A Student Section In The Country

Penn State v. Akron, Student Section, 12:00 p.m.
One of the running subplots throughout this season has been the paltry showing of the Penn State student section. It's caused grief from any number of angles:
From The Bluehairs: Older alumni/fans are constantly and angrily grousing about how students don't appreciate the limited opportunities they have to attend Penn State games as part of their college experience. These complaints are often accompanied by claims like, "I was NEVER late to a game and ALWAYS stayed until the very last play!" The students care more about tailgating than the team. They can't wake up in time. They're spoiled. Basically, it's multiple forms of "get off my lawn", inevitably coupled with a proposal to reduce the size of the student section.
From The Top: See Joe Battista's (former Icers coach, current executive director of the Nittany Lion Club) whiny StateCollege.com article about late-arriving students.
From Within: Lots of griping is coming from within the student population, mostly from the Paternoville diehards who helped build the student section's reputation over the past five years. The basic argument: if they can be in the front row when the Blue Band takes the field, why can't everyone else?
The truth is a greased pig, my friends. You can corner it, but you'll never fully grasp it for more than a second or two. Late last week, I decided to write something about the student section issues, and figured it would result in a long-winded rant about apathetic, spoiled fans. It hasn't, and by the time I joined my old friend WFY for a little Penn State chat on Friday afternoon, I had practically exonerated the entire student body in my own mind. That's come back to earth a bit, yet I rise in a half-hearted defense of the students.
Okay, let's try to nail down some basic facts.
The student section is roughly 21,000 to 22,000 kids. This is basically half of the University Park enrollment and 25% of the enrollment of the entire PSU system, from Behrend to Mont Alto to Great Valley. That's a large swath of students.
Surprise, the home schedule sucks! No shock to anyone who...well, anyone. So far, home games for 2009 included such luminaries as Akron, Syracuse, Temple, Eastern Illinois, and Minnesota. There may have been another game, though I can't seem to recall it at the moment. Anyway, most of these suckfests started at noon. And I'm not sure how long you have been following Penn State football, but students are always late for noon games, and that's without...
This ass-backwards ticketing system. The current system was created in response to an outcry among students who really wanted to attend games were shut out because other students were scooping up tickets just to scalp them at a significant markup. The result? Good intentions and horrible execution.
Students will be able to sell their tickets for $30 to $60 for up to six games or forward them to a friend on the Web site. They will be able to buy group block tickets and purchase tickets online for themselves and a guest.
Ticket purchasers must pay a 15 percent processing fee in addition to the ticket itself, and guest tickets will include a $29 validation charge. A valid credit card is the only possible means of transaction.
New deadlines for selling and purchasing tickets will be in effect as well: Students hoping to sell tickets must do so by 5 p.m. Thursday the week of a home game.
When terms such as "processing fee", "validation charge", and "resolution booth" are part of the process, is it ever a good thing? A major part of the problem is the inability to transfer tickets after the deadline (in addition to the 5 p.m. deadline, there's a Thursday 4 p.m. deadline to buy a guest ticket). Have you met college students? Whether it's someone from the Class of 2011, 1998 (hi!), or 1978, college students aren't exactly the easiest people to nail down when it comes to weekend plans. Plans change. Friends unexpectedly come to visit, or PSU students take off for a party in another town. In a paper ticket system, tickets could be bought or sold right up until gametime, and often for a price far below the $30 price floor set by Penn State's current system. Instead, many of today's student seats are going unfilled due to an inability to transfer extra or unwanted tickets after the Thursday afternoon deadlines.
Yeah, the current students are a little spoiled by success. It's true, and the student section is probably a little too big. And this brings us back to my running gripe about the university trying to perpetuate the magical 2005 season. Not that there's any turning back at this point, but I'll lay this out one last time*. The raw emotion that built up throughout the 2005 season was the result of years of losing, a ridiculous last-minute victory at Northwestern, a defining leap forward against Minnesota (punctuated by this Michael Robinson run), and a week of "oh my God, I hope we're ready for this" leading up to the Ohio State game. And after that draining victory, Kirk Herbstreit saddled Penn State with this:
Kirk Herbstreit Declares PSU Best Student Section (via absolutepigskincom)
Which, okay, yeah. They were the best student section in the country on that night, because they suffered through unimaginable suck of The Dark Years and finally were able to release that emotion. But Penn State took that Herbie quote and ran with it -- it was on t-shirts, all over the internet, and is now on signs above the student gates leading into Beaver Stadium. But it must be true, because Kirk Herbstreit would totally never say such a thing about any other student section, especially not one short year after he said it about Penn State's students.
"The Best Student Section in College Football" (via txaggie2011)
But whatever, that's ESPN and modern sports journalism for you. Everything is BEST EVAR until the next "best ever." Regardless, it's an impossible standard to maintain. When the lights fade after a huge game but the self-promotion machine remains unstoppable, Penn State fans are left holding their students to a standard that (1) the students didn't really ask for, (2) can't be replicated on a weekly basis, and (3) isn't really fair or deserved, anyway. And the football marketing people are left attempting to extract every last drop of energy from the 2005 season, and most especially that unique set of circumstances that led to the best and loudest atmosphere in Beaver Stadium history. Although, let's be honest, what was Guido D'Elia supposed to do with that Herbie quote, ignore it? It's D'Elia's job to promote Penn State's football program to fans, media, and recruits. We can argue all day about the best way to go about that mission, but that's the mission. He was handed the ultimate soundbite by one of the premier college football pundits, right?
Look, students are students and fans are fans. They enjoy tailgating, hate noon kickoffs and crappy opponents, and will inevitably arrive late for noon games against crappy opponents. There has always been a small segment of fans who will show up early, be loud throughout the game, and stay until the final whistle -- and bless their big hearts for it. The cold truth is that those people are a small segment of the fan population. You were never late when you were a student? Good for you! You're a Paternoville camper and stand in the front row? Good for you, too! To the average fan, student or otherwise, these games can't possibly match the emotion of the 2005 season because the team has done quite well recently. There's no hunger, no suffering from which to rise.
The "best student section in the country" may well show up for this weekend's Ohio State game, but it's not because they're the best student section in the country. It's because they're a student section at a really important game. Still, it doesn't really help matters when people like Joe Battista are issuing snarky, condescending rants in the local media:
What is going on with your attendance at our athletic events?
Most glaringly, what's with the empty seats at football games?
There were as many snowmen observing the game in sections EAU and EBU as there were PSU students for a 3:30 p.m. game vs. Minnesota two weeks ago. I understand the weather issue, but where are the school spirit and the old college try and extra effort to support the team?
Before I go any further, I want it on the record that I think we have the best student body in the land. Hands down…most of the time.
There's your problem, sir. "Hands down...most of the time". Later, Battista asks, "Are we the 'Greatest Show in College Football' with the 'Best Student Section' only for 8 p.m. games in good weather?"
And the answer is no, of course not! That 2005 Ohio State game was played in an awful, cold drizzle. This year's Iowa game was even worse, but the whole stadium was into those games because of the circumstances, not because they felt compelled to live up to a fabricated reputation based on cheesy white t-shirts and stadium hype videos.
Students buy season tickets for roughly the same reason as the general population: one or two big games (maybe three, if there's some sort of scheduling anomaly or a random Big Ten team springs to life for a season) which are watered down by the dregs of the college football world. And I can guarantee (hands down, most of the time) that the students will be present in full force** when the Buckeyes and Lions kickoff at 3:30 p.m. Saturday. Not because of some temporary, imaginary title bestowed upon them my Kirk Herbstreit, but because the circumstances demand it.
* - We all know this won't be the last time. This issue is my baby and I'm not letting it go.
** - But you kids might want to think about leaving the tailgate 30 minutes earlier than usual as to not make yourselves look like total frauds, okay?
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It's all the new ticketing system
That’s at least 85% of it.
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Come on man
I already can not keep track of all this site’s memes, I do not need another one.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
ba-dum-psh!
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well Sack up and remember them
ZUG dammit.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Wait, a sec
when we became family friendly BSD we decided to replace curses with Zug, so I think that should be ZUG zuggit.
Not to get off track, because we never do that here ;-)
but is dammit a bad word? Seems like an elementary school playground bad word to me. “God dammit” you used to not be able to say on TV (I think it’s kosher now so long as it’s late-primetime TV). So “Zug dammit” would be a play off of that. Anywho, back to comments, I’ve got about 250 to read.
Yeah I wouldn't call it one.
I just wanted an excuse to add to the insanely large amount of memes we have here discussion.
i barely tried the new ticket system and it sucked...most of the time
[head a’splode]
We decide when you hear the snap count...
i barely tried the new ticket system and it sucked hands down...most of the time
don’t forget the “hands down”
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Nov 2, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
No, no, you've got to play it off of his original statement, like this:
85% of the time, it’s the new ticket system sucking…most of the time
I was prepared to BBQ the students
Until I saw the weird restrictions in the ticket exchange policy. And now that the University has their teeth into it, it’ll be here to stay.
Thank you, Ticketmaster, and all corporate sponsors!
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
mmmmm, BBQ'd students
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Nov 2, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
i think next season
students should have to pre-pay for BERKS hotdogs and ice cold PEPSI before games. also, first priority will be given to students who go to ROCKVALE OUTLETS and purchase tailgating supplies.
Penn State…i will be thanking you for my money now…and no…i don’t want it as LionCash
We decide when you hear the snap count...
AT&T....VISA....Berks Hotdogs....PNC....McDonald's....Outlet Stores...Hershey Medical Center
"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden
So wait, the students have to hurt themselves AND travel to Hershey to get themselves fixed?
That introduces TWO things I thought PSU was trying to stamp out:
(1) Less drinking leads to fewer injuries.
(2) Drunk driving, especially 90 miles through winding roads, is BAD.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I personally enjoy the winding roads sober... in my old Audi.
In my new Honda, I can’t stand it. And I assure you, most of the students do not have almost brand new German vehicles to throw around the turns.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Does this mean?
Lowe’s will be the official sponsor of Paternoville.
Let’s build something together
by PhilipsburgPhantom on Nov 2, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
And yet
you still missed the worst part (or at least it wasn’t in your article). The new system STILL doesn’t achieve its stated goal. (It does achieve its real goal of making the University more money.)
If you were to log onto the Student Ticket Exchange right now, you wouldn’t find a single OSU ticket. Does that mean they’re not being sold? No. Check craig’s list. The “forward for free” loophole allows students to accept cash outside the system in exchange for forwarding their tickets “for free.” Goodbye $10 EIU tix, but the $200 OSU tix are here to stay!
I was just about to post this same exact thing. I think it was a few weeks ago they announced they weren’t even going to try to do guest tickets for osu. All the system did was make the cheap games more expensive so they can take their cut of it. The bigger games are all just being sold on craigslist.
by mjs2103 on Nov 2, 2009 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didn't run across this in my research.
What is this “forward for free” deal? Explain. Go.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
There are two ways to get rid of a ticket
for a game you’re not going to. You can sell it for $30-$60 through the Student Ticket Exchange System (the person buying will have to pay anywhere from $36.45 to $70.95 due to extra fees). You have no control over who the buyer is. You list it – if it sells it sells; if it doesn’t it doesn’t.
OR You can forward your ticket to a specific student for free. The idea is that you’ve got a close friend who needs a ticket; you don’t want to go to a particular game, so you benevolently send your ticket to them at no charge (except they still have to pay a $1.95 TicketMaster processing fee). Except this is an obvious loophole and it’s being exploited. People are auctioning student tix just like the used to – they meet and exchange cash in person, then forward their ticket “for free” to the buyer. So if you’re trying to buy an Iowa/OSU ticket 2nd-hand, you won’t find it on the Student Ticket Exchange System – the price controls have no effect. You’ll have to pony up lots of cash like you used to with paper tickets. Only now it’s just less convenient. And the University gets to pretend they’re doing the students favors while profiting off of cheaper games at the students’ expense. More here.
Get off my lawn!
I’ll play the meanie alumni I guess.
I wish you could have got a picture of the scoreboard to go with that student section. Being pregame I bet it said something like, “Welcome to The Great Show.” Or maybe it had a video of the student section painted white and jumping up and down to zombie nation…back in 2005.
I feel bad for the students. I really do. This ticket exchange program sounds like a total mess. But come on. Are you telling me 10,000 of the 22,000 students who bought tickets couldn’t make it to that game and tried to sell their tickets? Why even bother buying the entire package of student tickets if you just want to go to the Ohio State and Iowa games? Drop a couple hundred bucks and just buy the tickets to those games off a scalper.
I can see why the tickets are a major burden on selling your tickets, but I also see an apathetic student body who can’t appreciate a football game unless it’s played at 8 PM against an opponent ranked in the top ten. For every great prime time showing they give us, they’re giving us two embarrassments like the picture above. Go to the game and support your team.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
FYI, that picture was taken...
…by me, from the upper south end zone, at exactly noon of the Akron game. Just to put it in context for y’all.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
You climbed all those ramps?
Damn. New Wifey must be gettin you in shape!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Far from it
Although we somehow got onto a super secret, skinnier, steeper ramp for the Minnesota game. It was awful.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Saved me the trouble.
Us meanie bluehair/nohair alumni gotta stick together.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
Why even bother buying the entire package of student tickets if you just want to go to the Ohio State and Iowa games? Drop a couple hundred bucks and just buy the tickets to those games off a scalper.
Because those games combined would cost roughly the same as the season package (maybe less this year since we didn’t win the Iowa game, making the aOSU game cheaper to scalp). Its still just as economical to buy the student tickets, and ZUGforbid you find yourself at one of those ‘other’ games.
As far as the ‘only 8 PM against uber-ranked opponents’ claim. I can see why that would be the charge, but lets remember the home games that don’t fit that mold this season. They were all at noon, against terrible teams or in what was supposed to be pretty awful weather against a B10 team nobody else seems to care about. Not exactly highly anticipated games.
Lets see what happens this week. If the student section is still VERY empty by kickoff and doesn’t look like its filling in rapidly, then theres no doubt theres a problem. I think the student section will do just fine this week. Not full an hour before kickoff like the 05 game, but lets forget about that as a standard.
I’d expect the bleachers to be filled to right about the overhangs in the FR/SO sections and something like 10-15 empty rows at kickoff in the taller sections (something like 90-95% full) with them all filling in by the end of the first quarter. Not an amazing turnout, but not smowmen in the sections embarrassing either.
So, the next step.
How to fix the student ticketing problem? Just go back to paper tickets and let the kids scalp ‘em. Tie the tickets’ availability/priority to GPA, maybe. At least the tickets will be used.
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions
Here's what I'd do
Sell student tickets individually. Let the students scarf up Big games if that’s all they want. Then on August 1 I take any leftover tickets and sell them as general admission to the public. Or I hand them out to the people who donated to the NLC but came up just short in points to get season tickets. The university gets their money and the seats get filled.
As far as the ticket exchange, I can see why there are fees involved. Websites don’t run themselves. There are employees and costs involved with that. But if you don’t have the website, you will have students buying tickets and turning around and posting them on ebay for a 1000% markup. The students have to realize the tradeoff there.
But by letting the students buy tickets ala carte, you hopefully cut down on the number of tickets being sold back and forth.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone describe the "free transfer" thing?
I thought the whole point was to stop the outrageous scalping of the “big” games, so why are they letting this happen anyway? I’m confused.
BSD
There is no free transfer
You can forward your ticket to someone for $1.95, and they need to have a credit card to complete the transaction. Trust me, the only “free transfer” and the one that happens more often than not, is handing your card to a buddy. The swipers don’t check—why would they? I’d bet that happens twice as much as the $1.95 transfer, if not more.
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But for the "big" games
this is happening, right? Isn’t that why there aren’t any tickets for sale on the website? I thought this came up before.
My point: why do they have this option?
BSD
What am I, Curley?
They put that in so they could seem like nice guys when in reality, they know just how bad they’re screwing us over. Words can’t express how stupid I think the new ticket system is.
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I believe...
the idea was that like you could just hand you roommate your ticket if you couldn’t go to West Kansas State at noon, you could just transfer it to them…as long as you abide by the proper timelines and all.
Also, one little catch, to be able to have a ticket transfered to you, you must NOT already have student tickets. This eliminates the ability to bring a guest to games unless the tickets are listed on the exchange.
since i'm no longer a student and it no longer affects me
i’ll play devil’s advocate and say, just go back to the old system.
whether you like the scalping or not, the seats were filled quicker, and were overall more full for the cupcake games.
also, i think if we could somehow (yes i know it’s impossible) get an idea of how many students watched the big-ten away games (i.e. jNU and illnois, not scUM) i think we’d get a better understanding of whether or not the students now are apathetic towards supposed “boring, easy win games.”
i can almost guarantee that most students (i.e. more than 50%) were more worried about getting ready for their halloween parties than watching a game against jNU that WAS NOT in the bag until the 4th quarter. i’m not saying everyone should be super-fans…but to quote G.O.B., “COME ON!!”
We decide when you hear the snap count...
I Second that one
Of course it used to be that anyone could buy a student ticket the day of the game and sit there. Now only students sit there. The new ticketing system is a complete joke. Does anyone really think that the interest has fallen off from last year?
Let’s get over this loyal to your school crap. I graduated in ‘96, but I had to pay for my education. Just like everyone else, I pay for my tickets now. The economy has gone in the crapper and the University comes through with a price increase and an extra home game against a crap opponent. I’d say the University and I are equal at best. I owe nothing. Just like everyone else they do, this is all about money. I paid full price for my tickets during the dark years. They make money on all these transfers, and make non-students pay full price for games like Akron and EIU (instead of buying student tickets for $20)
Greed of the University is why the student section is empty at game time, and afterwards.
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by Captain Hairdo on Nov 2, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot about the other half of my idea
If the paper tickets / revived scalping plan results in astronomical demand, legitimate or otherwise, why not split up the season tickets into two roughly equal packages? For this year, it could’ve been:
Package #1: Akron, Temple, EIU, Ohio State
Package #2: Syracuse, Iowa, Minnesota, Indiana
For next year, it would obviously be trickier with 7 games:
Package #1: YSU, Illinois, Northwestern, Michigan State
Package #2: Kent State, Temple, Michigan
Another crap schedule, btw. Anyway, students would be guaranteed one, but not both, of those packages but would be eligible for the other half via random drawing. Or GPA. Or birthday, like the old military draft.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
omg
next year’s schedule is worse than this year…
who thought that was possible.
also, kent state is FBS?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
I wait for the day they play Army
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by PSUdevon on Nov 2, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, save me a seat when you get to Hell, will ya?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
Well, there's no national guard U, right?
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I meant Kent State
Remember the whole shooting thing?
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And, since you asked..
Army will make its first visit to Kent State on Nov. 13 2010, continuing a series that began just four years earlier with a 17-14 overtime win for the Black Knights at Michie Stadium in 2006.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I was thinking more of
Kent State Basketball Team Massacred By Ohio National Guard In Repeat Of Classic 1970 Matchup
KENT, OH—History and tragedy repeated themselves on the Kent State campus Thursday as 12th-seeded MAC champion Kent State Golden Flashes were decimated in front of a chanting, screaming home crowd by the superior offensive firepower and tactical game plan of the fifth-seeded Ohio National Guard in the very first round of this year’s NCAA tournament.
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“It was an absolute bloodbath,” said Kent State head coach Jim Christian, who said he was “still in shock” from the on-court massacre. “We certainly weren’t ready for what happened out there… It seemed like one minute we were getting ready to square off, and the next they were just taking shot after shot. They kept shooting all day long, and we just couldn’t defend against them out there.”
“It was like they couldn’t miss,” said senior forward Kevin Warzynski. “They were taking shots from the lane, shooting from the perimeter, everywhere… We left it all on the floor, but they just killed us out there tonight.”
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by PSUdevon on Nov 2, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gosh, I hope those students didn't have to protest before noon.
That would be asking too much and savagery.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
Oh... My... Zug.
That may be all at once the most hilarious and morbid thing I’ve ever read.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Nov 3, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
But then where do you put those alumni/visitors/whatever in the stands?
In the appointed “student section”? Then what happens when they complain that we all stand for the whole game and/or they or their kid/wife/etc. can’t see the game because we’re all standing. That’s another problem with the assigned front to back seating method currently, but also adds another problem to your idea: you have no idea where that person is going to sit/stand when they buy that unsold ticket.
I believe it would be one of the inherent risks
of taking one of those tickets. People would know that they’re buying a general admission ticket in the “student section”, and that they are at the mercy of the students’ desires to watch the game in their own way. I think it would only take a few games before most people who buy those tickets are people still wishing to relive the student section experience.
It’s almost the same as buying a ticket as an away fan in the home fans’ seating section. You know the verbal harassment you might be taking on in doing so, and you’re sort of at the mercy at the home crowd’s desires of how to watch the game.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Yeah, but as you said, the university is already vested in this new process
By going back to the old system you’re then removing profit from the university pockets. And the university does not like anyone removing anything from their pockets, let alone cash money.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I would argue
that by destroying the feel and excitement of the game for the student section they have cost themselves more than they realize. When you have a packed house for every game and people are laying the superlatives on, it is short-sighted at best to change the whole system for the sake of a processing fee.
I think the administration is smarter than that, and so I believe their intentions were good. Things may be tweaked in the future to close up the loopholes and such.
My solutions
1. Get rid of the floor for selling tickets (or make it much less like $5 or $10 a ticket). That way people can actually list those crap game tix at a price that people will buy them for. People who aren’t inspired to go can still make “something” by selling and people who were shut out of season tickets can still get a chance to go for cheap. PSU can even charge the same fees on the sale as they do when the tickets sell for $30 currently so they get the same cut — heck, they’d get more since $5 tickets for Akron would probably actually get sold rather than the current system where the $30 tickets just sit there.
2. Make the deadline to “free transfer” tickets later. It’s freaking electronic, no reason it can’t have a limit of 8 or 10am on Sat or “3 hours before kickoff” or something. Allow people to give their tickets to someone else if they wake up too hungover to go to the game or plans change Friday night.
3. Allow for the fees to be paid in person at the BJC in cash. This would allow students who don’t have credit cards to be able to still buy tickets off the exchange or get free transfers form friends.
I think these would actually solve a bunch of the problems with attendance. No, it won’t cause students to magically fill the stands at 12pm for games against East Podunk U, but it will help.
Oh, and another thing: go back to general admission for students (they did this prior to 1993). This would help fill the section in two ways: it would make it quicker to get through the gate (you wouldn’t have the step of having to give students coupons for seats after they scan their cards). And it would allow students to spread out during non-packed games and make the stands look more full since everyone won’t be compressed in the lower rows as it fills from the bottom up.
Oh, also a possible additional option (I’m undecided whether this is a good diea): create some sort of “loyalty” poitns sytem where you get credit by attending football games (and other sports events potentially) which gives you priority for getting next years season tickets or away games or bowl game tickets. Perhaps make it so that you only get credit if you scan in before the 1st quarter is over. This would potentially inspire people who might bail on gonig to the EIU to at least get to the stadium and scan in and byt that point, many would just stay and watch the game.
Just one more thing to add to this, because these are good points
Get rid of Ticketmaster. I don’t know how you’d do it, and we’d have to use the IST college or something to make a system for buying tickets, but seriously, they are just adding to the problems. I hate having to pay the university AND some stupid website just for buying the tickets online (and we don’t have a choice in the matter either). I don’t know who decided on $30 as a minimum price for selling student tickets, but something tells me it wasn’t entirely the university’s fault.
Also, I would love a loyalty system. Punish those who don’t show up. Actually, I’d love to make the system work during the season, not just for the next year. Have a loyalty point minimum so that you have to attend at least so many games (crappy or not) to be able to attend the big games (with the exception for academic excuses and illnesses), then refund the students who don’t have enough points for the big games, and put their tickets up for sale to students online. I don’t know how you’d set up a system like that (and it would bound to be complained about, despite being fair), but you can bet your ass that section would fill up for every game if it meant not being able to be in the stands for scUM/tOSU/Iowa/Alabama, etc. Allow them to miss 1 or 2 crappy games or something like that, and if they miss/skip another, they lose their big game tickets.
just do it like MSU does for basketball tickets
set up 2 different student sections (basically how they have it now with the JR/SR and FR/SO sections. In order to be able to move to the JR/SR section (which would now be open to ALL classes, but with priority to JR/SR) you can only miss 1 game the previous year (any more have to be validated with doctors note or something along those lines).
Heck, I’d even go one step further and just set up a system for buying tickets based on priority points. Say you get one point for every football game you attend, then to be able to register on the first day you need to have 7 or 8 points (depending on how many home games there were the previous year). The next day the people with one less point can register, and so on.
If they really want to be ambitious, they could even tie basketball games into the system, where every basketball game is worth 0.25 points or something like that, to encourage sales of basketball tickets and attendance.
One problem would be for freshmen, but they could perhaps do something where freshmen are eligible to buy tickets at the same level as people who missed 3 games the previous year, or just set aside 20-25% of the tickets for incoming freshmen on a first come first serve basis.
I think a system like this would really encourage people to attend all the games (even basketball games!), and would ensure that you fill the stadium with the most loyal fans first. And I can’t see any real gripes people could have other than “I’m getting screwed out of tickets this year because I missed a bunch of games last year” (again, there’d have to be some system to account for people missing games for legitimate reasons such as illness)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
College students are very unreliable
You might end up meeting a girl on fri, next thing you know you have the weekend with her. Or something like that. Just flaky and finicky.
Also
packed house this weekend.
No doubt.
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Big opponent, 3:30 game, good weather. No excuses.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
but what if you meet a girl on fri, next thing you know
your wife will have murdered you
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
So?
Everybody does. Kills people, murders people. Whatever.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I expect the student section
to be there in full force to show TP just how country they are.
good point
Because its hard to get a ticket for her, hmmm, yes that could have been troublesome. Okay, described it in a way that I had not considered, so I have a little more sympathy for them.
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by WFY on Nov 2, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I was reading the comments
below battista’s article and I thought a good point was made about “glass houses”. In that alumni aren’t always the best at showing up either. That there were quite a few empty seats at the cupcake games and when alumni sell them they go on Ebay for any visiting fan to snatch up, diminishing our home field advantage.
I knew this would come up
Many alumni drive from out of state for the game. A lot of them are elderly, so any hint of bad weather they’re staying home for safety reasons. And since most times you can’t really predict the weather until 48 hours in advance, hard to blame them if they can’t unload their ticket. Some of them also have jobs that require them to work on weekends and such. Sometimes a game must be missed in order to put food on the table. They may have to work the Akron game so they can take off of work for the Michigan game. Alumni generally have many more responsibilities than students do.
Students just have to stay relatively sober and walk up the hill to the stadium. Yeah, they have responsibilities with classes and projects and such, but nobody works every waking minute of the week. You can find four hours on a Saturday to go to the game if you bought the ticket.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
Nothing EVER comes up that would force us to miss a game. We never have big projects we need to do, we never have to unexpectedly go home, we never get sick, we never would rather sleep in and watch a big time game than Eastern Illinois. Come on, man. It’s not THAT easy for all of us.
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AW SNAP!
So, nothing EVER comes up that makes 40% of you guys miss 80% of the games?
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
Let's see
At one point there had been over 2,000 students who had gone to UHS with the flu—myself included—and seeing as we’re college students, at least twice that number was sick but never bothered to see a nurse or doctor. There’s that.
Then there’s the fact that we can just not care about a single game. I’ve missed two games already this year. I was sick for the Temple game, and with my dad going to Philly for a conference, I spent the Minnesota weekend with him rather than go to the game. But because of the weather, and the fact that people who didn’t get season tickets probably didn’t care about that game, I couldn’t sell it for 30 bucks. If I had a paper ticket, I can give it away. Not for $30, or even $1.95.
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well
when you have 40,000 people living in extremely close quarters, living unhealthy lifestyles—Beerios is not a balanced breakfast—it’s a breeding ground for sicknesses. Last month, literally everyone in my group, friends, my roommates, we were all sick. It happens, the bug goes around, and when you’re sick, the last thing you want to do is stand and scream for three hours.
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didn't half the team play with the flu
for Temple and Iowa (and all the practices leading up to those games)? I’m sure they’d rather stand and scream for three hours instead of running around and screaming and hitting and being hit for three hours.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
They're paid for that
Give me free tuition and I’d go to every game, too. Throw in free medical treatments, and all the other perks they get? Come on.
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well, I'm sure there are plenty of students on non-football scholarships
that miss games as well
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't a lot of Iowa players have swine flu?
So blaming swine flu would be like blaming Iowa, which is something I’m comfortable with.
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-J.V.Pa.
Big Projects?
Srsly? I would go to a game hands down over doing a big project – most of the time.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 2, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like her name was Bertha...
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Yeah but she was a project
had potential….barely.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 2, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
HANDS DOWN a project!
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
10,000 of you for the picture above?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
That was Akron?
By the end of the first quarter, it was close to 75%, 80% at minimum. For noon games, it’s never full at kickoff. Eastern Illinois was about half full for the whole game, but it filled up against Akron.
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For noon games, it’s never full at kickoff.
Why is that?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
well partly
because you have to be in line before 11 just to be able to get tickets and in your seats in time for kickoff. Alumni can waltz in the stadium 15 minutes before kickoff and make it to their seats in time.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
You know as well as I do
If we were playing Ohio State at noon, sure. But noon means bad game, it means you’re not going to get too long to tailgate—something almost all members of Fraternities will do—and it means you have to get up relatively early if you want to get a good seat. Throw in the fact that it takes at least 30 minutes from the time you get on line to get to your seat, it’s a recipe for disaster.
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So we agree
The students don’t care about games not played against a ranked opponent. And since they don’t care, they don’t feel obligated to show up.
I’m saying it’s not right. You don’t see a problem with it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
that's not exactly what I said
Penn State football isn’t just about the game. It’s about socializing, drinking, partying, and then it’s the game. So if you have a noon game, and you want to tailgate for an hour, you have to be at the stadium by ten, because the drum major flips at 11:50 and you have to be on line by 11 to be in the stadium by that time. Who’s drinking at ten in the morning? If you get there at eleven, are on line by 11:45, and in the stadium at your seats by 12:30, what’s the big deal? You’re still in the stadium, cheering for your team. Let those who want to tailgate have their fun. This isn’t a problem for games that start after 12 o’clock.
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"Who’s drinking at ten in the morning?"
[looks around nervously and raises hand.]
I fully agree with you on this one, though. 30 extra minutes of tailgating was way more important to me than the first of of PSU v. Abject Patsy.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
10?
that’s a late start when I go.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I had your philosophy
and your group of friends. We were at the stadium at 9 that morning.
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"Who's drinking at ten in the morning?"
shoot, I’m 6 deep by 10am for noon games.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
ok maybe 3 deep, 6 seems a little bit of an exageration
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
We're in the lot at 7am...right when it opens
6 is definitely an under-ageration. By 10 I am usually 8-10 beers deep.
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
you have to be on line by 11
You see, that’s why nobody has any sympathy for you.
Really, 11:00? And you have to wearing clothes and everything? That is a pitty.
Nevermind, you guys are real troopers to get there when you do.
Beat Ohio State.
well, when the choices are
wait in line for an hour to make it to the game on time, or stay and drink and tailgate for another hour, and then get in a much shorter, faster line, but miss half of the first quarter against Eastern Illinois…
I always chose the long line, get to the game on time, but I don’t necessarily think any less of the rest.
Besides, I don’t know a student section in the country that is full for kickoff, even for the really big games, but as long as it is full by the end of the 1st quarter I’m not complaining.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Can you not drink in line at the student gate? I always did that. Not sure if it was kosher, but nobody ever objected.
Take the tailgate with you to the line as much as possible. Heck, bring it into the game. I’d bring a flask in with me. But that kind of forward thinking and planning is why I’m now a straight shooter with upper management written all over me.
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Ever been to a Nascar race?
Obviously not. Most of the races start at noon, meaning that you need to be in line to get in by 11. Most fans, are in the lots by 8am, why? Because they are real fans. And guess what, most of them are a 24 pack deep by 10am. Why? Because they are real fans.
also
because they are rednecks and drink that early 5 days a week
by PSUgavemeAnAlcoholproblem on Nov 3, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
you're an alumni, you walk right in
You think we wouldn’t LOVE that extra hour to tailgate? You get it! Why can’t we?
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The other option too
The noon games wrap up at 3:30. There’s plenty of time to go party after the game.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you've been standing and screaming for 3 hours
Man, that is DRAINING! Especially when you’re hungover and dehydrated. I can’t remember a Saturday when I didn’t crash after the game for at least a few hours
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Comments like this
are what crack me up. You think we don’t know what the student section is like? I’ve been there. I’ve lived it. Probably 90% of the people reading this thread have lived it. It’s nothing new.
And when I bought a ticket, I went to the game. And I managed to show up on time. Even for the noon games.
I can only think of one game where I drank too much and couldn’t go. I was so pissed off I swore it would never happen again, and it hasn’t.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
No, Mike
I know that you went through it, and you’re a huge Penn State fan. Hell, YOU FOUNDED AND WRITE THE BIGGEST PENN STATE BLOG ON THE INTERNET! Did you ever think that some people might not be as big Penn State football fans as you? I am, just about, at that same level, but that puts us in the top 5, 10% tops. Think of the other 90%, who could frankly give a Zug about a game against Eastern Illinois but are right there with us against Iowa and OSU.
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I'm positive I read you're an O$U homer.
Sorry I stopped at arguably the second best Penn State blog you know of.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
That's my own
Even I can’t claim that I’m better than BSD.
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I literally have no idea what's going on
Thanks!
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You kindly mentioned that Mike FOUNDED AND WRITES THE BIGGEST PENN STATE BLOG ON THE INTERNET!
So, I thought I’d give you a shout out.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I actually founded and write the smallest PSU blog on the interent
it is a very exclusive club, though, so if you don’t know about it, then you aren’t cool enough to know about it, and I would prefer to not have you among my readership
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't join your stupid blog if it would have me as a member anyways..
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
The Lesser Erik would, tho.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
PSUDevon is correct. The loyal, hardcore PSU fans — the ones that as students went to every game on time and post on blogs like this — are a small part of the crowd of students but a large part of the rest of the stadium. The 5000 students who don’t bother to show up for Temple aren’t the people who donate to the NLC and buy seasons tickets for the rest of their lives.
Comparing the hardcore alumni to the bandwagon people in the student section seems silly to me.
And, despite the alumni season ticket holds being self-selected for their enthusiasm, large numbers of seats in the stadium remain empty for the same 12pm kickoffs that the students are criticised for. I don’t care if alumni have farther to drive or have jobs or whatever — if you care, you care. and if you are saying the students need to be in their seats at kickoff, then you should expect everyone to do so. It’s bullshit to hold the students to a higher (and unreasonable) standard.
USC vs. PSU 1994
Showed up just as the 1st quarter was ending. Was something like 21 – 0. Where did those days go?
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 2, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I believe Tailgate Shogun and I were thrown out of that game.
Although it could’ve been Iowa.
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was one of the sissy games
like Minnesota or something.
Of course, all PSU home games in 94 were over about 5 minutes into the game, so they all sort of run together. SO MANY POINTS.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 2, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Tales! Stories! Legend! Lore!
Vicarious audience in the house…..
-
Go!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
So in your eyes
Sleep > Alcohol > Penn State Football
by VVeRPennState on Nov 2, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not
Penn State comes first. But when you can combine all three, it’s great.
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I'd rephrase it and say they care more against the ranked opponent
and some dont’ care about games not played against a ranked opponent. I’m not trying to defend the students who don’t go because they are lazy or whatnot, but as for the seats not being full, I’m sure if you had a similar shot of Gate A as you do of the student section, you’d see a good portion of the other students. Not only is/was it a clusterf#$k getting INTO the stadium, but then you’re stuck shoulder to shoulder walking through the tunnels/ramps with the other students.
Yes, if you plan ahead and get in line an hour and a half before kickoff, then you’ll get in the stadium in time for kickoff, but for a noon kickoff that basically means leaving your tailgate at 10 (or leaving your dorm/apartment by 9 or even earlier). Not impossible, but not the most convenient setup either.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, if you plan ahead and get in line an hour and a half before kickoff, then you’ll get in the stadium in time for kickoff, but for a noon kickoff that basically means leaving your tailgate at 10 (or leaving your dorm/apartment by 9 or even earlier). Not impossible, but not the most convenient setup either.
That’s what I always did back in the day. At 10:30 I said goodbye to my tailgate party and we went up and got in line.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Booooooooo.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I as well
but there’s a large number of students that don’t really understand the concept of time and htink “oh, the game starts at noon, we’ll head over at 11:45, the stadium is only like 5 minutes away”
Alcohol also doesn’t really help in judgement or time management skills.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
probably the same excuse
as when they slept through their friday morning class for the second time after staying out way too late on Thursday night.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
booo
not everyone cares. its as simple as that. and since you care sooo much you should write to the athletic department about your plan to fix the attendance problem. do your job as a concerned alumni, but until you walk around to every tailgate and try to tell drunk 18 year old girls to “GO TO THE GAME RIGHT NOW OR ELSE!” there are going to be alot of people who dont care and wont show. I have got to be one of the few people that can name 95% of the team by face r number, and i still dont feel it necessary to be in my seat before kickoff. If i paid for the seat, mind your own business. or write a letter.
by PSUgavemeAnAlcoholproblem on Nov 3, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sound hot?


"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Noon is frikin early dude. I’m making this timeline from the point of view of someone who lives off campus which a majority of Penn Staters are. Say you wake up at 9:30, shower, eat, get ready and get your group together. Get to the bus stop at 10:15-10:30. Bus gets there (never on time anyway) and you turn onto Curtin road around 10:45, the bus then takes another half hour to get to the stop on Bigler due to the crossing guard at Curtin and Bigler who doesn’t know how to do their job. 10 minute walk to gate A. 11:25. You then have to stand in line for another 30 minutes just to get your ticket and another 10 just to get in line to go up into the stadium, let alone buying a beverage or going to the bathroom. 12:05. Now you walk up to your seat. That’s a pretty typical time line. I get up an hour earlier, which is difficult to do, get an earlier bus so we get there just as the gates open when there is no line and sit in the stadium for 90 minutes to avoid lines. But it’s damn hard and both of the last two years I’ve been horribly burnt out at the end of the season from a lack of sleep already enforced by the amount of studying required to actually pass classes, we are students first.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Noon is early?
When I go to the games I usually stay at my parent’s house the night before. That’s 1.5 hours away. I get up at 4:30 AM, I pick up PSUncle at 6 AM in Jersey Shore, and by 7 AM we’re setting up the tailgate party as the sun is coming over Mt. Nittany.
When I was a student, I was up, showered, and out the door at 7 AM to hit the tailgate party. Noon is not early.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
Students just need to man up. Nobody WANTS to get up at 4:30a, or 6:00a, or 9a-11a. You just do it, so you can maximize your time. The earlier you get up, the more time to drink. Plus, at those hours of the day you’re usually just tacking on to your drunk from the night before.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
read note above
i tailgated at 8 am, 80% of the time, everytime. it still doesnt mean id give up anytailgating time to see the opening kickoff. another note to mention is when you were getting up at your parents house… after a nice home cooked meal and a night of discussion, i was fallingasleep passing out somewhere, getting slapped awake by a friend at 745, and throwing on a hoody and getting out the door, if i didnt make it to the game on time or at all it wasnt because of OMG a big project is due. it was because i was a college student, and i didnt know what her name was
by PSUgavemeAnAlcoholproblem on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Come on don’t try and pull that. It fills up slowly because no one is rushing to see a boring game where we destroy a crappy team especially in our non conference schedule. Double that for teams that are FCS. If you miss a quarter of us beating akron it doesn’t matter you can watch the other three that will all have the same outcome. This doesn’t apply to me because I’ve been there early for every game but everytime we play one of those games I’m not mad if other students don’t show up until the end of the first quarter. Akron and the like aren’t anywhere near being ranked.
by mjs2103 on Nov 2, 2009 6:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We would leave our apartment (Gateway) at about 11:15
By the time we finished vomiting on the way to the stadium and got through line, it was about 12:15 before we got to our seats.
And I always got a burger before I went to my seats.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I like how you roll
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Nov 2, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I might be mistaken but...
College is all about learning time management. Proper planning of homework, projects, etc. should allow every home game to be seen absent being sick or too hung over to have some hair of the dog that bit you. No wait, I don’t recall that ever being an excuse either….but that was a different era. We used to have to walk to the games, in the snow, against the wind, up hill, both ways….
I am going to try to explain something...
in the nicest way possible without sounding condescending. Your life, and mine as well while I was there, is not even remotely, or even in the same ball park, as filled with real stress and real responsibility as it is about to be in a couple of years. I feel very very old pulling the, “you don’t appreciate it until you’re gone” but trust me, you will gain a greater perspective when you actually are. 2-3 hours of class a day (and probably not fridays) and a couple hours of work a night is something you will kill for some day.
The last part of your post sort of bothers me. I would always, and will always, watch a PSU game over any other game (tv or otherwise). This is even more the case when I lived in the shadow of the stadium.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
When I was a student I remember thinking it was a 24 hour job. Then I graduated and got a real job. Now I have a mortgage, bills, and three extra mouths to feed. I look back on those college days now and see how much I had it made and didn’t realize it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
If I was more tech savy...
I would have posted the picture of Abe Simpson shaking his fist at the cloud to go along with my mini-rant! But I’m old, and these internets confuse me haha!
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Done.

Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Many thanks!
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 2, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
sad but true
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
So the alumni have excuses but the students aren’t allowed to have their own? It’s A TON more than just staying sober and walking up the hill. I floated through the first three years of college, I did plenty of partying got decent grades and always had a lot of time. Senior year has been a nightmare. There is no time, I have a job to help pay off the 100,000 dollars of debt I’ve accumulated for my education in just 4 years, I have tons of projects and homework to do. Luckily I don’t have to work weekends so I can and do attend all of the games but a lot of others aren’t able to just skip out on work and still be able to afford their lives, so they skip the hassle of the ticket system and hold onto their tickets and finagle at work to get off for the Iowa game or the tOSU game because they want to be in the student section.
Last year I don’t remember there being much of an attendance issue. Eventually (not necessarily immediately at kickoff) the seats were filled. The student body is fundamentally the same as they were last year. Excited from a Big 10 Championship and looking forward to seeing what we can do with the new cast. The only major difference between this year and last isn’t apathy, it’s the ticket system which took basic economics and crapped all over it to create a system that makes the cupcake games too expensive for students to buy and great games too cheap to sell.
The alums are really hopping on the students (who like me) blame the ticket system. They say “It can’t really be that difficult to use, quit being lazy.” As I looked around the stadium during the Minnesota game I couldn’t help but notice all the empty seats in the rest of the stadium. It would appear to me that the alums are just as apathetic about buying and selling tickets as the students are apparently and what’s worse is that you aren’t handcuffed by the crappy student ticket system. THEY HAVE PAPER TICKETS.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Minnesota's a bad, bad example.
We’re lucky we even survived that drive through the snow and mountains from Harrisburg. If I wasn’t playing PSU Tour Guide for some friends, I never would’ve made it.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
You don't have to be sober to walk up the hill.
I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page on that point.
BSD
OK
Let me get this straight…..Alumni are allowed to have excuses but students aren’t?
Because poor pity them had to watch our crappy teams? Sorry they were born before me.
The whole spoiled argument is retarded anyways. When we sucked, they were literally giving away season tickets on the radio station back home in Lewistown.
The problem isn’t the students or the alumni, frankly. It is Guido and the marketing machine. Period.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Just sayin'
I never missed one that I had tickets too and I live 4+ hours away.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
by WFY on Nov 2, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I know, so many Akron fans earlier this season
OMG WE WUZ SO OUTNUMMERD!!
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
Being a "glass-half-full" guy
I mean, we could always “fill” our stadium like they do at jNU. :)
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Greetings from Disney all...
The ticket exchange is BS, the old system of supply/demand with paper tiks worked fine…you can’t make everyone happy….except in little league where everyone now gets a trophy!
The schedule is BS…really who cares about Akron at noon if I was out till 5am getting bombed? I care about resting up so I can repeat my drunken rage!
Oh, and that Joe B guy can suck it…you can’t tell people how to spend their money…if they want to burn the tik or not go to class…its their money they are wasting.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO
killer content here STL
Kudos.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
So yeah, our family has a bit of a drinking problem.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
“I don’t have a drinking problem, except when I can’t get a drink”
One of my favorite in a long line of Tom Waits quotes.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0E7x3Nqys
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by WFY on Nov 2, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm willing to venture the students don't know who we're playing any given week unless they look.
Otherwise, if you cared enough to know, you’d care enough to go, hands down.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
....most of the time.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Damn...
I retract my statement.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
We know who we are playing
And the schedule blows. Temple? Eastern Illinois? Akron? Syracuse? If your heart fluttered in excitement (I can be poetic if I want!) at any of those… you have heart problems.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yeah but
Every year has their share of cupcakes. We’ve always played the Temples and Marylands of the world.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
so doesn’t this prove that something is different this year than last year or the year before that? Unless we are somehow going to think that the graduating class of 2008 was the glue that held the entire student section together it must be something else. Hmm what else has changed? The ticket system.
it seems more like
you are the one being sucked up into the guido hype machine if you think students arent going to be students… when i went to school the stadium was full the night before and we all slept there and walked up hill both ways etc
by PSUgavemeAnAlcoholproblem on Nov 3, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Hands down
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Are we Syracuse?
http://www.nunesmagician.com/2009/11/2/1111333/syracuse-football-fans-need-to
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Its all the scalpers fault, hand down
The electronic tickets remove scalpers from the equation which screws up the whole economics of the system. It was basically the scalpers job to ensure there was a butt in every seat. If one seat ended up empty, then they were losing an opportunity to make money. Without them, there is no one to guarantee that the person who wants the ticket ends up in the seat.
But the people in control
don’t care, really, who is at the game. Just that all the tickets are paid for, which is happening.
BSD
I am not sure who you mean by "people in control"
I would argue that its in everyone’s best interest to have the stadium full not just sold out.
by VVeRPennState on Nov 2, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
All things equal, yes,
but you’re forgetting the “fees” they are taking in on the transfers, plus the cost they are saving by not having to print and mail tickets, plus making sure all non-students pay the $30-or-whatever fee, which was easy to bypass before the paperless system.
BSD
The validation fee last year was the difference between a student and a public ticket, something like $16. Students are scratching their heads this year wondering where they came up with $30.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I'm almost positive
it was way more than $16.
And isn’t face for a student $30? So another $30 makes typical alum face, or $60?
BSD
Face was $22 last year, so validation was about $16 unless the people were giving me a deal both times I went last year.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I thought face was $27 last year.
Validation was something like that, at least.
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
Admittedly the difference isn’t a whole lot but at least last year we knew what the hell validation was. This year it just seems like some arbitrary number someone pulled out of their ass.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I think it's cynical to think this is all about money
If that was the case, the university would shrink the student section in order to allow alumni to purchase a more expensive ticket for the same seat.
by VVeRPennState on Nov 2, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
which they may do if it doesn't start filling up
but even then, there’s money involved in marketing the largest, greatest student section (more applications/students/merchanidise, etc)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
You know, this whole deal would be easier to stomach
if someone just said “look, we don’t care.”
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I was thurrre.
It was SAD. Nobody in the upper deck on the jNW side, nobody in the end zone bleachers. PSU section was rockin’, though.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
You literally didn't see above the field, unless it was an isolated group of 30 people
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
hey, I was in the end zone bleachers
you saying I’m a nobody? :’(
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you just smell really bad.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously - why do they have that 200 level?
Is watching your team lose from the nosebleeds at the 50 yard line that much better than watching them lose from the endzone?
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
This is quite sad
A whole lot of chest thumping and finger pointing in this thread.
I am really trying to get worked up over this but I can’t. It is what it is.
But yeah, We Are Penn State and stuff…woooo family.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Get off my lawn!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
no, YOU'RE all in fun...
oh wait…that wasn’t chest thumped, finger pointed insult…never mind
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
which reminds me of the Olive Garden commercial
“We’ll treat you like family!”
So they treat us that badly, huh?
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 2, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
2005
Really 3 or 4 very good home games with energy. Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Purdue. The opening non-cons were nothing special in terms of energy.
Oddly enough, look at the non-con that year: Cincinnati, South Florida, and Central Michigan. That would be pretty impressive this year, but it’s too bad they all sucked then.
There are
8 home games in 11 weeks this year. I don’t know where the saturation point is, but 8 in 11 weeks has to be close. At some point maybe it’s all just another game.
My first two years the home openers were SoCal and Texas Tech I believe at 3:30. And there wasn’t this ticketing system in place, just paper tickets.
I gotta admit after reading all this: the electronic student tix idea sounds horrible. I can understand some of why the long delay getting into the stadium. But I still don’t understand not wanting to go to every game (i.e. all the talk about selling tickets to other students, etc). But that’s just my take, especially since I only get to 1 game a year (max, if I’m lucky).
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
Thats misleading..
The first part was a joke. And I was implying us old alumni are the truth to students power. lol.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I have a theory for that
Ever since tOSU 2005 happened PSU has been pimping the “crazy game experience” with “the great show” and what not. All of this marketing is not directed at football fans, those who care about the actual game do not need the stadium to be rocking in order to go and have fun. Now that tickets are being marketed towards students who just want to experience tOSU 2005, there are more students who attend based on the predicted atmosphere rather than seeing the game. Add the ticket policy to this and you have our current situation. This is just a theory, and I have no way to prove it is true, I just thought Id throw it out there.
by scotty2hotty89 on Nov 2, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
This is a very good point.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Agree 100%
The greatest show ever crap needs to end. Yeah, PSU football and tailgating is awesome. Just let it “be”. If some games, weather, etc are crappy, well that’s just the way it is. You can’t have a game of the century every single week. Trying to spin some of our ooc games as such amazing best ever events is like trying to polish a turd (terd?).
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
someone needs to vandalize the sign above gate A that says
best student section in the country. that would be a start.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
I'm very partial to "A Student Section In The Country"
Thanks RUTS! Wait.. Is that too country?
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
No, I think that's all very true.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
why are we arguing this?
when their are no worries about the stadium being packed this saturday?!
could we save this moot argument for another time?
i need more hate directed at tO$U, not at its own fans.
Meadville, PA born and raised.
Technically, it's a "moo" argument (us being too country and all)
But I’m sure there are other programs (coughMichigancough) that would love to be having these kinds of “problems”
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
Schedule noncon games that people give a shit about
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Nov 2, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is my face blue yet?
Look, we don’t schedule any worse of an OOC than any other top team. Sad but true. PLUS, 2010-11 brings Alabama, Virginia in 2012-13, and Nebraska in 2014-15. Otherwise check out Florida’s OOC, or Alabama, or Iowa.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
Or, to stick to laymans terms
Stop buying tickets to the games you don’t give a shit about, and start letting people go that do.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
No Nebraska
Nebraska never signed a deal with us. Our “premier” OOC opponent in 2014-15 is Rutgers.
Let's Go State!
wiki has a link to media articles about the plan, but there was never any press release of an agreement with Nebraska. Subsiquently, Nebraska has signed Miami (FL) those years and won’t be able to accomodate any other teams unless they have fewer than 7 home games (fat chance).
Point being, it’s not happening. At least not in the 2014-15 time frame that was initially reported.
I’m hoping that a second decent game gets added during the years when we play Rutgers.
isn't the world ending in 2012 anyway?
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
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Like students will be there early for Big Ten games
that are not OSU, Iowa, or Michigan?
cause they don’t do that, you know.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 2, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thats easy..
Schedule conference games that people give a shit about. Err..
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
by chocochuck02 on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ohio State—Penn State: Week 10 Preview, Free History Lesson Included
Good luck PSU fans – This is the game we Buckeye fans have had circled since last year!
We know we’re going to thump Iowa, so this week in Happy Valley is where the Big Ten can be won (or lost)…
Here’s the preview:
http://blog.blockonation.com/2009/11/ohio-state-state-week-10-preview-free.html
GO BUCKS!
HD
Founder
http://blog.BlockONation.com
circled...circled?
circle…the circle is like your offense. and armpunt mcgee is a….square peg…that tressel is vigorously trying to jam into your circular hole of an offense. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Armpunt mcgee? LMAO, too funny!
Let’s just see what your mood is around 7PM Saturday night if old arm punter leads the Bucks to the W.
I know you guys don’t think we can beat you, but you didn’t think Iowa could win there either, and they are a clone of us, so…….
We’ll just see how it goes, good luck!
HD
Founder
http://blog.BlockONation.com
You're a clone of Iowa?! HAHAHAHA
They would have had 16 turnovers and still beat Purdue thanks to a pick six and shady officiating. Try again.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
@chockochuck
I said Iowa is a clone of Ohio State, we are not a clone of them.
We certainly looked terrible and played even worse, but you do know the Purdue loss was a fluke, right?
If we beat PSU and Iowa, I trust you will accept that then.
Good luck, but GO BUCKS!
HD
Founder
http://blog.BlockONation.com
so OSU losing to Purdie is a fluke
but PSU losing to Iowa is because they are a clone of OSU?
OK, got it.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
except when ricky stanzi throws 5 picks
iowa still beats the severely inferior opponent
We decide when you hear the snap count...
We don't think you can't
we just think that you probably won’t. Good luck though, except this weekend.
We "know" we're going to beat you
just about as much as you “know” you’re going to beat Iowa. As in, we hope so but really have no idea how things could play out since the game hasn’t happened yet.
Good luck against Iowa. I hope your offense scores a point or something.
To the students
belong the spoils. Look, I would love to be in 21 again, pay a pittance for season tickets and live within walking distance to beaver stadium. I don’t, so I pay too much in time, effort, and money to go to one game a year.
But I don’t begrudge the students anything. Drink A LOT! Sleep A LOT (but not too much, you can sleep when you die)! Random sex, recreational drugs, do it all! Honestly. Because one day before you know it, you’re going to be 10 years older with a kid on the way, a wife, a mortgage and other boring and dreadful crap to worry about.
But for now, don’t worry about the job market (sorry about that sh%t) or anything else. Just enjoy yourself. If for whatever reason, that conflicts with showing up on time, don’t listen to these old a-holes who are jealous.
But to paraphrase HST, if you buy the ticket, make sure you take the ride.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 2, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
And I have a new favorite BSD commenter.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
+1000000 green bottles sir
nicely said…. you left out that one day you get an email about your 20th HS reunion and scream.. WTF? 20?
I went to my 20th last weekend
It started just after the meatchicken beat. Good things to celebrate.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
QUICK COVER THE CHILDREN'S EYES! BAD ROLE MODEL ALERT!!!
CONDONING OF RANDOM SEX, DRUG USAGE, AND ALCOHOL ABUSE!!!!
j/k, nicely said
I'll turn this one green
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
In defense of students
They know how to run a concession stand pretty well. Seriously, these untrained volunteers, do a pretty good job.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
Agreed.
Bit of a rough go getting a bottle of water for Arkon though, but I like to think concessions have cupcakes to get ready too.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I figure if i call them Arkon, people will think our OOC included an inter-dimensional team, too.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
We kept going with "Ay-kron"
And really annoyed the people sitting next to us.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have called them "Akon"
for a couple years. As in the rapper. Yup.
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Issue is simple
30,000 students want tickets to Ohio State (maybe more) and only 22,000 or so are available.
Only about 16,000 care about the other home games on the schedule.
Easier for students to get season tix & not use them than want to attend the OSU game and not have them. Especially if mom & dad pick up the check.
Solution
Continue to sell season tickets.
The tickets are only active up to the end of the first quater. That is, they provide you a seat as long as you get there before the end of the first quarter. Tickets are counted as students enter the stadium (electronically of course). The number of tickets not collected then become available seats at the end of the first quarter, these available seats are sold to other students at a discounted rate….say $10 or even $5.
This method
1) Forces students into the game early
2) Provides an opportunity for other students to see a game during thier time at Penn State without spending a huge amount of cash.
3) Allows the University to collect more money. Even more money if they buy a pepsi and a hot dog.
4) Fills the damn stadium.
There is no reason a student should not have the opportunity to see a game while attending Penn State.
You can even extend this policy to the general public. As a local resident, I would love to take my son to a game, even it was 1/4 over and only pay a few bucks to see it.
Probably Illegal
If you pay for a ticket then the university can’t tell you when you should have to show up. If you aren’t a super fan and want to tail gate through the first period and then catch the last three inside then that is your right to regardless of how it makes the student section look.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
they could always rephrase the ticketing if they want
“This voucher guarantees you seating for the first quarter of the game only. If you claim your ticket for the first quarter, then your seating for quarters 2-4 are also guaranteed.”
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Excuses
Ok look, our Student Section holds 20,000-22,000 or 50% of the enrollment at UPark. Ohio State sells 30,000 student tickets, which is ironically 50% of their enrollment. Notre Dame sells 10,795 student tickets which is essentially the enrollment of the ENTIRE CAMPUS. I could go on and on but I am not going to. This has nothing to do with the size of the student section OR the fact that we are now winning. Both schools mentioned have winning traditions and yet SOMEHOW fill their stadiums for EVERY GAME regardless of the opponent. Does our schedule suck this year? Yes. Is it the only reason for empty seats? No. I think it has become the “cool thing to do” at Penn State and kids go when they feel like it and that is it. I think the 3+ hour trip for most alumni has been daunting especially in back to back weekends given the sluggish economy and everything else involved.
Penn State needs to fix the flaws in the ticketing system for students. Their should be no transfer fees. That is total crap. On top of that they need to extend that deadline til maybe 1-hr before gametime. What is the big deal, it is all electronic isn’t it?
In my opinion this problem rests not only on the University’s shoulders for their flawed attempt at fixing a situation but also on the “fans” or the “students” or whoever is buying the tickets and not going to the games.
Both schools mentioned have winning traditions and yet SOMEHOW fill their stadiums for EVERY GAME regardless of the opponent.
That’s not remotely true.
Ok sure
Watch a ND game and tell me their student section is filled to capacity…watch an Ohio State game and tell me the same thing…
OSU students aren't consolidated
They have sections, but they’re assigned seats dispersed throughout the stadium
We could try that—then alumni would see how awesome it is to be able to move down to better seats at halftime
Selling Student Tickets
Nobody happened to mention that the money you get from selling your ticket on the student ticket exchange doesn’t come in cash, but rather gets deposited in your student account as sweet, sweet LionCash.
Nevermind the fact that you can’t pay your bills with LionCash, or even buy tickets to another game with it.
Alright
Just read through all the comments and decided that this whole argument is maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever taken part in. The people who use and post on BSD are good Penn State fans, the alums remember going to every game when they were students and the current students are the ones who go to every game usually before kickoff. I do think that some people are a little out of touch if they think that every student who buys season tickets are the caliber of fan that would be found here. They simply are not. There are certainly students who only care about going to Ohio State or Iowa and will only attend those games and even if they don’t sell their other tickets they figure they got their money’s worth and don’t bother with the hassle of selling with the current ticket system. Then there are the students who attend most of the games, they go to Ohio State, Iowa, Minnesota, they’ll go see the senior’s last day against Indiana and maybe Syracuse or Temple. These students may also show up late to these games. There are other students who will attend every game but maybe not on time. And then there are the students who are highly represented on this site. They get in line before the gates are open and are in the stadium waiting in their seats 90 minutes before the game every single week. Every university is just like this, there are students at every end of the spirit spectrum, it’s just human nature that some people in a group of 22,000 are less enthusiastic than others about something they all have interest in. The alums and the students defending the other students will never come to an agreement about this so let’s put it at this… yes, some students just don’t care enough about Penn State football to attend games or show up on time. But you’re foolish if you think this is the first year it has ever happened, there were students when you went to school that didn’t care enough either they were just able to sell their tickets off easier in an unregulated market with a large number of buyers ready. I have a lot of friends who would be those awesome fans, who would love to go to Ohio State or Iowa or Eastern Illinois and cheer their hearts out, they sit online Monday to Thursday waiting but no tickets ever appear for them whereas a student in your day and age would flip on the ham radio or whatever you used to communicate while you walked uphill to class in the snow.
I think though that we can all agree, we go (went) to the best university and cheer(ed) for the best football team in the country week in and week out regardless if the stands behind us were full. I know I’m looking forward to Saturday afternoon, there is no doubt in my mind that the student section will be full and as loud as you will ever remember it being as we welcome Terrell Pryor to the stadium he thinks isn’t too loud. Maybe there isn’t a problem, maybe there is, maybe there’s always been a problem that the re-tooled ticket system exposed this year. Either way, FIGHT ON STATE.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

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