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Grading the Penn State Offense Against Northwestern


It was slow to get started, but eventually the Penn State offense came to life in the fourth quarter and scored three touchdowns on three consecutive offensive snaps.

Quarterbacks

Another fantastic stat line for the senior captain.


vs Northwestern / 10.31.09PassingRushing
CompAttPctYdsTDRushYdsAvgTD
Daryll Clark 22 31 70.0 274 1 6 16 2.7 1

It shocks me to see commentary on some of the Penn State message boards about Daryll Clark not looking very impressive. Excuse me, but, what else do you want? He's on pace to smash just about every single season passing record in Penn State history. He's about to take the career passing touchdown record. He's leading the conference in passing efficiency, and he's No. 14 in the nation. He has now gone three games without throwing an interception, and he's only thrown one interception in his past five games. I don't see how he can play much better than this.

On Saturday, I can't think of any glaring mistakes. He made good decisions. His throws were right on time with the pattern. He tucked the ball and ran when he needed to. He spread the ball around completing passes to ten different recievers. Even his fakes score points. Royster's long touchdown run was set up by a pump fake to a wide receiver in the flat. It froze the linebackers and pulled the safeties out of position opening up the middle for Royster's scamper. Clark is just playing at an incredibly high level right now.

Final Grade: A

 

Receivers

It's hard to believe that Derek Moye is just a sophomore. Saturday was his third 100 yard receiving game of the season. He and Daryll Clark appear to be completely in sync right now. Take a look at his stats for the season.


Receiving
GRecYdsY/GAVGTD
9 39 648 72.0 16.6 5


With three games and a bowl game, he only needs 88 yards per game to eclipse 1000 yards on the year. He can pass the mark in the regular season with 117 yards per game. If you're counting at home, Bobby Engram has the school record for single season receiving yards with 1084. It's a difficult mark to reach from here, but it's achievable.

Graham Zug had an off day. He had four catches for 34 yards, but he also dropped a wide open pass that would have gone for a big gain, and dropped an easy touchdown in the endzone. Also, what's up with fair catching a punt at the six yard line?

Eight other guys caught passes in the game. It was a really good team effort.

Final Grade: B+ 

Star-divide

Running Backs

Royster had trouble finding room to run through much of the game. Northwestern was stuffing the box with eight defenders to slow him down. Many of his early yards came when he ran away from the designed direction of the play. But the deep pass to Moye loosened things up. Northwestern was paying a ton of attention to the flankers, so when Clark pump faked a bubble screen and handed Royster the ball on a draw play, there was nothing but 69 yards of grass between him and the endzone.


vs Northwestern / 10.31.09RushingReceiving
RushYardsAvgTDRecYardsAvgTD
Evan Royster 15 118 7.9 1 1 7 7 0

Brandon Beachumeven got in the game for a few carries to give Royster a rest. He finished with an impressive 25 yards and a touchdown on only four carries.

Final Grade: A


Offensive Line

Once again I was not impressed. I mentioned that many of Roysters yards came on his own. They did a lot of pulling with Landolt and Troutman, but Wisniewski and Eliades weren't getting much push so the end effect was Landolt and Troutman just getting in Royster's way. But then Northwestern only recorded three TFL and one sack, and the Wildcats were stuffing the box, and Penn State did manage 163 yards rushing, so maybe it's not as bad as I think it is. But I'm scared as Hell thinking about the Buckeye defensive line this Saturday.

Final Grade: B

 

Offensive Coaching

I wasn't impressed with the play calling in the early going. It was a lot of running into the eight man brick wall and short passes designed to pick up six or seven yards. This was partly due to Penn State's poor starting position on the field the entire first half. We all know Joe Paterno hates to take chances on his 20 yard line.

But the key drive started with just under seven minutes to go in the second quarter. That's when Penn State said, "Screw it. We're done trying to run the ball." They took over at their own 7 yard line and tried to pass the ball on every play of a 93 yard drive that ended in a touchdown. They came out and tried to pass on three straight plays of their next drive. Though that drive went three and out, the message was sent loud and clear to Northwestern. If you are going to stack the box, we will throw on every single down if we have to. Penn State found the Northwestern defense much easier to work with in the second half because of it.

The touchdown pass to Moye and the draw play to Royster were brilliantly set up and executed.

Final Grade: B

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ok seriously

the formatting is all wacked out for me. is the BSD logo at the top left of the screen covering up the title of the post in firefox for anyone else?

what ever happened to “if it aint broke…”

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not happening for me

I have Firefox 3.5.4 for Mac. That problem doesn’t happen for me when I use Safari either.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Nov 3, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm on a work computer with vista

and for some reason i have FF 3.0.15

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm also on vista with FF 3.0.15

but the formatting isn’t screwed up at all for me

by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 3, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Formatting

Completely messed up for me as well.

by jigalion on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this happened to me too...

was screwed up this morning (using Firefox for Mac, not sure what rev)

looks great now (Firefox for PC, rev 3.5.4)

by coachKofPA on Nov 3, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

now about the post

i think, no matter how many times players say it, they were absolutely looking towards next week. notice how their focus was jostled when NU took a one TD lead. i’d like to say that we made great second half adjustments, but they were things that should have been part of the game plan, or at least realized much earlier. three 3rd and shorts in the first half…three runs up the middle…one first down!

also, i hate games on halloween. not because it’s a disruption…but because all of a sudden every upset has the most ANNOYING STORYLINE EVAR!! zomg it’s halloween and this team that shouldn’t have lost has lost…lets talk about why they lost because it’s halloween! causality bitches…come on…

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 8:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Zug Fair Catch

There were about 4 Northwestern players surrounding him when he caught the ball. If he doesn’t catch it the odds are the ball is downed at the 1 yard line putting the offense in a real hole. I think it was a good decision to catch it.

by catesinator on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My 'z' isn't working. Boo.

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by Run Up The Score on Nov 3, 2009 8:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

my 'z' is

but for some reason when i put spaces between my paragraphs, they don’t show up when they post.

i’ll try it now…

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

F

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

way to go, obama

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But is it change you can believe in?

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t believe in this change.

My z is working.

But the page is really slow.

And I’d don’t know yet if my paragraphs will work.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clark Clark Clark

Let me say 1st – I am new to BSD. You guys do a great job – thank you.

Ever since I saw #17 take the field last year, I’ve been a huge fan. Fine, Maybe his numbers aren’t always great, and maybe he doesn’t ‘will’ his team to win like a Tebow, but I’ll take Darryl Clark over 90% of qb’s out there, and over 100% of qb’s Penn State has seen in the last decade. I went to school when Mills played, and got to see the ‘toolbox’ that Morelli possessed (lol, right)…so I agree with this post and wonder how people can be unimpressed with Clark. Have you not been following PSU for last 8 years to see the crap we put on the field? Robinson was the only silver lining, but he didn’t have an arm like Clark does. When I saw Clark last year step into a pass (forget the game, wisconsin maybe?) while an oncoming truck (linebacker) was about a foot away from drilling him…I though – finally. For his leadership, grit, determination and skills – Clark not only deserves respect, but should PSU win out in convincing fashion, Clark deserves to be mentioned with the college greats (imo – biased obv.) He’s given this program solid ground to stand on

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 9:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I remember at some point in the jNW game on Saturday that some defender was flying towards him, straight on, and Clark just stepped into the throw, chucked it on a frozen rope, and took the shot to his body like a man.

Contrast that with Pryor, who backpedals and lobs from his heels to avoid such a hit.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clark

Indeed he’s looking good. Better and better. Last night I prayed to Zug for DC17 this weekend:
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Oh Great Zug
Whose voice is heard in the winds and whose breath gives life to all the world
Hear me! I am small and weak.
But I come to you on behalf of your teammate. He needs your strength and wisdom.
Grant him Serenity, any ounces that his hyperdrived Soul can possibly accept.
Make his ears ready to hear the wisdom of those around him, who will remind him an overamped DC may be a danger to the AC portions of his inner self, and thusly, to the cubs around him.
Deliver unto him, almighty Zug, the only thing he seems to really lack: Calm.
A calm as smoothe as the breeze over the reeds, as placid as a cool pond on a warm day. A calm impervious to calamity, late hits, dirty play or anything the smelly buckeyes may dish.
Please, Zug, do this unto Clark, and maybe get really open a few times too.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was counting on you

One of the original, and remaining, devotees, to appreciate.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clark is the man

I don’t know what it’ll take for these people see how good he is.

And btw, welcome to BSD!

by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 3, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think everybody knows how good he is

And how bad he can be. His body of evidence is out there, quite starkly.
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I don’t know what it’ll take for these people see how good he is.
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The better question is what will it take to show people how much better his bad has gotten. And the answer is tight competition and pressure. Iowa, OSU and USC are the only ones who have provided it to him the past two years. OSU knocked him out last year, and took away his chance to show us something. Iowa last year showed us he couldn’t shake that residue. USC was just better than us, but DC looked every bit up to the challenge. Iowa this year…. OSU this year is gonna bring it. They’re way deeper and play far more aggressive defensive schemes than Iowa does. Our Oline is better than we were against Iowa, so that should help immensely.
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But this weekend will show us how much better DC has gotten. Or not.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

DC has had some tough games, as every QB does. And it is sad – the hit that Laurenitus put on him cost us our perfect regular season last year and a lot of recognition for DC. Clark was still recovering from that blow/concussion in the 23-24 loss to Iowa – not sure why he was on the field when we had Devlin on the sidelines.

DC can’t do it by himself this weekend, although he needs another good game. Our running game and Royster are so important this week…..I hope he steps up

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of running game

any word on stephon? he travelled to NU, but didn’t dress. any chance he at least dresses this week?

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to ask the same thing

I hear he traveled, but no word on whether he was dressed or not. Maybe they kept him out and we’re saving him for a little Buckeye surprise…

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I’m really pulling for him. He’s a very likable kid, and a ridiculously hard worker. I love all that he aspires to be. And he continues to demonstrate improvement. Accuracy. Reads. Decision-making.

I just hope he stays chill. I’ve posted on here ad nauseum that his primary issue is composure, that he’s oft times a little too much Johnny Ringo and not enough Virgil Earp. An improved offensive line should help him. But Moye & Zug aren’t gonna be as open this weekend, and Royster’s holes are gonna be just a little bit tighter, and he’s gonna need to be chill and mature for 60 minutes.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah OSU will show us something.

Clark has definitely had his problems responding under extreme pressure, keeping cool is his biggest problem. He’s not perfect, but he’s not as bad as these people make him out to be. Though like Millzners said below, there are people just that aren’t over the old QB “controversy”. Whatever. If Clark performs well under a lot of pressure from Ohio State, that will be a great step towards him being considered an upper echelon quarterback. We’ll see. I certainly hope, and think he’s improved. He’s definitely put in the work!

by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 3, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The one positive I've seen in the past few weeks, despite playing lesser opponents

Is that Clark isn’t just blindly throwing in desperation under pressure. He’s been taking sacks if there’s no other option, or throwing it away. Brandon Graham beat Poti a number of times, but Clark didn’t do anything overly stupid (I can’t remember if the deep ball to Powell in the scUM game, where Powell tripped and was double covered was under pressure or not, but it was overthrown anyway).

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 3, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but I’ll take Darryl Clark over 90% of qb’s out there, and over 100% of qb’s Penn State has seen in the last decade.

Sorry, I can’t take Clark over Michael Robinson. Robinson’s 2005 season was legendary, and if he’d been a full-time starter with capable receivers in his years previous to 2005, I can only imagine how much better he would have been.
That being said, Clark’s #2 for me behind Robinson since Collins left.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Nov 3, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's close

But I like Clark better. MRob had an annoying habit of hitting wide open recievers right in the shoes from 10 yards away.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Way

I don’t know what the numbers are, but I’m sure Clark eclipses Robinson on every one of them. If Robinson was so good, why couldn’t he beat out Zach Mills for the starting job?!? Mills was not good (understatement of the century). The only reason Robinson’s season was legendary was b/c PSU was so bad the previous 2/3 years. And if it wasn’t for Larry Johnson, we would have had 3 back to back to back years of horrible, losing seasons under Mills. Robinson could run – and this opened PSU’s offense for the first time in a looong time = wins. I loved 2005, but not half as much as Clark. Sorry, he’s on a different planet than Robinson.

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"If Robinson was so good, why couldn’t he beat out Zach Mills for the starting job?!?"

The short, short version: Allocation of resources. They needed him much more at those other positions, and Robinson was enough of a team player to go along with it.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Nov 3, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly

It makes sense, but how could the coaching staff leave Mills in there if there were other options, especially when he was playing so poorly (for years)? Doesn’t it make more sense to give Robinson a couple games to prove himself as the QB?? It’s a much more important position than wide receiver….

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If a QB doesn’t have a capable WR to throw to, it doesn’t matter who’s playing QB.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Nov 3, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

If we know that Mills at QB and Robinson at wideout isn’t working (by working I mean contributing to W’s) then where can you go from there (there being bottom of the barrel, or conference)? Up. Robinson should have gotten the nod at QB before 2005 (imo). There were other receivers besides Robinson….the QB at the time just couldn’t find them b/c he wasn’t good

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you remember

how little offensive talent those teams had? The idea was to get the best athletes on the field simultaneously. There was no one behind Robinson who was nearly as good an athlete. While he was probably a better QB+playmaker than Mills, I doubt those teams would have fared any better letting Robinson freelance with no one to throw to.

by gcdyersb on Nov 3, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

It was a while ago. Hey, I understand. The blame goes around to more than the qb. All I know is what we tried to do didn’t work. If Robinson got a chance, would we still have seen losing seasons – probably. I just would have liked to see it.

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think everyone is forgetting

how much better MRob got. He played QB often pre-2005 and he never did anything that made him the obvious permanent replacement for Mills.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 3, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I know when he got some time here and there, he didn’t look especially appetizing. It wasn’t until the 4th or 5th game of 2005 that that team came together and started playing well….

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i do remember

a wide receiver that Mills had to throw to named Bryant Johnson. I don’t remember when he graduated, but I think Mills had some talent to work with…

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2002 was BJ's senior year.

Not coincidentally, the best year of Mills’ career.

by jtw126 on Nov 3, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the 2004 WR depth chart....

FL * 12 MICHAEL ROBINSON
* 19 GERALD SMITH
* 9 Terrance Phillips
25 Branden Perretta

SE * 80 MARK RUBIN
* 11 Terrell Golden
* 83 Ryan Scott
13 Kinta Palmer

Anybody remember recruiting the WR position and how great it was that we got these tall fast receivers – Kinta Palmer and Terrence Phillips and the burner Josh Hannum. Can I get a Bust, Bust, and Bust (Terrell Golden gets a 1/2 bust).

No thanks to Maurice Humphry turning rogue and donning prison stripes, I casually forgot that Mark Rubin was our most reliable receiver. Take Robinson out of the WR mix and that my friends would have been an even rougher year to be a QB than it was.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 3, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This ^^

Who was LJ’s backup RB in 2002? Robinson. Who was PSU’s best receiver in 2003 and 2004? Robinson.

Robinson’s season wasn’t legendary just because of how bad PSU was the previous two seasons. It had a part in it, but it was also because of his leadership. During the offseason before 2005, Robinson taught the freshmen WRs their position. Then they were out running patterns. The freshmen WRs already knew the offense before training camp started that year.

Oh, and in 2005, Robinson set a Penn State single season record for total offense, breaking the record by almost 500 yards. He had 3156 yards; Clark had 2879 yards of total offense in 2008.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re:

Agreed on the leadership point – that jogged my memory a bit. Hey, I’m not taking anything away from the 05’ season – it was magical and special given what fans had endured years prior. There was also the creation of a great highlights real that year that would be hard to replicate. And when it comes to raw talent and atleticism, I think Robinson cleary wins that as well. When comparing Qb’s though, I just feel that Clark gives you the options to run and put up points like Robinson did, but I think his abilities as a sit in the pocket and pass QB are much much better. I just wish Clark didn’t get hurt like he did last year (concussion) because it would have made for much more exciting play calls this year

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robinson vs. Clark

Maybe if MRob had been given more than 1 season as a starting QB you’d have an argument or if MRob had devoted his entire first 3 years at PSU to learning the QB position he might have been better. But the fact is Clark is superior statistically in every category over MRob except one, number of bowl wins. However IMO that comes with a huge asterisk as the FSU team that Penn State played in 2005 was a far cry from the USC team Penn State played last season.

What Michael Robinson did was special in 2005, however there is a reason why no NFL team looked at him as a QB going into the draft. He didn’t have anywhere near the accuracy throwing the ball needed to succeed at that level. There is a far better chance Darryl Clark starts an NFL game at QB than Michael Robinson ever will.

by catesinator on Nov 3, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More Robinson vs. Clark

I can’t fault anyone siding with Clark. On a down-to-down performance, Clark’s the guy. On a numbers basis, Clark. On an accuracy basis, Clark. On a ball safety basis, Clark.

But …

What made everyone love Robinson was that despite all those things listed above, when it was crunch time, he always delivered. That 2005 team got in some tight spots — some of them because of Robinson’s doing — but Robinson always delivered. We’ve not seen those moments from Clark yet.

by tuscaloosalion on Nov 3, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More on the "crunch time" analysis

We often see Clark sulking or getting frustrated after an interception (not so much anymore, interestingly enough, but last year especially) or bad series, but Robinson was the eternal optimist. I think that had more to do with his success than anything else. He BELIEVED something great was right around the corner and it rubbed off on everyone in the huddle with him, especially the freshmen waiting for leadership to set the tone.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 3, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DC17

Message boards? A-la Penn Live?…ppfffttt

Anyone who isn’t impressed with him / his career ’prolly still eats paste!

It was the Wisky game last yr when he stepped-up, delivered and took aheckofa shot it the upper chest.

I watched the game “out” this past weekend / with the Charlotte Chapter folks; I was telling this younger alum that in most of his passes where the TV didn’t show the receiver yet (as DC was getting set and then launching) you could just tell it was going to be a catch / and a big one – just on his form!

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 3, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was completely

frustrated with the play calling in the first half. I’m not sure why 5 yard outs were in the game plan when jNW had so many injuries in the secondary. I felt the coaching was timid and honestly poor. I liked the way they were able to regroup and dominate in the second half however, which took the bitter taste out of my mouth. So overall I am very excited for arm punts, sweater vests, and Laurinaitis ..ohhh crap…

"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno

by pmm156 on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You don't think that

5 yard outs and bubble screens are taking advantage of injuries in the secondary?? Put it in the superior athletes’ collective hands and let ‘em make plays. I’ll take 5 yard swings to Powell and Moye on first down all the time.

Throw a bunch of those, bring the inexperienced DBs up and beat ’em deep later, which is what we did. Seems pretty smart to me…

by jtw126 on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

The 5 yard out has the same effect as a run play. It keeps you on schedule with your yardage and downs. If you can execute it like PSU does, you keep running it on 1st down to get into 2nd and short situations. Since Royster was being bottled up, this was a great tactic.

When you get into 2nd and short with a 7 yard out, you now have a ton of play calling options. If an opponent is giving you 5-8 yards every time, you take it.

by gcdyersb on Nov 3, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you're talking about

There were a lot of plays where PSU had a good first down and got themselves into a 2nd and 3 or 2nd and 4 situation. I was pleading with them to take a shot downfield on a play like that, but instead we would see a handoff to Royster or a dump off to Quarless for five yards.

Short gains can be good, but I like to use them to set up situations where you can get a big gain off of it. They did that eventually with the long pass to Moye, but I felt that early in the game they were passing on those opportunities.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

But I’d also suggest Royster’s run was set up by the 5 yards outs as well. Clark faked the out, then gave the delyed option hand-off to Royster. The Moye TD also followed from the quick outs.

The bigger problem was simply not seeing the ball in the 1st half. Stupid penalties and a miracle “fake” punt kept the offense off the field. So it took until the 3rd quarter for PSU to get into a position where it could play off the “vanilla” plays. The offense dominated once it had gone through a couple of longer drives.

by gcdyersb on Nov 3, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying

that a 5 yard out is a bad play…I’m saying that it was the focus of the game plan for 2 quarters. We have seen how effective throwing down the middle of the field is and throwing 10+ yards is (see Michigan). It was a completely different game plan that I feel doesn’t play to the strength of this team. Let’s say they stuck with this first half game plan through the game, would it be unrealistic to think that a 20-13 win would have happened? Thats my point…why tempt fate? Play to your strengths

"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno

by pmm156 on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Frosh WR's and God's Gift

I was impressed to see both the Drake and Justin Brown (true freshman) were:
1. IN THE GAME, ON THE ROAD, when we were trailing
2. Getting looks in CRITICAL SITUATIONS, and making nice plays
Plus Quarless continues to be a tremendous option on 3rd down. His transformation into a hard-working, dependable player seems to be complete. With his receiving and blocking skills, he should be a solid NFL prospect.

Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater

by NittanyTide on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brown

I have a feeling Brown is going to be a beast.

by RitterPSU on Nov 3, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

He sure looks the part.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the things he's doing to see the field this early

Work ethic. Check.
Downfield blocking. Check.
Team first attitude. Check!

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brown

After he had that catch over the middle he got up shaking his head and I thought showboating a little too much for a Penn State player. It was nice on the sideline after the drive seeing DC chew him out.

"Wherever you go, Penn State will go with you. You are now a part of her. Her image will be cast in your image. Your reputation will become her reputation."

by noodlebucket on Nov 3, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't lie

I liked the head bobbin’.

by jigalion on Nov 3, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

missed that

good to know.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that too, but I don't really know if I'd call that "showboating"

Anyway, I think they had a shot of DC17 yelling at him on the sideline, which confused me at the time, but maybe the elder lion was schooling the young cub in the ways of the Penn State football player.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 3, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love DC's confidence

But I’m not sure he has much room to talk when lecturing players about being less demonstrative on the field…

by jtw126 on Nov 3, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you trashing the DC17 Fist Pump?

HOW DARE YOU! That move single handedly destroyed Wisconsin last year!

Anyway, DC17 Fist Pump connoisseurs such as myself, have noticed a bit of variation this year. He’s gone with a salute to fist pump combination, which is very hard to pull off, but he executes it flawlessly.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 3, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes, the salute.

That seems to be only after a DC17 rushing touchdown, does it not? I’m curious as to the origin of this development.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 3, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i saw it after the bomb to moye i think...

or maybe it WAS after his run. i could have sworn i saw a slo-mo of him doing it after the moye TD.

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DC had a great game.

If you add the two drops by Zug and, I remember, Beachum dropping a screen that looked well set up, his stats would have been astronomical.

His one pass to Zug in the end zone was well off mark and I remember him bouncing one on an out pattern, but several of his other “misses” may have been throw aways!

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi

by PaJoe on Nov 3, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also,

I was very impressed with Zug on Royster’s TD. He came out of nowhere, looking for somebody to block and actually passed Royster to make sure nobody got to him.

Great speed and never give up on a play!

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi

by PaJoe on Nov 3, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree about Clark

Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder then someone saying they’re not satisfied with Clark. Guy’s on pace to be one of the best QB’s we’ve ever had.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Nov 3, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Agreed Agreed

Next year, when Clark is gone, and Pryor (sorry) I mean Newsome steps into the QB spotlight – hindsight will be 20/20, and fans will finally start to recognize what we had in Clark. I personally will miss seeing him on the field. I’m sad just thinking about it actually

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

QB controversy

Well it all started last spring, people took sides in the QB thing, and those lines are still discernable in the PSU landscape. Some people changed over the minute Clark showed what he’s capable of, while some remain sceptical. I’ve been in Clark’s camp since ND 2006, so maybe I’m biased, but I think if you look at the last 20 years of QB’s going back to but not including Collins, Clark has shown he’s a step above those guys.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Best PSU QB since Collins. Probably not a sure-fire NFL pick, but he executes the offense very well. People complain about his mistakes in big games. But against tougher competition, you’re not always going to have a great day. It may even be chicken vs. egg: PSU was in a tight game because Clark played badly, or Clark played badly because PSU was playing a tough team. Looking back to QB14, his B-10 stats were mediocre compared to his non-con numbers. Every game for QB14 was tough. Clark has 1 or 2 of those per year.

by gcdyersb on Nov 3, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big games

People forget how he destroyed Wisconsin and Michigan State last year. Those were two good teams that went to bowl games. And he really didn’t play that poorly against USC. I don’t pin that loss on him.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

I don’t mean to take anything away from Clark, but Wisconsin was not a good team. I don’t care if they went to a bowl (they got destroyed by a bad FSU team anyway).

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True

But that was a big game at the time on the road against a ranked opponent.

It’s just curious to me how people hype up the game before the game as a “Big Game”, but then after Penn State blows them out the tune changes to well, it’s just Wisconsin. Or it’s just Michigan. Or it’s just Michigan State.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wisconsin was ranked? How was that possible?

They were horrible and everyone could see it.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not everyone

Especially, in the MSM, has RambleVision.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Humans are stupid

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought they were

They had that last second loss to Michigan. And then Ohio State beat them at the last minute the week before we played them. They started the year somewhere ridiculous like #8 or something.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that sounds right

But I think everyone knew they were due to be exposed when they could barely beat Fresno.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right

but I think the “humans” made up a lot of excuses (“it was at Fresno”, “big time difference”, blah, blah, blah).

The “humans” don’t like to be wrong . . or else they’re exposed as people-who-make-a-decent-living-doing-something-they-don’t-really-know-anything-about. So the justifications about why it was close comes out, lest there create some need to admit they might have been wrong about that one.

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Nov 3, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair..

to Wisconsin, it’s worth noting that although they never warranted their lofty pre-season ranking, things kind of came unglued for them last year.

I can pinpoint the moment when they went from being “kind of good” to “total disaster”: October 11, 2008, with 10:11 remaining in the 2nd quarter.

by tuscaloosalion on Nov 3, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How anyone can complain

about Clark is a mystery to me. I’ve also liked him since ND 2006. Some seem to be focusing on the close games,but you have to remember that Clark is the reason many games are blowouts. IMO he’s on track to be at worst the 3rd best QB Penn State’s ever had (Collins and Blackledge).

by Joe 96alum on Nov 3, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The one throw he made to Moye on an out route

where he put it in a very small window, right over the reach of a linebacker but underneath the DB and right along the sideline where only Moye could get it was a thing of beauty. Probably one of the most impressive throws I’ve seen him make. The pass to Quarless against Michigan was fantastic as well. He’s made some impressive strides in his game as the year has gone on, so anyone with complaints from earlier in the year needs to wake up and see how he’s improved.

by skarocksoi on Nov 3, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

On both those throws, and totally different. Very pretty.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

I don’t waste my time on PennLive.

by BSD on Nov 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, is it a mutually exclusive choice?

You’re either with me or against me?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much lol

I hate that place. I stopped going there when I discovered BSD.

by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For the most part. I still read ARitt from time to time.

And read a few PSU pages. They usually turn into PSU vs. Iowa pissing contests.

by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 3, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome.

A Big Ten pissing match between Iowa and PSU. Michigan and Ohio State too far down the ladder to matter. Dear Zug I hope it stays that way after this week.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh god, I hadn't thought of that

but if Iowa goes undefeated, their crazy internet fans are going to be even more insufferable. I thought they were bad last year and the year before, talking about being disrespected and underrated, but wow, just imagine the eruption if they go undefeated, snubbed from the MNC game and blow out their bowl opponent.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scared, aren’t you, JNitt?

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 4, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd rather have to suffer iowa fans

than have to suffer scUM and tOSU fans.

i’d be nothing but happy if iowa and PSU challenged for the B11 champ for the next couple years, while scUM and tOSU suffer with tater and armpunt.

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 4, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's surprising

especially since those boards are like a 90/10 mix of annoying SEC homers and actual human beings, respectively

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NEWSOME

What are the thoughts out there on KN?? While he was apparently a Huge recruit ‘taken’ from Michigan, he’s looked very scary to me in the short amount of time he’s spent on the field….He looks faster, and more Robinson-esque than Clark, but curious on opinions….

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we haven't seen enough of him to really make an opinion

and as much as I like a QB who can run when needed, I’d like to see if he can make good, tight, accurate passes first.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 3, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A year under Clark can't hurt either

Much like MRob was to Clark, Clark has kind of taken that mentor role with Newsome from what I remember hearing from summer practices. He’s a project, but he is a great runner, if he can just refine his running style and his throwing a bit, he should turn out to be a solid QB. Next year will be interesting/scary, but it usually is when a new QB comes in.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 3, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Needs work.

Newsome seems to be very raw as a passer. He’ll have to work hard to hold off the incoming freshmen next year, IMO.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Nov 3, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks good and athletic running the ball, but carries the ball like it’s a hot loaf of bread. Everytime he holds the ball it’s a fumble waiting to happen. He also doesn’t appear to have a feel for the passing game as of yet. But he’s a true freshman with no competition for next year’s starting QB job, so I am optimistic.

by catesinator on Nov 3, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re:

hot loaf of bread comment was hilarious! I agree we need to see more from him, but between the tuck and runs, to the fumbles, to not coming close on a couple passes, he’s scary as of now. He’s obv. got a ton of talent though…

I saw we play ALABAMA game 2 next year….I hope he spends a lot of time practicing over the summer….

by stewsplace on Nov 3, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd think its wide open in practice

with Newsome having a slight edge by having a year of the system under his belt.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Nov 3, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I guess its because I'm in western PA, but I'm not hearing much about PJ.

It seems like I’m hearing great things about Bolden, but I guess everyone is the bomb diggy in high school, amirite?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Nov 3, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just look at morelli

hell…look at pryor

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 3, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

I guess that was a vague statement. You won’t hear much about him here because he doesn’t play for the Steelers or the Penguins.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Nov 3, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

are any of the QBs planning on enrolling for Spring semester this year?

Because if not, I would pretty much guarantee that Newsome will get the starting nod for next year, at least for the beginning of the year (and we know how reluctant our coaches are at switching up the QB, especially to put a true freshman in)

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 4, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Either Way

I believe Newsome will likely have to regress an insane amount, or one the frosh be Tim Tebow Pt. 2 for Newsome not to win the job.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Nov 4, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Newsome

Even though his passing mechanics need work, I think we’ll be ok. With a veteran OLine, veteran receivers, Evan Royster, and Newsome’s running ability we should have all the offense we need. I’m actually more worried about the defense front seven next year than I am about the offense.

by BSD on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I might be with you

These guys seem hard to replace:
Lee
Odrick
Ogbu (could be back)
Bowman (doubtfully back)

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the Stache is gone too

But, we’ve seen a lot of young guys step up this year too and be surprises.
As for the D-line, Crawford and Lattimore will be back at the ends, who while not having Project Mayhem-like seasons, are playing pretty solidly, and are improving. I think Ogbu will be back, but we’ve also seen the solid play of Devon Still, Hill, and don’t forget we’ll probably be seeing Brandon Ware next year assuming he isn’t knocking off a 5 gallon drum of ice cream a night right now while he’s not a starter.

As for LB, It will be interesting to see what happens, but remember the panic we all had when Lee went down before last season? We were faced with a walk-on junior and a bunch of young guys who had no significant playing experience. While we probably would’ve been more dominant with Lee, there, I think it’s fair to say everything ended up being alright, especially with the emergence of Bowman. We’ve got the same thing next year, assuming Bowman doesn’t return: a bunch of young guys. While Bowman leaving might hurt, we’ve got a ton of talented LBs, young as they might be, but I think we’ll be just fine.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 4, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

aren't we worried about this every year?

and every year we’re ok. not to mention that we are very deep on the d-line. we’ve rotated a lot of guys in actual game time situations and all have performed well. don’t worry til after blue-white weekend.

We decide when you hear the snap count...

by thedrizzle on Nov 4, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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