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Really. That's how I feel this morning. With Oklahoma State's loss to Oklahoma on Saturday, the Big Ten is virtually guaranteed an at-large bid to a BCS bowl. The only question is will it be Iowa or Penn State? And will it be the Fiesta Bowl or Orange Bowl? Everyone is talking about the angles and trying to figure out which team is more attractive to which bowl. In my opinion, Iowa can have it. I don't want it. I will explain why.

According to the BCS rules, the Sugar Bowl will get the first selection due to losing their automatic qualifier to the national championship game. They will most likely take the loser of the SEC Championship Game.

Next up will be the Fiesta Bowl if Texas beats Nebraska this weekend. With Oklahoma State losing, it's likely they will take a Big Ten Team. Either Iowa or Penn State. But who will they play? Ohio State, the PAC-10 champ, and ACC champ already have tie ins to other bowls. So that means the opponent for the Fiesta Bowl would most likely come from the group that includes TCU, Boise State, or Cincinnati. (This assumes Oregon defeats Oregon State, Cincinnati defeats Pitt, and Texas defeats Nebraska this weekend).

Uh, no thanks. I know the money is great and all, but this would be just another sad matchup the hopelessly flawed BCS system has delivered in recent years. I'm sorry, but ten years from now I will not be rocking a Fiesta Bowl champs T-shirt if they go and beat TCU. I seem to recall years where #3 played #4, #5 played #6, #7 played #8 and so on. If we can't have a playoff, can we at least have a system that gives us more to look forward to than a 10-2 Big Ten team playing a mid major opponent?

But my real motivation for not caring about the BCS bowl is the consolation prize. Thanks to Mississippi State beating Mississippi this weekend, LSU is sure to get an invite to the Capital One Bowl, where the loser between Iowa and PSU in the BCS sweepstakes is sure to go. Now that is a game with some sex appeal. Les Miles and the Tigers are just two years removed from a National Championship. They carry that SEC swagger. And really, Penn State would have nothing to lose and everything to gain in that game. If they lose, it's no big deal because LSU is an SEC team and they are supposed to beat the big dumb and slow Big Ten team. But if Penn State wins it would be a huge lift for the program and the entire conference. It would open the eyes of the national media and shut up a lot of the Big Ten critics. Plus it would give Penn State tremendous momentum going into the offseason. Recruiting would surely get a boost and Penn State would get a lot of positive media going into the 2010 season.

So if it were up to me, I'd tell the BCS to take their game and stick it. I would gladly go to the Capital One Bowl and play LSU over the big dollars to play TCU or Cincinnati.

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BCS Game

I for one do not want the BCS game…simply because we did not earn it. Iowa is a head of us and beat us, they should go. i know money and traveling, and TV ratings all come into play, but I would rather go to a game we should actually be in.

On a side note, I do want the BCS game if some how Pitt gets in. i would love to play them.

Big Ten Titles for everyone.

by QBsneak12 on Nov 30, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

I'm rooting for Pitt (yes, dirty) for just that reason.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Nov 30, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree I prefer LSU over TCU/BSU/Cincy

but the win would not “open the eyes of the national media and shut up a lot of the Big Ten critics”. The Cap One is lost among the BCS games. B10 won Cap One from 2004-2007, including a Michigan team that lost to App State beating Heisman trophy-winning Tebow and the mighty Gators. But B10 lost 2 BCS bowls, so media says we stink.

If somehow we could play Ga Tech in the Orange, I’d love to see our front 7 against the triple option.

by pjk on Nov 30, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

GT wouldn't be that great

I really believe this. If Georgia’s crappy defense can stop them, then we can stop them. And we could run all over their defense.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I would KILL to get a "top 10" GT team

and absolutely blast them.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Nov 30, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think thats the only BCS game I’d want to see PSU in. I think Iowa deserves it more than PSU but its all about the dollar so who knows. Too bad they couldn’t put TCU vs Boise in a bowl against each other and have the rest of the world get their christmas shopping done while that game is on!

by RudyWasOffsides on Nov 30, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Rudy is a planner....

why spend ludicrous amounts of money on full price swag or soil yourself among the serfs battling it out for Black Friday deals when you can shop Christmas 2010 during the New Years Day blowouts.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Nov 30, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, who doesn’t plan a year ahead?

by RudyWasOffsides on Nov 30, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

can’t believe I botched that zing, I suck.

by RudyWasOffsides on Nov 30, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

After their loss to Georgia

there’s almost no upside to be earned in beating GT. IF they had been 11-1 coming into the bowl, then a win over them (which I definitely believe you’d be able to pull out) would have some cache’. With the loss to Georgia, however, Tech suddenly looks like yet another mediocre ACC team that can beat the red-headed stepchildren that constitute the ACC but can’t beat even below-average teams from the power conferences (which Georgia decidedly was). Thus, Penn State wouldn’t gain anything from beating GT. In fact, you would probably be in a no-win position, PSU would undoubtedly be the favored team, maybe heavily, and could never live up to expectations and the game would be “closer” than expected, whatever the final score was barring a complete blowout.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 30, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It would still be the best win on our schedule, a win over the ACC Champion, and even if just for black-and-white statistical perspective, a BCS win.

by rbz14 on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a great debate topic...

Would it benefit Penn State (and the B10 by extension) more to beat a Cincinnati/GT/Boise State team, or a fringe Top 10 LSU? Cincinnati/Boise would be a higher-ranked, undefeated team on a bigger stage…but I think it would say a lot for the B10 #3 team to beat the OMGSEC #3 team too. I honestly can’t decide which matchup would tell me more.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take Cinci for sure, TCU maybe, but agree with everyone about BSU. The problem is I think there is a 80-90% chance a Big Ten team is playing BSU in the Fiesta.

LSU was much more exciting before they lost.

BSD

by KevinHD on Nov 30, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU

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by psu on Nov 30, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone watch their game with Arkansas?

Arkansas missed a FG in OT. Game over. LSU would have lost if that game had kept going. It’s amazing how overrated that team is. They have beaten no one. Lost by double digits to Floribama. Were close with Washington. Pulled a win out of their ass against Miss. State.

And they were ranked in the top 10 for most of this season. Ridiculous.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Then again...

The coaches still think we’re better than Iowa, so I guess I can’t complain too much.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

They also think Ga Tech is better than UGA

Because outside the undefeateds, it’s not mathematically possible to privilege every winner of a head-to-head matchup. Stop complaining about it.

by elefantstn on Nov 30, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

all the better for us to play them

I watched a couple of their games and I think it will be an exciting and good matchup for us. I don’t think we will run over them but have a good chance of winning.

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby

by psu on Nov 30, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

RR - Special Teams Concern

That kid (way too lazy today to look it up) who returns punts and kickoffs for LSU is ridiculous though! That match-up alone will keep me up at night before that game.

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by NittanyAlum02 on Nov 30, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, no thanks. I know the money is great and all, but this would be just another sad matchup the hopelessly flawed BCS system has delivered in recent years. I’m sorry, but ten years from now I will not be rocking a Fiesta Bowl champs T-shirt if they go and beat TCU. I seem to recall years where #3 played #4, #5 played #6, #7 played #8 and so on. If we can’t have a playoff, can we at least have a system that gives us more to look forward to than a 10-2 Big Ten team playing a mid major opponent?

Call me silly, but wouldn’t a playoff actually make it more likely to have those kinds of matchups where a BCS conference team plays a mid-majot like TCU or Boise St? If anything, the current bowl system generally makes it difficult for top (or close to the top) teams in major conferences to end up playing mid-majors.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 30, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Indeed

This is the perfect storm of having mid-major conferences at #4-6. If Virginia Tech beat UNC and had a 10-2 record we wouldn’t be complaining (unless we were Boise State).

Also, I’d love to play TCU; they’d be one of best teams we’d play all year. (Curley should have compromised and offered a home-and-home when PSU was trying to add them to the schedule.)

by Aaron PSU on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

TCU

Yeah, TCU is really really good. I actually don’t want to see PSU play them because I think we’d lose to them unless most of the other potential opponents (Boise St, LSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson) where I think we’d be favored and likely to win.

I would love to see TCU in the BCS championship game — I think they’d stand a decent chance to win against any of Alabama, Florida or Texas.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 30, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

TCU: Best team in the country

IMO. They have weapons everywhere, and a defense. Big names/media exposure/highly-touted recruits be damned, they can play against anybody and win.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I am praying so badly for Texas and Cincy to lose

So I can see TCU play for the National Title and hopefully win.

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by Roland86 on Nov 30, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Erm...

The Big East is not a mid-major. Really. You can look it up. We get an automatic BCS bid and everything.

by drothgery on Nov 30, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, he's right

I looked it up and they do…well unless ND steals the bid from them ;-)

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

They can't steal our BCS bid

Our other bowls, yeah (well, except for the really sucky ones). But the BCS spot, they can’t take.

by drothgery on Nov 30, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It's true

In fact, since the changes to the conferences, the ACC champion – not the Big East champion – has been the lowest ranked automatic qualifier three out of four times. The Big East champ has won its bowl game three out of four times.

You guys need a better PR agent. This guy just isn’t cutting it:

by Aaron PSU on Nov 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Ol' Gill

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Everyone thinks we’ll lose because LSU has an awesome defensive line, except…they don’t. Beyond that, I want an SEC team.

Wisconsin can take Ole Miss. Ohio State would run for 300 on Oregon. The Big Ten’s upper tier could go 4-0.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

er, 200 for OSU

300 yards seems like a bit of a stretch

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh

It’s barely a stretch

by BSD on Nov 30, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I am baffled why people don't want us to make it to a BCS game.

I don’t care who we play. Making 3 BCS bowls over a 5 year stretch is pretty damn impressive and I would argue more so than betting the 3rd place team from the SEC.

by VVeRPennState on Nov 30, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

I'm with you on that one.

That’s quite a fact to dangle in front of recruits. Two straight BCS games and three in five years. Besides, I’m going to be stuck in a car all day on January 1.

And all the Big Ten teams split the bowl money evenly, so it’s not like Iowa would have some giant financial reward for going to the BCS. Indiana gets the same piece of the pie as Ohio State, except for travel expenses and such.

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by Run Up The Score on Nov 30, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd want the BCS game more for the players than anything then...

I hear the gift packages are borderline lavish for the BCS bowls. Which also wouldn’t be a bad thing for recruiting purposes either.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

BCS Games

I don’t care what bowl game we go to. All I care about is the opponent. You can make the case the TCU or Cincinnati are better football teams than LSU, but LSU and the SEC have a lot more sex appeal and would gain a lot more attention. Especially where I live here on the Gulf Coast where everyone not wearing Burnt Orange is wearing purple and gold.

by BSD on Nov 30, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't see it that way.

There is a reason why TCU and Cincinnati are ranked 10 spots above LSU, they’ve had a more impressive season according to the coaches, media, and computers. It seems to me, the only reason you want us to play LSU is that “sex appeal” factor, which I think you are overrating. Beating LSU in the Capital One bowl isn’t going to magically “open the eyes of the national media and shut up a lot of the Big Ten critics” any more than Michigan beating Florida two years ago.

by VVeRPennState on Nov 30, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Does Wifey know about your fetish with the SExyC?

Do you make her wear a Tebow jersey in bed? Do you call out Les Miles name? The people need to know.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I call out Bobby Bowden.

and demand that I be referred to as Bergwood. And if that’s wrong I don’t wanna be right

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I feel dirty for having laughed at that

…and even dirtier for having rec’d it.

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Nov 30, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I care more about the destination

And I want to spend NYE in South Beach again…

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Nov 30, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Who are you? Out one side of your mouth you say you care only about the opponent, but out the other say you don’t care about the quality of that opponent, but rather their sexiness.

How very Un-Paterno.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Now THAT is an "oh snap"

Mike you have been called out

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The BCS has such prestige

Just read the obit on Charlie Weis: went to 2 BCS games in his tenure (and lost both!). Would they have even mentioned the bowl games if they were NOT BCS games? Probably not. I think the only reason to prefer a BCS game is because it’s a bigger carrot to show the recruits. But I think the better game would be outside the BCS.

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by NJ lion on Dec 1, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't lose both

They were totally awesome in their HUGE win in the Hawai’i Bowl last season.

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh fudge nuggets... not a BCS bowl

This is why I shouldn’t reply to these things first thing in the morning…

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Central time

So it’s 9:31 for me. :P

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 1, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm back in grad school

I’m enjoying it while I can :)

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 2, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

YES

100% agree with this. I think LSU would be an awesome game. I don’t think we earned a trip to a BCS game and I despise teams that sneak on for whatever reason (O$U anyone?) So I say bring on the Capital One Bowl and the Tigers. Would be such an awesome game!

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by PaternosGranddaughter on Nov 30, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

O$U has never really snuck in

at least that I can recall. They’ve either won the Big 10/competed for the MNC game, or didn’t win the Big 10 but was clearly the second best team in the conference and good enough for an at-large bid.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

tOSU at 10-2 were chosen over 12-0 Boise St last season. That’s essentially “sneaking in” to the exact same extend that Iowa or PSU would be doing this year.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 30, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

no it isn't?

2 very different situations.

your first is OSU “sneaking” in over undefeated (but not really that good) Boise St, who then went on to lose to TCU anyway. That’s the way of the system, though. There’s a reason there are so called 6 BCS conferences, and 5 mid-major conferences. Is it fair? Probably not, but OSU was still probably a better team than Boise St. last year.

That’s moo, though, since this year the situation would be Penn State sneaking over Iowa, who has the same record, but holds the head to head matchup. I agree that Iowa deserves the bid, but there are somewhat legitimate reasons for putting PSU ahead of Iowa, such as the same record, but no losses to “bad” teams.

Iowa wouldn’t be sneaking in over anyone if they get the pick. I would put money that both TCU and Boise St are going to the BCS this year.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't we share the money in the Big 10 anyway?

So as long as Iowa or PSU goes to a 2nd BCS don’t we still get just about the same payout?

If we’re talking conference as a whole, the best thing we could do is NOT get the extra BCS spot so all of our teams weren’t playing up a notch. Then we win 5 of 6 bowl games and look better than having a losing bowl record.

As for a preferred opponent – My wife went to LSU, one of my best friends went to Georgia Tech and I live in Ft Worth, so there’s an angle for everything.

TCU is playing some great football right now and they are not a very good matchup for us – great DLine and multiple look offense. LSU is horribly undercoached and not as talented as everyone says they are – plus their QB is just kind of dumb. Georgia tech is devastating when they’re running on all cylinders – their Dfense sucks though.

As for me and my people – Bring on the Tigers!!

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by brubby on Nov 30, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Splitting the money

I’m pretty sure the team that goes to the BCS game gets a bigger share of the money for themselves. There has to be some reward for making a BCS game.

by BSD on Nov 30, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

There are adjustments made among the conference teams for travel expenses, but it’s a pretty equal split.

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by Run Up The Score on Nov 30, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This is correct.

Which is why every WAC official imaginable will be on the first plane to DC to begin anti-trust hearings if Boise State isn’t selected as an at-large.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Just did some quick research

I think you’re right. In that case, there isn’t even the money to play for in the BCS. More reason to say “forget it!”

by BSD on Nov 30, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun vs. Prestige

I think that’s what this is all about. I disagree in that I think we get more of a prestige bump out of winning a BCS game, especially since the biggest knock on Big 10 teams has been the record specifically in BCS bowls, but I agree that LSU would be more fun to play than Pitt, Cincy, or either mid-major (though Pitt would be fun too.)

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by Adam Bittner on Nov 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I believe you meant...

LSU is horribly acutely undercoached…

by bconway6 on Nov 30, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ambivalence

I think I want to have an opinion about the PSU bowl game, but I really don’t. There seem to be distinct benefits (and costs) to playing in either a BCS game or the capital one game, but it’s not clear at all to me that the benefits of one significantly outweigh those of the other.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 30, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Don't go here...

we have way too much time and way too little to talk about for you to piss on this fire today.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

you grossly overestimate me

if you think i could ever stop or, really, in any way stifle, a bsd debate

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 30, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah, true

any debate could rage on for months around here…and if it stops, RR will argue with himself until someone else picks up again.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Iowa is overrated

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't even make sense

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

why not?

She’s rated at #157634, when clearly she’s #245987 at best.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

HA HA

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by psu on Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll play devil advocate.

1) Assuming it fell into place, PSU-Georgia Tech would be a great match up in the Orange Bowl. I would love to see PSU’s defense, which did so well containing the outside edges in the running game except against Ohio State, against Paul Johnson’s offense. This game would live and die on PSU’s ability to contain the option with its linebackers and the D-lines ability to break through the Yellow Jackets offensive line. It would be classic.

2) It would mean three BCS bowls for Penn State in this decade. Alternatively (since it’s 2010) it would mean JoePa has coached in a major bowl in SIX different decades. Think about that for a second—it would be an unbreakable record.

3) Not that you’re implying otherwise, but recruiting will not be affected negatively if PSU goes to a major bowl game.

4) Once again, “deserve” has got nothing to do with it. If anything, the system is more fair than ever. We have ten bowls, six undefeated teams, and a logjam of two-loss teams afterwards. Every two-loss team has some ugly marks on their schedule, which four are the most deserving? Yes, the season’s a bit of a disappointment, but the same is true of every other two-loss school who was an errant pass or turnover away from a one-loss season. Let’s look at one major positive: PSU is the only school who’s two losses are against AP Top 10 teams.

5) The entire system is flawed. We can’t pick and choose when we want to be a BCS school, nor can we choose our opponents. You go where you go and that’s it. What if PSU had defeated Iowa and Ohio State defeated Purdue? PSU would likely be facing TCU or Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. Would the season be a loss then? No, we’d just be frustrated with the BCS system, only in a different way.

6) Finally, JoePa feels confident in his players, and wants them to play in the biggest stage possible. I support that.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

#6

Biggest stage or best opponent?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I've watched enough of TCU this year to know I really don't want to play them

There’s really not much benefit to beating TCU/Boise/Cincy either. Regardless of how good those teams really are, we’re stuck with having beaten a team that we should have beaten (in public perception).

There’s a lot to lose by losing tho.

Still, we can put that BCS money to good use.

Do I know what rhetorical means?

by NLseattle on Nov 30, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Having NOT watched TCU, I can't really comment

but looking at the schedule, I’m sorry, but it’s hard for me to dig up any respect for them:

Virginia (3-9): 30-14
Texas State (7-4): 56-21
Clemson (8-4): 14-10 (barely won)
Southern Methodist (7-5): 39-14
Air Force (7-5): 20-17 (barely won)
Colorado State (3-9): 44-6
BYU (10-2): 38-7
UNLV (5-7): 41-0
San Diego State (4-8): 55-12
Utah (9-3): 55-28
Wyoming (6-6): 45-10
New Mexico (1-11): 51-10

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I hope you have lots of respect for Texas and Florida and their great schedules!

Cough cough

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me I don't,

and we’re no better SOS wise (though I’d argue our conference is as a whole better), I’m just saying to keep the “they look really good” in context, but I lack respect for Floribama for more than just their schedules, haha.

Honestly there is no deserving team of the NC this year. Everyone has looked bad from what I’ve seen of them.

Florida, Bama , and TX have all almost blown it to “far” inferior talent (each of them almost blew it twice!). Texas’ defense is abysmal, as seen in the A&M game. Florida has Tebow, who has been hyped to death, and has been average at best this year.

TCU and Boise have played ridiculously easy schedules, and are getting credit for being undefeated when they’re, for the most part, untested.

Cinci’s defense is HORRIBLE, and they’ll be lucky if they squeak past Pitt (If you give up 36 points to the Zookers, you have a serious problem on defense…or Good Juice made an extremely rare appearance, like an extinct animal suddenly being captured on video).

Oregon looked horrible against Boise, but has destroyed everyone else except Stanford (and btw, after watching the ND game, I really think Gerhart should win the Heisman, even though ND’s defense sucks).

Ohio State we all know has major issues and should probably be pissing themselves over the thought of playing Oregon in the Rose Bowl after what they did to USC. Iowa’s defense is without a doubt one of the best in the country, but probably wouldn’t even be in the top 25 if their defense didn’t bail them out in games they should have clearly blown out their opponents in (see: Northern Iowa, Arkansas State, scUM, and Sparty). And we all know PSU’s problems already.

And Georgia Tech’s defense is also abysmal. That’s the top 11 teams in the BCS rankings, I’d go further, but it’s pretty much further downhill from there, so like I said, and my point being, no one looks like a championship team this year.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it

What’s with this disrespect towards these non-BCS teams? What’s with this elitist attitude? And this isn’t directed solely at you, Dawson – there are more than enough people who post on this site (and I’m sure other places as well) who are in this belief of keeping college football as a secret society of only the best.

TCU has done what has been asked of them – win the football games presented to them. Their conference schedule is what it is, and all they can do is win those games. And they’re stuck with it because none of the BCS conferences will let them join (or, at least there isn’t any nearby conference that can logically add them mathematically), and the BCS conferences refuse to let MWC become a BCS conference. So what did they do – they traveled twice this season to play two BCS conference teams. Something notable because most BCS teams try to find excuses not to play them, constantly pulling the “It’s a no-win situation for us.” Then how the hell is TCU supposed to be able to prove if they’re good or not if the “good” teams refuse to play them during the season.

I have all the respect in the world for TCU because they’ve won in the face of the elite teams trying to keep them down. If Penn State played them and lost, at least it would be a loss to damn good team, and not running away from a challenge. If an entire football program goes to crap because of one loss to a solid non-BCS team, there was more wrong with the program than realized.

/deep breath
//end rant

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by IcersGuy on Dec 1, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

TCU today sounds exactly what PSU was in 1969, among some other years. Back before words like National Perception and Sexiness became part of the college football vernacular.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't understand voter hype that these teams are getting

Ever since Boise beat Oklahoma by one point in OT in the 2006 Fiesta (OK, btw, was 10-2 that year in the reg season, and as we all know, anyone with a halfway competent defense can beat a N12 team, and a halfway decent offense can score on their defense), we’ve had non-BCS teams being reluctantly voted into top spots in the polls. I say reluctantly not as an insult, but because I think, like myself, the human voters are a little skeptical of how good these teams are because they are playing mediocre competition.

Remember Hawaii from 2007? They were undefeated, playing in the same conference as Boise was, they were held back in the polls all year, and finally scratched the surface of the top ten in the last poll of the year. They made it to the Sugar Bowl and were DESTROYED by Georgia.

I truly don’t mean to disrespect the accomplishment of a team going undefeated, as we all know from last year, it is EXTREMELY difficult no matter where or who you’re playing. But in the past few years there have been fluctuations in how strong these non-BCS teams are like the Hawaii example, or when Boise or TCU would drop a conference game to a bad conference team, so at what point do you say, “Despite your weak schedule, we’re willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re good enough to play for the MNC”? 12-0? That’s what Hawaii was. So was Boise last year before playing TCU (who was 10-2) in the Poinsettia bowl.

Utah got shafted last year, and I have absolutely no hesitations in saying that. They were one of the top teams in the nation, and proved it when they beat Bama, but hindsight is 20/20. Before that bowl game, they played at Michigan and barely won, 25-23, then played OrSU later, and also squeaked out a win, 31-28, but pretty much dominated the rest of their schedule. Now, if I were a voter looking at where to put a team that almost lost to a 3-9 Michigan team, and an 8-4 OrSU, I probably would have been just as skeptical about putting them in the MNC game as the voters were last year.

Honestly, I hope TCU plays the loser of Floribama in the Sugar Bowl and beats them. If that happens, I can assure you, I will be far less skeptical of their being undefeated if they beat a top-5 ranked BCS conference team for the second year in a row, but until then, I can’t stop myself from doubting their legitimacy.

I’m really not trying to be a douchea about these teams, I respect the fact that they’re undefeated, but I can’t judge how good these teams are until they play higher level competition, which they have been very far from doing during the conference season, aside from Oregon for Boise and a mediocre Clemson for TCU. And this isn’t some, “Penn State is totally more deserving than a TCU or Boise is” argument. I’m arguing whether or not TCU or Boise is good enough to be voted in to play in the MNC. I honestly don’t know what the measuring stick is for determining how legit your team is. I guess that really emphasizes the need for a playoff.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hawaii doesn't belong in the same discussion

They were scraping by week after week against a schedule that Sagarin had ranked behind those of at least 30 1-AA teams. Anyone can have one or two close shaves against bad teams; Hawaii had five one-score wins against an absolutely godawful schedule (only one of those close wins was over a respectable team – Boise State – and BSU had lost to Washington). Utah was within one score five times as well, but two of those were against pretty solid teams (OrSt and TCU) and a third was against a decent MWC team (Air Force).

I’m not entirely sure I would have voted any of the unbeaten mids into the top two prior to the bowls in past years (nor would I this year, if Texas or Cincy holds up their end of the bargain this weekend). But the entire idea of having to pick the top two when there is potential for so many more unbeaten teams, and not enough interconnectedness in schedules to make comparisons easy, is absurd and always has been. The times the BCS has produced a truly uncontroversial title game have been mostly by dumb luck.

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Another spot on point

Definitely agree with Mike on this one. Penn State needs a good game against a good opponent. These BCS mid-major games feel more gimmicky than anything else. Although, TCU is not as bad as Boise St. At least TCU has some decent history. Sammy Baugh, a National Title, former SWC member. Ok, I know, that’s a reach, but still.

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by Mike Pettigano on Nov 30, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

PSU is in a no lose situation with either scenario

If we play in the BCS we can point to being in the BCS 3 out of the last 5 seasons. If we play in the Capital One we’ll play against a marquee opponent in LSU. Given what we had to replace from last year’s team, I’m happy with either scenario. Whatever bowl game we’re in, I just hope we beat the crap out of the opponent!

I’d say that this year proved that PSU is back to reloading instead of rebuilding and that’s very encouraging for the future!

by RNF18 on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Best quote ever
ten years from now I will not be rocking a Fiesta Bowl champs T-shirt if they go and beat TCU

TCU Fiesta bowl champs T-shirt a size too small and jorts would be awsome.

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by psu on Nov 30, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

uh...no way

what are you trying to do to my husband?!

by PSUWifey on Nov 30, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the quote was funny because

In 1983 I convinced my mom to let me get a national champs t shirt at the local grocery store. It was a white fiesta bowl champs shirt which I actually lost for about 5 years, and then when I found it I must have grown about 6 inches but I still wore that bad boy with pride in 11-12th grade. So I pictured Mike in the same scenario. That is probably way more than anyone wanted to know, so for that I apologize.

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by psu on Nov 30, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm Bruce Dickinson, baby!

I got a fever, and the only prescription, is more cowbell!

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Nov 30, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Exposure

If we’re going to turn the Big 10 ship around, we’re gonna have to win BCS games. Whether it’s us, Iowa, or Ohio State, those are the games people are going to look at. I’d rather take the bull by the horns and beat Boise ourselves than hopeIowa can, but that’s just me.

That said, Cap One vs. LSU would be a great deal of fun.

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by Adam Bittner on Nov 30, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Again, THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FLAWED.

If PSU was undefeated, they wouldn’t be in the MNC game because of the atrocious strength of schedule. PSU would be facing a two-loss Pac-10 team in the Rose Bowl even though there would be up to five undefeated teams. It would be 1994 again, only worse. Also, there wouldn’t be a second Big Ten at-large representative as Iowa/Ohio State would have three losses.

If PSU had one loss to Ohio State, it would likely be facing TCU or Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl.

The only way it would seem “fair” with a big name opponent is if PSU had one loss to Iowa. PSU goes to the Rose Bowl and Iowa goes to the Fiesta.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed...

Except for “It would be 1994 again, only worse.”

Actually, it would be 1973 again, only without a Penn State Heisman winner.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Very Much so.

Coincidentally, that was the last time PSU faced LSU.

The only knock on the ’73 season is that it may be the weakest strength of schedule in the recent history of PSU prior to this season. Two AP Top 20 wins against #16 NC State and #20 Maryland, all three service academies, 0-11 Iowa, 2-9 Syracuse, and a couple of 5 loss schools like Ohio University, West virignia, and Pitt. Winning the Charlie Weis Trophy for excellence against the service academies is never impressive.

If PSU had defeated Iowa and Ohio $tate this season—dropping them into the 16th-20th range in the AP poll—it would be a mirror image of ’73.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not fair to name that award after Weis. He would have had to beat them consistently to earn that

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 30, 2009 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep, Navy beat them twice...

Notre Dame wouldn’t even win the Commander-In-Chief’s trophy this year.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Nov 30, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He did win the Apple Cup though.

You can’t take his excellent record against Washington and Washington State away from him.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on, now

Jabba and no Leia? Feels not right….

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Leia would be a reward for Weis, so I don't think he deserves it

unless she’s the Hawaii bowl trophy, but then again, he is jetting off into the sunset with over 10 million in buy-out money in his pocket, so I guess that’s his Leia.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough Call

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Btw

am I a bad person for laughing when I saw Emu’s black eye on TV in the Stanford game last Saturday?

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No

You are a proud Pennsylvanian. Perhaps an Eyetalian or a Bad Amish, but no, not a bad person.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What a relief, I was doubting whether my HATE was making me a douchea

And trust me, there’s not a drop of Italian (or Eyetalian as most of my Pittsburgh relatives would pronounce it) in me (my Grandma on my Mom’s side would be pissed if there was, she’s old and racist). I’m probably a couple hundred nucleotides short of being albino, aka Engish, Irish, and I think a little Dutch. My hair is bright blonde, my eyes are blue, my skin is pale, and I burn like a mofo in direct sunlight. I will never grow a beard or a stache because I found out my facial hair is actually red (I think that makes me a Daywalker, b/c I also don’t have any freckles).

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

And I took all that flac this year for being a domer homer, and Dawson’s sittin here all along with the black Irish blood flowing through him?

/joepa shudder

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 2, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Mainly English

But as a black (irish) man, I take offense to your prejudice you racist ass.

btw, isn’t “black irish” a term used to describe Irish people who have dark brown or black hair that differ from the norm in Ireland of light brown, blonde or ginger? I’m a blonde, so I don’t think I qualify.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 2, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that was sloppy juxtaposition

tried to make a play on the opposite of good red blood, but effed it all up.

have never heard of ‘black irish’ as a term to describe people—only beer.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 3, 2009 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Last year's payout

Capital One $4.25 million
Orange Bowl $17 Million

according to this site.

by jebatzel on Nov 30, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

but again

If we go Orange:
4.25 + 17 = 21.25 / 11 = 1.93
If we go CapOne:
4.25 + 17 = 21.25 / 11 = 1.93
If we go PIZZA PIZZA:
4.25 + 17 = 21.25 / 11 = 1.93

BSD

by KevinHD on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case

we should just stay home and not risk getting one of the underclassmen hurt for next year…we play Alabama next year!!! Take the money and run sit!

I say play on the big stage and let someone else beat LSU for the good of the conference.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If your only reason for playing in a bowl were for the money, then yes you might as well just sit home and let the conference brethen earn money that you’d share in.

But I think we can all agree that there are a multitude of reasons that playing in a bowl (and a major one at that) would be better than not doing so.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 30, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

bingo

maybe my sarcasticness wasn’t pronounced enough in my initial statement, but for the record I want the biggest bowl game possible every time.

by jimbo2psu on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

I was just building on your point, not countering it.

I think the important thing to note is that the folks saying “hope we get a BCS bid so we can make more money” aren’t really correct since the monetary gain by playing in the Fiesta/Orange over the Cap One is essentially nothing.

Also, I see people constantly quoting the $17M payout from BCS bowls which only pertains to automatic qualifiers, as opposed to the $4.5M that goes to at large teams (like what PSU or Iowa would be) — which is only a little more than the Cap One pays out anyway.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

I’m just trying to put the money thing to bed.

BSD

by KevinHD on Nov 30, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather a...

BCS game. You get the national stage to yourself for one night. I don’t care who the opponent is.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

I am just happy

Because it appears that almost regardless of the shakeout we will be playing someone we haven’t played in a really long time. I hate conference tie-ins because the match-ups get so stale.

As someone said above, we haven’t played LSU since our bowl after ‘73. We beat GaTech in the ’91 kickoff classic, but Joe’s 1st season was the last time we played them before that. Haven’t played TCU since ‘78. We’ve never played Boise or an actually talented Cincy.

I have no preference either way. I will be satisfied no matter the opponent, and I will cheer my ass off for us to win. Gun-to-head, Id say Im rooting for a BCS game just for the cache. Either way, it should be fun watchin how the rest of the games pan out.

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by Roland86 on Nov 30, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

FYI

As I was cruising down the list of our all time records broken down by team (to see the last time we played each of those guys).

I wanted everyone to know we once beat the Army Ambulance Corps 10-0 in 1917, in Allentown.

And lest we forget, we lost to the Steelton YMCA 6-5 in 1902, at their place. I say we schedule them for an open date in the future….I want my revenge.

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by Roland86 on Nov 30, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

1-1 all time against Buffalo.

Loss in 1900, Win in 2007. I guess that means we haven’t lost to Buffalo in 108 years.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

SHHHH!!!

QUIET CAIRO OR CURLEY WILL SCHEDULE BUFFALO FOR AN UPCOMING SEASON TO PUMP UP THE RECORD!!!

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You will take whatever

bowl you are offered and be happy about it.

There are starving children in Africa who have never been to a bowl who would just be happy to have an opportunity to face off against TCU/BSU/UC/LSU.

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by rahpsu92 on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Don't worry

they at least get to wear 2008/9 Oklahoma BCS championship shirts (and let’s not forget the 2006/7 and 2007/8 OSU BCS championship shirts).

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I shouldn't be laughing at this

but I’m laughing at the shirts, not the starving children. I’m not THAT big of a heartless bastard.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fiesta

I think the fiesta should take TCU with their pick to set up the TCU-Boise matchup. I’d be more interested in watching that than Iowa-Boise.

by speedomike on Nov 30, 2009 2:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

As would I...

but I don’t see it. Too much fear by the bowl organizers that the stadium would be half full and the ratings would stink.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, didn't

TCU beat Bosie last year in the Poinsetta Bowl?

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They did, indeed.

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by Run Up The Score on Nov 30, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't TCU pwn them?

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Against each other.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that's just not true

That Poinsettia Bowl actually got a decent TV share, considering it’s the FREAKIN POINSETTIA BOWL. The 3.7 rating was higher than BCS match-ups like Oregon State-Pitt, Rutgers-NC State, Kansas-Minnesota, and even Iowa-South Carolina. For one of the “fake” early bowls, they pulled a damn good rating.

I’m not saying these teams are ratings monsters, but when given there is a general intrigue to see how good these top non-BCS teams actually are. Give them a major bowl against a top BCS team, and people will watch. (Their fans traveling to see their team play is a different story.)

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by IcersGuy on Nov 30, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he meant why they won't be playing EACH OTHER in a BCS bowl

since the only intrigue they’d bring in the BCS bowl is to see how they match up against another legit BCS team, but if they are matched up against each other…well it might as well just be the Poinsettia bowl, then.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

OrSU-Pitt

What were the ratings for that juggernaut of a bowl game? If they’re higher than one, the rating system is BS, because that game SUCKED. I caught part of it while waiting for my flight to the Rose Bowl last year, it was 3-0 OrSU, I found out later it ended 3-0 OrSU, and that was Pitt with Shady at RB, and Jaquizz Rogers out of the game with an injury.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Very tight game.

TCU won by a single point if I remember, and scored last in the 4th to take the lead. I remember it being a very watchable game that Boise led almost wire-to-wire.

by gumbercules on Nov 30, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

17-16 TCU

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You're just making bowls up now

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by psu on Nov 30, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If ands and buts were.....

Like I said previously, WE ARE going to play LSU in the CAP 1….it’s the most sexy pick….we don’t deserve anything; if so we should have beaten TO$U and IOWAY and I have lived and died for PSU for about as long as JoePa has been here…GO STATE ! BEAT anybody !

by DerryPharmer on Nov 30, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

like I said previously

your certainty is all but certain. I’d put the odds for each bowl game roughly around 45-50% Cap 1, 40-45% Fiesta, and 5-10% Orange. While I certainly think it is more likely we will go to Cap 1, it isn’t by some huge margin (and I definitely wouldn’t buy tickets just yet).

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

well-played

in a fine, self-deprecating sort of way.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Texas ahead of TCU? Bullshit

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And any playoff bracket that's not conference champs only is doomed to have the same fighting that comes with the current system

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"conference champs only"

I still think 11 conference champs and 5 at large (max 2 teams per conference) would work fairly well. That still likely puts most of the top 2 teams from the BCS conferences in unless there were a lot of really good mid major conference teams in a given year, along with a down year for the big conferences.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

and I know this isn't perfect, and I didn't look at everything

such as OrSt probably dropping down after this week, and USC probably being taken instead

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You can also get rid of the slash mark and "PSU" after "Iowa"

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Just curious

are you forcing the Independents to join a conference? Or will there be an extra consideration for them? (i.e. top Indy goes, or the team with the best record vs. the other indies.) This is actually less of a plug for ND and more of a plug for Navy.

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by IcersGuy on Nov 30, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I would love to play Navy every year

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wanna try this one out

You ever notice some writers (who get paid, btw, to watch & write all they can) talk down their noses at the ‘casual fan’ and their knowledge. Let’s try it:

Rambler, can you name 5 players on TCU?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

I forgot the “sarc” tag.

As for your question, um, Jerry Hughes?

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I usually don't brag about my ignorance

but I can’t either. I think I know that Gary Patterson is the coach. But am embarrassed to not know anything else about them. Guarantee I’d enjoy doing my research, tho, if we played them.

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by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

THAT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING!

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by psu on Nov 30, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

lemme break this one out

A proposal for a College football playoff… from 1965.

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The fine print.
Were the NCAA to sanction a tournament this year to determine the No. 1 team in the country, a chart of Nebraska’s progress to the title would look something like this—and nobody would argue about who was No. 1

Source: Sports Illustrated 1965 College Football Preview

by Cairo on Nov 30, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think we would have joined a conference if this had happened in 1965?

We likely would have had far more NCs than we currently do had this system been implemented then (68, 69, 73, etc., etc., etc…).

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by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 1, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, look at that.

The number of teams that don’t deserve a chance makes my head spin.

by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 30, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Playoffs

Ultimately, that’s the problem (if you want to call it that) with playoffs — they don’t really consider the entire body of work in determining the “best” team but really reward having a hot x number of games.

Certainly, it’s ideal to win something “on the field” and that’s why playoffs are so popular and captivating. But there’s something to be said for how much they diminish the regular season (essentially reducing it to a pre-season where the goal is simply to make the playoff itself as the “real season”). I wish there was some method that could keep the value of college football regular season while still awarding a championship based upon on the field results. I’ve tended to favor a “plus one” as a sort of compromise — and workable too as all the currently involved parties might agree to it — but it still has issues.

I don’t like the idea of having 3 or 4 loss teams in the running for a college football championship.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 30, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t LSU have three losses some year and end up in the title game, or am I insane?

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 30, 2009 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they don’t really consider the entire body of work in determining the "best" team but really reward having a hot x number of games.

I really think rewarding conference championships would help fix this. Then perhaps you could add in some at large teams if needed.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Within the current BCS confines..

You could take the 6 conference champs, then the highest ranked non bcs team (with the same rule that they are top14) and the highest ranked BCS team that isn’t a conf. champ.

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by Roland86 on Dec 1, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

No

All conference champs. Even Sun Belt.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Be like LJ?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a joke

You’re really telling me that we can have 9-4 VT but not 12-0 Boise State last year?

Best compromise for an eight-team playoff if you want conference championships to matter would probably be to take the six highest-ranked conference champions (no matter what conference they come from) and the two highest-ranked teams remaining after those picks.

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Again with Deserve?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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