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And it typical, big corporation fashion, it has a handy acronym: STEP. Seat Transfer and Equity Plan. Lots of information up on the GoPSUSports site, so get to sifting. Use this thread for any little Easter eggs you might find (like the new visitors' section being NLU, NKU, and what looks like the top 20-30 rows across the north upper deck)

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"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

New Seating Chart

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/psu/sports/c-lionclub/auto_pdf/2011-seating-chart.pdf

$2000 (“Green”) seats are the sideline seatbacks on either side of the 50 yard line near the field. Transfer fees are $2,000/seat.

$600 (“Black”) seats are ED, EE, EF, WD, WE, WF and their accompanying upper sections. Transfer fees are $1,500/seat.

$400 (“Red”) seats are EB, EC, ECU, EG, EGU, EH, WB, WC, WCU, WG, WGU, WH. Transfer fees are $1,000/seat.

$100 (“Blue”) seats are EHU, EJU, WHU, WJU, all of the south upper deck, most of the north upper deck, and all of the north end zone lower deck. Oh, and half each of EBU/WBU — the other halves are the edges of the student section. Transfer fees are $500/seat.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wow

Big Ten’s gonna love that visitor seating. I think we stole that from Notre Dame.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well the visitors got screwed

But at least there are a ton of $100 seats, which is a good thing. I guess.

by PSUJunny05 on Nov 24, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Visiting Team Seats

I was surprised to see that all the visiting team seats (except for a tiny block in EG) will be moved into the north endzone upper deck, which will allow more season ticket holders into the lower bowl section that used to be part of the visitor section (NL?). It will make it much more interesting to be the visiting mascot or cheerleaders when all your fans are far away from the field.

Phil

by baronlion on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

EJ.

That’s the current visitors section, though it probably bleeds over to the N’s. My family sat there for years.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I should have read your full initial post, RUTS...

…instead of immediately clicking on the link. Blame it on turkey on the brain.

Phil

by baronlion on Nov 24, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which brings me to a question I was going to ask

WTF is up with that tiny little square in the EG section for away fans?

And just for my own information, what is the Mt. Nittany Club, and the Football Lettermen section?

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 26, 2009 6:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mt. Nittany Club

is the first upper deck in the south end zone. Chairback seats, and you have exclusive access to the Club lounge, the glass walled area above the tunnel where the players come in. Comfy chairs, better food, nicer bathrooms.

It’s nice, but there are definitely more people who spend time in the club area staring at Mt Nittany than those who cheer & care about the game. Good place for old folks or little kids, I guess.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 26, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your options...

On July 1, 2010, football season ticket holders will be sent paperwork, which must be returned to the Nittany Lion Club offices by September 1, 2010, asking them to declare one of the following seating intentions for the 2011 football season:

• Retain your current seat location under new Nittany Lion Club STEP guidelines;
• Upgrade seat location to a section with a higher annual seat donation than your current location requires;
• Relocate to a section with a lower annual seat donation than your current location requires;
• Waive your right to purchase 2011 season tickets by choosing not to participate in the Nittany Lion Club STEP.

If you don’t reply to the mailing, you give up your seats.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As for your NLC Points...

Upon receiving all 2011 season ticket holder seating intentions, the Nittany Lion Club will place all ticket holders into a seat selection group and establish the seat selection order within each group. This order will be based on each ticket holder’s accumulated Nittany Lion Club points through June 30, 2010, and their registered seating intention.

All season ticket holders whose intentions have been received by the September 1, 2010 deadline will be eligible to participate in the online seat selection process. Complete instructions and detailed dates and times of the seat selection process will be sent via mail under separate cover.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So it pays to have a ton of NLC points by June 30, 2010?

Great, I’ll be on my honeymoon, spending my hard earned wedding money. Where the hell am I getting all this money!?!

by PSUJunny05 on Nov 24, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like our previous analysis of not going "all in" may be incorrect

Since there will be such a one time huge upheaval, it may be wise to have as many points as possible going into the 2011 plan. There’s a huge difference in seat location quality in some of those sections.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It reminds me of ticketmaster

when you buy two $50 concert tickets and the final charge is $175.

by cpm126 on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If you don't mind me saying:

F**k ticketmaster, they suck big time.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 26, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So how can I

get into the market of facilitating seat transfers? I’m a reasonable dude, for an extra 15% and maybe a non-con game thrown in on the side.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 24, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I mostly want to know how much $ I am going to need to give

in order to get my foot in the door. I currently only have something like 25 points, so I expect I’m probably SOL

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It looks like $100/seat is the

minimum contribution. There’s probably going to be some fallout so all hope is not lost.

I’m looking to upgrade – especially since it looks like my nose bleed seats are going to the enemy. Would you like me to transfer my tickets to you for a one time fee?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 24, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SOB, the visitor section starts in row 81 in the North End Zone...

figures my lousy tix are in 75,76 so I’ll be one group back in the hog slop line for an upgrade.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

F’ing A. Looks Like I’m getting relocated…. I’m in row 82. I actually liked the people that I was around.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 24, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Lots of people will be making new friends.

This is good for me, as I got stuck with two of my seats by a dude we call “The Walrus”. He’s morbidly obese, doesn’t cheer, doesn’t get up, doesn’t talk. Just sits there.

He does, however, give you dirty looks if you do anything like cheer, get up, talk, etc.

good times, that Walrus.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Goo goo goo joob

Did he have a huge ’stache?

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Nov 24, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I tried not to look directly at him, and haven't sat in those set of seats

since 2007.

RUTS sat up there this year, perhaps he can comment on the Walrustache.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, after the Powell touchdown.

Well, after the touchdown, I stood up and was screaming and jumping around and he got really worried that I was going to fall on him or his fat companion. He was the most joyless, hideous person I’ve met in Beaver Stadium.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't recall the stache, though.

Maybe I was sitting next to his buddy, the Whale.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never told you, The Walrus was there when we had your Iowa seats.

His ladyfriend was also tremendous.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The chairback seats will be moved into the black

for 2011. I swear to god, if he moves next to me, I’m sitting in the new visitor seats.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't all of the S*U seats chairbacks?

I was only up there twice, and I don’t remember. Alcohol and all that.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, no. You do what you need to do.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually enjoyed the company I had sitting behind me in Row 83. Shogun what section were you in… I think I might know who you are talking about.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 24, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was in SCU

Row: WALRUSVILLE
Seat: NEXT TO THE WALRUS

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, had someone like that over in NGU. Just a complete Bore.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 24, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he's as fat as TS and RUTS are making him out to be

You might be able to see him from NGU. That and apparently, he’ll be the only one sitting down while everyone else is cheering.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 26, 2009 6:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Student Section

I feel like having the student section on both the east and west sides of the stadium will negatively impact my ability to take photos when it’s empty and then spend the rest of the weekend acting like I never showed up hungover and late when I was 19.

by elefantstn on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is like a tax form!

enter a number in this line
enter a nuber in that line
enter a number in the third line
your minimum contriution is the highest of the three lines.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dolla Dolla Bill Y'all.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TS is gonna be Big Pimpin

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Working the calculator right now.

I see dollar signs in PSU’s future…..

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I spend 20K per year in daycare...you should be able to match for Dear Old State

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yikes!

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 25, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Two notes from the chart.

The $3/ticket annual increase for football tickets is an extra $3 × 110000 seats x 7.5 games = $2,475,000 per year.

As for “projected expenses do not include capital project funding for the 10-year period”, you can bet that means taking a run at adding suites and remodeling the press box side of the field.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They should do what NFL teams do and force all season ticket holders

to buy a ticket to the blue white game for the price of a regular game.

by cpm126 on Nov 24, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but yeah

I think the press box upgrade (as in: less seats for the press, but WAY more for high paying alums) is a no-brainer.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, why not?

It’s nicer in May, though.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've often thought

that PSU should monetize the BW game somehow. However I was thinking $5 admission vs. $60.

Maybe Curley will see your post, throw his head back laughing hysterically, and in 2012 put in place the PLODFYW (PSU liberation of dollars from your wallet) Plan signalling the end of the world.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of schools charge

but I would never pay. Ohio State is one example I can run with, though, they just donate it all…and no, not to themselves.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is a moot point

seeing as how the world is ending in 2012 anyways.

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

IF I am reading this correctly, the process is as follows:

You donate to the NLC for the “right” to get X number of tickets
Then you choose where you want to sit
Then you donate to STEP a per-seat cost, based on the location of the seats you selected
Then you purchase the seats at face value.

So as an example – for 4 seats in WJ, it would be:

Minimum NLC donation for 4 tickets = $400
STEP per-seat cost of $100 for section WJ = $400
Face value for tix ($55 per ticket x 4 tix x 7 games) = $1540

So for 4 season tix in WJ for 2011, total cost = $2,340

Is this correct?

"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They have an online excel plugin

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/psu/graphics/psu-step-calc-test.xls

Makes it a lot easier to figure out what you owe based on what you want.

Or, use Solver to select how much money you can afford and figure out how to maximize your benefits.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but that calculator only lets you know

how much your STEP donation is. It does not factor in how much NLC money you have to donate in order to be eligible for those tix.

"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 24, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FALSE (I think)

check this chart:

This is a confusing point, but I think that your STEP money equals your total contribution, not NLC + STEP. If you work the calculator and compare to the chart I linked, a Honorary Coach membership gets you 8 tickets & preferred parking. Both spit out a $2,500 cost.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh right, I see

Your total “donation” is whichever is greater – the NLC donation for the # of tix/parking you want OR the STEP cost for the location of said # of tickets…that’s not as bad as I thought.

"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That IS your Nittany Lion Club Contribution

just put in what you want, and the total is the size of check you’re writing to the NLC.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PROVEN FALSE

4. How do the new annual Seat Equity requirements impact my annual Nittany Lion Club gift?
The Nittany Lion Club STEP becomes a part of your annual membership gift. According to the Seat Equity Plan, a Nittany Lion donor’s annual contribution will now be determined by three (3) factors when purchasing season tickets:
1. The quantity of season tickets the donor wishes to purchase
2. The option to choose additional parking benefits such as Preferred or Reserved Parking.
3. The desired location(s) of those season tickets.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sound about right...

throw in another $900 if you want a reserved parking spot.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you are not

able to choose WJ specifically – just that you’ll be somewhere in Blue. The allocation in Blue will be determined by your accumulated NLC points.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 24, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SAU row 89, HERE I COME!

"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 24, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you're already in WJ.

According to the brochure, the first group to be assigned in seat selection are those who:
1. are paying the amount necessary to sit where they are
2. don’t want to move

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll go ahead and compliment Curley, et al

for doing this. To the extent that the revenue/expenditure graph is true and that something had to happen, I think they actually devised a very market-based, fair, reasonable way to allocate seats.

Throw in the fact that the south endzone is going to be even more of a zoo for opposing offenses and that they threw the visitors into the cheap seats, and I have very little to complain about.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 24, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Curley utilized the age old invention of the wheel...

as in he didn’t reinvent it. Hell, if Boise St has their stadium seating allocated by giving level and PSU does not, Curley must be steaming at the missed dollars. At least PSU hasn’t designated a section as the Buckaroo section.

www.GoPSUsports.com/step-others

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tennessee doesn't mess around.

Annual Contribution Level (*per ticket pair)
$100 – South Upper Deck – Sections GG-QQ
$1000 – Lower End Zones – Sections X1-Z15, Sections G-Q
$1000- $2500 – North End Zone Upper Deck
Sections XX1-ZZ15
$1000- $2500 – East Sideline Upper Deck
Sections AA-EE
Future Tennessee Terrace
Sections RR-WW
$2500-$5000 – East and West Sideline Lower Deck
Sections W-R and A-C.

  • opportunity to purchase

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And pay their players

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 24, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just got off the phone with the NLC

I’m in section WAU so that means this is my last year in that section because the students will be there in 2011. Ugh!!

The rep said that I shouldn’t have any problem moving closer to the 50 on the East or West side as long as I pay the necessary amount to obtain seats in those sections under the STEP plan. I’m not happy about paying more but if I an get better seats under this plan beause I’m being forced to move then at least I’ve got that going for me……which is nice!

by RNF18 on Nov 24, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I also am in WAU

and I think I am going to either move to the old visitors section or to EBU in the 1/2 that is shared with the students. I am only 30 and I scream my ass off every game so unlike blue-hairs I don’t mind sitting by them. Plus, those student seats will not even full for 75% of the games anyways.

JoePa in '09

by JGuiher on Nov 28, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, found the first loophole

Within each “level”, actual seat allocation is as follows

1) People making the required contribution and keeping their same seats do not get moved
2) Anybody who had to be forcibly relocated due to student section moving or visitor section moving or some ADA improvements
3) people trying to upgrade, and by points.

So take 2 people: A) is now sitting at the 20 and has given a pile of cash over the years accumulating a lot of points B) just got in to the stadium with the minimum number of points, and is seated in the back of the north upper deck. Both decide to buck up and go after the expensive black seats near the 50

according to their order B will get a better seat than A, even though A has a ton more points, because B was sitting in a spot that requires a forcible relocation (back of the north upper deck)

So, should A actually downgrade in 2010 to a seat in either the back of the upper deck, or in the south lower endzone?

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For the amount of money they want

I’ll retake calculus if it helps me maximize my benefits.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It looks like A should downgrade

assuming that the allocation is as straight forward as you write it. The better way to do this might actually be to say that everyone forcibly displaced by the students/visitors is guaranteed seats in the giving level that they desire, but they will be thrown in with all of the other folks that also desire to sit in that section and have the requisite points to qualify to sit there. At that point, the seat allocation in the section goes by points, so that if A downgrades and then makes the minimum bid to qualify for seats, he would get them, but would be at the end of the line in the section.

I’d call the NLC to double check that you’re right about that before actually doing it, though.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 24, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully when they think this through

they’ll realize that if you are forcibly moved AND want to upgrade, you should be thrown in with the other upgraders, not moved ahead of them.

Even so, I think some of the forced relos might hit the jackpot. There are a lot of great seats in the cheap category, such as EHU or WHU.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Blue seats aren’t the end of the world.

Visitor seats… now there’s where you don’t want to be.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep,

EHU/WHU is the best value in the stadium now; no doubt about it.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 24, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone want to make a bet

this thread hits 300 posts in a HUGE hurry?

I need to start collecting some cash for a “Lions Pride” level donation.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

49th

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That depends

on your definition of “a HUGE hurry”

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Nov 24, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Priorities...

Seat Selection Groups & Order of Selection
1) Season ticket holders who will remain in their current seat locations

2) Season ticket holders left without the choice* of retaining current seat location because of:
i. Student seating enhancement
ii. Relocation of the visiting section
iii. Installation of ADA seating

3) Season ticket holders declaring a preference to upgrade their seat location to a seating zone with a higher required annual seat donation

4) Season ticket holders declaring a preference to release their current seat location and relocate to a section with a lower required annual seat donation

5) Season ticket holders declaring a preference to purchase additional season tickets and Nittany Lion Club members who wish to purchase season tickets for the first time

  • Season tickets located in the first three (3) rows of sections EA – EJ and WA – WJ, as well as sections SG (even numbered seats, rows 1-58), SH, SJ, SK, WA, WAU and WBU (odd numbered seats, rows 41-80), and North Upper Deck sections NAU – NJU (rows 81-95 in all sections), must be reassigned due to the installation of ADA seating along both sidelines, the enhancement of the student section in the south end of the stadium and the relocation of visiting team tickets to the North Upper Deck.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

so it looks like mudder's idea above was right

the smart move for 2010 is to try to get into seats that must be relocated in 2011…

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 24, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They're also unnecessarily penalizing downgraders

A) gave a ton of money in the past, has seats on the edge of the black zone, decides seats in the red zone would be just fine now that he’s retired. Still writing a nice check to the NLC each year for some pretty good seats on the 20-30 now, just not the 45 any more.

B) Back of upper deck, few points, decides now he wants to upgrade to the red zone.

B gets a better location in the red zone than A.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree

Once you wish to upgrade your seats, you move into category #3 (3) Season ticket holders declaring a preference to upgrade their seat location to a seating zone with a higher required annual seat donation).

You’re no longer being “forced” out if you’re movin’ on up, a la The Jeffersons.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually that was a bad example

making B back of upper deck confused the issue. Suppose B is middle of upper deck, and is just loooking to upgrade, not a forcible relocation

The criteria clearly state that all voluntary upgraders will be seated ahead of all voluntary downgraders. Makes no mention of points. B could have 85 points, while A could have 500, and it doesn’t matter, B gets the better seat ocation in the red zone.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There you are correct.

In the eyes of the NLC, the guy paying more now trumps the guy who payed more in the past. B gets the better seat.

As they’re paying the same amount, it’s not exactly fair, is it?

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but what's the likelihood of that

its true, that a longtime generous donor could all of a sudden downgrade to being a below average donor and not be compensated for his lifetime giving, but that seems like a fairly unlikely occurrence. If you’ve been giving generously for a long time, you likely can afford to continue doing so to keep your seats.

But yes, the losers in this scenario are long-time donors who no longer want to pony up the cash.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 24, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's my comment above...

I have about 200 points and currently sit in NEU rows 75,76. A mere 5 rows higher and I move from group 3 to group 2. Chances are if you are up in the sky you don’t have 100’s of NLC points.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 24, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Red...

definitely Red.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 25, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

New visitor seating

looks like potential for ugly interaction between fans. Spreading visitors out will increase the “border zones” where they sit next to PSU fans. Also the visitors will now have to climb the stairs in EVERY section in north end zone to reach seats at top. This will amount to running the guantlet as they enter or exit. Bad situation if you ask me.

by jabama on Nov 24, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, it'll encourage good visitor behavior, I suppose.

But yeah, I can see that turning into a bad situation. Big difference between lumping 1,500 visitors in one section as opposed to spreading them out across the fringe of the upper deck. Not so much safety in numbers anymore.

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by Run Up The Score on Nov 24, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, here goes

If you expand all the cells in the linked Excel file, you can see the data PSU is working with. It looks like this is how things will shake out – I’m only going to go over the cheap seats, as that seems to be the most prevalent request here.

If you want 1 (ONE) ticket, you pay $100 to NLC (or STEP, still haven’t figured out where the money goes, or even the need for the NLC anymore). Then you pay the face value of the tickets granted.

If you want 2-4 (TWO TO FOUR) tickets, you pay $400 flat rate to NLC/STEP, then pay face value times the number of tickets. At this level, it would behoove you to get 4 tickets else you’re wasting $100-$200.

The same analysis applies as requested tickets increase, with you obviously paying face value times number of tickets, but then you pay an increased “donation.” 5-6 tickets = $1K donation; 7-8 tickets = $2500 donation; 9-10 tickets = $5K donation; 11-12 tickets = $10K donation, and 13-14 tickets = $20K donation.

So if I’ve got this right, a person wanting two tickets will pay $400 (NLC/STEP) + (2 tickets * 7 games * $55 per game) = $1170 total. Three tickets will pay $1555. Four tickets will pay $1940. Ergo, the per person cost comes out as follows: 2 – $585 per person; 3 – $518 per person; and 4 – $485 per person. To contrast, if you wanted just one more ticket, the math would be: $1000 (NLC/STEP) + (5 tickets * 7 games * $55 per game) = $2925, which is $585 per person, the same as the 2 ticket per person rate. So it further behooves you to go in on a group of tickets at the top end of each pay scale.

In conclusion, who wants to split four tickets with me?

The only question I have is this: the stadium seats X, and Y people want seats. Right now, the difference of Y – X are donating to the NLC to get their points up and eventually take over seats when they’re available. What will happen next year? If I want 4 tickets, pay my $1940, and am turned away, now what? Is there a line? First come first served? Will the NLC point system remain? Why is this so confusing?

by PSUJunny05 on Nov 24, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How is it a 400 flat rate for 2 seats? I thought it was just 200 for 2? I know right now I donate 200 flat to get my 2 tickets.

by cmdpsu15 on Nov 24, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Exactly right!

If you want two Blue section seats, your NLC/STEP cost (assuming you don’t want reserved parking) is $200 TOTAL. You are correct that if you want 5 tickets, you’re paying $1,000, even though 5 Blue seats only “cost” $500.

Check this grid:

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I used the Excel sheet

Type in two tickets next to blue, and the bottom “CLICK HERE for the Minimum Required Contribution” says $400. Then if you expand the A and B columns, you can see their data. I still don’t understand.

by PSUJunny05 on Nov 24, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does not compute.

I’m putting a ‘2’ in cell E7, and get $200 in cell F19.

I suggest making sure everything else is a zero, or go out and relaunch the spreadsheet.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Double Dog Does Not Compute!

I’m using the Excel spreadsheet found above.

I’m putting “2” in E7 and getting “$400” in F19.

by PSUJunny05 on Nov 24, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the spreadsheet has an error in it

It does come up at $400 for 2 tickets, which is incorrect based on the published chart.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends....?

Sorry, broke into song there. Maybe they uploaded a corrected sheet, as it does seem that $200 for 2 blue tickets is the right answer.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It appears they did upload a corrected sheet

the old one was called psu-step-calc-test and the new one is nlc-step-calc

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To explain this in an easier fashion:

Your cost in 2011 comes down to three factors:
1. how many tickets you want
2. where you want your tickets
3. what parking you want.

You need to answer each question, then look at the math behind each. The largest figure is the price you pay.

For example, if I want 2 tickets in the blue section, but want reserved parking, I’m paying $2500, as that’s the cost to get #3 on the list above.

If I want 6 tickets in red, but don’t want any type of preferred or reserved parking, I need to pay at least $2800, as the cost for category #1 is $2500 (Honorary coach can get up to 8 tickets); cost for #3 is $0, and cost for #2 (7 tix X $400 per each red seat) is $2800. As the cost of figure #2 is the highest, that’s what I owe.

I get the math & the rules on this, so if anyone wants me to run through their scenario, PLEASE just let me know.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OK, I think I get the math.

But what hasn’t yet been discussed is what to do with the extra people. Will the NLC still exist as sort of a queue for people that didn’t get tickets? Me and 200K other people want the (let’s just say) 50K “Blue” seats. How do they decide?

by PSUJunny05 on Nov 24, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not clear.... but it seems NLC points will remain in place.

If you read the FAQs, you see these references, which suggest that NLC points will continue:

5. Can I also transfer any of my Nittany Lion Club points?
No, your Nittany Lion Club points do not transfer.

9. Who pays the Seat Transfer fee?
The transfer donation will earn Nittany Lion Club points and will be credited to the Transferee’s NLC Account. The individual making the donation will realize the benefit of the tax deduction.
15. How do we remain seated with our friends who are currently seated nearby?
Those currently seated nearby have the same options that you do. As long as both you and your neighbors meet the seat donation requirement for your current location, you will remain seated together. If there is a decision by a party to move to a different section requiring a different seat donation, all parties would need to request seating together in the new location, but all new locations will be assigned after assessing availability and by taking Nittany Lion Club priority points into account

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it be $2400

Since the min. NLC donation for 6 tix is $1,000 and 6 x $400 per red seat is $2400?

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by Horse N Buggy on Nov 24, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MY BAD; example unclear.

Six red tickets with no parking would be: $2400

If you see, later in the example, I cited 7 red tickets.

Seven red tickets with no parking: $2800

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In that scenario you are eligible for

One reserved spot and one preferred spot to go along with your 7 red tickets.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and to add

suppose you only got the 6 red tickets for $2400. Might as well pay the extra $100 to get to the $2500 level and the numbered parking spot.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I need to switch to decaf

Remember the time I said I knew what I was talking about, only then mixed up about three different scenarios in my example?

Good times!

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What happens to people in WBU who are relocated because of Students???

I read the fine print and it does not say what happens to season ticket holders who are relocated because of the students.

does this mean we have to relocate to the North End Zone Upper Deck if we want to retain our tickets without donating more than we already do?

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by Stately NOVA Lion on Nov 24, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You get first priority of available seats

so you’ll likely end up in the seats of other people who are upgrading, which could be as good as EHU or WHU. You are ahead of anyone who s downgrading and also ahead of anyone who is just getting into the stadium for the first time, regardless of their points.

by PSU Mudder on Nov 24, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Visitors seats

Unless I have my colors mixed up, it looks like there is a small sliver of visitor seats in Section EG in addition to the other ones. I guess those are for the big donors from other schools.

by mundyscorner99 on Nov 24, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Family seats from the visiting team?

Maybe. Can’t see the other schools being happy with where we’re sticking them, regardless of who the ticket holders are. Those seats by and large SUCK.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If that's the case

You’d think that maybe they would put family seats where the visitor bench side is. The PSU bench is on that side. Not that I really care or anything but just an observation.

by mundyscorner99 on Nov 24, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Other than...

“that’s where they’ve always been”, I couldn’t begin to guess.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sideline Seatback seats

I would LOVE to get in on those. I’m sure you would have to have like a million NLC points or something, but at $2,000/seat, that’s too rich for me. If it were $1,000/seat I think it would be worth it to have the chairbacks.

by mundyscorner99 on Nov 24, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scenario

Two Black Seats at $600 each = $1200. When I put in 1 for the Preferred Parking (in the Excel sheet) it doesn’t change the amount from $1200. So is that included based on that donation level? When I look at the benefits chart – it says for “Honorary Captain” you get the opportunity to purchase preferred parking, so I would expect to have to pay more for that.

Also, where is the Preferred Parking at? And has there been anything out that says what the ticket prices will actually be? Like if you have to pay more based on location for donations, then I would expect the actual ticket prices to vary too. I would be surprised if they are all going to be $55 for any location in the stadium (other than club.)

by mundyscorner99 on Nov 24, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Parking is baked into your donation at that level.

You still pay for the actual parking spots, but it appears Honorary Captain gives you the right to get preferred parking.

No mention so far of different ticket prices or what parking changes might be coming. Good questions…

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 24, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NHU row 84

I really liked my seats and there are a fair number of places in the blue that I really would not like to sit but hopefully the forced relocation works out for me. No taking it easy this year – better get the wallet out and up the NLC points.

by PSiriUs on Nov 24, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What if I don't have tickets???

I’m pretty sure I’ve asked this a couple of times, and I apologize for beating a dead horse, but like JNitt above, I’ve got around the 25 point mark. What do I do going forward? Continue giving my $100 per year and then apply when I can, or up my donation next year and apply? What is the application process anyway? Pryor H. Zug this is confusing…

by PSUJunny05 on Nov 25, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not that this answers your question

But one of the interesting points is that in the old way, once you had tickets, even if you donated the minimum, you ALWAYS had tickets. Now, it certainly seems that this becomes a year-by-year thing, thus not guaranteeing anything.

However, I do assume some small part of the population will say ‘no thanks’ to all of this, or won’t be able to make a contribution, so I guess some seats will free up.

Bottom line? I guess if you can afford the NLC donation, keep making it, as points up to July 2010 will count towards who gets seats should there be an over-demand for Blue tickets.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 25, 2009 5:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the NLC is here to stay

its just that now everyone has to be a member. I thought it was pretty clear that you still will keep your seat year to year as long as you pay them what they’re asking, you’ll just be more free to move around as you can TRY to upgrade or downgrade your seats.
However, none of this says they can’t just scrap this plan in 5 years for something even more lucrative.

by PSiriUs on Nov 25, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But one of the interesting points is that in the old way, once you had tickets, even if you donated the minimum, you ALWAYS had tickets. Now, it certainly seems that this becomes a year-by-year thing, thus not guaranteeing anything.

where are you getting that from? The information makes it seem prety clear to me that current seat holders are guarenteed to continue to get thie season tickets in the same location as long as they make the appropriate minimal donation. And if you are a person being displaced from your seats (by the students or visiting section) or want to change locations, you’ll be placed in line for tickets before any new ticket applications are considered.

After 2011, I’d imagine it’ll operate the exact same way as it always has: donate enough each year to keep your seats and you can keep renewing them indefinitely, no matter how many NLC points you have.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 25, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Applying for tickets

I don’t think there’s any correct answer since no one really knows how many people will renew and keep their tickets and how many people will ask for tickets in any particular section of the stadium. My advice would be to donate this season and apply for tickets like you have in past years (say, donate $200 and request 2 tickets). Some people might drop tickets for 2010 given the less than stellar home schedule and perhaps some general unreast and you might get in. If you do, they you’ll be home free for 2011 by just renewing your seats.

If you don’t get 2010 tickets, I would just see what happens. More information about the 2011 seating will probably come out in fall of 2010 and you’ll be better able to judge how to get tickets for 2011. I think it will actually be pretty tough to get new season tickets in 2011 even with the increased costs of seats, so I would hope to get in for 2010 if you can.

Definitely donate at least in 2010 to get some more NLC points if nothing else.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 25, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Soon to be former season ticket holder

I’ve been a season ticket holder and NLC member for over 30 years. I have 4 tickets in EGU—-2 pairs 18 rows apart, (which I have been trying for years to get closer together to no avail). One pair is on the 15 yard line and the other is on the 10. Hardly what I would call primo seats, yet they are in the new “red” zone. I’ve been contributing $400 per year to be able to buy these tickets. Now, to keep these seats, they want me to pony up $1600 for the priviledge of paying $55 per ticket to watch their annual parade of pastry non-conference schedule and to, more often than not, lose to Ohio State, Michigan and Iowa?? I think not. I am also not interested in seats worse than what I already have. The new literature they sent out notes that one of the benefits of this STEP program is a decreased probability of ticket price increases. Yeah, right—-from 100% probability to 99%. This is nothing more than a naked money grab by an arrogant, morally bankrupt university. So after 2010, there will be 4 seats in EGU available to someone with more money than they know what to do with.

by psualum74 on Nov 28, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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