Bowden Will Announce Coaching Plans Tomorrow
I thought this would be more fun.
Update: And here come the sources...
Bowden to retire...According to sources, Bowden was given two options: return to FSU in 2010 as an ambassador to the program, in which he would have little input in the day-to-day operations of the program, or retire after the Seminoles' upcoming bowl game.
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Sad
This whole thing is just sad, regardless of feelings towards Bowden.
I’m just glad it never got this bad for us and I appreciate the 2005 recruiting class even more from saving us from this.
clutch your #2 D-Will jersey a little tighter tonight…
as much as I enjoy some delicious schadenfreude, we all have to remember how close this was to being our fate half a decade ago.
So I guess Weis is officially out now too.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
The ND guys in my office agree
An alumni bulletin was emailed out today and informed everyone that the search for a new coach had begun.
Mmmm. Popcorn.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions
Why exactly did you think this would be fun?
Joe respects Bobby, I respect Joe… therefore vicariously I respect Bobby.
You hate to see anybody go down this ignominiously when they’ve done as much as Bowden has over the years.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
Because "our guy" won
and when the guy you root for wins you’re supposed to be happy. But I’m not, I’m kind of…I don’t know what the word is but it’s not happy.
BSD
meh?
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
It's his fault
He should have scheduled Akron, Syracuse, E. Illinois, and Temple
instead of Miami, BYU, South Florida, and Florida. Jacksonville State was in the right direction though.
And so has
the fundraising for the buyout. If every ND grad chips in like $30K, they could make this year’s payment.
BSD
This from Tomahawk Nation
The decision to be head coach next year is no longer in Bowden’s hands. His “soul searching” line may have some truth to it, but he won’t be deciding whether to come back next year as the head coach. The wheels were set in motion after the USF loss and they really started to burn after the Boston College loss and the circus-like atmosphere on the sideline.
It’s listed as a quote but with no name below it. I have no idea where they are pulling that “information,” but it’s interesting.
BSD
What people don't appreciate about Bobby Bowden
is that he’s so much more than a football coach. He’s a teacher, a philanthropist, a leader of men. He got his undergraduate degree in english from an ivy league school and his name on FSU’s library. He quotes Shakespeare at the drop of a hat and has always put academics in front of athletics.
Oh, oh wait a second. Bobby Bowden is none of those things; he’s just a tool. I got him confused with someone else.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Nov 30, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Not RichRod
Douche-tonio.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
though I grant you
a tool that was a very good at winning football games for a while.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
THIS
I don’t take any joy in his career ending, but any respect I had left for him went down the drain after his “PLEASE GOOD SIRS, PLEASE DON’T TAKE AWAY MY WINS! JUST TALK TO MY FAMILY…” campaign this summer. He didn’t care anything about anything else from the way he appeared, and his family was the same way. They didn’t give two craps about their students, the kids they’re supposed to be mentors too, and inspire to work harder, it was all about solidifying his “legacy”, and nothing else. I just don’t care about Bowden anymore, ever since we all knew that him catching Joe was virtually impossible.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 30, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care
Though it is interesting to see FSU fans lowering themselves with each passing day.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
Reminds me of us during the dark years
Some of us, including myself got a little carried away between 2000-2004.
Perhaps
But I don’t recall any jokes about Paterno dying of a heart attack while golfing.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fine
Change “golfing” to “bocce”
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
also alluding to the man having dimensia
Cause we all know how good the program was before him
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of"
by psu in the w-b on Nov 30, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
What plans can Bowden really announce?
“they fired me” or “they decided to keep me one more year”. Doesn’t really seem like he is planning anything.
I suppose
though hard to do that when you’re already on record as saying you want to come back and coach next year.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I assume
They’re giving him a day to make the ‘you can’t fire me because I quit’ decision. Although for the record I’d love to see him end up at a FCS school, if only for the continued drama.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
He gets to go back to the NFL...
and be a O-coordinator, which is what he is best suited to do.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
Somebody on FOS’s TAP board said it best. Notre Dame is one more bad coaching hire away from joining the Big Ten.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Exactly
And despite all the Delany hate that goes around, he knows what he’s doing with this 12th team business, and he knows that holding out for ND makes us as marketable a brand as you’ll find in College Football.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Money
Well, they already make less money from their TV deal than they would in the Big Ten. And scheduling has become harder resulting in more games against mid-major opponents that has the fanbase annoyed.
There’s also rumors that if Comcast buys NBC, that the ND contract allows for some games to be shifted to cable and some ND home games would end up on Versus.
It'll happen in my lifetime.
By the time I have kids and they are enrolled at PSU, I’ll be able to come to the Beav to see PSU play ND every other year. Time frame = about 25 years.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Who wants to take bets
He ends up in Cleveland coaching his former golden boy Quinn?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Not me.
Chiefs GM Scott Pioli has already been in talks with Weis—and KC hasn’t had an Offensive Coordinator since August.
I heard Buffalo has an opening too....
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Oh crap. Stupid post button
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 30, 2009 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
reports are the pats are interested
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of"
by psu in the w-b on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
something I didn't know
Most shocking, though, was the fact the Irish finished last in the NCAA in total offense just three years after Weis said at his introductory news conference that when it comes to X’s and O’s “we have the greatest advantage.”
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
ND's problem....
and I delight in it, is that they keep hiring bad coaches. Davie sucked as a HC. Willingham sucked at ND and Washington (he can’t recruit). Charlie, most years, had a pretty good offense, but those D’s were terrible. I can’t wait to see what clown ND hires this time.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 30, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
ND like UM are currently
ailing from a bad case of failed self importance. They’ve aimed high for a new coach and end up with choice number 5.
Bob Stoops, no. Urban Meyer, ?.
We’ll see in a few years if we are a member of this unwanted club.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
no we won't
since even if we WANT to hire out of the “family” and don’t get who we wanted, we’ll just promote scrap or LJSR and say it was our plan the whole time.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 2, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
JOEPA WINS! JOEPA WINS!
Suck it Bowden.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
An interesting thing about Weis/ND
According to my stepbrother who is an “insider” at ND, when they hired Weis they put all the money for his contract up, so at any time they could fire him without scrambling for cash. He said this is how they always do it, there are good tax implications for doing it this way and then the money is not the issue if they want to change.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
Non-profits just have to lose money one out of three years
They can defer a metric assload of income until a year when they have an enormous payout (like this) and still claim a loss for the year. There’s a lot of money to be made in being a ‘non-profit’ entity…
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Nov 30, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
When he told me I sort of understood...
Basically people can donate a bunch of money with good tax breaks to the school and if the school holds onto it for a while it can spend it on a payoff for a crappy coach. There were some other nuances but it was a few months ago when he told me about it. The main thing I remembered was that they have the money.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
Me thinks
Stoops to ND
Golden to UVA
Jay Pa to Temple
Bradley/LJSR to UMD
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
Why would either Bradley or LRSR go to Maryland?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
LJ would turn that program around in 2 years with all his contacts in DC metro.
Plus Joe will coach for 10+ years
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
I could see that
LJsr snags all the good players from southern md, his brother is an Athletic Director at one of the high schools, it would be a good fit for him.
Plus we all know that Golden or GS is the next PSU coach
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
Really
I was hoping for Bradley to lead us through a smooth transition to the MNC game.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
I like the guy a lot...but he is single...and some boosters don't like that he is not married w/ kids.
I know…its stupid but heard that more than once.
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
Sue Paterno's cookies closed more than one deal...ask Mr. Ware
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
I too have heard that
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Oh, sure we do
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
TOTALLY ridiculous prediction
LJ Sr. and Scrap are PSU guys and the future DC and HC respectively within three years after JoePa passes Eddie Robinson and retires. Neither would ever take a demotion to be HC at MD.
JayPa leave State College? Total craziness. Too much love for PSU and for his nearby family.
And Golden or Schiano wil not be the next PSU HC. The administration has learned from scUM’s debacle from hiring outside the program (though Golden is less outside) because of the shake-up it would cause.
When we were recruiting Terrell Pryor we always hoped he'd help us take down Ohio State... and he did!
Gradiology -
Scrap will NOT be the next HC…being a HC at UMD is not a demotion from beng a Dline coach or DC.
You really think JayPa will be there forever? You don’t think he will venture outside the program?
Also – Golden is former player/coach and GS was also a DB coach.
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
Dude
You really think JayPa will be there forever? You don’t think he will venture outside the program?
Unless you have something to back this up, the thought of the part-OC and son of the man who built Penn State football leaving is just a bit hard to believe. Especially since Joe is 83 years old.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
being a HC at UMD is not a demotion from beng a Dline coach or DC.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree here. Maryland is never going to be a great program. Besides, it makes no sense for Scrap. His recruting connections are all in WPIAL country.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
UMD would make sense for LJ though.
He owns that area.
Also, Jay may very well leave. If I were him, I would try to become a HC elsewhere (wasn’t there rumors of him to Toledo not long ago?) and try to be the guy that replaces the guy that replaces Joe. But then again, that is just me.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
why would that make sense for him, then?
If he already owns UMD, wouldn’t it make more sense to establish himself at a school in another close area (say Virginia or VaTech, etc), where he’d then get the “closeness” points for recruits there, meanwhile still being able to drain Maryland dry?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 2, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
You remember how Rutgers was for decades right?
HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".
He's still overrated
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't we missing something?
This is sooooo obvious!
- Bowden isn’t ready to retire.
- ND needs a new coach.
Duh! Do the math! Bowden will be the new ND coach! He’s the obvious choice and the timing is just too coincidental! I think they’ve had this deal in the works for weeks!
Now if you’ll excuse me, my crackpipe is calling…
by yopawdre on Nov 30, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bowden says he'll be allowed to return next year "with reduced responsibilities"
… to me it sounds like he’ll no longer be allowed to talk to the guy who talks to the guy who talks to the guy who wears the headset.
Or, read another way: he was fired.
According to sources, Bowden was given two options: return to FSU in 2010 as an ambassador to the program, in which he would have little input in the day-to-day operations of the program, or retire after the Seminoles’ upcoming bowl game.
BSD
He was actually offered a third option, kept more quiet
Crap boy for the horse.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
JoePa wins
I just gave my 8-year-old son a big hug and said “it’s all over”.
“What’s over, dad?”
“The race. The race for most Division 1A coaching wins. It’s over. Joe wins.”
He gave me a big hug back. It’s just nice to know that the record is Joe’s, probably for all-time, and Joe always has done it the right way. Congrats to Joe, even though I know he is feeling pain on some level for his friend Bobby.
You don't think anyone will catch him?
Not even say a Pete Carroll or Jim Tressel?
by Kyle_Martin on Nov 30, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
i don't usually do this ....
because usually when someone corrects me, they are right………however, in this case, i politely reply that you are wrong :) ……..
Technically, yes. In all other aspects, no.
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like "Myers" to me
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Sucks to be on the outside
looking in. When you go over 5,000 posts is about the time most stuff on here makes sense. I’m right about 1,500 so I get a little less than 1/3.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I've got 14000+ here, and 1000+ on BHGP
I am certifiable.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
My comment to reading comments ratio is probably lower than most.
I don’t comment much compared to how long I’m on here which is all day. Like I’m always in the Open Threads while they’re going on if I’m not at the event and home, but my TV is in a place where I can’t see it while on my computer, so I’m usually watching whatever the open thread is about and reading the comments during commercials. But I haven’t missed a comment since I joined! And yeah… I know it’s sad.
by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 1, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody!
I have seen the numbers, and the breakdown here on BSD on how many wins each coach needs, but think about this – are YOU going to work until you are 80? My 401(k) is a train wreck, and I still don’t plan to work until 80! And I’m just a 8-5 desk jockey – not a 24/7/365 football coach! I just don’t see any of these guys choosing to spend their golden years coaching. 12 game seasons will help the younger guys catch up, but realistically, I just don’t see it happening. These guys aren’t going to be old-school lifers like Joe and Bobby. 10 wins is a lot to average over a career, even if you cheat your ever-loving behind off, and even then, Tressel would have to coach until he was 75; Carroll until he is 206* (*not a mathematically determined number). I’m putting my money on the record staying with one Joseph Vincent Paterno.
Tressel (228 wins) needs about 180 more wins to beat JoePa’s “projected” record (i.e. I’m just using Eddie Robinson’s 408 wins as of right now, not JoePa’s current 393 wins). For simplicity sake (and being very generous) we’ll give Tressel 10 wins a year from here on out. That’s 18 more years of being a head coach. Tressel turns 57 in a few days. That would put him at 75 (again, averaging 10 wins a year..possible, but not very likely). This would also assume he’d want to coach for that long.
Pete Carroll is even older (58), but I think you forget how recently he became a college football coach. He has only 96 wins. Pretty much no chance he’ll get the record.
Earvin Myer: only 45, and 95 wins. So let’s say ~310 more wins to go, averaging 10 wins (again, fairly generous, but possible), that’s 31 more years. That would put him at 76.
I think Frank Beamer is currently the active coach with the next highest number of wins
Needless to say, pretty much any coach is going to have to average 10 win seasons until late into their 70s/early 80s to be able to break the record. With health advancements that is achievable, but still, how many coaches do you think will want to do it when they have all the success and $ early enough in their career to be able to retire well before that. People already think JoePa and Bowden were crazy for going this long, but at least they had each other for “support”.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 1, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
i think you're confusing tressel's Div. 1A wins
with his total wins. to my knowledge, don’t his youngstown wins not count?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Two different pots
of Div 1AA wins. Bobby’s count, Tressels not so much.
Tressel has 93 wins or so at OSU and 135 from YSU.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Tressel's 1-AA wins don't count...yet
but in another year or two they will. Someone posted it elsewhere, but I’m lazy and not going to look it up again, but once a coach has 10 years in 1-A, then ALL their coaching wins count, as long as they come against 4 year schools (which is partly why I don’t know why some of Bowden’s wins count. Tennessee Tech Freshman…Memphis NAS…University of Mexico…those are all 4 year schools?)
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 2, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
That's right, I forgot about that
little footnote.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Bacon wins!
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 30, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions
We all just don't get it....
Remember all of the BS last year when Joe coached from the booth and the PSU haters did not want his wins counted for his totals…well that’s going to be “Gosh Dangits” new deal…he gets credited for any or all of F$U’s victories in perpituity, dead or alive.
UMD
UMD announced that old Ralph will be back next year ending all of your fun speculation for LJ Sr or JayPa to get that job.
@collegiatestdms
Is there any chance we can
get Jay a coach in waiting deal with UMD so we can get a real QB coach in here to tutor these QB recuits coming in?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
This is a shame for the record chase...
Florida State is only one behind the record for the most major infractions cases in history.
Do you know if that list was recent and already counted the current cheating thing?
by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 1, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
March 2008 – Florida State had 6 major infractions from the NCAA.
March 2009 – Florida State receives 7th major infraction from the NCAA.
The record for the most major infractions is 8, currently shared by Arizona State and SMU.
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