It's Going To Be A Slow Race: Penn State In The Polls
by Kevin HD on Nov 22, 2009 2:15 PM EST
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Penn State jumps Oklahoma State for the 11th spot in the Coaches' Poll this morning, and well: that's what you get when you sneak by three-win Colorado and you're resume isn't any better than Penn State's anyway. Despite a lackluster win over Minnesota, Iowa jumped two spots and now sit 13th.
The irrelevant poll has Penn State at #12.
There's also some great stuff in the fanposts this morning. Jesse nails the 2009 season in one line of text, and PSUdevon has a thorough wrap up the BCS situation as it sits now.
There is a suggestion that rooting for Oklahoma State to land in the Fiesta Bowl just might benefit Penn State. I haven't actually seen any direct evidence to this, but the rumblings are that Iowa has the best chance of being picked as the second Big Ten team by the Fiesta Bowl. If Oklahoma State is available, they may get a loyalty selection, leaving the Big Ten decision in the hands of the Orange Bowl.
Speaking of the Orange Bowl, there's this, from one of the orange blazers in East Lansing this weekend:
And what are the odds Penn State ends up in the Orange Bowl?
"Terrific chance," Kosnitzky said. "We like Penn State a lot. We like everything about the university."
Put stock in that at your own risk.
The one thing you can do for sure: Hope Iowa's schedule weakens with losses from Arizona (@Arizona State and @USC remaining), and hope our schedule strengthens with an Illinois win over Cincinnati (Iowa didn't play the Zookers this year).
And the Pitt angle is an interesting one. The argument against goes something like "no one outside of Pennsylvania cares about that game," but even if that's true, I don't think you could argue that it would be less interesting than a Pitt-Iowa game, especially considering it just happened last year. Pitt winning the Big East just might help Penn State get a bid. At the very least it can't hurt, although then you have to root for Pitt.
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And right after typing this
Icerguy brings this up in another thread that I’ll repost:
There is some history saying that regional match-ups don’t sell well in terms of TV ratings. The 2000 World Series was the Subway Series – Mets v. Yankees – and it was the lowest watched world series to that point. As a point of comparison, the next year saw a jump in the ratings, and that was Yankees v Diamondbacks. Further still, the 2002 WS became the lowest watched WS, a match-up seeing San Fran vs. Anaheim. The next year saw a jump, in an ever-intriguing match-up of Chicago AL vs. Houston. (Ratings eclipsed in 2004, as Boston finally made it to the WS. The ratings have been tanking ever since.)
That’s not to say that a Penn State/Pitt game wouldn’t garner some excitement. But I think the fans not connected to the two teams would need more to get interested in the game. I’ll put it to you this way – how much do you care about the G-Tech/UGA game next week? Or, moreso, how much does the general public care? It’s ultimately the same game (top team in a lesser BCS conference playing a "mediocre" team from a top BCS conference), but without the title of being a BCS Bowl game. (And the Orange and Sugar Bowls last year started to show that having that "title" of BCS Bowl game might not even matter as much any more.)
BSD
I don't think that any of our "potential" BCS opponents would create a huge ratings "buzz"
Considering our potential other opponents in a BCS game would be teams like Ga Tech, Clemson, TCU, Cincinnati, etc., I think playing Pitt still is a pretty good option.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 22, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'll agree
There likely won’t be a huge “buzz” around anyone we face. But it also means that Pitt is no more likely to be a “better draw” than any other team. In fact, recent TV ratings say that Pitt would be worse than “random other team not from the same state”.
Again, I have no personal bias towards/against Pitt. I’d prefer a different team, just because I’m interested to see how we would match up (G-Tech and TCU actually top my list). But if it’s Pitt, then that’s fine because it means we would be in a BCS bowl. Also, if it does end up being Pitt, I’m already sick of the “rivalry” talk…
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
I think Ga Tech would be an interesting game...
They seem to have an exciting up-tempo team, which would be worrisome for me considering we don’t face a lot of great offenses in the B10. But ultimately they are all exhibitions, so I would like to play the best team we can to see how we match up.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 22, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
For the record -
I do have a personal bias towards/against Pitt. I hate them and their fans. Always have, always will (in fairness it’s helpful for me that I also hate the Steelers, Penguins, and would hate the Bucco’s of they weren’t so lovably awful). I also hope that we do not play them in a BCS or any other bowl and really hope that they instead once again land in the Arizona Sun Bowl brought to you by Cialis and lose a squeaker 5-3 against a Pac-10 also ran.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 22, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Rittenberg from Big Ten ESPN blog
I generally like reading his blog, and I’m not just saying this because he is saying something that I disagree with, but he has been really hammering the “Iowa deserves a BCS bid” over Penn State line just about any chance he has. I understand there are some valid points to what he is saying but I think PSU has a very good chance of being selected as well.
I understand that not everyone on here (or PSU fans in general) do not feel as strongly as I do about playing Pitt again, but that would be my #1 choice by far…and I think that a “package deal” with them for the Fiesta Bowl may help us. A lot of it has to do with where you live or where you are from and how often you have to deal with Pitt fans that act like they have a legitimate football team. I’ll take any BCS game, but to me, playing Pitt is more important to me than playing in any other BCS game.
obviously other...
than playing in the MNC game.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 22, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I find myself reading Rittenberg's blog less and less...
He’s a HUGE Ohio State homer, and almost everything he has to say about Penn State has a negative overtone – whether it’s “Iowa deserves a BCS bid” this morning, or his incessant rehashing of “Penn State has a weak schedule and no one else does”, I’m less and less inclined to read what he has to say.
by NoLimitLion1 on Nov 22, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
weird that he's a OSU homer
seeing as he’s based out of Chicago and went to Northwestern.
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
by PSUdevon on Nov 22, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think that's true.
Like it or not, aOSU has been conference champion 5 years in a row. He has to cover the best team, and right now aOSU is dominating. I’m actually ok with him saying Iowa deserves it over as because, well, they probably do. He covers the conference, and it’s probably better for the conference from a perception standpoint that the best and most deserving teams represent and give us the best chance to have a good bowl record.
But he also does acknowledges that we are a huge draw and could get the selection because of it. Of course I want the bid, I’m a penn state fan not a b10 fan. But he covers the conference, not just us.
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Prior to Wisky losing he was saying they deserved it over us.
Note: In the following, the words, “us”, and “we” refer to the PSU fans that live on ESPN boards.
Not everything Rittenberg does is anti-psu, aka, saying Iowa is more deserving doesn’t imply a PSU bias, but it’s there. He has called out the PSU fan base in the past for being whiny and always accusing him of a bias, in not so many words, which, while true, hints at some negative feelings. Now, I don’t know if it was there to begin with, and we whined about it, and it grew bigger, or if our paranoia caused us to whine, leading him to being annoyed with us, and creating the bias. But there is no way it’s not there. Like NoLimitLion1 said, most of things he says about PSU have negative overtones. It’s like he can’t say something good without adding a negative disclaimer. Except with Clark, he does seem to like Clark, but I suspect it’s because he chose him as his pre-season POY and wants to back it up. Also, when he mentions the fact that we’re a huge draw and might make the BCS, he typically adds “unfortunately”, or “even though they don’t deserve it”, which, while also slightly true in my opinion, doesn’t need to be said every time. I try to not go there anymore but sometimes I’m bored.
There is no way, NO WAY, the bias isn’t there….. I could totally be wrong though :)
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
Penn State owns more convincing victories against Michigan State, Michigan and Northwestern (Iowa lost to NU on Nov. 7). The Lions also have a national fan following, positive history with both the Fiesta and Orange Bowls and the Joe Paterno factor.
I have never noticed that. But then, I could be totally wrong.
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I left it out because it went against my point and I'm crafty like that
but he has been pretty nice since the win over MSU.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest, I don't know
sometimes, he does things, that I think,“umm, there’s no way you just did that if you don’t dislike PSU”, other times, I doubt my suspicions. Whatever though, it doesn’t really matter that much. I can’t hold it against him if he doesn’t like us, since everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I just think he doesn’t.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's fair.
I just never got that sense. I admit I read him less now than last year. But that’s more about the increase in fluff pieces I think.
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Look deeper into his blog postings...
Sure, OSU won the conference in 2006, 2007, and this year, and I’m not criticizing his commenting on this. But look deeper into his postings. Rarely is there ever a negative twist to his reporting of OSU, yet the opposite is true for his reporting on us. Kind of like how CNN is known for its obviously leftist reporting of what they call “news.” I hate seeing biased coverage disguised as real journalism, and when I do see it, I’m calling it out. Think about it next time you read his postings…you’ll see it.
by NoLimitLion1 on Nov 22, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, not the first time I've heard the complaint.
And so I have looked out for it, and I just don’t agree. I think if you are looking for reasons to have insecurities about how someone feels about a program, you will find them every time. I’m sure I could look for them for aOSU and give you plenty of examples. Granted, I’m not so . . .
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
You may be confusing CNN with MSNBC...
back to sports: I think Rittenberg is alright. The reality is that we only played 2 ranked teams all year and lost. The losses were fairly embarrassing. We played 8 home games, etc. There are certainly reasons to believe in Penn State as a BCS-worthy team but I can’t blame an outside observer for not seeing it. If we played Arizona early in the year like Iowa did my suspicion is that we would have lost. Or maybe Cal. I read Rittenberg often enough and I think he’s pretty balanced.
On the other hand…10 articles yesterday about OSU/UM alone. That’s really pushing it.
Yup
He hardly said a word about any of the other games… even though there was an incredibly exciting Northwestern/Wisconsin game on. It was rather annoying.
ESPN's Bloggers only attend one game per weekend
Sometimes two if another team is playing nearby on thursday or friday.
They give the game they’re at first priority and attention and fill in the rest later. He’s only human.
The Philly Inq PSU beat writer is the same way...
…“apparently” unbiased on the surface yet every article every week has a laser-like underneath focus pointing to O$U and Iowa….He stated UNequivically after O$U that PSU was OUT of the BCS running, turned out to be his own wishful thinking and gloating at the Nits faithfull…subsequent pieces have mentioned that PSU IS in fact still in the running but really has absolutely no shot over Iowa….
by JoePaMustStay on Nov 23, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
For me
because Iowa beat us, on our own field no less,really ends the argument of whether or not Iowa deserves a BCS bid over PSU. I can’t in good conscience bitch about the split Big 10 championship with tOSU last year as absurd and somehow argue in good faith that we “deserve” it over Iowa based on merit. Now, if we are arguing about the selection process and why I think PSU is a better pick than Iowa based on revenues, appeal, etc. that is fine, but on merits, i.e., on the playing field, I just think that argument was lost on a very rainy day in State College.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 22, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
You can still want it. And Iowa had no issues taking the Outback bowl from NW last year in the same exact situation.
BSD
I can't determine whether I personally "want it" until I know who we're playing
I’d rather play LSU than, say, TCU.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Tim Curley, Russ Rose, and Cael's Gigantic Salary all disagree with me, but hey, I'm just a fan
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Do we have a shot at LSU anymore?
Wouldn’t it be Ole Miss?
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think the bowl would take them over Ole Miss
LSU’s fanbase is better.
Also, I think Ole Miss is gonna lose this week. Houston Nutt has been competent for too many weeks and Miss. State is due to upset somebody.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I completely agree
I certainly didn’t mean I don’t want to play in it. I was just saying that if Iowa gets picked I am not going to be really upset or feel like we got jobbed. I absolutely would rather play in a BCS game.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 22, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, considering Oklahoma made it to the MNC game over Texas last year...
I think the whole concept of who “deserves” it goes out the window a little bit just based on head-to-head. I think if you look at the whole season, not just that one game two months ago, Iowa has struggled to beat mediocre (or worse) teams and every one of our wins is by double-digits this year. I think head-to-head is important, but the way the system is, who knows what will happen?
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 22, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Why do people keep on bringing up Texas/Oklahoma last year as a way to counter Iowa/PSU? It’s a completely different situation because it wasn’t between Oklahoma and Texas — it was a three way tie between Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech and all three teams were 1-1 among the group. There had to be some arbitrary tie-breaker in that situation and it happened that Oklahoma got it — but it would have been just as arbitrary if Texas or Texas Tech had won the Big 12 or gone to the BCS championship game instead of Oklahoma.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 22, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FYI, in case you care
the arbitrary tie breaker was BCS ranking.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
correct, was.
I think they’ve changed it since then to use the BCS only to eliminate the lowest ranked team, then use the 2-team tiebreaker for the teams that are left. For whatever it’s worth…
Why is that better?
Every other tiebreaker works by picking the top team by whatever criteria. Why should this one be any different?
(Also, the Big XII has not changed it, as far as I’m aware.)
I like head to head,
on the basis that it’s more of something a team can control. BCS is partially controllable by winning out, but you can’t control it directly. It’s certainly not perfect, but I just like it better. IMO, that system would have resulted in the right team getting chosen in the Big 12 last year, but I have UT bias.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
But you’re only getting to that point after head-to-head is inconclusive. It’s a three-way tie, not a two-way, and throwing out the worst team (usually because they got destroyed in their one loss) is unfair to the team that whomped them. Ignoring Tech because of how badly OU beat them last year, for instance, simply says “you beat them so badly that we’re not even going to count it anymore”.
I would have taken Texas last year too, but not because of head-to-head.
I know, it's an unfair situation all around
I just like it a little better for no reason whatsoever.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
It’s a bowl game. If the Orange Bowl decides it wants Penn State instead of Iowa, thems the breaks. It’s hardly a crime, and it’s nothing to be embarassed about. Over the top lobbying or trying to cut Iowa down to get it would be shitty, but other than that, the bowl game will take who they want.
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
I was wondering if some of the trick plays etc were BCS auditions.
Joe plays those games more than he lets on, like when he told Jay they needed to get someone going on twitter for recruiting. Given how excited he looked after the game, I thought he knew what he was doing and was glad it worked.
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
I don’t recall Michigan State feeling too bad about whomping the hell out of us in 2004. Or them being particularly gracious in victory in 2007. So, whatever.
But yeah, Joe Paterno will stick it to you if he thinks you’ve got it coming and he’s got the chance. He’s just kind of low key and clever about it, most of the time people don’t notice he’s doing it.
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
Oh, God
How many yards did Jeff Smoker throw for?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Joe works the media well
He portrays himself as a simple guy, but he really is a lot smarter and more aware than he lets on. I love watching him talk. He is genius.
Read my signature
After he said that, he added “But I think we showed we’re probably a pretty good football team.”
And he was probably sticking it to Sparty a little.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Again..
I agree that bowl games have nothing to do with on the field results. My point was more that I won’t feel like PSU got screwed if we don’t get picked or if it was unfair to anyone if we do. Bowl games are what they are, exhibition games for money.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 22, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to play Pitt
The bowl would make a ton of cash from the fans, it would energize the bases, and make for compelling TV.
Outside the NC, no one really cares that much about the bowl games, Pitt / PSU would peak some interest amoung older viewers.
Plus…I F’n hate Pitt…hate month will be AWESOME
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
+1 for the hate MONTH
how awesome would that be? :D
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Nov 22, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine that photo shop thread.
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
There isn't anything in sports that I hate more...
than Pitt football. I would be all for a Pitt hate month.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 22, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Illinois beating Cincinnati?
uhhh…. yeah… somehow I think that may be a real stretch
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
I actually have a good feelining about Illinois for this one
Illinois have better players they just do. Its all about the coaching. Maybe the Zooker will pull something out of his a$$
by whiteoutonly on Nov 22, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa there; take off the Big Ten colored glasses
Illinois does not have better players. At all.
And clearly inferior coaching.
It's all about coaching?
Is that supposed to be an argument FOR Ill?
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
no
i was just saying thats why Illinois sucks. If Cinci and Ill switch staffs Ill wins guaranteed
by whiteoutonly on Nov 22, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
I’ll take Tony Pike or Nick Colloros over Illinois’s QBs any day.
And I don’t know good Cincy’s D is, but it can’t be as awful as Illinois’s.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
maybe Illinois could be as good as Cinci on Offense with better coaching, I still doubt that, but their D is abysmal, and coaching won’t be able to fix that pile of crap.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
And the Pitt angle is an interesting one. The argument against goes something like “no one outside of Pennsylvania cares about that game,” but even if that’s true, I don’t think you could argue that it would be less interesting than a Pitt-Iowa game, especially considering it just happened last year. Pitt winning the Big East just might help Penn State get a bid.
I still don’t see it. I guess maybe a bowl would prefer Pitt/PSU over Pitt/Iowa (though I actually still think that’s wrong) but that’s a strawman. The Fiesta wouldn’t pick Pitt at all and wouldn’t need to. They’d gladly pair Iowa/PSU with TCU over either Big Ten team with Pitt. Or IMHO more likely, they’ll pick Oklahoma St if available — I think the Fiesta would love at this point to have a Iowa/PSU versus Okahoma St contest and would much prefer that to a PSU/Pitt matchup.
The Big East champ is going to the Sugar to play Alabama/Florida. Nothing that happens with the Fiesta is going to change that.
No
It’s this simple.
If Oklahoma St. is alive, Fiesta uses it’s first pick on Iowa, sends TCU to Orange, and picks Okie second. That’s their ideal matchup.
If Okie State is gone, however, it’s Iowa/PSU vs. TCU or Big East champ, and I definitely think if Pitt is in the picture rather than Cincinatti, it’s a huge selling point for Penn State to play in the Fiesta Bowl over Iowa. You can’t possibly be serious when you say Pitt/Iowa and Pitt/Penn State would be equal. If Penn State and Iowa are equal, which team gets the most out of Pitt? I think it’s pretty damn clear it’s us.
It’s nice and all that Orange likes us, but I don’t see a scenario that gets us there, save for Fiesta picking Oklahoma St. first, which would be dumb, because they’ll be around for their second pick anyway, and the second Big 10 team (Iowa likely) is more attractive than TCU.
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by fugimaster24 on Nov 22, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Am I crazy for thinking Iowa will go ahead of Okie State for the Fiesta?
Yes, there’s the Big 12 thing, but Iowa brings more to the table, tv wise and fanbase wise (still no sellouts in Stillwater). And they’ve actually beaten someone. For any talk about Northern Iowa, there’s Colorado and Houston. I would think this would mean something to the bowl.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
And if "Stanzi hurt" matters, then does "Robinson hurt" matter?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
If we’re assuming Iowa vs. Oklahoma St. is their ideal matchup, the only way to make that happen is to pick Iowa first.
That’s why we’re screwed.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Nov 22, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
That gets regional interest
But it would be a national ratings dud. Matchups that could fill the seats and still be a decent draw for random viewers are more attractive than those that fill the seats but aren’t interesting to anyone outside of a small region.
BCS: Iowa #11, OkSt #12, PSU #13, VT #14.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 22, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions
Reasonable
OMG BIG 12 bias aside.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
ATTENTION FANS:
The word “DESERVE” has NOTHING to do with BCS bids that aren’t for the title game. Once you pick #1 & #2, all that matters is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Whether fans or the media feel we “deserve” to go is fun conversation, but doesn’t mean a damn thing to the bowls. They’re for-profit entities, and with the economy their corporate partnerships are a question mark this year. MONEY MATTERS, not “deserve”.
If bowls think we’ll bring more scrilla than some corn farmers, then we go BCS. If they think Iowa can bring more fans, then they’re in.
Keep in mind Iowa lost 2 of their last 3 and struggled to beat Minn, and their QB is out (for now). The excitement they built up while they were undefeated is certainly eroded.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 22, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions
So you're saying
there should be a Fiesta bowl playoff to find the most deserving team? I like it.
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Don't go down this road
Even if it benefits us. We don’t deserve it. We didn’t beat a Top 25 team this year and Iowa did.
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 22, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
So what?
It’s a bowl game. Who gives a damn?
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
uh,apparently a LOT of people
how many fanposts have we had on the BCS subject? how many people replied?
I’d rather see us play an SEC team than playing Pitt/TCU/Boise in a BCS bowl.
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 22, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
You would (and I would, outside of Pitt)
But the university likes $$$
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
all this talk about getting into the BCS is not about getting the University more money
it’s about pride.
f@&k pride.
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 22, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
No
It’s about money.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
don't see the talkyakkers here pining for a BCS because they want PSU to get more money
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 22, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
We're talking about different things, I guess
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
PSU doesn’t get any more money playing in a BCS bowl versus playing in the Cap One — bowl money in the Big Ten is essentially split evenly (the teams playing in bowls get some money for expenses, but it’s not really much of a profit if anything). Basically, PSU makes more money by having some Big Ten team go to the BCS, regardless if it’s us or not.
OTOH, PSU benefits themselves by going to the BCS because of increased exposure and prestige.
I thought the conference splits the BCS take
If that’s the case, it doesn’t matter which second team goes as long as one does.
they do
but I think the school gets a portion to themselves, and the rest is split…if not, thats how it should be
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Depends on travel expenses, etc.
Some schools get a little more because of that. But for the most part, it’s all split evenly.
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I guess my point is
1 We [Penn State] have no say whatsoever in the bowl game situation. If the Orange Bowl wants us, we are contractually obligated to go. That’s the deal. So the self-righetous chest thumping about “we don’t deserve it” rings hollow to me.
2 You know who else doesn’t belong in the BCS? Iowa. They’re every bit the same 10-2 we are, and they are more than a little blessed to have that record. If you really want to argue “deserve” start talking about Boise State.
3 What were talking about here is what football games people are willing to pay money to travel and watch, and have been well recieved by TV audiences. So when get down to what the real discussion is; 1 Penn State is every bit as deserving of the bid as anybosy else, and 2 given the selection criteria, who cares?
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
we'll see people's reactions when we don't get the BCS nod
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 22, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think there will be many broken hearts
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah probably not
especially considering it’s not like we’re confident we’re getting a BCS bowl, even if they care, nearly everyone is probably prepared for not getting one.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's right, we don't deserve the $17million payout.
Wait. Seventeen million? Seventeen?
Maybe I can swing it for seventeen mill split amongst the conference.
Who cares?
If anything, Iowa deserves more because their basketball team is horrible and their football team is carrying the entire AD.
But it doesn’t matter.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
well then PSU deserves it more because
in 2000, 2003, and 2004 Penn State had a horrible football and basketball team and the entire athletic dept was carried by womens soccer?
by whiteoutonly on Nov 22, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
No, Penn State deserves it more
because Iowa owes us for stealing Cael Sanderson from Iowa State and crippling their biggest wrestling rival.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 22, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
You may have missed the portion of the post
that states DESERVE has nothing to do with the selection process.
I don’t think we should be in. However, my opinion (like everyone else on this board and the opinions of the media)doesn’t matter. What matters is straight cash, homey.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 22, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would
Rather play in the Citrus Bowl than root for Pitt
Among some people it's still alive
But I live in central PA and I don’t care about Pitt.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
That isn't meant to be rude, btw. I feel the same way about Pitt as I do about, say, Maryland
You’re probably the first Pitt fan I’ve ever seen on this site who wasn’t a total assclown.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think Okie needs to lose...
It’s nice to know the Orange Bowl likes us, but I don’t think it matters. I don’t think we’re going to be around for them to pick either way. If Okie is there, they’ll pick Iowa first, then Okie second.
If they’re gone, then it’s a whole new ball game, and we’re alive again. But Pitt would be a major plus in the PSU vs. Iowa argument.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
I agree,
but if I’m I defense contractor, I hope I’m not pulling for Bin Laden to come out of retirement. And if I am, then shoot me because I truly deserve it.
I don't see why Fiesta would take Iowa first
Everyone keeps on talking about how the Fiesta would snag Iowa first over Oklahoma State… I can’t see it happening. The Fiesta has an unspoken “loyalty” to the Big 12, so I think it would snag Oklahoma State first. Then the Orange gets to pick between PSU and Iowa. Seeing as we have the best chance of being picked by the Orange, I think we need to root for Oklahoma State in the Bedlam game.
Really?
Everyone keeps on talking about how the Fiesta would snag Iowa first over Oklahoma State
I didn’t and don’t think “everyone” thought that.
Frankly, I don’t think loyalty matters here. Money does. Especially when there’s more and more talk of changes to the BCS
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Iowa fandom is claiming to have some huge alumni base in AZ.
I’m definitely not saying that’s incorrect, I just don’t know. But the, “all Iowans retire to Arizona” argument seems to be what they are hanging their hat on.
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't that work against them?
Penn State fans would be coming from across the country, staying in hotels, etc. while all the Iowa alums in AZ might just drive in and back for the game.
I guess that depends on how involved the host city gets with the process.
I would think tickets would be the primary concern. Plus, hotels may only be a small piece of the consideration. Getting people to come to a pep rally, event hosted by the team, restaurants etc. is probably easier with more locals. But Arizona is a big retirement area in general, I doubt we lack any presence there. So, yeah, go ahead, give the edge to Iowa for local alumni. How severe/significant that is I don’t know.
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly right.
Retirees in Arizona don’t sell hotel rooms.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Oklahoma St in the mix makes it more likely the Fiesta takes them as a replacement pick for Texas and pushes the Big Ten team to the Orange where I think we stand a better chance of being chosen over Iowa. PSU fans if we want to go to the BCS, should root for Oklahoma St.
That said, even with Oklahoma St out of the picture, I’m not really convinced that the Fiesta would take Iowa over PSU. Certainly possible, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they went for either team.
They'll get Okie State with the second pick anyway
Unless you really think the Orange would take them if available (possible, but I doubt it – and even then TCU isn’t a bad consolation prize for the Fiesta). OTOH, if they take Okie State first, the Orange might take a Big Ten team and make it impossible for the Fiesta to do so. So if they really want an Iowa-Okie State matchup, taking Iowa first makes sense.
Keep in mind
they do work together in some respects. If a bowl knows it can kill with a particular matchup, another bowl might cut them a favor and hope to get on in return down the road…so it’s not exactly a pure cut-throat process.
BSD
In theory.
In practice, the Fiesta has taken teams to get a marginally better Fiesta bowl to set up a much worse (from a $$$ standpoint, if not from a quality of game standpoint) Orange or Sugar more than once, and the Orange and Sugar are no better. The Rose at least has some principles, but since those priniples are playing a Big Ten / Pac 10 game if at all possible and ignore anything else, I’m not sure that’s worth much.
The system is about money,
the bowls have ALWAYS been about money, and with the economy being the way it is…people are less willing to dish out the cash to take a New Year’s vacation this year than in probably any year since the advent of the BCS. The bowls will follow the money, and if you don’t like it, feel free to write them a nasty letter.
I assume we're safe in the top 14 right?
Va Tech is close, but they won’t gain anything with a win over UVA. Maybe Oregon State could jump up with a win over Oregon, but I’d think Oregon would then drop below us.
Man... would that suck
But no, without the Big 10 officials around to hate us, I doubt we’ll drop out of the top 14. We might even move up if the teams ahead of us drop. Also, if Wisconsin somehow loses next week again, Iowa could drop in the computer rankings, but that wouldn’t affect us.
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