Nitt Picks Doesn't Need A Name
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 7:04 AM EST
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Hayes x6? Hayes may ask for a sixth year:
Given his unfortunate circumstances, Hayes, a fifth-year senior, said he would consider asking the NCAA for a sixth-year of eligibility once the regular season ends on Nov. 21 at Michigan State.
"It's definitely something that I will talk to with my parents and I will talk to Coach Paterno about after the season," Hayes said Wednesday. "But with how we're feeling right now, we just really wanna focus on these next couple of games and hopefully [during] the time period we get before the bowl game, we'll be able to sit down and speak to Coach about that."
No injury has bothered me more than the second one Hayes suffered. If anyone deserves a break, it's this guy.
Then who will throw the Stanziballs? The gunslinging leader of Iowa is out until bowl season, and you know what that means: your Vegas line has moved from 13 all the way up to 17. This is the same line we saw when Minnesota visited The Shoe. Take what you want from that news.
The Penn State line might be stranger, though. It opened at 21, no one had regular season ending surgery, and it jumped all the way up to Penn State as a 26-point favorite. Feel free to guess why in the comments; I have no idea.
About Wisconsin. I'll admit it, they snuck up on me too. Rittenberg power ranks:
T-3. Wisconsin (7-2, 4-2): Is there a more under-the-radar 7-2 team than Wisconsin? The Badgers quietly keep winning, though Saturday's game against Indiana got pretty interesting down the stretch. Freshman running back Montee Ball really picked up teammate John Clay (concussion), and the Badgers' ground attack surged yet again. Wisconsin remains in good shape for a 10-2 season.
T-3. Penn State (8-2, 4-2): Because of a soft schedule, Penn State had only two chances for signature wins this season and it failed on both. Despite getting both Iowa and Penn State at Beaver Stadium, the Nittany Lions couldn't generate much offense and endured surprising breakdowns on special teams. Penn State could have seen its chances for a BCS at-large berth vanish after Saturday's poor performance.
I'm pretty sure Wisconsin and Penn State play, boiled down, the exact same schedule. As has been noted by the chicken littles around these parts, Penn State did blow their two shots at elite teams. But guess what: Wisconsin has the same exact two losses. That sentence in bold is as true about Wisconsin as it is about Penn State.
Say what you will about Penn State's schedule, but they've clearly dominated the teams they were supposed to dominate. And by "the teams they were suppose to dominate," I mean every team except Iowa and Ohio State. What they didn't do is have close calls against MAC and WAC schools.
Wisconsin still has Northwestern and we've still got Michigan State, so this may all be moot, but I don't see the case for Wisconsin over Penn State.
All I heard was Dick Vitale using way too much alliteration. Curley's brother (long lost, at least) appears to be running the IU athletic department, and guess who is getting ready to start a firetimcurleyslonglostbrother.com site (domain still available!)?
First, the press release:
The Indiana University Athletics Department is seeking names for the student section in Assembly Hall. The student's selection will be placed on the front of the Crimson Club Student Basketball Shirt. These shirts will be handed out to all student basketball season ticket holders. The student t-shirt is a great way for the students to show their passion and pride for Indiana Basketball at every home game.
And you know why? Because just showing their passion and pride at Indiana basketball games simply isn't enough. We know the drill, and CQ knows the feeling:
I loathe the Duke-ification of college basketball student sections: the oh-so-clever names, the overly contrived chants, the painstakingly researched "jeer cards," the stupid left-right-sit-down thing that every school thinks it invented, and so on.
[...]
IU students, I'm counting on you. Flood this contest with suggestions that the student section be called "the student section."
Now that's an idea!
And yes, get off my lawn.
(For the underpaid mercenary soldiers of BSD: Suggestions can be sent to SPTMARKT@indiana.edu )
In scores of other games. TNIAAM has The Man's doomsday bowl projections...Rupert Murdoch is an idiot and also comfortably confident that fair use is rubbish and illegal...and OMG BLOGFIGHT BHGP and (surprise!) an OSU blog.
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Gee whiz
Those blogwar soldiers get awfully agitated.
Nice to see the BSD’ers throwing a little gas on the fire.
Well done.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 12, 2009 7:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Despite getting both Iowa and Penn State at Beaver Stadium, the Nittany Lions couldn't generate much offense"
I guess I missed the game where Penn State played and then lost to Penn State at Beaver Stadium.
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 12, 2009 8:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Must be referring to the Blue-White game
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Nov 12, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
White 21, Blue 16.
I guess since Blue wears the home unis they were the home team.
by Cairo on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if that’s the case, it makes even less sense. Also, what does that have to do with anything?
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they’re referring to the Blue/White game. We lost that one.
by mhentz on Nov 12, 2009 8:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Indiana -26
Does this just sound stupid to anybody else?
Indiana has one bad loss (UVa.) and that was more than a month ago. Other than that, there a play or two away from having 8 wins. Northwestern, Michigan and Wisconsin were one score games. The game was much closer than the socre indicated against Iowa, they were totally in the game in the fourth quarter.
This team has been close, damn close, to pulling a pretty impressive upset or two. In my mind there is a legitimate concern that this Indiana team is due. Due for an upset, and due against Penn State.
Nothing good can happen on Saturday.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not saying I have any idea what's going on.
But Vegas isn’t stupid. They are right a lot more often then they are wrong, and they’re clearly taking a stand here because Indiana is getting hammered on this one.
But again, it is probably the strangest line of the week.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My theory
Penn State is generally over-bet since we have a very large fan base and are historically a good team. This leads to Penn State giving up an extra couple points in the spread.
Indiana is generally over-bet since we have a very small fan base and are historically a bad team. This leads to Indiana getting an extra couple points in the spread.
Combining these two factors causes Penn State to be a much bigger favorite then the two teams’ talent levels would suggest.
by VVeRPennState on Nov 12, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is certainly true as a general rule.
But by most measures less than 40% of people are betting on Penn State, which means if they wanted a balanced line, they should actually be making the spread smaller, not bigger.
I’m not taking a side here, just pointing out how strange the line is. There is always overreaction when a team wins or loses a big game…it looks like the books may be trying to take advantage of that.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How are less than 40% of people betting PSU
If the line opened at 21 and has moved to 26? Doesn’t that indicate that the public is hammering the lions so vegas keeps increasing the spread to get some love for IU?
[Incidentally, I don’t trust the "81% of the people betting took Chicago to win outright " numbers the books give you…a) they might just apply to the current line—i.e. 40% of the people betting the line at 26 are taking PSU; or b) they might be trying to screw with you.]
By the way, you’d have to be insane to take PSU -26…I’m pretty sure IU has like one loss against the spread all year…they’ve played every big11 opponenet tough; they have to be humiliated to be losing next year’s home game against us…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 12, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t always work like that. Books don’t take even action all the time, and sometimes it’s too even for them…thus the move from 21 to 26.
And it’s not hard to believe Indiana is getting hammered on this one…you know Indiana fans think it’s crap, and this comment section is an indication that most PSU fans believe that as well. Add in Indy’s “good” losses this season, and the national TV game PSU lost last week…and well, who is betting on PSU?
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait, so you think
that the books are so confident that penn state is going to cover by 4 td’s that they keep moving the line to make sure they get tons of action on Indiana?
You’re either crazy or crazy like a fox. I vote just regular crazy.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 12, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IU's 5-2 against the spread
and one of those two came to Iowa in the most heartbreaking gambling loss of the 2009 season. (the other was UVA killing them.)
I guess we’ll see, but it just seems so completely batsh*t for vegas to like PSU by four tds in this game so much that they’re going to gamble their way out of guaranteed vigorish. I think that they must be moving the line to get equal money.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 12, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You see lines like this occasionally, and you see up to 80% of betters taking one side, and sometimes the line doesn’t move at all.
For example: remember in 2005, we had just beat Ohio State, were undefeated, ranked 8th, and headed to play a Michigan team that was 3-3 and coming of a loss to Minnesota? The same Minnesota team we smoked 44-14 two weeks earlier?
Do you remember the line for that game? It was Michigan favored by 4. The bet lost, but they saw something we didn’t.
I’m not justifying the line or encouraging PSU action, I’m just saying be careful when it looks like someone is offering you something for nothing.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
re: caution when it looks like something for nothing.
with that said, I don’t believe in the notion of “trap games” at all.
Where do you get the numbers about “80% of bettors taking one side”?
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 12, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Several sites release them. Covers.com is one, but I never link it b/c sports blogs shouldn’t link betting sites. This game is much closer to 65-70% last I checked. 80% is usually the peak, although some get a little higher.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so what I take from what you just said
is that there was a curious line followed by curious officiating.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't particularly care about the mechanics of the spread
I just don’t think that there is any logical reason to think Penn State is going to win this game by nearly four touchdowns. I’d be inclined to take Indiana if they were getting 14.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 12, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Something I take into consideration,
though I doubt Vegas does, is that it’s Senior Day. I mentioned this fact last year going into the MSU game and got some “I don’t buy into the mystique of ‘Senior Day’” responses. Well, we know how that turned out.
I’m sure I’ll get corrected if I’m wrong, but I believe even during the Dark Years we had some pretty decisive wins on Senior Day.
I’m not trying to take anything away from IU and being favored by that many points isn’t logical, but coming into Senior Day after a tough loss is certainly a recipe for giving someone a pretty serious beat down.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 12, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think this year’s offense does “serious beatdowns.” They may (may) do decisive wins of ~17, but not 27+.
by rbz14 on Nov 12, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Past Senior Days
Since joining the Big 10, Penn State has lost on senior day ONCE in 17 seasons. That being the infamous Michigan game in 1999 featuring the ridiculous Tom Brady comeback.
2008 – Michigan St: W 49-18
2007 – Purdue: W 26-19
2006 – Michigan St. W 17-13
2005 – Wisconsin W 35-14
2004 – Michigan St. W 37-13
2003 – Indiana W 52-7
2002 – Michigan St. W 61-7
2001 – Indiana W 28-14
2000 – Michigan St. W 42-23
1999 – Michigan L 27-31
1998 – Michigan St. W 51-28
1997 – Wisconsin W 35-10
1996 – Michigan St. W 32-29
1995 – Michigan W 27-17
1994 – Michigan St. W 59-31
1993 – Illinois W 28-14
by catesinator on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say we never have Michigan as our senior day opponent
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say we play MSU every game...
Can we do that? Those are Nintendo12 scores.
49
17 (Hey, how do you get in here?)
37
61
42
51
32
59
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't LJ have over 300 yds in the 2002 game
or are we just forgetting that he played for us?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, 279 yards
in the first half.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he also had 2 ridiculous TD runs
of something like 70+ yards each, though one got called back for a holding call on the other side of the field, 10 yards behind the play (those are some of the most ridiculous penalties, when a TD is negated because someone did something that wouldn’t affect the play at all)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That game is on the all time highlight reel in my noggin.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, they say the cold helps with brain functioning
and it sure was cold that day. But yeah, it was definitely a fun game to watch.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It sure was
and what a nice senior day for it being my senior year.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, it was my super senior day ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my senior day
of high school, the only psu game i ever attended before deciding to go to PSU. Hands down, barely the coldest i have ever been
by PSUgavemeAnAlcoholproblem on Nov 12, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching that game
I was in Champaign-Urbana during the MSU-PSU game. I was there to watch the Lions play the next day. Wrap your head around that one.
by Cairo on Nov 12, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1999 Michigan
That was MY last home game as a PSU student, and I could only stand in the student section helplessly as I watch LaVar Arrington drop into zone coverage play after play and Brady throw huge passes at whoever Derek Fox was covering as we played prevent defense. I still get ill thinking of it.
by jjl207 on Nov 13, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not exactly an expert on lines
So I’ll just say I agree with jesse.
Also, I LOVE that 17 point line in the Ohio State game. Unless Iowa’s defense suddenly starts sucking, they’ll cover.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Usually I would agree with you. But for our game this week I just can’t rationalize a 26-point spread at all.
We’ve played 10 games this year, and we have beaten exactly 1, Eastern Illinois, by 26 points. We have not beaten a single FBS opponent by that margin. (Nevermind a conference opponent, at noon, after our biggest game of the year.)
Indiana has lost exactly 1 game by 26 points or more, and that was against Virginia. I did not watch the game, and I have no idea how they got completely shelled in that one. Last week they lost by 3 to Wisconsin, and were in it/beating Iowa for 3 quarters (plenty of INTs, though).
Plus, if you actually look at how they match up, they may just have the DE’s to give us a really hard time…
Maybe on Sunday I will look like an idiot, but looking ahead towards the game a 26-point spread is huge and I don’t see how it is warranted.
by rbz14 on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*=
“Last week they lost by 3 to Wisconsin. And the week before they were in it/beating Iowa for 3 quarters.”
by rbz14 on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I was watching their game with Iowa, I came away with the impression that they really got most of their pressure blitzing. And if I’m right, I’ll take our receivers against their defenders.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Indiana spread is probably a combination of factors
Like someone mentioned above, it is Senior day, and Penn State typically does well on those. Also, after we lost to Iowa the “Penn State after a loss since 2005” stats kept popping up. It was something like 11-1 with an average margin of victory of somewhere around 21.
That said, it still sounds stupid. They’re definitely underestimating this Indiana team.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 12, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rittenberg
Has been disappointing this year. I use to read his stuff daily, but now it’s once a week. It’s like he writes the same columns over and over again and just plugs in a different player or school. I can take one look at a post title and know what 75% of the article is going to say. But I guess since he writes for ESPN he has to stick to that cookie cutter format.
by jigalion on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So am I the only one
Rooting for Iowa on Saturday?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 12, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Name one person that isn't a total tool
that won’t be rooting for Iowa on Saturday?
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 12, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sam @ WWAHT
I don’t think he’s a total tool.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're positive he won't be rooting for Iowa?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Nov 12, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what I’ve read we could benefit more with Iowa sinking to 3rd in the B10 and us getting 2nd behind Ohio State, but I don’t really see it that way.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 12, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous
I don’t see it that way either. Above all else: I do NOT want Ohio State to get to claim another Big Ten championship. Iowa is the only one who can stop this, so until we play Iowa again, I actually want Iowa to win out. If Ohio State loses, they’ll have three losses, and will most likely take a hit in the rankings (I’m thinking like 20s), and if we win out, we’d have a better record for a BCS bowl than they would. I don’t see any positives in tOSU winning.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 12, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personal feelings aside:
Penn State is better off from a bowl perspective if Ohio State wins. We are a without-a-doubt 3rd+ pick if Iowa wins, but a hard-to-say-but-probably 2nd pick if Iowa loses.
You could always root for the Iowa win plus loss to Minnesota if you want to have your cake and eat it.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
How does the tiebreaker work for the Cap One? I thought we would go ahead of Ohio State (if they lose to Iowa) due to better overall record.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At that point
there are no “tie-breakers” – Cap One can pick whoever they please that is eligible to be picked. The only stipulation is that they cannot pick a team that has 2 fewer wins than a team that is still available.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Nov 12, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right
Pardon my lapse into ignernce.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
I don’t care what Bowl Game we go too.
Iowa deserves this, plain and simple.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 12, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and if they lose their next 2?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that Iowa deserves to win out
and go the Rose Bowl, it’s effect on Penn State be damned. I was actually a bit suprised when they lost to Northwestern (not because they lost, the way they we’re playing it was only a matter of time) but because I didn’t find myself terribly excited about it.
I’d be happy for Iowa if they won the league. If they don’t Ohio State will win it again, and it’s all our fault because we couldn’t knock them off. And that sucks.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 12, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So StoopsMyAss posts a little post basically saying “hey, we have a slight chance”, right? And the OSU people respond with a post that a) doesn’t make sense and b) is filled with stuff such as “Black Heart Brown Underpants”.
You’re right about our loss to them. It would really suck for this conference to be again be represented by people who make poop jokes.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it
We may be whiny losers, but when it comes to winning by and large we’re as cool about it as anybody in the country.
Ohio State’s fans are the worst winners. They don’t even seem to enjoy it beyond bragging about it.
Ohio State doesn’t have any style at all.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 12, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa wins then loses to Minnesota.
Iowa, Ohio $tate, Penn State and Wisconsin share the title with 6-2 records. The entire league renames itself “ACC-Midwest.”
by Cairo on Nov 12, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, if we were the ACC-midwest, we'd all have 4 losses
and win the league championship.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 12, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
god i hope wisconsin loses one of their next 2 games
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Nov 13, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wasn't surprised either.
It was going to happen one way or the other, you don’t have that many close calls and not be burned by it. And it sure as hell wasn’t exciting at all (except when I heard the final before our game on Saturday), especially since we didn’t live up to our end of the scenario.
It was a lot more exciting when it was Indiana on the doorstep of beating Iowa. The jNW loss was pretty much expected.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 12, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Penn State is better off from a bowl perspective if Ohio State wins. We are a without-a-doubt 3rd+ pick if Iowa wins, but a hard-to-say-but-probably 2nd pick if Iowa loses.
I’m not sure what you mean, but I think we benefit more in the bowl situation with an Iowa win, not an Ohio State one. A 9-3 Ohio State is sure to fall below us (yes, despite the head to head) and probably won’t be BCS eligible, leaving us more the likely to be a potential second Big Ten choice for the BCS. Plus, bowls will generally always defer to overall records when choosing between 2 similar teams (and PSU and tOSU are certainly similar in terms of fans/TV ratings/etc.).
If tOSU wins the game and the Big Ten/Rose Bowl bid, there’s always a chance that a BCS bowl or the Citrus might choose a 10-2 Iowa over 10-2 PSU given the head to head. I think that’s more likely than a bowl picking a 9-3 tOSU over a 10-2 PSU.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 12, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm a total tool, should I
be rooting for Iowa or OSU on Saturday? The double negative is scrambling my meager brain.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BOOOO
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HELL NO
But a little fair warning: if Iowa wins, I am going to be just insufferable.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you kidding Rambler
you are always insufferable. Iowa winning won’t have any effect on that…j/k
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Nov 12, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be happy
if Iowa doesn’t win a game for the next 10 years. My wife is a Hawkeye. My neighbors are Hawkeyes. My co-workers are Hawkeyes. It’s been a painful few years living in Iowa.
by psuiowa on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd be a lot happier
If you just went in and had your heart ripped out and replaced by the same circuitry that they used on Rambler.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
by PaJoe on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
We do lover our Rambler so, tho.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
love our rambler so.
Not lover.
Yikes!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahahaha
BTW, see you here in a few weeks when the Pens travel to MarionBerryburg.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You couldn't pay me to root for Ohio State against anyone.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Other thing - Blogwars
The more I see of Cairo’s HATE WEEK posts, the more that I think it’s some of the best satire in BlogWorld. Last week the Ohio State people came in, and they didn’t realize it was joke, apparently ever. Why would they? It seems like all they ever write or comment on is how much everybody else sucks.
It seems perfectly reasonable to them that we would hate Indiana because Benjamin Harrison has a mole.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 12, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Blogwars
I came away last week feeling pretty dirty. Getting dragged into the gutter with the OSU blogs is not what I want BSD to be about. I’m kind of kicking myself for stooping to their level and responding to some of the trolls. I don’t take the decision to ban someone lightly. I don’t ever want to ban someone just because I don’t agree with them. But at the same time, I’m not going to just open the gates for BSD to be the forum in which OSU fans can come in here to taunt PSU fans after they win, so I instituted a 7 day wait for new members to comment. The Block O Nation guy said I should “man up” and “take off my skirt” to let OSU fans in to “rub it in”. But seriously, if I were walking out of the stadium after a loss and a group of OSU fans got in my face and started telling me how bad PSU sucks, I wouldn’t stand there and “take it like a man”. I’d walk away. There’s no place for that in college football, so I’m not going to allow it here.
So that’s it. It’s been bothering me and I just wanted to get it off my chest.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 12, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's like they expected the waiting period
If you look at some of the troll profiles, it appears they signup during the summer, maybe make one or two posts, then disappear until…Sunday.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And interestingly
when I walked out of the shoe in 2002 after a tough loss, some jackass ran up, jumped right in my face and started shouting about how bad penn state sucks. It was one of those things where you don’t even know how to react, and it was over before I really got a hold of the situation.
But then last year, we win, walk out, and if felt like leaving church….good games, good lucks, all class. So that’s interesting.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's an interesting phenomena
I think the classy people are there at the satadium either way. But when the home team loses, all the classless jerks run away and avoid contact with the opposing fans because they are embarrassed. But if they are emboldened by a win, they go out of their way to taunt the visiting fans.
I really do think it’s a small segment of any fan base that behaves this way. It’s unfortunate that they exist at all. Just treat others how you’d want to be treated if you were visiting their stadium.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried trolling once and it sucked
all I got was words appearing on a computer screen a few minutes later
but I felt like I was the better person and a more manly than the other guy
by Cairo on Nov 12, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Seriously, the last thing anyone wants is for BSD is for it to turn into Fark, or the ESPN message boards. That’s the only reason I logged back in on Sunday — because I knew it wouldn’t devolve into a massive flamewar meltdown.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 12, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The other reason for the 7 day wait
I knew there would be PSU fans signing up just so they could say “Joe Must Go”. I didn’t want to hear that either.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 12, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both reasons were totally reasonable.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a chore to read BSD right before and after the OSU game
I kept trying to get the BSD posters’ perspectives on why we lost, what we need to improve, etc, but it was real hard weeding through all the OSU crap. I’m glad that week is over.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Nov 12, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I found it funny
that in the nearly consecutive lines, he called us classless for pre-game taunting and such and then told you to man-up and let them come in here and do the same.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't help
by swimming in it either. I’ll tone it down or better yet just not respond.
by penntatefan on Nov 12, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well said... .
I am a new member but avid reader. I had to wait but was fine with the decision. I was actually shocked at their comments
by psu in the w-b on Nov 12, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike
I agree with you on the 7-day rule, as well as your sentiments reguarding this scenario. I equate the idiot fan, OSU in this case, to a Chad Ochocinco. When you hear them yapping, you realize that they actually lack the capacity to understand what it means to win/lose with class. Class goes so much further than the football field, so trust me when I say, I’m sure they get what they give. On to Indiana. Man am I hoping for a win with style points on Saturday…
by stewsplace on Nov 12, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's an insult
to Ochocinco. He has way more class than the rank and file OSU fan.
Seriously, he’s actually pretty entertaining and funny. As he’s matured, a lot of his antics have become more tongue in cheek than just outright trash talking. OSU fans: not entertaining, and no sense of humor.
by gcdyersb on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Wifey stopped by one day while I was watching PTI when he was on and asked who he was. I told her about the name change thing and we were both openly scoffing.
Then the interview happened. At the end, she was all ‘wow, I like him.’
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
85 said in an interview the other day,
he expects to be playing wide out in the NFL at 45!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
by PaJoe on Nov 12, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably will
He doesn’t have to play defense and get blindsided by Ward twice a year.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keith rivers on the other hand...
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Nov 12, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clark
A bunch of my friends that are PSU fans have been getting on Clark again after this loss. I know this post and the BSD community haven’t been following suit, but I am dumbfounded at what I hear. When teams play very good defensive teams, they don’t usually put up 30+ points in a game. In the OSU game, our field position created an overly conservative play call strategy, and this coupled with no running game = there wasn’t much Clark could do. This is also the guy, barring a concussion, that could have easily led us to our first undefeated season last year since…..people have such short term memories its unreal. Sorry if I’m preaching to the choir
by stewsplace on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's coaching.
Without Devlin, the risk of losing Clark is too great so the coaches don’t allow him to run. Without the threat of Clark running, the zone read died as well. Without the zone read, the Spread HD died.
This season is really about percentages. If you allow him to run, you have a 50% chance PSU goes 13-0, 50% chance he goes down and they go 8-5. If you don’t, you have a 20% chance they go 13-0, 80% chance they go 10-3. Which is better?
by Cairo on Nov 12, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On Clark running
His running is just different. It’s so weird to watch this year, now after he’s developed so much as a pocket passer. Even the called delayed runs look silly, but last week’s were probably a product of his composure issues vs. pressure (they didn’t look AS silly against Illnois and Minny).
Flip the script and take a running qb who’s trying to learn how to pass (Newsome or Pryor), and they look more natural running with the ball.
I never in a million years dreamed they would be so exclusive.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
at first I bought the idea that it was play calling, but quarterbacks who can run often take off on pass plays. He never does this anymore. I think a lot more of this is Clark committed to the pass than the OC’s committed to his health, although I’m sure both are relevant.
Although, he has been putting up 60%+ in every game we won, FWIW. But he’s also had a long over 13 yards just once this year.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with your agreement
I think a lot more of this is Clark committed to the pass than the OC’s committed to his health, although I’m sure both are relevant.
This is kinda ironic isn’t it? I mean, you want your QB to actually continue through his reads and follow the check-downs, right? But, against a terrorizing D like OSU’s (and make no mistake about it, that defense is 5x better than last year’s which was more famous; I mean, they did to Jeff Byers & Kristofer O’dowd what they did to Stop Sign & Scarecrow), we’re sitting there going ‘tuck it and run, dude, RUN!’
It’s a really weird phenomenon, replete with metric assloads of Irony.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
Clark aslo packed on some pounds in the offseason…so adding that to everythin you just said…he just looks less agile and slower…
by stewsplace on Nov 12, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thought I remembered
Clark saying his playing weight was the same?
by jimbo2psu on Nov 12, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I recall that as well
everyone was harping on how big Clark was, and I think JayPa was like “yeah, so what? he was the same weight last year”
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he just bulked up a lot
you can do that and maintain weight if you’re in your early 20’s and play college football. Sadly, I only know how to add weight and no bulk.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly
I have added weight and bulk . . . but it’s all around my waistline.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 12, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant muscle bulk
I only know fat bulk.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I agree to an extent with the “let’s not run and chance getting Clark hurt” gameplan, and it absolutely has affected, directly and indirectly, people’s impression of Clark this year.
Regarding play calls, don’t special situations require special tactics? OSU is not Minnesota or Illinois, so why treat them the same? And I understand not wanting to make a mistake in the backfield, but I just expected more from the coaching staff, at least in the second half – usually we make very good adjustements coming out of the locker room. We’re also at the end of the season, so can’t we afford risking Clark to injury for the sake of a W?
by stewsplace on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine risking Clark's shot
at a pro career in a set of games against Indiana and Michigan State would be very bad form, indeed.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was
just referring to risking Clark in the OSU game….Indiana and MS don’t feel like they would warrant the same risks
by stewsplace on Nov 12, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if
Scarecrow and Traffic Cone would have managed to open holes for designed runs. It seems like trying to run Beachum more would have been a viable choice, though.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Game Plan
The game plan in general for the OSU game was ridiculous. The two games PSU has lost this year is a direct result of the Lions going into ultra-conservative mode. Yes the OL sucks…..but the coachig staff doesn’t help them any when they make predictable play calls. Clark is not Clark when he sits back in the pocket the whole game…..he definitely should have run more in the OSU game. He also should have been in the gun a lot more than he was. Also don’t why PSU didn’t use an RB to help chip on Heyward since he was running over the OL. The staff needs to get the special teams in check too. I am not one that thinks we need a special teams coach (most schools don’t have one) but obviously more time needs to be dedicated to special teams in practice and/or some personal changes are needed.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Nov 12, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They used Royster to help block Heyward on the first play of the game
Which was a sack.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a disaster
I kind of suspect Royster was somewhat uneasy after spraining his knee in warm-ups. He was fine physically, but was still feeling things out initially. He whiffed badly on that block. Not that he could have stopped Heyward, but didn’t do jack to slow him down, either.
by gcdyersb on Nov 12, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was done a lot...
And if Royster couldn’t get it done then they should have went with Beachum who is a bigger back. I also seem to remember us trying to block Heyward with only Quarless! HUGE MISTAKE! Now maybe if they put both Quarless and the tackle on him….it might have helped. No excuses……game plan sucked on both sides of the ball……Paterno and crew layed an egg!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Nov 12, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
I’ve gone back and forth with some friends on this. On one hand, the hand-off on 3rd and 5 and the constant 2-5 yard outs were extremely frustrating. The argument of Joe going ultra conservative after tO$U’s first TD is legit. But I don’t think we can underestimate the impact of the Heyward and the rest of the d-line. We have no idea if Moye or Zug was open downfield when Clark literally had no time to throw. I would have loved to see a pass attempt of over 15-20 yards, but maybe it just wasn’t there. Maybe some misdirection would work here, like a Powell reverse? I don’t know…
"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."
by PSUtopia on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously can't remember
but did we even try a quick slant? I can’t remember the last time I saw that from PSU.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 12, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1994 I think
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 12, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of picking apart a play here or there
I think it helps to look at the big picture. A majority of people (not in this blog, but everywhere) seemed to think we’d win in a close one. With all the tools we had going in, and all the tools tOSU had, it seemed like we had the edge. When the favored team doesn’t win, to me, it all boils down to two things. Either the players didn’t execute (turnovers / poor tackling / breakdowns) or the coaching staff didn’t use the tools they had to their advantage. And it’s never just one thing, it’s a mixture. The players came out flat, the coaching staff probably didn’t help matters with their philosophy coming into the game, we lost. Badly.
We’ll get the next one.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 12, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2008 against Indiana for a TD with Butler (I think)
We also did it with Mills back in the day.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, it's hard to do a quick slant when your receivers are easily stopped by jamming
Perhaps that’s what the coaches thought after Spievey from Iowa dominated Zug.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but there are ways to avoid that
put the guy in motion, for example.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 12, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Royster?
I remember him catching one in the Syracuse game that Clark threw between three guys. He caught one in the Michigan game, too. I’m not sure if it’s a quick slant, I think he actually lines up in the backfield and goes in motion to one side. If a linebacker is on him i think it’s Clark’s hot read.
"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."
by PSUtopia on Nov 12, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
How’d I forget that.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 12, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They run that skinny post where they motion Royster out of the backfield. Was a TD against Syracuse.
I recall seeing that on Saturday, but the ball was behind Royster.
by Spats on Nov 12, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see someone break down the PSU vs OSU game
play by play, and really evaluate what happened on each play, what broke down, etc. I may try rewatching the game and analyzing it, but my knowledge of X’s and O’s is too limited to really bring much analysis. Best I can do, though, is see how many plays Clark literally had no chance of doing anytihng, and how many plays he had a chance and still didn’t do anything.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what you'd see
is way more battles won by the Ohio State D-line than we could afford, on every drive, and the Ohio State O-line at least providing a stalemate, giving their skill guys a chance to make something happen more often than not. To me that sums up the game. Boring, but hey, they just beat us.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 12, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right, and that's what I'd expect to see
my recollection of the game was basically our O-line getting dominated and Clark not really getting many chances at making plays. If that’s the case, then Clark really deserves no blame. But I can’t imagine he had no chances at all (obviously he made some plays). I just wonder how many times he had the opportunity to make something happened, and still didn’t convert (over/underthrew recievers, didn’t run when had the opportunity, etc).
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 12, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our scoring drive
I can’t bring myself to watch the game again, so does anyone remember what
worked on our scoring drive?
by confirmy on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
long catch and run by Zug
I believe Zug was running a hitch (whatever it was, it was the same route that he had his other catch and run on).
"I'm driven by greatness" - Derrick Williams
by HookMania on Nov 12, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus a bunch of nice rushes actually
It was the success of this drive, not only that it resulted in 7pts, but that it came from a variety of very nice offensive plays, mixed delicately, that had some of us worried perhaps less than we should have been at halftime.
Psu 1-10 at Psu29 PENN STATE drive start at 02:32.
Psu 1-10 at Psu29 22-Royster, Evan rush for 6 yards to the PSU35 (36-Rolle, Brian).
Psu 2-4 at Psu35 3-Beachum, B. rush for 3 yards to the PSU38 (51-Homan, Ross;36-Rolle, Brian).
Psu 3-1 at Psu38 17-Clark, Daryll rush for 2 yards to the PSU40, 1ST DOWN PSU (97-Heyward, C;90-Gibson, T).
Psu 1-10 at Psu40 17-Clark, Daryll pass complete to 5Z-Zug, Graham for 31 yards to the OSU29, 1ST DOWN PSU (21-Russell, A).
Psu 1-10 at Osu29 22-Royster, Evan rush for 6 yards to the OSU23 (84-Worthington, D).
Drive: 5 plays, 48 yards, TOP 05:04
Ohio State 7, Penn State 0
2nd Quarter
Psu 2-4 at Osu23 Start of 2nd quarter, clock 15:00.
Psu 2-4 at Osu23 17-Clark, Daryll rush for 6 yards to the OSU17, 1ST DOWN PSU (36-Rolle, Brian).
Psu 1-10 at Osu17 37-Suhey, Joe rush for 4 yards to the OSU13 (90-Gibson, T;97-Heyward, C).
Psu 2-6 at Osu13 PENALTY OSU pass interference 11 yards to the OSU2, 1ST DOWN PSU.
Psu 1-G at Osu02 17-Clark, Daryll pass incomplete to 82-Shuler, Mickey.
Psu 2-G at Osu02 37-Suhey, Joe rush for 1 yard to the OSU1 (51-Homan, Ross;97-Heyward, C).
Psu 3-G at Osu01 17-Clark, Daryll rush for no gain to the OSU1 (97-Heyward, C;87-Wilson, L).
Psu 4-G at Osu01 17-Clark, Daryll rush for 1 yard to the OSU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 12:28.
36-Wagner, Collin kick attempt good.
Ohio State 7, Penn State 7
Drive: 11 plays, 71 yards, TOP 05:04
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
In everything i’ve seen from the pressers following, Joe and Daryll have said they “loaded up” against the pass. I don’t know anything about x’s and o’s but doesn’t that scream like a soft cover 2 or something? That implies our running game should have been fine and maybe even able to break off a nice run or two of over 10-15 yds. But, if your o-line gets dominated like that, they can bring pressure without a blitz and so we were screwd all around.
"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."
by PSUtopia on Nov 12, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game
and don’t remember every play, but I’m pretty sure they rushed 4 just about all the time. So, yeah, I think your last sentence is what happened.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 12, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Play by Play Chart
This can probably do the trick, without video or stills (thanks for the early-season tease, Mr. Easy! ;) In addition to the drive chart posted earlier by RUTS and cited as beautiful by Sam. The real fun is trying to find the three ‘drives’ where we actually converted third downs, although speculating/remembering which OSU defensive plays were which during DC’s 16 incompletions comes in a close second. The chart helpfully lists the tacklers, making it extra-fun. Here are a few samples.
PSU’s 1st Possession, which could be described as ‘setting the tone’:
Psu 1-10 at Psu16 PENN STATE drive start at 14:02.
Psu 1-10 at Psu16 17-Clark, Daryll sacked for loss of 6 yards to the PSU10 (97-Heyward, C).
Psu 2-16 at Psu10 17-Clark, Daryll pass incomplete to 20-Smith, Devon.
Psu 3-16 at Psu10 17-Clark, Daryll pass complete to 22-Royster, Evan for 3 yards to the PSU13 (36-Rolle, Brian;51-Homan, Ross).
Psu 4-13 at Psu13 41-Boone, Jeremy punt 37 yards to the 50 yardline, 82-Small, Ray return 41 yards to the PSU9 (11-Bowman, Navorro).
Drive: 3 plays, minus 3 yards, TOP 01:31
This one’s my favorite. Includes two third-down conversions, 48 yards of advancement and not even a FG try. Could be argued that it was the proverbial nail in the coffin. Even in the second quarter.
Psu 1-10 at Psu07 PENN STATE drive start at 05:48.
Psu 1-10 at Psu07 22-Royster, Evan rush for 4 yards to the PSU11 (36-Rolle, Brian).
Psu 2-6 at Psu11 22-Royster, Evan rush for 4 yards to the PSU15 (51-Homan, Ross;90-Gibson, T).
Psu 3-2 at Psu15 17-Clark, Daryll pass complete to 5Z-Zug, Graham for 13 yards to the PSU28, 1ST DOWN PSU (51-Homan, Ross;4-Coleman, Kurt).
Psu 1-10 at Psu28 17-Clark, Daryll pass incomplete to 2-Powell, Chaz (5-Chekwa, Chimdi).
Psu 2-10 at Psu28 22-Royster, Evan rush for loss of 4 yards to the PSU24 (97-Heyward, C).
Psu 3-14 at Psu24 17-Clark, Daryll pass complete to 5Z-Zug, Graham for 26 yards to the 50 yardline, 1ST DOWN PSU (4-Coleman, Kurt;50-Brewster, Mike).
Psu 1-10 at Psu50 17-Clark, Daryll pass complete to 2-Powell, Chaz for no gain to the 50 yardline (36-Rolle, Brian).
Psu 2-10 at Psu50 17-Clark, Daryll pass incomplete to 22-Royster, Evan.
Psu 3-10 at Psu50 PENALTY OSU offside defense 5 yards to the OSU45.
Psu 3-5 at Osu45 17-Clark, Daryll pass incomplete to 5Z-Zug, Graham.
Psu 4-5 at Osu45 41-Boone, Jeremy punt 45 yards to the OSU0, touchback.
Drive: 9 plays, 48 yards, TOP 03:38
This one was the first possesion of the third quarter. It contains our last 3rd down conversion (look how we responded to a little bit of success!) and was followed by 6 additional possesion ‘opportunities’ that included only two more first downs and not a single FG attempt.
Psu 1-10 at Psu23 PENN STATE drive start at 14:56.
Psu 1-10 at Psu23 17-Clark, Daryll pass incomplete to 10-Quarless, A..
Psu 2-10 at Psu23 22-Royster, Evan rush for 8 yards to the PSU31 (84-Worthington, D;51-Homan, Ross).
Psu 3-2 at Psu31 17-Clark, Daryll pass complete to 5Z-Zug, Graham for 16 yards to the PSU47, 1ST DOWN PSU (21-Russell, A;5-Chekwa, Chimdi).
Psu 1-10 at Psu47 17-Clark, Daryll sacked for loss of 7 yards to the PSU40 (97-Heyward, C).
Psu 2-17 at Psu40 17-Clark, Daryll rush for 6 yards to the PSU46 (97-Heyward, C;87-Wilson, L).
Psu 3-11 at Psu46 PENALTY PSU holding 10 yards to the PSU36.
Psu 3-21 at Psu36 17-Clark, Daryll pass incomplete (51-Homan, Ross).
Psu 4-21 at Psu36 41-Boone, Jeremy punt 52 yards to the OSU12, 82-Small, Ray return 7 yards to the OSU19 (1M-Morris, Stephon).
Drive: 6 plays, 13 yards, TOP 03:19
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see Hayes back for another year
If he, Crawford, and Lattimore all improve, and Ogbu comes back, our D-line will be nasty next year.
From the article, it doesn’t seem like the NCAA has much ground to deny him a 6th year of eligibility. The guy blows out both of his knees in two years, the chances of that occurring to any player must be pretty high, even if an ACL injury is a relatively common injury for a football player. Obviously it’s a personal opinion, but the guy definitely deserves it.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 12, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I’m real curious whether he’ll get his step back or not. But, aside from it being the National Commmunists Against Athletes (/bosworthed), it should be an easy decision to grant him another year.
Don’t forget Jordan Hill! He’s my new favorite up and comer. And Devon Still. I think Joe’s taught us not to depend too heavily on BWare, but it does sound like Sir Jack has the work ethic to continue to improve, and he may end up with a breakout year here soon. But, yeah, keep giving LJ a deep rotation.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 12, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have mentioned the up and coming D-liners, but I was focusing on starters coming back
but I totally agree, Hill and Still have been playing great this year when they’ve been in for a unit we were worried was way to thin on depth this year. Losing Odrick is a big loss, but if there’s one unit that we always seem to worry about, and probably shouldn’t, it’s LJ Sr’s D-lines. He’s had his share of disappointments in recruits, but the guy knows how to pick em. And I’m really excited to see what he can do with Easley, Baublitz-kreig, Olaniyan, Royer, Hailes, and Jones (and possibly Thornton, fingers crossed, or a very long shot with Floyd)
I’d have to think, if he gets his 6th year, and he plays well the rest of the season, he gets his confidence back. I was worried about that affecting him too much this year, and it probably has, but he’s been doing fairly well, not Project Mayhem well, but still a solid DE. Another year on the line without injury can only boost that confidence in getting back into the football groove.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 13, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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