So Ends The Forgettable Season
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 10:57 AM EST
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Twelve weeks. That's all you get. Like the changing of the leaves in the brisk breeze of autumn, the season comes and goes before you know it. You have to enjoy it while it's here, because it's a long wait until next fall. That's what makes this season so disappointing.
Don't get me wrong. 10-2 is a good year. I'd much rather be in our situation than Michigan, Notre Dame, or Florida State right now. Ask those teams how they feel about their future this morning. With back-to-back ten win seasons and a stellar recruiting class about to sign the dotted line in February, I'm feeling great about the direction of the program. Let me be clear about that. But as for the 2009 season, I'm completely, and utterly, disappointed.
Penn State had two games against decent opponents. Both games were at home. But they just didn't show up against Iowa or Ohio State. So now they sit hoping a BCS bowl selection committee is impressed with wins over 9-2 Temple or 8-4 Northwestern.
For the life of me, I can't ever remember a Penn State season with less drama. Can someone tell me what the memorable moment of 2009 will be ten years from now? There was no dramatic goal line stand to save a win. No LaVar Arrington leaping over the offensive line. There was no MRob destroying a safety. No Poz running down a Heisman Trophy winner from behind. No Tamba Hali flipping over the same quarterback to save the win. No Mark Rubin forcing a key fumble. There was just no defining moment of this entire season, and that is what makes it a disappointment.
The last chance this Penn State team has to make this a memorable season will have to come in the bowl game. But even that is up in the air. If they go to a BCS game, they will most likely get paired against a mid-major team or the ACC champion, which is looking like Georgia Tech. If they go to the Capital One Bowl, it's looking like they'll play Mississippi. I doubt that ten years from now anyone would look back fondly on those epic games against the Horned Frogs, the Yellow Jackets, or the Rebels.
So whatever bowl game they get picked for I hope Penn State gets a win. But as far as 2009 goes, this is an utterly forgettable season for me as a blogger, and I'm glad it's over. Next year I'm not sure how good they're going to be with a new quarterback and heavy losses to replace on defense. Oh, then there's that trip to Alabama who hasn't lost a regular season game since 2007. So it may very well be more of the same. 2011 can't get here soon enough for me.
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No loss closer than 11 points.
And no win closer than 11 points.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Buck up young man!
Maybe next year our guys will show up and act like they’re playing for something once in a while.
I’m looking at things this way: we went 4-0 on the road this season, and I’ve got MONTHS now to convince myself this should give me hope going into next season when we have Bama, tOSU and Iowa on the road.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Next year could be fun in that "we're a scrappy underdog" sense.
And I think people will have their expectations suitably adjusted downward for 2010. But this year will be remembered for two enormously blown opportunities at home, and plenty of easy wins with a tragically flawed schedule.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as schdules like this are the exception
I’m fine with it. A crappy schedule every 5th year or so, make money from the extra home game to feed the other sports, keep the women’s volleyball and soccer teams thriving, etc.
As for the performance this year, I almost feel like I’m happy and disappointed at the same time?? It sucks that we lost any chance at proving ourselves this season, but, I’m happy that we’re in a position to be disappointed with 10-2. Weird.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for keeping women's volleyball thriving!
What were we talking about again?
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone tell me what the memorable moment of 2009 will be ten years from now?
We won in Michigan for the first time since 1996 -when most people were predicting a UM win -, causing waves of anguish among Wolverines. We made Mark Dantonio punch someone off-camera, I’m sure. And we’re going to beat an SEC team that will probably be favored (I’m thinking LSU, because I think Houston Nutt is going to lead the Rebels to a crushing loss on Saturday).
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t call this a great year. But this is not 2007 either. 10-2 and maybe 11-2 with a struggling offensive line is good.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And we’re going to beat an SEC team that will probably be favored (I’m thinking LSU, because I think Houston Nutt is going to lead the Rebels to a crushing loss on Saturday).
Ole Miss and LSU are basically the same team in Vegas’ eyes. There aren’t many teams out there that will be favored against Penn State on a neutral field, and I don’t believe LSU/Miss are one of them.
Boise/Pitt/Cincy/Okie St would all be dogs to PSU. Georgia Tech would probably be very close, possibly PK. TCU would likely be favored against the Lions, however.
by Kunk on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's hardly true
The only one of these teams that would be a “dog to PSU” is probably Boise, since they haven’t played a big physical team in months and maybe Ok State they really aren’t that good.
by SlingStone on Nov 23, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a pro-2010 voice on here, at least for the offseason.
The vast majority of us are predicting a less than stellar year, and while all the evidence points to that probably being the case, I think we need a commenter or two to keep the negativity in check. I know someone has it in them, and if no one steps up by January 2, I’ll take the position. It won’t be easy fighting against everyone for 8 months, but if it means hyping the team up and talking about the potential pluses for next year, I’ll gladly take the position. Who’s coming with me?
by PSUJunny05 on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is where John Blutarsky runs out of the room alone and screaming.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I have to go alone I will. Dammit I will.
by PSUJunny05 on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?!
I was actually thinking animal house as well when I read it the first time but the speech that was given at the disciplinary board meeting: “I am not going to stand here, and listen to you bad mouth the United States of America!”
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no
No, I’ve gotta get ready for Iowa’s season. We’re loaded next year! I hope Spievey doesn’t go pro!
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's time we start Hate Year
I really hate Alabama.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like them
Used to live down there, so I can’t hate them, but I’ve always been a Penn State fan first.
by kmart93 on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed A monthly hate fest of Alabama would be nice and easy. There is so much to hate
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of"
by psu in the w-b on Nov 23, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Voice of optimism sez:
7 – 5 next year
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually excited for next year
Because the expectations aren’t that high. I think it will be fun to just watch and see the young players develop.
by speedomike on Nov 23, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one can't wait to shell out
thousands of dollars for season tickets for 2010. We should be undefeated at home.
I also can’t wait to travel to Bloomington next year.
Boom.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 23, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
In fact, I’m looking forward to taking Metro to Bloomington ;)
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
by WFY on Nov 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Michigan fans are unamused
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, our OL can't get any worse next year, can it?
So there’s something!
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
The offensive line should be better, but be ready for teams to put 9 guys in the box until Newsome shows he can throw it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's going to be the issue
I think this whole next year we’re going to be asking questions like “Who’s going to step up?”, “Who’s going to lead this team (both on offense and defense)?”.
It’ll be interesting to follow guys like Newsome, the Drake and Justin Brown and next year’s crop of recruits to see who’s going to make an impact. Also, who do we turn to to lead this team? We lose our leaders on offense and defense this year, and might lose our best underclassmen in Royster and Bowman.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PSU captains 99% of the time
are seniors so we always lose our leaders from year to year.
What hurts is like you say – when you also lose your top juniors to early draft.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
I would say Hunt was more of a leader than #14, and I’m not sure if he was a captain. But I get your point.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This weekend's Football Story
showed Stephfon Green giving the pregame “Let’s kick their asses” psych talk before the last game, on the field. He’s not going to be the leader next year, I’m sure. But eventually.
by growler on Nov 23, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it makes you feel any better
Newsome won the heisman in his sophomore year in my NCAA 2010 dynasty. He had some Tebow-Esque numbers.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 23, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you pump him up to 99% in all his stats?
For the Glory of Old State
by PSULion29 on Nov 23, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Used Ga Tech’s Playbook with Royster, Green, and Dukes in the backfield. Ran the shit out of that option, and threw just enough, but very effectively.
Yeah, thats right Royster stayed for his senior year.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 23, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness though
Pryor still can’t throw and tOSU just won 10 games.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just going to say this.
It’ll all be about the defense next year, which is probably a big question at this point.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 23, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it really a big question though?
Our D-line should be pretty nasty next year. Crawford, Ogbu, Latimore, Still, Hill, and possibly (hopefully) Jerome Hayes all return. LBs will all be new (assuming the 1% chance Bowman doesn’t go doesn’t happen), but we’ll have Mauti, Stupar, Hodges, Bani, and Colasanti (this is likely to be the weaker part of the D, but still not bad IMO). Then we’ve got Lynn and Morris back at corners, who have been pleasant surprises this year, and Sukay and Astorino both back at safeties (unless Hodges moves back to S). With a year of experience, I think the D-line and secondary will be great, with LBs still coming up strong.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you as well
Ten and two next year…sure, perhaps; I don’t think that is out of the question.
O-line should be better than this year. I’m curious to think is it possible that moving Wiz back to guard is an option? Sure, it’s an option. Is it necessary though? We’ll have some guys now with a season under their belts – and plenty of film to disect here. I don’t believe these jr’s and sr’s need to work on the weight room as much as technique and working more as a unit. We have some beefy young guys that need a fire lit under them. Shrive, Stank & Farrell need to step forward in a big way. IF Ty Howle can supposedly show his mean streak and take a leap can he be inserted @ center. IF he can be at least be as good as Wiz was this year, then I like the idea of moving Wiz back to guard. A more than serviceable center, two agile (pulling) guards, two BIG tackles? This is quite possible. Sczerba/Weddeburn step up and not only show/use their size; but LIVE to block consistantly?! Sure!
If this equation breaks the huddle game one, I’m not so worried about a young QB. I really believe KNew will be fine. He has time to continue his growth and jell with the likes of Moye, Zug, Powell, Brown, Drake, Price, Suhey / the RB’s and TE’s. This is a TON of talent fellas!
D-line: missing JO will hurt a bit; but as a unit next year, sh – The DE’s by all means should be quicker and READ plays better. Working on the young guys for depth is where I speculate here – but we’ve recruited well, soooo…
LB’s: I won’t look back at what year we didn’t have a solid LB returning, but I hate to think that 2010’s D class biggest preseason question is the LB corps. Sure, we recruit very well here, but Mauti could start slow, Stupar needs to read the play development better and not over-run the play. Colasanti? Yanchic? Bani? Zordich? Four guys, four big question marks.
The secondary will execute better than last year and seems like their is talent in depth.
Special Teams: when you’re on the bottom, there’s noooo place but up. But actually, I’m expecting a year like 2008 here.
…so yea, I’m pro-2010…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is:
There are three teams on the schedule who, on paper, should be better than us. 9-3 would be good. 10-2 would be great.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you Rambler...
And I obviously agree with Junny. I think PSU has the recruits that fit the Spread HD system now, and players that have more practice time in this system. I believe the coaches confidence in this system of formations, plays and which players to plug-in which sets will also be improved next year.
Of any year I would like to see our play calling against O$U and Iowa be different is next year – because of expectations and predictability. I’d have a hard time believing we “hold plays back” against Alabama next year also. Our preseason preparation should be MUCH different next year.
FOCUS: QB and LB’s
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 23, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying not to be too negative also
And I also tend to agree with:
I really believe KNew will be fine
I mean, who came out of the Alamo Bowl thinking that Clark was going to be a passing threat? Not me. I know Newsome will be a sophmore instead of a junior, but hell he’s probably had as much game experience as DC did coming into his junior year.
Anyway, IF Newsome could show some decent progress as a passer before next fall’s first snap, 2010 could be a year that exceeds all of our expectations.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 23, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was alright
The best I can come up with for memories are Bowman’s touchdowns. And a really crappy OOC schedule.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
by psu on Nov 23, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yay
He really saved the day against Eastern Illinois and Indiana.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, go stew in your grotto, man
Jeez
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen this before
Blogger burnout, it’s deadly.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
by psu on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
That’s the best word I can come up to describe the season. Words like “disappointment” and “forgettable” seem harsh for a 10-2 season, but you’re right in that there aren’t many memories. Knowing what the dark years were, I’m going to look for positives. So here are my top moments/memories/whatever from the 2009 regular season.
-The win at Michigan was awesome. I don’t care how bad they were. Especially when we answered their opening drive with a score of our own. Then safety, the Quarless TD, and hearing our fans take over that stadium. Definitely memorable.
-The 4th and goal stop against Minnesota. Good times.
-Bowman’s fumble and INT returns were funny.
-The 3rd quarter from last Saturday. Domination.
-The scores on 3 consecutive plays against Northwestern.
And the most important one-the tailgates and great times getting together with friends and family for PSU football.
I feel like I could work for the Penn State football story.
by speedomike on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll second the Michigan win..
I went over to some friends houses and they were all big scUM fans and one was a grad….
He had Hail to the Victors cued up on his ipod boombox for everytime michigan scored…. i heard it once and it was when i was in the bathroom…. haha… Michigan = fail
For the Glory of Old State
by PSULion29 on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried 2009 and it sucked.
Bless your heart, speedomike, you’re trying.
“Forgettable” is the word, for sure. Even the accomplishments, like Clark’s single-season records, ring hollow due to the awful competition and duds in the big games. This was the most meaningless 10-win season in Penn State history.
Hell, even the weather didn’t cooperate most of the time.
(Also grumpy today.)
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another reason this season's forgettable:
Because we didn’t lose to Indiana or Northwestern or Michigan. We’d be still bitching if we had lost to Michigan.
I think you need some koolaid or something.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking about this lately
College football fandom, at least in this era, can be framed as a particularly unfortunate mathematical game which in theory is zero-sum (PSU beats Michigan; I am happy but Michigan fans are sad) but in reality has a increasing psychological cost over time (the losses hurt twice as bad as wins feel good, which has been documented in psych papers but I can’t find a citation at the moment). In essence by choosing to follow college football passionately, my expected happiness is negative and the longer I do this, the worse it gets.
I think my point is if you don’t value the wins over Indiana or Northwestern as as positive as a close loss to Iowa is negative, this game is going to just drain your soul over the long haul.
by gumbercules on Nov 23, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is true.
I’ve actually gotten to the point where I amost dread the actual games. I watched this wek without sound. I pretty much didn’t watch Indiana at all.
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a friend's dad hasn't watched his alma mater
for fifteen years. He reads the article in the paper the next day, but watching the games was too stressful.
If I’m not like that in 20 years, I’ll be surprised.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, that's almost me now
I can’t imagine what it’ll be like in 20 years (I’ll be 42…ahhhh! haha)
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 23, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RamblerBot able to take all perspectives.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the student section was bad
And Guido sucked, and and and other stuff.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blame it on the idiotic ticket system
by kmart93 on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
I think that I’m going to go ahead and blame it on the students.
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
If we're gonna have a flame war, I'm with you
You’re funny
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok..
But the biggest reason that there was an issue was because we couldn’t buy and sell tickets right before the game. So a lot of people just didn’t go instead of selling their tickets.
It’s really the most retarded system they could’ve come up with.
by kmart93 on Nov 23, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the stadium
wasn’t even remotely filled up for the OSU game until somewhere close to the end of the first quarter. During the Indiana game, people had enough room to recline back on the seat behind them. Student turn out for the games was terrible and to blame it on anyone but the students is laughable.
by bcwertz on Nov 23, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You a student there right now?
Because I am, and yes the fresh/sophomore section sucked most of the year, but it was a ridiculous hassle getting into the stadium this year, and selling tickets if you couldn’t make the game. I showed up 40 minutes early for the opener against Akron, and missed the first ten minutes of the game because that’s how long it took me to get to my seat. When all the students show up early for the game, the lines get backed up so far that it takes an hour to get everyone seated (that’s why there was an issue at the OSU game). The only excuse for Indiana is that it was a noon game, but even the general admission sections had large empty spots for most of the game.
Students probably weren’t as interested this year (and why would they be? The home schedule absolutely SUCKED), but the ticketing system and entry into the games didn’t help anything either.
by kmart93 on Nov 23, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the home schedule this year was AMAZING
if you compare it to what you get next year…
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Nov 23, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(and why should they be?) - ?????
Are you serious?
You get 4 stinkin’ years at best to be a part of something very special, and usually only 7 opportunities each year. The schedule is what it is – you can’t change that. What you can do is get your own and your friend’s butts into the stadium. On time. If the first time you realize you got there too late to reach your seat by kickoff, then go earlier.
Can’t miss a party to get awake on time for noon games? Then don’t buy tickets next year.
Yes, the ticket situation blows. Yes, noon games are a pain in the ass. But if it takes 7 games against top 10 teams all starting at 3:30 for the students to get it in gear, then……wtf.
Not knocking you specifically, Kmart, but the student section this year was lame, lame, lame.
The students were flat, the team was flat, and the schedule was flat.
2009? Most underwhelming 10-2 I’ve ever seen.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 23, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Students probably weren’t as interested this year (and why would they be? The home schedule absolutely SUCKED), but the ticketing system and entry into the games didn’t help anything either.
Weren’t interested? In a 10-2 team? Schedule sucked? Try watching a team that sucked. You guys have had it easy the last few years. The sense of entitlement is sickening. For all the “Greatest Student Section in the Land” talk, I don’t think the current students would’ve made it through the Dark Years.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This year is very forgettable
It lived up to most people’s expectations. Most thought we’d trip up once or twice down the road, and we did. For me, it didn’t do anything special to surpass or fall below expectations.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Expectations
I think that’s a key word. Most (reasonable) people predicted 10-2 with a loss to Ohio State and a total gak job against somebody we should beat. That’s exactly what happened. The season went according to plan which is good because it means ten wins, but there was no drama. In a sense, this would be a more memorable season if we had gone 8-4. When I’m 50 I’ll remember more from 2006 and 2007 than I will from 2009.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, we exceeded expectations
Unless we think we’re clearly better than Iowa.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You've seen Iowa right?
We should have beat that team.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God
I’ve been through this argument so many times.
Iowa is a weird team. Without Stanzi, they lose to Northwestern. Without Stanzi, they’re like two plays away from beating Ohio State.
With an awful turnover margin and iffy run defense at times, they make it to 9-0.
But the key to that team is an outstanding front seven, very good corners, and very good safeties (who throws over the middle against them?). I really don’t think our offensive line would perform any better. And I really don’t think our receivers are any better against bump and run.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just sayin
Take away their win over us, and they have no signature win. And the wins they do have are ugly wins against crappy teams. We should have beat them.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
None of that makes us better than Iowa.
Iowa always plays ugly. They played ugly against us. The matchups haven’t changed at all.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll point to the 2 INTs off our receivers' hands
as reasons why we should have beaten them. Those were random luck turnovers that beat us as much as anything else. I think PSU/Iowa is a toss-up in a rematch. So I’ll remain frustrated at that loss and refuse to believe they’re much better than us.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
If you’re gonna do that, you have to count as “random luck turnover” the INT off Colin Sandeman’s hands.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. Here's another: Shut up!
Alright you’re right, but I still see the two teams as near-equals and as such, we should have won at home.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another point: football often comes down to line play
Iowa is decidedly better in that aspect.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely true.
That’s the part of the game that seems to get the least media respect, mostly because it’s not as tangible as 50 TD passes, etc. When they win at the point of attack it’s considered “winning ugly” and when they lose it looks even worse. But overall I can’t argue with ya, they just beat us.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Stanzi
They also looked like crap at home vs Michigan, at Michigan State, and at home vs Indiana with him. They’re not “weird,” they’re just mediocre. Good defense sometimes bails out a terrible offense, sometimes doesn’t. In the PSU game, their punt block and safety (and 18 other turnovers) won the game for them.
by elefantstn on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about margin of victory
Iowa won 10 games with a bad turnover margin and tons of injuries. That’s good enough for me. And let’s not act like the punt block and safety were lucky. They were both instances of Iowa out coaching us. They were better.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't count Indiana
I’m pretty sure we looked crappy too.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I’m 50 I’ll remember more from 2006 and 2007 than I will from 2009.
You know what I remember from ’06 and ’07? Getting blown out at home by OSU and Michigan. Losing at the Big House again PUCKERPUCKERPUCKER. Bad losses at Illinois and near choke jobs at Indiana. Those wins over Buffalo, FIU, and Temple really have the memorable-ness as this year.
The negative stuff always rises to the top. 2008 was awesome, but the first thing I’ll always think of will be 1) Stanzi and B) USCOMG.
Bottom line with 2009 is they beat who they were supposed to. Is that boring? Maybe. But it was more interesting and enjoyable than Morelli, who made me want to curl up in the fetal position every week.
by Kunk on Nov 23, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa vs PSU
Both Iowa and Penn State ended up 10-2. I would be willing to wager that Iowa fans believe this was an exciting year for their team even though they had to come back numerous times to defeat inferior teams. Penn State rolled over inferior teams however, they where never in the games against the better teams. I had the sense that this team could not be down by a touchdown or 2 and come back to win a game in the 4th quarter.
Our offense that was so great against inferior teams then literally sucked against Iowa and tOSU. That was a total disappointment and why I don’t have much enthusiasm for the upcoming bowl game.
by ageing lion on Nov 23, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa fans are admittedly very happy with this season.
Although our QB getting hurt probably cost us a lock to a BCS bowl and maybe the Rose Bowl and even a long shot to the NC game, we’re pleased. We had many, many holes throughout and injuries. Started all freshmen in backfield by end of the season.
But what makes Iowa fans most excited is next year has always been the target year. We return (assuming we don’t lose tons to the NFL) 20 starters of 24. That doesn’t inlcude all the players that started due to injury this year, and if we include them then we return 28 starters from this year. We get two projected starters back who never played due to injury in preseason this year too and I am sure this freshman class will turn up a player or two.
We will be disappointed with anything less than an outright conference championship + Rose Bowl and serious run at the NC. Our schedule is perfect. The key game is @ Arizona, who loses a number of seniors but will be dangerous offensively.
one point, and it relates to a number of posts here, Iowa has gone 29 games without losing a game by a double-digit margin. The only team in FBS with a longer current streak is Texas, at 31 games. Florida is at 29, Boise State 25. After that, not many teams have gone through 2009 without a 10-point loss. So while our offense had to win us some games, our defense has shown that they will not let us out of games for going on three years.
I thought this Penn State team underperformed as many of you did. I thought you were loaded and I think you were more talent deep than Iowa. But, I felt your team lacked a certain leadership that I thought would come from Clark and Royster. We had that from Stanzi who made stupid plays but backed them up with sensational plays.
My two cents. And while I obviously hope we are rewarde with a BCS Bowl, I can see why you guys might get the ORANGE over us. Good luck!
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But, I felt your team lacked a certain leadership that I thought would come from Clark and Royster.
Much simpler: line play.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 24, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clark’s leadership and Royster’s vision didn’t matter when they had Cam Heyward or Broderick Binns in their faces.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
but Iowa fans would tell you our offensive line was not nearly up to snuff and Stanzi still made a ton of plays. In the Ioa game we got to him quite a bit, but you have to be thinking he could have made more plays there. I did not see the whole Ohio State game so I cannot comment there. But, I thought you would win that one for sure and I assume the Ohio State d0line killed you. But Clark is a running QB and playmaker so I always think those guys can make plays when they are playing well.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clark isn't a running QB
Everyone in the media assumed he was (along with making it seem that he weighed 345 pounds for some reason), but he’s really not. He is more mobile than the usual PSU QB, of course, but against a great defense, he won’t make plays like a Vince Young.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said mobile QB
I agree he is not a running QB. But compared to Stanzi, Cousins, Tolzien he’s Tebow meets Bo Jackson.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You want drama?
I think that’s a key word. Most (reasonable) people predicted 10-2 with a loss to Ohio State and a total gak job against somebody we should beat. That’s exactly what happened. The season went according to plan which is good because it means ten wins, but there was no drama
I can’t believe this thread (LOL). PSU fans really not happy with a 10-2 record? Not enough drama?
As an Iowa fan, I got all the drama I wanted and then some. I would have loved to be a Penn State fan and seen all those blowouts and big numbers your offense put up. Instead, I had to endure 2 last second FG blocks; watch my team piss away leads to the likes of Arkansas State and Michigan. Have several heart attacks as our QB threw interception after interception. Be brought back from the very deep pit of despair against Mich State with a last second touchdown. Wonder for 3 qtrs if Iowa had replaced their team with a Jr. High team against Indiana. Watch our perfect season go down with Stanzi against NW. Finally, scratch my head and be left with only questions as we had an opportunity to beat Ohio State for all the marbles and our coaching staff decides to run the last 59 secs out and having a timeout left, only to lose in OT. I think that most Iowa fans have had enough drama this year to last 10 or 20 seasons. I would much rather have the games decided by the 4th quarter. Be thankful for your 10-2 season that was “forgettable”.
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by SpoWAHawk on Nov 24, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Average margin of victory against D1 opponents 22
low margain – 14 against Illinois, and they put up a garbage time touchdown
high margain – 27 against Michigan State
If you remove the outliers, the deviation between high and low is 20-25.
Penn State struggled early and and won convincingly in the end describes every D1 game with the possible exceptions of Minnesota and Michigan.
Basicly we won ten games in pretty convincing yet somehow underwhealming fashion. And lost two games in pretty dissappointing, and pretty public, ways.
So yeah, that’s it? That’s what I thought when I woke up Sunday morning at least.
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can't forget Notre Dame...
they are in the “Don’t do this” group.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Penn State 2009 Season
A big bowl of…
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 23, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that is the finest scoop
of icecream I’ve had the pleasure of witnessing.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wierd
That’s how this season will be remembered.
This is the first year since the dark years in which we lost more then 1 home game. It’s also the first year we had 2 10+ win seasons since ‘93 and ’94. It’s the first year since 1994 that we were undefeated on the road, and it’s the first time since 1980 that this happened and we weren’t undefeated. It was the first year w/out a legitimate B10 NC contender since the dark years, and yet there’s 3 10-win teams in the conference.
This season reminds me a lot of 1980, not that I remember 1980, but it was a good but not great team that preceeded a NC run two years later.
Also we ended up in the Fiesta bowl in 1980 and beat Ohio State.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Who remembers anything from 1980?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Do!
I remember sitting in lunch in the 1st grade. They wheeled in a TV so we could watch Ronald Reagan get sworn in. Then I ate my bologna sandwich.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fail
Ronald Reagan was sworn in in 1981
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
In that case, I don’t remember anything from 1980.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
USA! USA! USA!?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, really?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it might
still be the only hockey games I really watched.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
by nitwit86 on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Penn State tickets only cost $12
I had a nice 30 year run in those seats :/
by Bhawoh Jue Says Whatup on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woe
I was 11 and had only been following PSU since the year before!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 23, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't every player have a Hullstache back then?
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was mandatory.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not since the Civil War era
Did facial hair make such a bold statement.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
enduring image
of this year will be drew astorino fair catching a punt.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So long as it I can get the image
of him letting six others hit the ground and roll 15 more yards I can live with that. Fair catching punts actually constituted a special teams improvement for this squad.
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, add that to the OL comment
OL and Special Teams can’t get any worse next year, can they?
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zug and Astorino will still be on the team.
Therefore, they’ll still be returning punts due to their experience.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And in that vein...
While watching the Eagles last night, I thought of something. Andy Reid used to do the same thing with his punt returner — remember Reno Mahe? Almost always caught the ball, usually got three yards per return. When Desean Jackson got back there, suddenly the Eagles are a threat to score on every single punt. Does DJ screw up sometimes? Sure, but the reward far outweighs the risk.
And then I got mad again.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As an Eagles fan
I used to dred punt returns, now they’re the most exciting part of every Eagles game.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GAH RENO MAHE
Stop making my brain burn.. Oh, there’s some DJax to soothe it? Ahhhhhhhh.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
by kmblue on Nov 23, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is such a waste of a phase of football
nothing against those guys, but they aren’t punt returners. Punt catchers, yes, returners, no.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the days of Calvin Lowry.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Calvin Lowry would be like Mel Friggin' Gray on this team.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Could you guys be any more depressing? All of this nonsense over a 10-2 season? Let me break down depressing for you, Matt Interception Seneca taking us out of the game against miami from the first series, one of the first 0-4 starts during the Paterno era, the need for Zack Mills to come in to make a ridiculous run for a sweet but breif momentum swing leading to some W’s. Tony Butterfingers Johnson making sure everyone knows he couldnt catch a pass tht hit him in the numbers. …….thats depressing, …….
…a 10-2 season, tolerable happiness.
by MrBrianPSU on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's like crappy weed...
Sure it’s nice, but it leaves you a little sad in the end.
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I suppose it all depends on how much one paid for the product
if free, then it’s all good. If you pay a high premium for it…disappointing
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we paid full retail value for this "high"
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depressing?
No. Not depressing. Just forgettable.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is what I will remember:
- the horrible schedule.
- the horible music blasted at psu games as they try to fire up the crowd and refuse to let the game breath.
- Zug…nice career for a walk on.
- Clark…great against bad comp…bad against good comp.
- Oline, special teams, and DBs sucking.
Hey I will take 10-2 most years but all of these wins were garbage….but we did have a stellar recruit class
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Daryll Clark: bad against Iowa, good when he doesn't have Cam Heyward in his face and if his WRs could handle bump and run
Like just about any other QB.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You give him too much credit.
What is his signature career win?
OSU 08? Devlin won that game.
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Jesus.
Pat Devlin handing the ball off, running two QB sneaks, and overthrowing Derrick Williams on a pass interference call doesn’t equal “winning the game”.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...thats right
It was his “it factor”…
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You should not be getting high before noon, little brother.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually just like to fire up RR...he is a huge DC homer;)
Actually – when I think of DC, I remember him getting knocked out against Michigan…he was crushed by their DT in 07ish.
He talks a great same but never pulled it all together…good kid…but didn’t do it for me.
Just seemed like all show and no go…
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a "huge DC homer"
But I see no reason to say he “chokes in big games” or anything like that.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was Morelli in 2007.
Seriously, I want my bong back.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Daryll did get knocked out
I don’t think it was Branch who did it, though.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't recall how Clark got hurt in that one.
But the mammoth squash of our QB was Morelli.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...my bad...he got F'n killed.
Then DC got knocked out also.
I think DC’s legacy is somewhere in between my perspective and Rambler’s….closer to mine
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clark legacy is going to be weird
He’ll either be (22-4) or (21-5) as a starter, though he’ll never have any of those defining moments. I feel like I’ll always remember MRob for the drives against Northwestern and Michigan and the hit against Minnesota. But Clark doesn’t have any of those moments.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he will be remembered as a more athletic, less intelligent
Wally Richardson.
by brd119 on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is fine.
Wally Richardson was a good quarterback for us.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another guy who just won a lot of football games.
including 2 against Michigan…
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 23, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you'll be remembered as someone who has nothing good to say, and tries to cover it up by "speaking bluntly"
Also, Wally beat Michigan twice and won two bowl games.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think part of the reason we remember those MRob moments
is because they were the beginning of the end of the dark years. We FINALLY had something to cheer about again. I’ll take 10-2 without too much complaining because the dark years are still so vivid in my memories.
For the glory
by Paige2PSU on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But, also:
Robinson was often able to drag the team down the field regardless of the situation. Never got that from Clark.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
but I also think MRob’s receivers did a better job of catching and holding onto passes overall. We had a lot of dropped ones this year, but I don’t have that impression of 2005 (could just be faulty memories, though).
For the glory
by Paige2PSU on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because...
they were high, low, behind people, etc. (this is not a claim that MRob was much better). I swear to god if we can find a qb to hit a wide reciever in stride I might actually pass out during a game. I know it can happen I’ve seen it on tv! haha!
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you miss Clark's pass
to Saturday?
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on Saturday
The first one. He hit that guy on a dead sprint down the sideline.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
I can count on one hand the number of times DC17 has hit a reciever in stride. I know you love to argue with people, but come on.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you not agreeing with, Kevin
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with this either
Clark has hit three times the number of guys in stride than Morelli ever did.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm agreeing with Rambler and Mike
not the one-hand thing.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 24, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but...QB 14 sucked.
That is not a great comparison
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 24, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok then
He hit Deon Butler in stride numerous times last year against Wisconsin and Michigan State. This year he hit Powell in stride against Iowa. Quarless in stride against Michigan and MSU and some other team that got called back on a holding penalty. He hit Zug in stride on some nice post pattern TD’s and wheel routes this year. I think Clark did a fine job of getting the ball there on time.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 24, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
@NittanyAlum02
Well yeah. I am serious, when was the last time he hit somebody in stride. The first touchdown of the game on Saturday was a strike. Peyton Manning couldn’t have thrown that ball any better.
Clark’s balls have a tendancy to sail high. That’s a fact, I don’t deny it.
Penn State actively coaches their quarterbacks to keep balls low in order to cut down on turnovers.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
by jesse. on Nov 24, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First thing that pops into my head
The TD pass in to Quarless in the Michigan game this year
by catesinator on Nov 24, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, in 2005
He didn’t do much as a starter before that, but neither did Mills. 2005 was a magical season for the program and Michael Robinson. Those don’t come that often and a big part of it was the fact that Robinson was the WRs coach all summer long.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
by WFY on Nov 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, actually it won't be closer to mine
I sure as hell hope he won’t be remembered as a “choker”, because that’s ridiculous.
My opinion is that Clark is an above average quarterback who does well when he has time to throw, and does not do well when he doesn’t have time to throw. That’s it.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it won't be closer to either
dur
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both
They both got knocked out. Cianciallo (sp?) …..was excited to see the field w\o a clipboard
by MrBrianPSU on Nov 23, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the threw a TD screen pass to Hunt
which might have been our only TD. Probably most exciting part of his football career. That’s about all I remember from that game as I proceeded to drink straight from the keg as the game went on.
by skarocksoi on Nov 23, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He did.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Your insistence on this ‘overthrow’ is unbecoming. And having a personal vendetta against revisionist historical propaganda, I will battle you til the end of time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek5EezWfF_I
Play begins circa 5:21 of the vid. Watch it, read it, spin it however you want.
I see this: Donald Washington, having just been juked out of his jock by DWheels’ move and slant, saved a certain touchdown with his last-chance hold and interference.
DC throws to Canolipants. Devlin did not.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
But I didn’t feel like arguing this with RUTS again.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We all have our crosses to bear
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing revisionist about it.
It still looks like a marginal throw, at best.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And it's not worth caring about this much, for either of us.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably true
It’s just that I thought it was a touchdown pass.
(last word, ha!)
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's revisionist
But only at the sub-concious state. Trust me, I’m a droid.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what???
the offensive line and royster one that game. I could have snuck it in from the 1-yard line the way the line was fired up after Rubin’s play.
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*one = won.
seriously. Remember Clark as the guy who destroyed Michigan in consecutive years, and brought back to the road-swagger for Penn State
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oregon State?
b/c it set the tone for 2008?
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Devlin won that game.
This is just…what?
No. No he didn’t. Terrelle Pryor and our offensive line did.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're one of two people to say Devlin won the game
The other was Block O Nation guy.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Let’s get this straight:
Devlin ran the plays, kept his cool, and managed the game. He didn’t win the game, he allowed our offensive line to win the game. There’s a big difference. I’m still forever greatful for that performance.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So we're in agreement
He didn’t win the game.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreement it is
I’m not sure he did anything that Paul Cianciolo or McGloin or even Newsome couldn’t do.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about a compromise?
Penn State won the game as a team. All that no names on Jersey stuff. Right.
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of"
by psu in the w-b on Nov 23, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm Michigan St?
I’m sick of this garbage that Clark doesn’t possess a signature win in his career at Penn State or a decent performance against a good team. Did the Michigan St game last year not happen? The Spartans entered the day with a chance to win the Big Ten so they were a good team. Penn State needed to win that game in order to win the Big Ten title and make it to the Rose Bowl and Clark came out and had a huge game.
So your answer is Michigan State 2008 is Clark’s signature win at Penn State.
by catesinator on Nov 24, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also - Hull was a great story
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Polishing a turd here, but...
you kind of have to look at it as a turning point. Consecutive 10 win seasons are a very good thing for the program. Because even after ‘05, our 9 win seasons didn’t do much to convince outsiders that we were truly ‘back’. ’08 was a great year, and following that up with a 10-win season, as lackluster as it was, is a very good thing for national perception and recruiting.
3 years ago, people would be bitching about how we can’t beat the big guys, can’t win on the road, etc. etc. The last two years have erased some of those doubts.
Coming full circle, the turning point is that its time to maintain and improve on the current level of success in the conference. The OSU and Iowa games should not be gimme’s for the other teams.
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 23, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
Going from consecutive 8-win regular seasons in the down years to a 10-win season in a down year is an improvement. Penn State has been able to put it all together once or twice a decade, but if we’re getting 10 wins in the disappointing years when we’re waiting for the right combination??? I’ll take it.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately
this season will be known for SPECIAL TEAMS FAIL!!!
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The 12 game season makes 10 win campaigns a dime a dozen
For historical comparisons, this was a 9-2 season plus an exhibition vs. Eastern Illinois.
by PSU Mudder on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
But still, it’s the first time w/ 2 or less losses in a row since 1996/1997. I agree though, 10 win season doesn’t mean nearly as much anymore.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah crap. That's true.
But still, 9-2 is good for an in-between year.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
9-2 would have been better than 8-4...
because 8-4 is what we were in ’06 and ’07 before the bowl wins
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
We’ll count it as 10 wins after another ESS EEE CEE team goes down in the bowl.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Flat
I think that is the way to describe the season. The record is flat to the expectations. The team came out flat in almost every game too. Great season but no one lit a fire under this team’s ass before a game. Is the whole team into S&M as it seems they enjoy getting yelled at during the half.
by cjj127 on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing Starpower
When the off season previews were coming out I was looking at this team thinking that the holes we had would be covered up by the stars on defense and offense. I really thought Bowman was going to take it another level and start taking over games like Poz. He stayed great, but I thought he had another gear coming. Lee has been good all year, but didn’t really become dominant until recently.
Thought Clark and Royster would be able to perform in spite of a weak o-line; not be completely ineffective when it faltered. Seems like both of them needed others to play good in order for them to play great. I really thought DC17 was going to break through to “I can take over games at will” level but he never did. I guess you can’t really blame Royster because even when the o-line was giving him nothing he still managed to squeak out as much as possible. That being said I hope this team plays GT in the Orange bowl because I think it’s a great matchup for us defensively.
by jigalion on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think part of DC's issue was playcalling:
Trapping him in the pocket against stud DLs is bad – we didn’t do that with M-Rob. Rollouts give you a chance to run on broken plays, and we didn’t do that with DC
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To do a rollout you have to set the edge
Quarless couldn’t do it without getting flagged for holding.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me...
…but why are most posts with 100+ comments written by BSD Mike?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of posts with a 100 comments
What happend to the one from yesterday about the BCS?
Land Grant or bust! Worst 10-2 team ever? Beat Michigan State.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
Did someone start throwing gay slurs or something?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy
I know what pisses you guys off.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
100 comments
Is that total? Or just by you?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
About 35 so far
So no
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The memorable moment SHOULD have been Clark to Powell
First play of the Iowa game. Shouda shoulda shoulda.
by brd119 on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The memorable moment should have been WHEN WE FIRED JAYPA!
/2007
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think the jury is still out on Jay's coaching abilities.
an amazing statement coming from me.
by brd119 on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ehh. Jay doesn't coach the offensive line.
He’s pretty far down my list of complaints.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Which is probably why mobile QBs have done so well compared
to non-mobile QBs under Jay. The O lines have just been bad for years. (you know my stance on this I think.)
by brd119 on Nov 23, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that the OL was NOT bad last year
like you said earlier…
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on...
a coach can teach a QB to look for something but he can’t teach him to see it. When Morelli continued to struggle to go through a progression in his 2nd season, I think it speaks less to a lack of coaching ability than to a stubborn QB.
Clark was about as raw as a QB could be when he got here as far as I can tell, and when he leaves he’ll have the single season passing mark under his belt, not to mention an invite to mentor at the Elite11 camp. Jay’s doing just fine.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
?
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. There are certain things you should be able to do as a D-I QB before the 1st day of practice, or else you have no business being there. So how does it reflect lack of Coaching ability? Is the coach at fault when the reciever drops the pass? Or when the QB snuffs it?
by MrBrianPSU on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll never know until he leaves and gets to share in the praise and blame equally. My guess is he’ll be a good HC for a mid-major team somewhere. I’ve never been a Jay fan, but its hard to argue against the last two seasons’ offensive performances.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we win our bowl game, I will be at peace with this season.
Daryll can go out with an alleged “Big Game” win. He has a decent shot (213 yards passing) to get to 3000 yards(our first ever). FWIW, I like DC17. So, he isn’t Kerry Collins. Well, he’s not Matt Seneca either folks.
The thing I am most disappointed with this year is that we didn’t get to see Lee + Bowman healthy all season together.
I was thinking about it and I am going to be less pessimistic about next year than others. Ok, so Bama, Iowa, tOSU all on the road are likely losses. All of our other games a completely winnable, and we should win. I say we pull an upset in one of the 3, and gak away another game or 2 we should have won and end up 9-3 or 8-4. And hey, we usually win our bowls.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My best memory of this season is.....
our line getting absolutely OWNED my Iowa’s Defensive ends and how we couldn’t even come up with an answer for it.
- Bad coaching
- Old Strength/Conditioning program
For the Glory of Old State
by PSULion29 on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or completely OWNED by one player
Mr. Heyward.
by brd119 on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All rite! Popcorn, everyone!
Nothing like an argument about S&C. Nothing.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just type the letters H.I.T.
and see who we can bring in…
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SPARTY PIC...TROPHY WIFE
(okay, so this is a complete thread jack, I apologize, but I can’t get a fanpost to actually post to save my life. I keep getting error messages. I felt this pic was just to good to not get on the interwebs somehow)
I was fortunate to land a couple sideline passes to the game on Saturday. I go to this game every other year since my best friend’s dad played at Sparty in the 60’s and they live in the area, so I go visit every odd year. I took my wife down for a quarter and as were walking in the tunnel that the players come out of, I saw this out of the corner of my eye:
Both teams come out of the same tunnel, and there are steps leading up to the respective locker rooms on each side. The trophy was sitting at the top of the steps to the PSU lockerroom. This was right around the end of the 3rd quarter.
by hbeach08 on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Your wife is about 1000000x times better looking than that trophy
The green stair rail is 50x time better looking than that trophy.
Rec’d.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it as hideous in person as on TV?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you didn't "accidentally" drop it down the stairs?
Can you identify what that white thing is under the lion?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a stamp
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't wanna linger...
…it was sketchy enough having my wife anywhere near the sideline, but I figured it was once in a lifetime, and if they ban me or my wife from all future sidelines, it was worth it
by hbeach08 on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
does it come with a pull-out-keyboard tray?
like this one?
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
and a heated...
…nacho cheese tray in the bottom
by hbeach08 on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I totally would have stole that thing.
What’s under my jacket officer? Nothing. Nothing at all. It’s a tumor.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that'd be funny
what if we tried to ransom the thing and no one cared.
us: hey joepa we have the trophy!
joepa: ahh keep the ugly thing. What do I want with it?
us:uh, ok.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Nov 23, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
So we put the trophy out on the steps so Sparty had to look at it when they came out of their locker room at halftime?
Love it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should try putting it in all of our opponent's locker rooms for EVERY game
It seemed to have completely thrown off MSU in the 2nd half. Why didn’t we realize this thing’s dark demonic powers of evil BEFORE today!? Kind of like that pink locker room at Wiscy (I think it’s Wiscy)
Plus that way it’s kept out of sight, which is a win-win for everyone.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 23, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's at Iowa
Or, as insiders like Rambler like to call it, Kinnick.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
The Iowa AD for some reason never refers to it as “Kinnick Stadium” or “Kinnick”, but as “Historic Kinnick Stadium” or “Legendary Kinnick Stadium”. Usually the former.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
-
It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it, this post isn't so good
If this was MGOBLOG, it would include pictures of cute and fuzzy little otters.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But I doubt they’d be glaucomic otters.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think one day, when we're 7-5
and headed for a December bowl game, we’ll look back on this thread and laugh.
When I think about forgettable, I think about the Morelli years, where the signature moment over an entire two year stretch was Tony Hunt talking mad trash after single handedly running over Tennessee in a bowl game.
I’ll take beating Michigan on the road, watching Clark go from ineligible three star to draftable quaterback, and Saturday’s third quarter over all of that.
The line was new and we happen to run into two of the best front-fours in the country…thems the breaks.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Koolaid drinker!
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ding.
Something tells me we’ll be longing for boring 10-2 while we’re fighting through an exciting 8-4 next season.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See, I wish the Morelli years were forgettable
Instead the pain and frustration linger.
by brd119 on Nov 23, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really need to let it go.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
watching Clark go from ineligible three star to draftable quaterback
If you mean he is draftable in the sense that he has been out of high school for 3 years
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
by psupride on Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think anyone will pick him up?
The last two drafts have had 12 and 13 QBs selected.
BSD
by Kevin HD on Nov 23, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
He’ll get picked up as an undrafted free agent. Honestly though, he hasn’t shown the arm to be a solid NFL QB and he hasn’t shown the vision to the be a Wildcat QB/RB.
by jigalion on Nov 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think his arm is the issue.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 23, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His arm strength
Isn’t an issue. In my mind, his accuracy is.
by jigalion on Nov 23, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
And if we’re being totally honest. He’s what, 25 years old, starting his 25th college football game…would it kill him to make the correct read on a blitz.
I’m not a huge X’s and O’s guy, but I saw the middle blitz on the first play of the game coming during the pre-game warmup.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
by jesse. on Nov 23, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who was the last PSU QB to make the correct read on a blitz?
Collins?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How soon we forget
I thought this was a great year. Even though the only two games I went to were Iowa (in the rain) and Ohio State (seated beside a Buckeye fan). This was a good team.
A win over Pitt is like kissing your sister
by JuniataMan on Nov 23, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I wanted to say, rec'd
I really don’t get all this “forgettable” stuff, and maybe it’s just because this is one of the teams that played while I was in college, so I’ll always remember it fondly, but I just don’t see what is getting everyone so down in the dumps about 10-2. I’m really hoping this isn’t becoming an SEC sense of entitlement/superiority for our fans now that we’ve seemed to turn a corner on the dark years. If people are going to get pissy about not winning 11 or 12 games a year, I don’t like what we’ve become.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 23, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We blew it this year, but we're going to be very good next year
I’ll take KNew and a better OL and WR corp over DC17 and what we had this year. I think we’ll be a better all around team next year, certainly on offense, and can’t wait to see it happen. The recruits coming in, even though I’m convinced we’re gonna lose one of those qbs, are super exciting playmaking athletes.
This year . . . sad panda. We blew a cakewalk schedule to the National Championship game. It was all laid out for us nice and pretty and we blew it . . and both the players and coaches clearly and gut-wrenchingly quit long before the game was over in both of our losses. Good job for Hull and Zug tho.
PS – My crystal ball tells me Drake gonna be returning punts in our bowl game. I can’t wait to see it!
Do I know what rhetorical means?
by NLseattle on Nov 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no, no, no
This year . . . sad panda. We blew a cakewalk schedule to the National Championship game. It was all laid out for us nice and pretty and we blew it . . and both the players and coaches clearly and gut-wrenchingly quit long before the game was over in both of our losses. Good job for Hull and Zug tho.
We need a look in the mirror. We shouldn’t have expected a 12-0 season with a rebuilt offensive line. Period.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok that's fair
But the expectations were so high only because the schedule was so soft. This one was lined up just perfectly, if only the line had been up to it. Ugh.
I feel bad for DC – it was just bad timing that his guys all graduated a year before him.
Do I know what rhetorical means?
by NLseattle on Nov 23, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone forgets, we'd still have to WIN the game
Yes, the schedule was so soft, but was that such a good reason for the MNC talk? I don’t want to think we can get to / win the MNC b/c of a soft schedule, but rather b/c we were good enough. We would still have to go out and win the last game, soft schedule or not, and I just didn’t think we had a good enough team at the beginning of the year. (Yes, I know, I know, anything can happen in one game, ’87 Fiesta Bowl, etc, etc.)
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the defense?
I think with an experienced OLine, experienced wide receivers, Royster and Newsome in the backfield we’ll be fine on offense. But I’m not so sure about defense. Having to replace Bowman, Lee, Hull, and Odrick will not be easy. And our safeties are not that spectacular. They’ll be good, but they’ll have a tough time stopping some teams.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll be fine at D tackle without Odrick I think
Everyone on the rotation this year did pretty well from what I saw. We’ll take a step back for sure, but a small one.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 23, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
d-end
I have a feeling Crawford and Stanley will make a good combo on the ends. I know PSU got its share of sacks this year, but a lot of that was Odrick blowing up the interior. So there will be a drop-off inside, but I expect the edge rush will improve. The D-line made plays, but it never seemed truly scary because the edge rush was merely good, not great.
by gcdyersb on Nov 23, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
If Maybin had came back, good lord almighty that might have been enough of a pass rush to have won those two games. I cannot imagine the kind of chaos you would get with those tackles and that fast of a DE coming off the edge.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Offense
I’m not at all sold on Newsome, and I think despite Clark’s obvious shortcomings we take for granted all the little things he does like making good reads and going thru his progressions. It’s one thing if your #1 receiver is wide open, it’s another when you have to wait a few seconds and come back to your FB who just got wide open.
And I hope you’re right that Royster returns.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clark..
was better than most of the guys who came before with making the progressions, but PSU hasn’t had a QB “good” at that since Collins.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 23, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
How about some props for Clark on Saturday. I saw several times where he looked off the safety and came back to the other side. Many people didn’t think he could do that.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Nov 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cough cough Michigan blogs cough cough
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 years too late...
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone didn't watch the Rose Bowl
Or the Oregon State game. Or any game where he had time to throw.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Criticizing Clark is ridiculous
Most touchdowns in program history. Period.
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HA!
Clark had a better game then Tebow or Bradford against a better defense in his bowl game last year with no running game — the most points that USC defense allowed all year. Half of that defense is starting in the NFL this year.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
That Sukay TD play, he followed his primary target all the way across the field, and then when most Qb’s would throw the ball into coverage or decide to run, he looked over and found Sukay wide open on the side line. There are so many times in NCAAF when after a play like that the announcers say “oh man, he had so and so wide open over here, but he just never looked over there!”
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Nov 23, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sukay?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll prop that
Along with propping Landolt, Pannell, Wiz, Lou & Poti. Some of those pockets they built were quite lovely. Now, Jones got him a few times, but it took an LB blitz to get past our pass protection, and I’ll take that from this year’s line all day long.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to play devil's advocate on Newsome, I'm not sold yet either
but how many of us were sure we were doomed at QB in 2008 before the season started? I think it’s safe to say we turned out alright. Granted he’ll be a true Soph with no significant starting or throwing experience, but Clark started the same way in the Alamo bowl: showing he was a running threat.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People don't give enough love to Ogbu
He is playing very well in his own right. Everyone looks at Odrick, but Ogbu is a monster in the middle. If he can continue playing at the level he has and perhaps get even better, he should be able to eat up blocks so our new LBs can flow freely to the ball and make plays. I have faith from what I’ve seen so far that some of the younger guys like Still and Stanley will be able to penetrate the pocket close to what Odrick did the past two years.
by skarocksoi on Nov 23, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I am even slightly worried he may jump ship
I would guess likely not…but he is also an animal. Helps working with JO though
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 23, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
A win over Pitt is like kissing your sister
by JuniataMan on Nov 23, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Memorable?
This season maybe memorable in the sense that the now the drop down after a big year is not to 8-4, but to 10-2 or 9-3. The last two seasons, PSU has not lost a game to an opponent that had no business beating them. No loses to 41 point underdogs or 1-5 teams. They beat who they are supposed to beat.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
grammar/sentence structure fail.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, it had a good
Penn Live feel to it anyway.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was expecting 3-4 losses
So 2 losses exceeds expectations in that respect. I thought a re-built O-line and new receivers would be a huge problem. They were, though the O-line was/is the bigger issue.
But, after beating Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota and NW, I was getting the feeling this was a team turning the corner. Getting beaten comprehensively by a State of Ohio School was a real let down after those solid wins. My expectations grew mid-season as we handled the teams we should have handled, thus the last loss made the season disappointing. It leaves a hollow feeling to dominate in wins, then get dominated in losses.
by gcdyersb on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's raises an interesting question to me
Had we kept the Ohio State game close and perhaps only lost by a FG instead of getting blown out, would people still be disappointed? Our record would remain the same, but everyone seems to be complaining about getting completely dominated in our two big games. If we lost in a squeaker to OSU would people be happier?
I can’t complain about this season, as the last year-after-a-Big-10-Championship year we saw a considerable drop off in the quality of the team. If we can win our bowl game this year, it would be a big step on the way to making the program even better than it is now.
by skarocksoi on Nov 23, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Had we kept the Ohio State game close and perhaps only lost by a FG instead of getting blown out, would people still be disappointed?
No. At least put up a good fight.
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 23, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You better believe there would be major disappointment
I would say more. Losing a close game to a team that lost to Purdue wouldn’t have gone over well. People would do what they always do: blame Clark, blame the coaching staff for a bad playcall, blame the refs, blame the players for putting the refs in position to screw us.
People would be upset that Pryor’s first win in a close game against a big opponent came against us.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I may not understand all the nuances of the question
(speculation of crowd expectation vs. supposition of correlated reaction), but I’m certain I can accurately assess my own measures in a heirarchy of Disappointment Levels.
This year, and I suspect for all future years, getting pwned is far more disappointing than being competitive.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointment would be equal
Anger may have been higher.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointment would be unequal
Much greater for pwning, than for competitive close loss.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll just have to agree to disagree
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Your will can be bent to mine, and we’ll then agree. Can you seriously put forth that a loss is a loss is a loss and that there are no degrees of disappointment between them?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I wish I had never said "I would say more"
But I maintain that people would be just as disappointed in the season.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I accept your concession
And will concede in turn and now agree to disagree; I still maintain that being non-competitive in a loss to Hated Brutus makes for a far more (read: not ‘just as’) disappointing season than one in which we lost a close one.
(add’l concession: that is just me, and in no way represents a speculation on other people’s disappointment levels)
thanks for the debate.
yours in dorky banter,
jtothep
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 23, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
People would still be complaining about Clark being a choker, or the team not showing enough heart, etc.
It would still be a 10 win season with no big wins.
Droids are bigger dorks,
Rambler
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still maintain that being non-competitive in a loss to Hated Brutus makes for a far more (read: not ‘just as’) disappointing season than one in which we lost a close one.
this
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 24, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How much of this is due to the players?
I feel like everyone on this team is good, not great. No memory-making moments this season, but no memory-making players either. DC17, Sean Lee, Royster, all good players but nobody who will come to mind in top 3-5 players at their position.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Nov 23, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord.
Stop and smell the roses every once in a while. Already looking ahead to 2011?
While I wish the team would have gone undefeated and beat Florida in the title game by a score of 428 to Gradulations, this will go down in history as a good year. And, even if the team didn’t win ‘the big game’, we were able to get back to our beautiful campus, enjoy amazing tailgates, and watch football in Beaver Stadium. We bid farewell to some great players, like Clark, Odrick, Lee & (likely) Bowman. We got a glimpse at the future in Drake, Beachum, Morris.
We proved that we’re headed in the right direction, and the ‘dark years’ a bit further in the rear view mirror. JoePa was the subject of a fantastically written article.
That seems like more than enough for me.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 23, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Go eat your PSU Ass cookies TS
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 23, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See if I share any with you, honkie.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 23, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Curley pays us nice, doesn't he?
They don’t know what they’re missing
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed with your "dark years a bit further" comment
I really feel good about where this program is at right now. Recruiting seems to be clicking, coaches have been open to (some) new ideas in the past 5 years. Fundraising seems to be very healthy.
The only possible hiccup I see is the inevitable head coaching change. I hope it doesn’t get botched and there is a mass exodus of assistants.
by hbeach08 on Nov 24, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I only went to the tO$U game
so my memories this year include TV gems like Herbie gushing over the Iowa punter and Millen man-lovin on Tate for a qtr, but i will never forget Bowman sprinting down the sideline against Minnesota looking like Bobby Boucher
Because it's a Bowl Game!!
-My wife when asked why she didn't tell me she was having contractions Jan. 1 2007
by Grainey on Nov 23, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This thread shows
That it nothing else this season was the one that established that we’re back.
by speedomike on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Man,
I’d have killed to feel like this, that 10-2 was ho-hum while I was at PSU during the Dark Years. I can’t take this for granted, for 10-2 to be merely average after dealing with 5-6, 9-3, 3-9, 4-7, and 11-1.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
by kmblue on Nov 23, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this
my first game as a student was the toledo game
10-2 as a down year is the most awesome concept on some levels
by WorldBFat on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My first game was Miami in 2001. Eek.
10-2, yeah the losses to aOSU and Iowa sucked but yo, I’d have taken it with glee back in 2003. Hell, if this was a team under M*r*ll*, we’d have gone 7-5 this year.
Be thankful for what you got.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
by kmblue on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't take for granted
Saturday’s performance vs. Michigan State. Several times in the past the Lions have coughed up a hairball in East Lansing. But I think it’s fair to say that this season will be mostly defined by the bowl game.
by Joe 96alum on Nov 23, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ding Ding
I agree. I am holding back judgement until I see how we do in the bowl. One last chance so to speak, to get a quality win.
Also, DC only needs 213 yards passing (he’s averaging about 230ish) in the bowl to get to 3000 as I thought he would at the beginning of the season…neat
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Nov 23, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing, read The Football Letter.
I understand the feelings about this season not being memorable, but reading the Football Letter always helps me appreciate the games more, no matter the outcome. Long live John Black.
Drama isn’t always good. I’m a Steelers guy and there was lots of drama versus KC yesterday, and it sucked.
by Joe 96alum on Nov 23, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good point. WWII was very exciting
but living (and most likely dying) during it was not exciting, it was miserable and terrifying.
BTW the Kansas City drama keeps coming now that Batch is most likely out for the season after a grueling 3-4 snaps in KC. Reminds me of a line from a Mel Brooks movie.
PSU this year lacked any good drama. Only heartbreak and boredom. I think THE hilight of the season was the first snap against Iowa. I can’t believe we let that slip away. Pathetic.
The Michigan stomping was the true peak of the season. I will count this season as a success because of that.
We went 1-3 in games I cared about. 0-1 in revenge games. I have a feeling we’re gonna draw a real head scratcher in our bowl which will lead to an anti-climactic New Years.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Nov 24, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
About the potential for a GT matchup
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t GT and PSU 1 and 2 all-time in bowl victories or bowl winning percentage? That could make it an interesting matchup.
I really like our chances against Tech if we get that matchup, mutch more than against Boise St. I think Boise St would light up our Secondary, where as Tech is strictly a running team which plays right into our strength.
by RNF18 on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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