Spartans Take Umbrage With Odrick
by BSD on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST
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In typical classless Sparty fashion, they can't just congratulate a good player for winning an award. They have to be outraged that their player didn't get it. This morning The Only Colors, SBNation's Michigan State blog, takes exception with the coaches' decision to award Jared Odrick the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year by listing him three times on his top five errors made by the coaches.
5. Jared Odrick, Coaches' Defensive Player of the Year.There's no doubt that Odrick was one of the top five or six defensive linemen in the conference. However, here were the other All-Big ten first team defensive linemen named by the coaches: Adrian Clayborn, Brandon Graham, and O'Brien Schofield. If I gave you those names, where would you rank Odrick? Third? Fourth? And he's the one the coaches named defensive player of the year?
Then there's this...
3. Seriously, Jared Odrick? I mean, Pat Angerer can't get some love? Tyler Sash? If you were asking me, "Name two players on the same team who deserved the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year award", those would've been the first two names out of my mouth.
And finally...
1. JARED ODRICK? I don't want to bash Odrick, he's been a great player for Penn State all season. I'm happy that Greg Jones got the honor from the media, but I would've understood if he didn't receive the award. After all, I'm pretty sure Graham Zugscored again on a wheel route, and the failures of the MSU secondary drags the whole defense down, fair or unfair. However, I would've named Schofield, Graham, Angerer, Sash, Amari Speivey, Navarro Bowman, or Sean LeeDPOY before Odrick. Once again, Odrick deserved the honors he received as All-Big Ten, but there were several more deserving players this year in the Big Ten to be defensive player of the year.
In his comments TOC shows they either didn't watch Penn State this year or they understand nothing about football. A lot of people are pointing out that Odrick didn't even make the media's First Team All-Big Ten, but let's remember these are the same people that voted Terrelle Pryor the preseason player of the year. They don't know squat about football and can't evaluate a player unless they have a stat sheet and their Rivals recruiting ranking in front of them.
The coaches, on the other hand, watch hours of film. They know everyone's defense and they know who gave them the most fits this year, and they said that player was Jared Odrick. Sure, his stats may not be as flashy as Greg Jones, but then Greg Jones didn't have two 300 lb. linemen smashing him in the face on every play. Odrick had to fight double teams all season long, and teams still couldn't stop him. He got six sacks, and he repeatedly collapsed the pocket and flushed the quarterback into the arms of Jack Crawford or Eric Latimore or a blitzing linebacker. And most teams didn't even bother trying to run up the middle on Penn State, because Odrick was there to either tackle the ball carrier for a loss or shove the guard back in his face as soon as he got the handoff. There was no player that kept offensive coordinators up at night planning more than Jared Odrick, and when he gets drafted next April before any other Big Ten defensive player maybe it will make more sense to the Spartans.
If you want a real travesty of the All Big Ten selections, how does Daryll Clark not win Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year? Especially after the snub the media gave him in favor of Terrelle Pryor in the preseason. John Clay? Seriously? The dude only had 1224 yards rushing against arguably the worst schedule in the Big Ten. Wisconsin didn't even play a BCS conference team in their out of conference schedule. Say what you want about Penn State's schedule, but at least they played a BCS team, and don't knock Temple who has won seven in a row and is on the verge of winning the MAC.
Critics say Clark didn't win the big games, but Wisconsin lost to Iowa and Ohio State too. How did Clay do in those games? 59 yards rushing against the Buckeyes and 75 against the Hawkeyes. No touchdowns against either team. So I guess he gets a pass for not showing up. Clay had just 120 yards more than Evan Royster, and we all saw the offensive line Royster had to deal with. Give Royster the 53 extra carries Clay got and he would smash Clay's numbers by a couple hundred yards. I guess Clay just lucks out because Wisconsin had no other offensive weapons.
Clark was clearly the best quarterback in the league for the second year in a row. He led the conference in pass efficiency and was one of the more exciting players in the league. And he did it with a different offensive line and group of wide receivers from 2008. If you want a real travesty of the All Big Ten selections, look on offense. Not at Odrick.
(Yes, I realize my first paragraph about being classless for not congratulating a player got blown up here at the end of the post when I trash Clay and lobby for Clark. The rant got a little out of control there. Congrats to Clay for winning. But I still think Clark was more deserving.)
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BOOM! Roasted.
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This is getting
better each year with Sparty!! Maybe before they criticize Penn State players, figure out how to keep the game within 4 touchdowns…Could this really be turning into HATE rivalry?? I hope so!! I want anarchy every November
"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno
If we keep beating their sorry rear ends, they'll really start to hate us
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously
Could the media be more obtuse?
Gee…who are we going to vote as the Defensive Player of the year? I have no idea. Who had the most tackles? Greg Jones? Sounds good.
Like The Only Colors says, Graham Zug just scored on another wheel route.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Actually, they made him Defensive Player of the year because they're lazy and they had him as their preseason DPOTY
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm looking for a historical perspective.
When was the last time a defensive tackle won the media’s DPOY? I could see an end getting it, more sacks coming out there and all, but the media giving the award to a D tackle would be like Orlando Pace or Joe Thomas getting the Offensive Player of the Year, IMO.
Orlando Pace
Should have won the Heisman over Eddie George.
I'll second that
I never saw an offensive tackle dominate like he did. Every guy he blocked ended up on their back.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I remember one play where he took a DB from Iowa and blocked him for about 50 yards downfield
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
VIVA LA HATE
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions
How hard is it to understand?
The best player on the best Scoring Defense in the Big Ten.
by RNF18 on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think that was the logic involved.
Penn State’s defensive line was pretty much Jared Odrick this year. Everyone else was relatively average, even Ogbu (who I think is a fine player, btw). He faced double-teams all season long and still ended up with 6 sacks and 10 TFL.
Like most individual awards this season, I’m sure it was a close vote. Jones is a very good LB, but being a tackling machine on a team that’s 8th out of 11 teams in total defense is one step above a backhanded compliment. Brandon Graham was pretty much the only guy playing defense for Michigan, and I wouldn’t have squawked one bit if he won the award. Heyward destroyed us, same with that dude from Iowa. But to say that Odrick clearly doesn’t deserve it shows a stunning lack of insight and knowledge.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
The same argument can be used for offensive MVP as well
From here:
SCORING OFFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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1. Wisconsin……….. 11 43 42 0 0 14 0 342 31.1
2. Penn State………. 12 46 45 0 0 11 1 356 29.7
3. Michigan State…… 12 43 40 0 0 19 0 355 29.6
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So John Clay was also the best player on the highest scoring offense in the Big Ten. I’m beginning to feel like at least a few of the coaches mailed this decision in. We could be giving them too much credit.
by gumbercules on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Rumor has it...
…that Dantonio will use all his timeouts so that JO has to wait to accept his award.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Nov 24, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
This is pretty good, but if you want to attract hundreds of comments, you need to find an article calling Pryor grreat, call Pryor overrated (duh), call Tressel overrated, then sit back at your PC and watch the trolls & traffic roll in
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions
I can't wait to blow them out of the stadium again next November, it's becoming a seasonal tradition
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Wisco's the same way
Something like 90-20 last two years.
Do you sometimes wonder if Joe has it in for those teams/coaches and keeps the pedal to the metal even once we’re comfortably winning? Seems like some other teams he goes into ball control almost immediately after getting that 14-21 point lead but with others we’re still throwing the ball all over the field… Not to mention in those 4 games our backups have scored 4 TD’s (I think Devlin got one against Wisco 2008, didn’t he?)
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Joe hates Syracuse
Never forget the two minute drill at the end of the first half when we were up by like 30. I remember Joe looking pissed and yelling at Clark when he threw an incompletion.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
This was last year
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
He was livid
Wasn’t that also the last game he was on the field until this season? He toughed out excruciating pain just to be on the field and really pour one on his old nemisis. Up by 30 before the half? GET ANOTHER TD! Winning by 40+ in the 4th quarter with your 3rd string offense in? THROW THE BOMB!
God I love rewatching that ’Cuse game.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Yeah
He said Cuse’s turf aggrivated his hip injury, so he was iffy for Temple, and went up at halftime if I remember correctly.
Indeed
I think Joe is showing no mercy with Bielema after that offsides kickoff stunt in 2006. I can still see Bielema walking up and down the sideline with a grin from ear to ear as he pulled that off. He was so proud of himself.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Brett Bielema
It is always nice to see Brett Bielema get his rear end kicked in. That was the most unsportsman like thing I have ever seen. The real idiots in this decision making was the NCAA rules comm. What did they think was going to happen.
I wished we could of played Wisconsin and beat them by 40. Hate Week never stops with BB even when the season is over.
by nittanyliontom on Nov 24, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
What did the rules committee think would happen?
That maybe people wouldn’t be tools?
Nobody else pulled that shit before or after Little Brettie did. Am I supposed to believe that little twit is the only person smart enough to think of it? Doubtful.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
well he even ran it by the refs beforehand
during practice. They said, “yep, that’d work” and he went ahead and did it. No wonder they didn’t flag him for unsportsmanlike.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
So Little Brother has his underoos in a bunch again?
Get over it, this is no worse than watching Laury accumulate tackles and awards by doing the flying bunzai on top of piles.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
Irrelevant detail
Thanks to that new Big Ten scheduling rule, Wisconsin still has a game to play in two weeks, so Clay’s projected for 1335 yds, not 1224, and he’ll finish with probably 250 more than Royster. This is irrelevant to the argument at hand though.
Lies! Dame Lies! And Statistics!
So he’ll end up with 250 yards more with an additional 80 carries. I’d still take Royster over Clay.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
1. I was a little surprised at the Odrick pick. But for the The Fightin Dantonio’s to get that fired up about it just dumb.
2. I think playing the “coaches know more about football” card isn’t totally fair. Hasn’t it been established that coaches put no thought into things like this and more than likely have a grad assistant or someone from the SID office fill out the ballots?
3. I think we’re finally establishing some hate/rivalry type things with a few schools in the Big Ten.
while I don't know how the coaches handle Big 10 honors
it is at least slightly different than the coaches poll (where they probably haven’t seen any film on 90% of the schools), since they actually have analyzed these players pretty in depth
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
True
And I think that lends a little more credibility to an award like this. But I still doubt they put much time into the voting.
I dunno
I like to think the coaches take a more active role in something like this since they study the players and know who gave them the biggest fits. It’s not like voting in the coaches poll where they have to decided who is better between TCU and Boise State even though they probably never saw either team actually play.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
what, no "^this" for me?
I guess I’ll just go cry in my little corner here in Right Lansing.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I guess you said the same thing
I think what happens is I read top to bottom, but then comment bottom to top.
BSD
To play devils advocate
From that standpoint is Wiz really the best center in the B10? It seems to me that he was mentioned as struggling for the first half of the season, even by Joepa at one point. I guess none of these things are bombproof but I was surprised at his selection. I am also NOT a defensive coach in the B10.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
Active role-
Like Steve Spurrier and his all-SEC team?
I agree that it might be a more active role than the coaches poll, but I’m not convinced they’re really putting much thought into things like this.
I think pre- and post-season lists have a major difference too though
Post-season awards have some meaning because they’re based on performance. I could imagine about half the coaches just throwing any old thing together for a preseason list because they know it really doesn’t mean anything anyway.
Jared Odrick, I'm happy for you and Imma let you finish,
… Sorry, I can’t finish that statement.
He just won an award. To the rest of the Big Ten, shut up and color. Sorry your guys didn’t win. Maybe next year.
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
by dmoney350z on Nov 24, 2009 1:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
+1 for "shut up and color".
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Hey MSU, bite me.
He may not be flashy but this is what it looks like when you try to run up the middle.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
Pardon me
while I go change the water in Dantonio’s mom’s dish….
by jimbo2psu on Nov 24, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Screw you Sparty
You’re tacky and I hate you.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Soooooo
I’m happy that Greg Jones got the honor from the media, but I would’ve understood if he didn’t receive the award. After all, I’m pretty sure Graham Zug scored again on a wheel route, and the failures of the MSU secondary drags the whole defense down, fair or unfair.
equals
They have to be outraged that their player didn’t get it.
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Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 24, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions
Beat me to it
I’m not outraged that Jones didn’t win. Like I said in the very first comment on that thread, there’s an argument that he led the league in tackles simply because nobody else on our D seemed all that interested in tackling anyone. But the choice of Odrick was a huge surprise, with so many more obvious candidates: Lee, Bowman, Clayborn, Sash, Graham, and yes, Jones.
Maybe it’s just because taking up a double-team while others around him rack up stats as a result isn’t something that really stands out in proportion to its usefulness (you can have a big impact and not get much in the way of numbers out of it because they’re so busy trying to shut you down that someone else comes free). But that pick seemed to come out of left field. All-Big Ten? Duh. DPOY? Bit more of a stretch.
So
You’re saying you know better than the Big Ten coaches that actually vote on this award? Theoretically, you’re saying you know more about football than Dantonio?
Well, come to think of it, you may.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
I'm not saying anything about who knows how much about anything
I’m saying debate the issue on its merits. Don’t assign motives to people for which there is no evidence.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 24, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
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Consider this your first Nittany Offense™; please adhere to the group consensus opinion when on BSD.
Maybe it’s just because taking up a double-team while others around him rack up stats as a result isn’t something that really stands out in proportion to its usefulness (you can have a big impact and not get much in the way of numbers out of it because they’re so busy trying to shut you down that someone else comes free).
I think you’ve got it, what the voting coaches saw. The ensuing non-sequitur ‘seemed to come out of left field’ is a bit more of a stretch.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
That's not math
Stupid Spartan. Math has to include numbers and stuf.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
because A+B could never = C
at least in the math they teach out in Iowa. Sure they know their commas and hyphens and other punctuation rules, but start doing math and they get scared and cry.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
That may be math to you, but it doesn't help me when there's water in the John Deere's fuel tank
/cue “This is our country”
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 25, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Temple ranking
I saw some rankings that had temple ranked higher then Notre Dame! I think it was collegefootballnews.com
Peter
Well they should be for christs sake
ND has blown every opportunity they’ve had save a few.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 25, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
plus they suck
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of"
by psu in the w-b on Nov 25, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
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