Fiesta bowl (Nintendo 12 bowl partner) would take them over PSU so as not to disrupt the business relationship with the Nintendo 12.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bowl
I don’t care where we play, just as long as the team shows improvement in the next 2 games. They better come out with a vengeance.
by cjj127 on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Remember last year's 1st half against Indiana?
“Vengance” wouldn’t quite be the word for that mess.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 10, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That whole game was near unwatchable.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 10, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't anyone want to be in the best possible bowl?
This is freakin Penn State! Step up or go home. Bring on the best they’ve got and give JoePa and the staff 40 days to prepare. A lot of things can be improved before the bowl game. There’s no place for fear at a school like Penn State. I’m disappointed in some of the posts indicating that they hope we don’t go to a BCS game. Grow a pair! WE ARE!!!
by RNF18 on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, never said I hope we don't go to a BCS bowl
I just wouldn’t like taking the spot of an undefeated Boise or TCU.
Anyway, I won’t worry about this. Michigan State is tough up front and Cousins should be 1st team all Big Ten.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cousins won't be playing the whole game, though
Dantonio will inexplicably bench him and bring in Nichol as soon as he gets into a rhythm. He is apparently the only person in the football universe who does not realize this is a terrible idea.
by SpartanDan on Nov 10, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know
But when he’s in, he’s damn good.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowls are about strength of program, not team
I have no problem with the Penn State football team riding the coat tails of its diehard fan base. This is where it pays to have our kids go to class, graduate, become good citizens of this world. We attract so many fans because we do things the right way. If we accepted kids who would make the football team better, but tarnish our reputation, we would be more competitive on the football field. In my opinion, it all comes out as a wash in the end.
by golfinn3 on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good points...
and as Esteban said above – outside of the BCS Championship game the rest of the bowls are just cash grabs and are about making money for those involved.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 Big Ten Champs
Penn State- Win remaining games
Ohio State – Beat Iowa, lose to Michigan
Iowa – lose to Ohio State, win out.
All teams will have 2 conferences losses…thus getting a share of the Big Ten Title.
"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden
by QBsneak12 on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would feel so very dirty if this happened.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 10, 2009 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And Wisconsin could also be 10-2 as well and tie for the championship.
Anyhow, I’d rather see the scenerio unfold like this:
Ohio State – Lose to Iowa, beat Michigan
Iowa – Beat tOSU, lose to Minnesota
I don’t want to see Michigan picking up any other wins — it would be cool if they end up with a losing season and no bowl again
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 10, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4 Big Ten Champs
If this happened…it’s time to talk about adding a 12th team (seriously) and having a conference championship.
I think it should be done even when we have a 2 way tie for the conference title. There should not be 2, or 3 or 4 Big Ten Champs.
"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden
by QBsneak12 on Nov 10, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it actually did happen once
MSU, UM, Iowa, and Illinois all tied for it in ’90.
FWIW.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and soon after they added another team
one step closer to that championship game!
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse
One of these years the ACC is going to end up with twelve teams at 4-4. I don’t even want to hazard a guess as to how to break that tie.
by SpartanDan on Nov 10, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ACC bylaw 11.3.2.a
If no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
"you're excited? feel these nipples!"
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 11, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody really think that Ohio State is going to lose to Michigan? I don’t see that happening at all.
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 10, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible, I guess
I expect GERG to go all TENUTA BLITZ EVERYONE to disrupt Pryor. This will leave Posey wide open for three 80 yard touchdowns.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news
Am I the only one craving a bloomin’ onion for lunch today?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nope, and I haven't eaten anything yet today
so I’m definitely thinking about 2,710 Calories of deliciousness
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take the BCS for a few reasons (in no particular order)
First, I always want to face the best team possible (especially one that we have a chance of beating). While we could lose to pretty much any team, we could also beat pretty much any team that doesn’t have a dominating front 4 (or 7). Most of the teams that will be in the BCS that we’d likely face don’t really have that, so not too worried. Heck, we might even have an “easier” game in the BCS than in the Capital One bowl.
Second, as much as I think Boise St “deserves” it more than us (since they’d be undefeated) I’m all for any more controversy about the BCS system. Maybe Idaho and Utah’s senators will look further into the anti-trust. Hard to say there isn’t any sort of collusion when a team with 2 losses, but “one of the boys” gets in over an undefeated team yet again.
Third (though this really isn’t a reason, just an “explanation”) if Iowa loses to OSU, yes they’ll have the head to head with us, but they’d also probably drop in the polls as well. and who knows if they’ll even be able to win out otherwise. I wouldn’t feel too bad about “taking Iowa’s spot” if they’re below us in the rankings. Besides, I’m still bitter about the 2008 game.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ok you win me over
Besides, I’m still bitter about the 2008 game.
i am more bitter about that than this years loss. screw iowa. i’m all about the BCS now.
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
by amandakt on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
block quote fail.
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
by amandakt on Nov 10, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually prefer at this point Iowa wins out (can't believe I'm saying that)
so that tOSU can’t claim another “championship” this year. It would also mean, tOSU would likely drop below us anyway, and as a bonus, they’d end their season most likely 9-3, then probably choke in whatever bowl they play in. However, with Stanzi out, the chances of this scenario go down significantly.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 12, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope our BCS opponent is ...
… vulnerable to our fair catch strategy.
"I want to eat some dessert." - Brandon Ware
by The Man with One Black Shoe on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I still think that we are just setting up the fair catch free kick
although I think the rule only exists in the NFL and perhaps high school.
by cpm126 on Nov 10, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the Alamo Bowl!
I’m hoping for the Alamo Bowl against Oklahoma.
Because I live in San Antonio and it’s the only game on Saturday night, Jan 2nd, pro or college.
by CDRS on Nov 10, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Alamo Bowl will have a better team than the
Outback Bowl. Have you looked at the SEC standings lately? After LSU, there is a big drop and all the teams involved still appear to have one to two losses left on their schedule.
by cpm126 on Nov 10, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This
If we go to the Outback, we’ll probably get Tennessee or South Carolina. I kinda hope it’s Tennessee, but in a way I’d rather beat South Carolina because a) I hate "Rocky Top and b) I want Joe to finally beat Spurrier. South Carolina has a very good defense, however…
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
South Carolina sucks
I’ve picked them right (against them) every single week they’ve been on Pickem. Ever since that opening night shartfest against NC State, I’ve been low, low, low on those low country doucheas.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 10, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I picked them against Tennessee
And am still pissed about it.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't this the last year the Big 10 is associated with the Alamo Bowl?
I would be tempted to get that one (despite it’s inferior standings) just for an excuse to go to San Antonio for a Penn State game
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alamo Bowl
Yes.
Next year, we lose the Alamo and the Champs Sports Bowls and pick up the Gator and Texas Bowls plus the newly created Dallas Football Classic.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only an hour away from The Salt Lick
Always looking for an excuse to make my way back there
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Nov 10, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am torn.
Part of me wants what is probably best for the Big11Ten and have everyone go to lower bowls and win. That way we can stop hearing about how crappy our conference is.
But then again, I am selfish and I really like saying we’ve been to BCS games (as long as we win). Doubling this would be is Tosu lost and of course we win. That would make Saturday’s loss ok.
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
by amandakt on Nov 10, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not to throw a giant wrench into everyone's bloomin onion...
but Rittenberg says the Champs Sports Bowl and Alamo Bowl take turns choosing the Big Ten’s 4th team. This year Champs picks before Alamo. Sooooo…we might end up in the Champs Sports Bowl. PLEASE PLEASE WIN OUT!!!!!
by jimbo2psu on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No guts, no glory. Or something.
You never know what can happen. Say we go to the Alamo bowl or Outback and lose. That would kill me a lot more than going to a BCS bowl and losing. Winning one of those games won’t mean as much as winning in the BCS. No one cares that we beat Texas A&M or Tennessee.
If you asked every kid on that team, I bet they all want to play a BCS game.
The big ten sucks, and frankly If we get 2 BCS teams and they win, it won’t matter what happens in the rest of the bowls. I don’t care what ESPN harps on, I don’t watch it anymore except for PSU or Phillies games.
You don’t earn respect by beating mediocre teams, even if you are mediocre yourself. There is no one in college football that has been so impressive that I can’t envision a scenario in which we win. It may be a very unlikely scenario, but there is a chance.
And……its all moo at this point anyways, we are longshots for it so who cares. No matter what bowl we land in, I’ll be watching and cheering just the same. It won’t bug me no matter what bowl we are in because I don’t have control over that.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Big Ten does not really "suck" in comparison to the rest of college football
My two cents
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably, sucks is a little strong
But, undeniably, the Big 11 is weak right now. No teams scare anybody…even jaOSU. The polls don’t lie (sarcasm). Big 11 ranked about fifth out of the six BCS conferences, I think.
PSU, Iowa, OSU, even Wiscy are good but they just don’t put any fear in the hearts of a decent opponent. Or maybe they just don’t have the “IT” factor.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
by PaJoe on Nov 10, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many teams truly "put fear" into the hearts of decent opponents this year?
Bama and Florida maybe. I’m not sure about Texas. And then what?
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If there's one thing I do not feat, it's Dave Wannstedt in a bowl game
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"feat" = "fear"
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True...
This year, even though there are still six (?) unbeatens, maybe only the top 2-3 have the “killer” aura. The traditional powers…jaOSU, PSU, USC, certainly Okie, FSU, etc…. aren’t invincible and the other teams know it. Used to be these teams got up 14 points just on reputation and swagger, now the middle of the pack teams feel they can stay with them. You never saw the “blowouts” this year that you saw in the past. MAC teams were hanging and beating Big 11 teams.
Just watch some of the “Classic Games on ESPN”. Those PSU teams just looked unbeatable. They’d line up and just say…bring your best shot. Then they’d destroy somebody like 48-3 or something.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
by PaJoe on Nov 10, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've found
Ohio State to be every bit as scary coming out as I did going into that game.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 10, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i voted zug
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 10, 2009 6:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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