Penn State Basketball Preview - Part IV
Don't look now, but basketball season is upon us. I promised myself I wasn't going to ignore it until January like years past, so instead you're getting these hastily comprised posts just under the wire of the season opener.
I already discussed what Penn State has to replace, what they return, and what they have coming in. So in this edition we'll put it all together and I'll take a stab at looking into the future to see how far this team can go. First let's look at the schedule.
I'm not going to go through each opponent for you. I don't have the time, and besides, it's already been done. I suggest you go read the breakdown of the schedule by Battle Does It Again (formerly Crispin and Cream.) I'll just go over the bullet points from what I've read there and around the interwebs.
Is the out of conference schedule manageable? Yes. Is it more difficult than last year? Yes. Is it good enough to get this team in the NCAA tournament. Maybe. There are no obvious clunkers like New Jersey Institute of Technology which killed Penn State's chances last year, but there are no world beaters either. The Nittany Lion's will have limited opportunities to prove themselves against tournament caliber competition. The Charleston Classic should be a much better tournament than the Philly Classic last year, but Penn State can't sleep in the early rounds of the tournament. They have to beat UNC-Wilmington in order to assure a game against an RPI boosting team in the later games. Otherwise Penn State will just come home with a loss and a couple of wins against teams nobody cares about.
The other opportunity to raise some eyebrows will come against the ACC. State draws Virginia in the Big Ten-ACC Challenge this year. The Cavaliers are going through some transition in coaching and players, so it's a game Penn State should have a good chance of winning. And just by virtue of playing in the ACC you know Virginia's RPI will end up under 150. The other ACC opponent will be Virginia Tech in part one of a two part series between these teams. Again, not a team predicted to do a ton of damage this year, but they play in the ACC so it's a chance to boost the RPI. Then of course, Penn State wraps up the two game series with Temple in Philadelphia. Temple isn't what they used to be, but they are always a solid team right in the thick of the bubble come tournament time. And they beat us last year.
Penn State is somewhat unfortunate this year in that they get the toughest of conference schedules. Iowa and Indiana, two teams projected to finish in the bottom half of the conference, only show up on the schedule once. Just about everyone in the conference is returning a lot of talent as well as bringing in some highly talented freshmen. Repeating their fourth place finish from last year will be a tall task.
So enough about the schedule. Let's talk about the players.
In the simplest of terms, Penn State has to replace Jamelle Cornley, Stanley Pringle, and Danny Morrissey. That's an undersized, but very tough and very good forward, a speedy guard with a killer three point shot, and a role player that could hit a three point shot but wasn't the best defender.Penn State will look to replace these three guys on the roster with three forwards (Oliver, Edwards, and Borovnjak) and two guards (Frazier and Marshall). Just by sheer numbers, Penn State should have more depth than they did a year ago even though Edwards will miss the first month with an MCL tear and Marshall may very well redshirt. This should give Ed more options to work with in mixing and matching lineups. And more bodies down low should allow the players to be a little more aggressive and physical on defense. But don't go getting all excited just yet.
The big void I see on this team is leadership. Yeah, there's Talor Battle, and he's fantastic, but who else is going to step up and lead this team when Talor has an off night. Teams are going to be playing "Battle Rules" this year where five guys swarm on the junior point guard every time he gets the ball. Who else is going to step up and say, "Give me the ball and watch me score!" Cornley could do that last year. Pringle could do it at times. To date, nobody else on this team has shown the willingness or the ability to take that ball when the game is on the line and will it into the basket. I'll be looking for that person this year.
Putting It All Together
It's tempting to get wrapped up in what this team did in that magical run through the NIT and think things are only looking up. It's tempting to downplay players like Cornley and Pringle and what they meant to this team while looking at the freshmen talent as an upgrade. While guys like Frazier and Edwards may one day go down as some of the greatest Penn State players of all time, for now they're still freshmen. They have to be told where to stand and when to run. They have to go through the reality shock that they are no longer by far the superior athlete on the court. They have no idea what it's like to go through a brutally physical Big Ten schedule night after night.
So for these reasons, I'm holding back my expectations for this team. I think they will play themselves into a good team by the end of the year. I think they will be very entertaining to watch, and I think they will win a lot of basketball games. But I see a team that lost half of their scoring and rebounding from last year. I see a team with no senior leadership. I see a team starting two guys in the frontcourt that haven't really shown me much to date. And I see a team hoping to get major contributions from some true freshmen. They are a team that has to compete in arguably the second toughest conference in the country where just about every team returns a lot of talent in addition to bringing in new talent. I don't like those odds.
I'll say Penn State goes 8-4 through the non-conference schedule. They'll drop one in the Charleston Classic. Then they'll lose to Temple and Virginia because those games are on the road. Then I say they gak up a game they should win somewhere along the line due to the lack of experience.
As far as the conference record goes, I think this has the look of a seven win conference team which would put them right around 7th or 8th place in Big Ten. That would put them right around 15-15. I think the NCAA tournament is out of the question, but based on RPI and their performance last year (on the court and in ticket sales) they will get an invite to play in the NIT again.
You can rip me if you want, and nobody hopes I'm undervaluing this team more than I do. But I think we should expect a step back this year. Any kind of post season action should be seen as a success for this program which is clearly in a rebuilding phase. If this prediction comes to fruition and the team takes a step back, there will undoubtedly be people stupidly calling for Ed's head on a platter. But look out for this team in 2010-2011. The Big Ten should come back to the field a little bit while Penn State returns everyone and adds Taran Buie. It's NCAA tournament or bust in 2011.
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why did they change the name?
crispin and cream: best name eva
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I'm pretty sure it was a given
after he tackled Battle in the midst of a riot post Illinois game. Awesome read, if you havent. http://crispinandcream.wordpress.com/2009/03/06/not-my-fault-i-swear/
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot about this
Awesome game, awesome story
"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."
That was a hilarious post
The Talor Battle “Death Gaze” he got after he tried to kill Talor in the video of the court rushing is priceless.
haha
crispin and cream is so yesterday
ps – nice writeups mike
pps – robert morris looked great last nite.
by CrispinandCream on Nov 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Great blog, man
under any name. Thanks!
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by chocochuck02 on Nov 12, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Whispers
Don’t sleep on Brooks this year, that’s all I will say.
We'll see
We’ve been told that the past two years. He looks awesome in practice! But then he gets in the game and it’s like he’s invisible.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Wasn't it Brooks who stepped up in the NIT?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Jones did, really
He’s the one you’re probably thinking of.
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by Devon Edwards on Nov 12, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Brooks had a good game against George Mason in the first NIT game, but didn’t really do anything after that. By the end of the NIT run, people were cringing every time he hoisted up another line-drive 3 pointer.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 12, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks
Has always been a very skilled defender. Tremendous athlete, great length and size. He just plays sloppy on offense, taking bad shots and not utilizing his solid low-post repertoire. If he can have one of those “put it all together” years, and Penn State gets out of him what they expected when he signed here as one of the best recruits we ever got, it would go a long way to replacing the scoring that Cornley and Pringle provided.
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by Devon Edwards on Nov 12, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think he has the talent
But he gets too down on himself easily. If he can build confidence early in the season, then we will see some of this talent come out. But he thinks instead of just plays too much. He and DJ sort of reversed roles throughout the season, as DJ went from being buried on the bench due to confidence issues, but ended up having a nice NIT run.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 12, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
And Jackson
David Jackson had a couple games where he scored in double digits. We really need him to shake off that sophomore slump.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
He got a lot better toward the end.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 12, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is a reasonable prediction for the season
I also think it will be a step back from last year. But as mentioned, if this team can come together at the end of the season, those back-to-back games to finish against MSU and Purdue could be fun to watch.
It can’t be underestimated that the UNC Wilmington may be the most important game of the first two months of the year. A win there gets you two solid games after that, but a loss is an RPI killer. Although we may not be fighting for an NCAA tourney bid this year, an improved schedule is definitely important.
Before we look ahead to this season, one final look at the winning shot vs Illinois:
HIGHTOWERRRRR photoshops, a chance to continue our domination of Illinois’s home court, playing in what some are calling the toughest conference. I can’t wait.
But really, it’s nice that for once we’re probably actually adding to arguments in favor of the conference’s toughness. Welcome change.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
Please please please
If anyone has any footage of the RIDICULOUS 3 pointers Talor made against MSU, you will probably be bumped to the front page if you add the “Dear Sister” music.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 12, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Plug and Play
All the analysis I’ve seen so far (here and elsewhere) have been plug and play. In other words who will replace last years seniors and how many points will they score. I contend this years team will have a much different style with many more opportunities to score on the run as opposed to setting up for 3s. I also think it will be a much better defensive team. I can not predict how successful this will be but it should be exciting. It will be like when the football team went to the HD offense.
Defense
Is something not being talked about enough. This team will be 5x better defensively. I’m being dead serious
Agreed
We are no longer ‘under-sized’. Our athleticism and size alone should allow for some defensive improvement.
by CrispinandCream on Nov 12, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I loved Danny Boy
But he was about a 2 out of 10 on the defensive scale, and he was so bad that we had to play zone every time he was in the game. I will never forget watching Bobby “Buckets” come in off the bench for Purdue last season and torch Danny for 8 points in two minutes while we stayed in man.
Woahhh
Hold on now. Danny was for sure no great man on man defender and he had his struggles getting off screens, but he was without a doubt the best help defender on the team. He took more charges than anybody. It wasn’t even close.
by CrispinandCream on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
I don’t know man, I know you follow the team more closely than me, but watching that Purdue game may have forever tainted my opinion about Danny as an on-the-ball defender.
I do not mean to be harsh because that kid epitomized everything I love about college athletics, and it kind of makes me like him even more that he had such success on the big time college basketball level despite his athletic limitations. Kid was all balls.
Yeah
Everyone seems to forget he sacrificed his face to the court in the NIT championship game, the guy was a champ (no sarcasm, he played with heart)
Big Four
Penn State will goes as far as the other parts of the Big Four take them. Battle is the leader, but how will Brooks, Jackson, and Jones respond?
What those three do this year will determine how the team fairs more than anything else.
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I am personally stoked about Jones
I feel like he shows a lot of intensity out there and can fire people up a la SMASH.
That and his play really improved as the season wore on.
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