Royster And Bowman To Bolt?
by Run Up The Score on Nov 10, 2009 1:00 PM EST
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PrintSome Senior Day speculation -- is it also the last home game for Evan Royster and Navorro Bowman?
Bowman and Royster might not be in Maybin's class, but both of them are clearly NFL-caliber players. Both would go very high in next April's draft.
Todd McShay, a well-regarded talent evaluator who works for ESPN and Scouts, Inc., ranks Bowman as the 13th-best player in college football. He has Royster ranked 50th.
Bowman and Royster should at least think about leaving early.
They should think about it, yes. There's something to be said for Penn State's deficient offensive line and Royster's lack of success this season, but Royster can't be totally excused for his performance in 2009. He hasn't been the same cerebral, decisive runner we saw in 2008, even when given solid running lanes. Bob Flounders makes a hell of a point in that column, though -- just wait until you see opposing teams load up against Penn State's running game next year with Kevin Newsome under center.
Royster won't be a combine sensation and if McShay thinks he's the 50th best player on the board, it's further proof that McShay is certifiable. With so many NFL teams going to a by-committee approach to their backfields, only the true superstar running backs are going to be selected in the first two rounds. Royster is a fine player, but isn't in that class. If he projects as a 3rd or 4th round pick, is that enough for him to make the leap?
As for Bowman, he's a guy with a tough background who could be enticed by NFL money, but his play has severely declined this season. Coming into 2009, he seemed to be a sure-fire first or second round draft pick, and most of us had assumed that he'd be elsewhere in 2010. Legal troubles hampered him in the off-season and a groin injury slowed him down this fall. He still looks a few steps slower than in 2008, and was actually a weak link in the defense against Northwestern and Ohio State. Whether that's because of conditioning and other lingering effects from the injury, nobody outside of Lasch really knows. If he decides to declare for the NFL, he'll have to prove to scouts that he's fully recovered and can stay out of trouble.
They're both coin flips at this point. Royster may want to avoid the inevitable beating he'll endure behind a still-developing offensive line. Bowman may decide to get out before another lower body injury takes away his speed, or he runs into legal trouble again in Happy Valley. Both could easily justify going the Justin King route and trying to get a one-year head start on their second NFL contracts, where the big money really is for non-first rounders.
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I would guess
McShay was saying Royster is the 50th best college player, but not the projected 50th selection in the draft. I doubt McShay would’ve taken into account teams’ drafting philosophies or even projected depth by position going into the draft. Probably just a shoot-from-the-hip talent evaluation.
he has royster as the 4th best RB available
at least before the OSU game. he also had bowman as the 2nd best OLB…again, before the game.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
My thoughts exactly
it all comes down to the teams that are drafting and the positions of need.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 10, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
If Poz and Connor are guides...
and why wouldn’t they be? Bowman goes in the third round. At this point, I think Lee is lucky to get picked on the second day. As is Royster.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
I think Lee is perceived as "soft" or atleast injury prone.
I like the guy alot but he didn’t play much ball this season
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
Injury prone, alright, but I wouldn't say soft.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
The team without them
Let’s assume, arguendo, they both leave. The departure of Bowman, in my book, is much more damaging.
RB – Green, Beachum, Dukes, Redd, Carter, and the other LBs, CBs, and Cs that will inevitably turn into RBs will continue a solid RB tradition. Beachum looks particularly Hunt-esque nasty…
LB – Bowman gone, Lee gone. Who takes the reins next year as leader? Remember just a few years ago when Poz dominated, left, then Connor dominated, left, then Lee was set to dominate, got injured, Bowman dominated, Lee came back, and now they both have to leave? We have some serious studs in our LB stable, but I still haven’t seen a new leader.
Either way, RB and LB have never really been an issue, at least not as of late. Make sure that OL is solid next year (Newsome/Bolden/Jones will need it) and make sure you continually recruit big uglies to fill the senior spots each year. I just don’t understand why we can’t reload at OL like we can at DL and LB.
This is my first post after the loss…sorry if it is convoluted and disorganized. I promise the women’s vball update will be better…
You doubt LBU?
While there’s obviously no way of REALLY knowing, I think there’s at least some optimism in store for Mauti, Stupar and a few of the other younger LB’s. Yes, it’s really hard to replace guys like Lee and Bowman, but it’s doable. Especially here at PSU.
by smashtheguitar on Nov 10, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't doubt LBU
I was just saying that there was always a clear leader for next years team, even when last years beast left. Poz —> Connor —> Lee (Bowman) —> Lee/Bowman —> ??
by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 10, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Line
I would say we have recruited some big nasties on the line. The problem is it takes time for this unit to gel when someone new is entered. It also takes these guys a year or two to bulk up and prepare for the likes of Cameron Heyward. I also think a drawback to our line is Dick Anderson. Would you really want him to be your O-line coach?
Dude...
“Arguendo?” What, I am back in Contracts again?
May no act of ours bring shame.
by mushdamma on Nov 10, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
res ipsa loquitor is a torts concept not K
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
Don't apologize
Well, you could for the Pitt admission, but I’m still trying to figure out everything about this exchange except:
what, I am back in..you are in
Look at Sam Bradford, Dez Bryant, etc..
Anything can happen. I say, take the money and run.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions
But the money is a sliding scale
Look at Crabtree, and extrapolate out. Neither Bowman nor Royster would get a Top 10 pick this year. They would see 3/4 round money (maybe Bowman goes 2, whatever). But if you stay another year, rack up some nasty stats, then you’re talking round 1 money. Of course there is a chance of injury (I don’t think there is much of a chance of Bowman or Royster meeting with Deon Sanders except to call him an idiot), but the reason Bradford and others stay is to get that extra money (although some say Bradford had a shot to be the second QB taken last year, so he’s kind of an idiot too).
by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 10, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
A blown out knee could mean the difference between a...
decent mid-round selection and an undrafted free agent. Coming back is a double edged sword. The more “film” you have, the more scouts can pick apart your negatives and hurt your draft position.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I find this questionable logic. Are you suggesting that everyone who comes back has their stock drop?
As CFB fans we all want everyone to stay all the time, but I think often there is a case for it. Bowman has looked worse even with Lee back, and could use a year to turn that around. Maybe Royster will get keyed on with KN under center, but maybe the line will get better and KN’s running ability will help the traditional run game.
Or maybe they both are ready to move on…you can never be upset at anyone for taking a shot at the NFL, as a junior or otherwise. But there certainly isn’t a rule you can apply to everyone.
BSD
I would never speak in absolute terms...
I’m just saying that coming back can be a negative. Not saying it will. My position is, if you have the opportunity to jump to the next level, you do.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Only a Sith speaks in absolutes
/yoda’d
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
So a double edged sword is a quadruple edged sword?
Or singe edged and double edged are synonomous in this instance? Sort of like how .9repeating actually equals 1?
by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 10, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
That's too much math
Just get some thick gloves, hold one end, and BAM, double-edged sword swings like a normal one.
BSD
how is maybin not the the model to look at as to why NOT to go early
he got payed yes…but he is 3rd string AT BEST on the freaking bills. he seriously gets embarassed when he plays…its sad. kid could have definitely used another year to shore up some fundamentals.
then again, if its only about the immediate money, i guess it was a good decision.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
he's already in the NFL
if they can’t teach him better than at PSU, then they’re doing it wrong
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
i have nothing to back this up
but maybe it is work ethic? maybe he thinks hes entitled to something. he had the 2nd or 3rd longest holdout of this years 1st rounders. he had one good year in college and goes 11 in the draft…who knows, maybe he’s spoiled or something. idk, total speculation. something needs to explain how you go from starter to 3rd string after one game…
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Or maybe it is that he is an undersized 21 yr old, DE
Playing on a crappy team. Don’t forget that the team is crappy.
there was no way an extra year would’ve helped Maybin. He wouldn’t have gone much higher than 11 no matter what.
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by Captain Hairdo on Nov 10, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
He's getting 1st round money.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
What’s the point of college?
IMO it’s to get yourself ready and in the best possible position for future employment in the real world. If by your junior year of college you get a job opportunity where you can make tens of millions of dollars then I think you have accomplished what you set out to do in college and there is nothing left for you to do. If you really want to say you graduated then you can go back and finish that Kinesiology degree you were working on.
Another consideration
isn’t this the last year before the new rookie contract rules take effect? I don’t really know what the new rules are, but I remember a lot of people predicting a mass exodus this year to avoid whatever hits they may take next year. I also don’t know if these rules are really going to affect anyone outside of the first round.
great point
this would be the last year for crazy guaranteed money and bonuses because starting next year if the Players assoc and owners agree to a deal you’ll probably see some type of base pay type scale for rookies loaded with incentives. Thats at least what I’ve gathered from the articles I’ve seen on it, but what do i know….
by RudyWasOffsides on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
There are no new rookie contract rules…..yet. This is something that is still to be worked out between the players and owners in the next round of CBA negotiations. It is expected agents will make a big push to get underclassmen into the draft this year if they want to make the silly money 1st rounders have gotten.
Here’s the thing though, the more underclassmen that enter the draft the more competition you’re going to have for those top 15 spots, which is where the real crazy money is. The last half of the first round and rounds 2-7 really aren’t that out of whack.
I can’t imagine Royster being a 1st round pick and certainly not a top 15 pick. Bowman I’m not so sure on. He does appear to have great measurables which would go a long way at the combine and solid production in college. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him bolt for the NFL draft, but there will be questions about his conditioning, character and desire going through the draft process. That alone could be enough to drop him to the latter half of the first round. And if that’s the case he may want to stick around another season because any deal in the new CBA, while it may cap a rookie’s first contract in how much he can make, it will also shorten the number of years he has to wait until he becomes a free agent which is where the real $$$ is made.
It’s a tough call. Personally I don’t think Bowman is ready for the NFL. He might be there physically but mentally he is not ready yet. But if he thinks he can paid millions he would be a fool to pass that up.
I honestly don't think either one
is going to be a great pro. They should take the money where they find it.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
I agree. I can’t see either one making it more then a few seasons on the practice squad. Not with what they’ve shown us in 2009.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I could see either being good NFL players
But I don’t think either will be drafted high. Certainly not after this season, although Bowman could conceivably get healthy, impress at the combine and PSU Pro Day, and sneak into the second round. But he’s playing like crap right now. Whether that’s because of injury, I don’t know.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Royster I just don’t think has “it” the way you need it for the NFL. I think it’s his lack of burst and agression — but I’m no expert. Being a huge Tony Hunt fan and watching him fail miserably has made me a cynic. Guys like Moreno and McFadden are struggling in the NFL — and those guys were undeniably better NCAAF RB’s then Royster.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
well isn't mcfadden out for the season or something
not to mention that he plays in oakland…
We decide when you hear the snap count...
In all honesty, I think Royster should go, and Bowman should stay.
This is partly affected by bias, partly by points above:
Royster is a pretty good back, but he has had trouble with a weak line. The line should be stronger next year, but who knows? And, as stated, with a new QB, whoever it is, teams will stack against the run. Royster may not be able to break free until 6/7 games into the season, at which point its too late.
Bowman, on the other hand, will still be on a dominating defense, and barring injury, is unlikely to hurt his draft stock. It also gives him a chance to escape the legal troubles a little bit.
As for the bias, as said, we have PLENTY of guys at RB and LB, but Royster has never really stood out as a leader, whereas Bowman had that look last year.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Neither should go
Did anyone see Maybin dominating prior to the 2008 season, no. With Bowman, it would not be a complete shock to see him get healthy and be a 1st or 2nd round selection. If he goes this year he may not get drafted at all.
We don’t know that the QB next year will be significantly worse, but we have to think that they will rely heavily on the running game. Clark was an unknown before this season. And as far as not getting the running game going until the 6th game, that was this year. Just eyeballing it, I wouldn’t think that more than 3 of these teams will have an above average defense. I would think the running game will be featured next year big time.
2010
Sept. 4: Youngstown State
Sept. 11: at Alabama
Sept. 18: Kent State
Sept. 25: Temple
Oct. 2: at Iowa
Oct. 9: Illinois
Oct. 23: at Minnesota
Oct. 30: Michigan
Nov. 6: Northwestern
Nov. 13: at Ohio State
Nov. 20: at Indiana
Nov. 27: Michigan State
"I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! I invented the piano key necktie, I invented it!" - Mugatu
by Captain Hairdo on Nov 10, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Quick and fun with numbers......
I’m not a financial planner, but Mr. Irrelevant last year inked a 3 year deal worth 1.2 million. Supposedly 25k signing bonus. So………lets say you are Mr.Irrelevant this year and you get a 30k SB and 400k per year for 3 years. 22 years old, 8% return, pay your agent 15%, signing bonus is maybe 20k take home…..you invest that and then put 1500 a month in for 3 years and leave the league. You then put 500 a month in for the next 37 years. You blow every dollar you get your hands on from the time you are 22 until you are 62 minus the 500 per month and when you turn 62 you have 3 million clams in that little pot of money. I say if you think you are going to get signed, go for it.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
That's a lot of financial confidence in a 22 year old NFL rookie.
Charles Rogers would like to speak with you.
by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 10, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Just sayin.
They aren’t all idiots.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
SI did an article a few months ago about the poor financial decisions professional athletes make. I forget the percentage of how many are broke or in serious debt, but the number was way over 50%.
So yeah they aren’t all idiots, but most of them are.
I doubt that Royster or Bowman wind up in this boat...
But…
In my line of work I can tell you that the #1 thing that hangs these kids up financially is having babies. Lots and lots of babies. I can’t say the names of the cases I’ve worked on, but I can tell you that you’ve heard of them, and a few of them even went to Penn State.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
Good point........and the child support.....
system is still stuck in the 1950s, but don’t get me started on that.
I mean, did you see the Jim Nantz “deal” last week ? Nauseating.
Thank God my daughter’s mother isn’t a money grubber or I’d be 37 years old and living with a room mate.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
You and me both
The football players actually get it worse, because the assumption is that they’ll only be able to pay for a short period of time, ergo, they should pay more.
What’s funny is, that no matter how much they make, by and and large the cases are pretty simple. They just get a W2 like a normal guy.
But their health insurance is simply amazing. It’s actually sexier than porn.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
We need to get you some better porn.
Like “Archisexture” or “Space Orgy”
by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 10, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Where's the adjustments for the 3 P's?
posse
prostitutes
pot
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
tee hee hee
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
3 million dollars in 40 years will suck
You forgot to add in inflation. We must always factor in the inflation thief (thanks Federal Reserve).
Sure........
at 3% inflation 3 million 40 years from now is similar to having around 900k right now. Get 8% on that and you have 72k a year without touching the principle and you have basically only save 500 a month forever. That’s is a chip shot. I made a few assumptions to exaggerate the point. If you are going to get drafted and you played 3 years and you weren’t an idiot with your money you would be able to comfortably retire at 62 without really saving that much over the course of the rest of your life.
I presumed the player could save his first paltry signing bonus and could save just 1500 a month for the first 3 years. If you bump up that figure from 1500 to say 3000, which is totally doable when you figure at 400k a year, worst case you are brining home 20k a month after taxes and agents etc. Then that number jumps from 3 million (900k today) to 4.8 million by age 62 (1.4 million) today. Compare that to what your prospects are as a 22 year old college grad when the average dual family income in this country is about 50k.
Remember, this is all based off of what Mr. Irrelevant signed for last year.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Royster
If Royster does leave, and i’m not saying he should, my biggest fear is we make Stephon Green the feature and only back. I personally don’t think he is a great RB. Yes, he has a ton of speed, but no patience.
He has been in the program 3 years, i know they aren’t going to move him now, but I think we should be thinking about a RB duo (much like Clemson did with CJ Spiller and James Davis). Beachum has looked strong in his limited work and from everything we hear, Curtis Dukes is a cross between Enis and Carter (the college versions). With Newsome (or the True Freshmen) under center, teams are going to be looking to stop the run.
"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden
I don't see that happening
Look at what they did with Royster. Royster came into the spotlight because Kinlaw was battling injuries, and generally doing a good enough job that we had junk time to try out Royster. Royster proved he was an excellent back, but Green was to great of a offensive weapon to keep under wraps, so they split the two. If there was ANY dual RB combo next year assuming Royster leaves, the primary back is going to be the one that can pound it up the middle, i.e. Beachum, Carter, Dukes, etc., and Green will remain the speedy threat to try out once and a while to keep defenses on their toes. I just don’t see Green as a primary back. We always seem to like to have a bruiser type RB on the starting lineup (Royster is the exception since he is shifty with great vision, not exactly a “power” back).
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 10, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Take the money
I’d rather see these kids go on and make the millions they deserve then stick around for what looks like a mediocre 2010 Penn State season.
The honest truth is there’s no reward for the risk involved. We are not going to be a top-5 preseason team next year, not even close. So there’s none of this “stick around for the glory” type arguments that can be made, not with an almost certain 9-3 season coming up.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I remember what happened to Arron Harris.
One day you are a 1st or 2nd round draft pick, the next day you are coaching HS Football in Dtown…big difference.
No point in getting hurt, get in top shape, max out the combine, and get paid.
I love Royster, he reminds me of Marcus Allen and doesn’t run but glides and always falls forward, great player.
I am happy w/ Beachum and Green for 2010…and we have enough LBs.
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
Actually
the one thing that always bothers me about royster is that he never falls forward. Hes a guy that trys to avoid contact and therefore doesn’t anticipate and lower the shoulder.
by whiteoutonly on Nov 10, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Royster wakes up and realizes his
real future is lacrosse – tranfers to Johns Hopkins and follows his dream playing box lacrosse.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep...lacrosse is where the real money is....he'd look good in a Wings jersey
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
So the Question is
How good do we think Beachum is?
We know what we’re going to get with Green, but he’s never looked like an every down back. We really need Beachum or Dukes to step up.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Won't know till he plays a full game but he looks the part IMO
plus didn’t we get some stud RBs in the next incoming class?
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
Incoming Class
Big thing for me is that if Royster does hit the road, then we have a shot at a blue-chip RB recruit for 2010’s class. I’d still like to see what Galen can do with a kid who’s already got NFL talent coming out of highschool.
I agree though, Beachum looks the part.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I'm hoping Beachum is being considered for RB instead of FB now that he's gotten in a few games
I really miss Tony Hunt, who has disappeared and hasn’t been heard of since the Eagles cut him. I would welcome the return of a bruiser back who can carry the entire D-line on his back for four extra yards.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 10, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Never would have guessed they were top 50 players by watching ESPN
I guess they imagined them without Penn State uniforms and thought, Hmm, they’re not so bad afterall.
Since you brought that up......
Similarly, I did a litte research one night and noticed that the ESPN top 100 had roughly 30 percent more SEC committs in it than did rivals or scout.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Interesting story
Comcast and NBC are merging and the speculation is that they’re developing their sports coverage to rival what ESPN does — basically trying to compete with ESPN for coverage of NCAAF, NFL, etc. by taking them head-on.
Now the reason this is interesting is that NBC is Notre Dame’s network, which means in some ways NBC is already aligned with the midwest/B10 market. For this reason, it is in their best interest to hype up the B10 and promote it in order to draw more ratings for ND — much in the same way ESPN has been hyping the SEC because they have TV coverage deals with the conference.
I think we’ll see some very favorable coverage fo the B10 from NBC/Comcast, and it may be a great foil to what ESPN has been doing for the SEC.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
So next year when Notre Dame is struggling to defeat a mediocre Purdue team, NBC will tell us how good Purdue is? Interesting.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
they beat Michigan and Ohio State
the coach with the hullstache cried. they are a historic rival to Notre Dame. home of Drew Brees.
Bob Costas gushes.
the slant continues
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Comcast
Comcast is the parent company of my firm. Basically the deal with NBC will provide Comcast access to events (Olympics, Notre Dame,) and other sporting events that they can use for their programming.
They would put a couple of the ND games on Versus, because they want to strength that stations brand.
It all hinges on the foreign company that has 20% in GE and NBC…they need to agree to sell.
This is a good chip for Notre Dame to the big 10, however, it will not happen. Comcast just wants access to more sports events and content, and to promote its on channels…not make ND a 12th BigTen team.
"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden
I think ESPN has shown a successful model for NCAAF, which NBComcast will likely copy
Hype. Hype the teams who are playing primetime games that you are covering. The more press and the more hype a team gets from the media the higher they will be ranked, and that translates into ratings BIG time.
I have no doubt that if the Ohio State game was an 8pm game, we would have been a top 10 team in the rankings last week. They absolutely would have hyped us up in order to get that top ten 8pm primetime showdown ratings draw.
So my point is that since NBComcast will benefit from the B10 being ranked higher in the polls, they will literally manufacture rankings for B10 teams by using the same methods ESPN uses.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Thank God it wasn't an 8pm game
The fewer witnesses, the better
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
If I were NBComcast...
I would seriously think about shifting all Notre Dame games to Versus.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
they kinda have a lot of contracts with the big10 too
not to mention the parent company has had the rights to the rose bowl for a bajillion years (although isn’t the rose bowl on espn this year? all that “espn on abc” stuff confuses me)
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Oh god
As if Comcast and NBC sports aren’t bad enough on their own, now they’re going to combine forces? They may actually take the crown away from biggest doucheas from ESPN.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Compelling Question
just wait until you see opposing teams load up against Penn State’s running game next year with Kevin Newsome under center
I suspect the SpreadHD flavor next year will be much more the MRob/zone read flavor, which could actually benefit a back like royster.
While I support the notion that D will stack the line to focus on the run, I think defenses are doing this already. If anything, under a more option-oriented offense the defense might have to defend the perimeter more than they do today.
Either way both should take the $$ when they can. And Bowman will be drafted higher than Poz or Connor because he’s faster.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply actions
Ohoh, take the money and run.
If I was a division 1 football player in this type of situation, I would always go. The only reason to stay (for me personally) would be to finish my degree to have something to fall back on if my career implodes.
However, if I go to the NFL and my career fizzles after a year or two, I can always take some of that money and finish my degree. It is far less likely that I have a second chance at playing in the league. Even if I don’t pan out but still play 5+ years, I would like to think I would be smart enough with my money to be financially set for life.
That is just my mindset though, which is probably different than most of these kids. I honestly don’t really care either way. If you go, good luck, if you stay good for you(and us fans).
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+1
Also, don’t underestimate the contacts/network that comes with being an NFL alumni – even if it’s only for one preseason. Players that are smart about it can set themselves up for a career with just a few months of training camp.
In Chicago, the former athlete business is incredible. It’s not just good players, too. Guys that barely started get promotional work.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Nov 10, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like
this is very Pro Penn State, Royster has been awesome this year, he has better vision than any back taken in the first two rounds last year. Bowman on the other hand has a groin this year, and as someone who followed Jaromir Jagr for a long time, groins are one of those injuries that you can play through, but don’t totally heal until your able to rest it for an extended period of time. A groin most definitely will hamper ones athleticism. I don’t think it’s fair to call out these two players because you want them to stay.
grr at whoever started the trend of naming every injury after the body part
I should hope he has a groin this year. It seems like something all people should have.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd like to see Bowman stay
I think he has room to improve himself, not to mention take up the leader role for next year, when our current senior leaders are gone. The guy’s gotten hyped by the talking heads in the past two seasons, and he hasn’t had the stats we know he’s capable of this year thanks to injury, and generally not playing to his full potential. I think another year would be good for him.
Royster, I’m neutral about. If the O-line is going to develop slowly, I don’t think we need him next year, especially with the RB stable we have. It might be better to go with the Hunt-esque shove it right down your throat sort of back instead of the speed/agility backs. That being said, I don’t see Royster being extremely successful in the NFL. While he’s remained in good health, he did always seem to pick up a deep bruise, etc., and I don’t know if he has the power to make it on the next level, but then again, I don’t really watch much pro football, so I don’t know what types of players are needed/do well at the next level.
What are your thoughts on Bowman providing for his baby in DC?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
One of each, please!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Are you Lavarro's baby mama?
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 11, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Or was that more of a statement on
what a good role model he’d be by getting his degree at a good university, as opposed to the uncertainty of life as a professional athlete?
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 11, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I keep forgetting he has a kid now.
I don’t know. Depends on the financial situation he and his GF are in. If you’re the premier LB at Penn State, your chances of getting more cash might go up next year as opposed to having an above average, but not spectacular season this year due to injury.
Isn't GF a little presumptive?
I believe Baby Mama is the term the kids are using these days.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
uh, I don't think you are in the minority
I think everyone would like to see Bowman stay.
But what will Bowman think is best for Bowman?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
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