Is it time to start Newsome?
I say that it is. Obviously, it's nothing against DC17, but, as much as I hate to say it, we have a game at Alabama next year, the second game of the season. It's not like we don't have anything to play for, and I still really would like to go to a New Year's Day bowl-- I just don't want to see Newsome starting his second game in Tuscaloosa.
Thoughts?
Besides... I feel like Clark can (and will) still start the bowl game...
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I'm split
I think they should let him play a half against Indiana assuming they aren’t threatening us. But Clark should probably play MSU.
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by Rogue Nine on Nov 7, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, absolutely not
Give him plenty of playing time against IU, but do not under any circumstances start him against MSU. That’s going to be a tough game as it is.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/ Rambler. That being said, Newsome needs to get more snaps
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by SweepTheLeg on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a serious question?
I’m sorry I’m going to be focusing my anger on you for the next 4-5 sentences, but NO, NO, NO, NO, well maybe….NO. Clark is one of the best QBs PSU has had in the past 15 years. He’s not Morelli. We should have been easing in the new starter during 07 (and we did a little at the bowl). This, however, is not one of those years. Newsome will have another year to develop, plus the competition with his incoming freshman QB competitors, but the time for him to take a starting role is not now. The mere thought of doing that is beyond idiotic. He’ll get junk time, but you don’t, and Joe wont (and I honestly wholeheartedly agree) bench his senior QB who has only lost 4 games as a starter. I’m sick and tired of hearing people bitch an moan when Clark has a bad day. Sure, some of the blame can be placed on him, but we know that’s not entirely the case. And sorry to vent on you Adam, but this is an extremely stupid question and a pointless post.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 7, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In no way am I blaming Clark for today's performance
That’s not at all my intention. The game was lost with field position and play calling and dropped passes. But what else is there to prove? WE know that he’s a great QB, but what does that do for Penn State football as a program? It gets us a QB who will graduate, go into the draft, and give us a second-year quarterback who will take his 60th or so collegiate snap under center AT Alabama.
If we were still playing for the Rose Bowl, of course you go with Clark, but those hopes were dashed today (not Clark’s fault). I think it’s time to start looking to see what we have in Newsome, at least. Maybe not start him, but give him plenty of playing time.
by AdamShell on Nov 7, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you 100% confident we'd win against Indiana and MSU with Newsome starting?
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 7, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Are you 50% confident we’d win against Alabama with Newsome only having significant playing time against Youngstown State?
by AdamShell on Nov 7, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alabama looks like a likely loss
and I don’t think that 2 games of experience will significantly increase those odds. I think starting Newsome would hurt our chances of winning out the rest of the year (especially at MSU) more than it would help our chances against Alabama. So basically, I think we risk quite a bit more than we stand to gain by starting Newsome, especially since we don’t even know if he’ll win the QB battle next year.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you even 15% sure we'd win against Alabama next year
regardless of how much playing time Newsome gets in the next few games?
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 8, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, like I said, I'm sorry to vent on you
I’m in major depression land right now, but there’s no rational point you can give me for why, or how starting Newsome would be better in the next few games when this season isn’t over, and there’s two conference games left to play. We didn’t do it with Morelli until the Alamo bowl, and Clark was only running the ball then, and Clark has turned out to be one of the best QBs in PSU history already. I see no reason Newsome should get significant time this season, when Clark still has a lot of playing left to do. If we were able to groom Clark into a starter between 2007 and 2008 (give or take a Paterno admission of probably should have been playing Clark), I see no reason we can’t make Newsome a half-way competent QB by then. Next year is going to be tough, and honestly, we’ll probably lose in Alabama, but two starts against mediocre Indiana and MSU teams isn’t going to change jack squat in the grand scheme of things
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh.. we still need to play the rest of this season first
That’s priority #1. Clark’s our best QB, and our best shot at winning. We do definitely need to get Newsome some experience but we don’t need to risk losing games for it. Hopefully he’ll get some good time against IU, and maybe if we’re lucky, against MSU too, but no way do we put him in before we have the game in hand, whether that means him being completely inexperienced next year or not.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 7, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can see your point
How much do we sacrifice the future for current “mediocrity” (for lack of a better term – I don’t want to trivialize the accomplishments of this team)? And it’s a fair question, especially since college football is all about turnover.
For me, I continue to be a more “old-school” thinker. It’s not really a broken system we’ve got, just flawed. But most of the flawed parts will be out on the field, gaining the experience with either QB. However, I think it’s best practices to the seniors to make sure we have the best line-up (or in business terms, the best product) on the field for these last games. If I felt there was absolutely nothing left to salvage out of this season, then I could easily see the argument. But we’re still in the running for a decent bowl game, one that’s lower than expectations perhaps, but it’s still something for which to fight.
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by IcersGuy on Nov 7, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and if our first three games were Akron, Syracuse, and Temple (though… Temple of yesteryear), I’d probably be saying the same thing… but it isn’t. Perhaps I should have phrased this post “Is it time to give significant playing time to Newsome?”
by AdamShell on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think with that phrasing
it’s a definite yes. But I’d still like to see the games in hand before we start playing Newsome.
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 8, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
We should probably bench Lee, Odrick, Hull, and probably Bowman too cuz he’ll go pro. They aren’t doing anything for Penn State football’s future. Nevermind the fact they’ve busted their asses for four, and in Lee and Clark’s cases 5 years to put this program where it is. They’re not going to be around next year, and this season is obviously a failure because we aren’t going to a BCS bowl. If they wanted to go out on top, they had their chance, but they blew it, so f*** them.
But Joe is too old to realize it’s an all or nothing world. If you’re not 11-1 you might as well be 3-9. At least the young kids will have experience, so that next year we can go undefeated.
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by fugimaster24 on Nov 8, 2009 12:51 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Oh, you mean those seniors on defense that have been rotating with underclassmen all year
so when we get to next year we don’t have an entirely green player starting in those positions?
I’m not saying, “Thanks Daryll, that will be all” I’m saying it’s now time to start a REAL rotation going… I said the same thing with Morelli after the Illinois game (though I think that was on RUTS’s old blog, not here)
The best example I can give you is of the Penn State Women’s Volleyball team 2 years ago. Fawcett, Hodge, Price, and Walbridge were all awesome starting hitters for the soon-to-be champs. All of a sudden Walbridge just stopped playing as much and Arielle Wilson stepped in. By the end of the year, Wilson had, for all intents and purposes, taken over the role and Walbridge bowed out gracefully.
At least this way you can get Newsome some experience and allow Clark to play his last game in the bowl game and give him the entire game (which Morelli wasn’t given).
Is it perfect? No. Does it preserve the longevity of success of the program? Maybe. I guess in my heart of hearts, I feel that a senior who has helped to bring this program back to repeated prominence might recognize that he’s just one part of the machine. Whether we like it or not, he’s gone next year. Then what? We just put in Quarterback A against Youngstown State and say, “Ok, go play against a top 5 team in the country?”
I love DC17… and I’d watch his fist pumps forever if I could… but I can’t. it’s not a witch-hunt, it’s not even a true benching. It just the progression of things. I honestly don’t know how USC can plug in random quarterbacks and expect great results and multiple Heismans, but I’m not naive enough to think that’s going to happen at Penn State.
by AdamShell on Nov 8, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Disagree
Whatever he does in practice between now and the beginning of next year will determine 95% of the QB he is going to be. I just don’t think game experience, especially with this little time left, is that important to be honest with you. Mills started as a frosh and regressed. MRob was barely even a QB when he took over. Morelli threw a TD on his first pass as the starter, and Clark has been great despite rotting behind Morelli for all that time anyway.
Yeah, OK, we’re going to Alabama for the 2nd game, but I’m just not sure what lessons he’s going to learn vs. IU or MSU that will be applicable to that game.
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by fugimaster24 on Nov 8, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see Adam's point and where he's going
we should have been getting Newsome more snaps all year and we have all been fairly vocal about it toward the end of our non-conf games and games we had a decent lead in. I would have loved to see him get some real work and when he has been in I don’t think he would have given the game away so why not give him some reps. I worry about him stowing the ball away when running and really can’t comment on his passing as I haven’t seen him do it much. Giving him a series or two at the start of the 2nd half wouldn’t have killed anyone IMHO
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
part of it I think was that our OLine needed so much work
that they kept Clark in longer than needed so that they could get the work with him. And then it just sorta got too late (plus our OLine didn’t improve enough)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 8, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this is just some sarcastic post about how college football needs a playoff.
After all there is no way a true fan would want to forfeit a new years day bowl game in order to “prepare for next year.”
by VVeRPennState on Nov 8, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Aren’t you the guy that got SOA to smile? Don’t do this.
by PSUJunny05 on Nov 8, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for "pulling a Rambler"
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sensing PSUJunny might be somewhat against this
by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 8, 2009 1:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What message would this send to any future players?
“better go pro before your senior year, because if we have more than 1 loss during the season you’re getting replaced early”
“yeah, you gave us 3.5 solid years of effort, but now we’re going to go a different direction and start the new flavor of the month”
While I definitely think that Newsome should get more playing time (and wish that he had gotten more playing time from the beginning), Paterno has consistently stated that he only wants to put Newsome in there where he’s in a position to succeed (though I do agree that they should use a little foresight and realize that having his second start ever against Alabama isn’t really putting him in a position to succeed, either). The best we can really hope for is that both Indiana and MSU (and the bowl game) are essentially over at halftime, and that we can put Newsome in for the second half in order to get significant game experience.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love DC
I’m not happy w/ yesterday’s performance, but I don’t think he deserves to be punished.
Personally, I’d like to see Newsome get some significant time against IU and then “introduce” him to the nation during the bowl game the same way we did with DC in the Alamo Bowl.
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by nitwit86 on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Clark is only what, 19-4 as a starter the past two seasons? Not bad at all. He deserves to finish out what’s been a pretty solid career as our starting QB.
Newsome’s going to need time to develop, but it’ll be next year. 2011 will be our next stud season.
by The Mess on Nov 8, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
19-4... uh... ok
McCoy is like 200-2 and Tebow is like 1204-1. Just ask tWWL
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgetting something
I think we may be overlooking something. Everyone is assuming Newsome will start next year. What if Bolden or Jones out competes him in the spring? You go with Clark and get Newsome time as the game allows.
by PSUhomer on Nov 8, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I asked this before, but I don't recall getting an answer
but have either Bolden or Jones indicated they are enrolling in January? I can’t imagine either of them winning the starting QB job (even if they are better) if they’ve only started practicing with the team in the summer/fall
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 8, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah But...
That doesn’t mean they can’t take the job at some point next season. I agree with PSUhomer’s basic premise that Newsome may not be “the man”, but rather all we have behind Clark on the roster right now, and that’s not a good enough reason to start him in my mind.
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by fugimaster24 on Nov 8, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one of them is and I think it may be Jones enrolling in Jan
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by TheMightyErik on Nov 8, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you want to be in the Champs Sports Bowl instead of the Outback
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 8, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It would be a cheaper trip..
and you could be home for New Year’s. At this point, what’s the effing difference?
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 9, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SEC team
I’d much rather play an SEC team than some middling ACC team.
- excludes Georgia Tech. That would be fun.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I consider myself to be a bit of a crappy bowl game connesuer...
Not nearly a high roller enough for the Rose Bowl or the Orange Bowl. But give me cheap airfare and a town full of reasonably priced strip clubs, and I’m in. The one game I really wanted to go to when it was still in the Big Ten fold was the Music City Bowl in Nashville.
What I want to see in a crappy bowl game is somebody that’s happy to be there. I don’t want Georgia in their worst bowl game in 20 years, I’d rather see Kentucky in their best.
I also want food. The food in Florida stinks. The food in Texas, was pretty good by and large. So let’s get in on the Poulon Weed Eater Independence Bowl, and have ourselves a crawfish boil. Rock.
Hell, rematch with Temple in Detroit? I’m in, at least I can drive to that.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt I'd go again
but Tampa Bay on New Years was actually a lot of fun when I went for the Outback bowl with Tennessee . Nice town, good food, hand rolled “Cuban” cigars. Really nice historic section of town with a ton or restaurants, shops and things.
So long as we don’t play Tennessee again and have to hear that Zug-awful Rocky Top song of theirs sung every five seconds just in case someone wasn’t ready to snap and go O.J. Simpson on the next person who sung the song five seconds ago finally decides he’s actually comfortable with the fact that he’ll go to prison for the rest of his life or be executed if it means never having to hear that song again.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 9, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the food?
The strip clubs?
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by jtothep on Nov 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That section of Florida
Does not lack for Strip Clubs.
Beat Indiana, I guess.
by jesse. on Nov 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a wirgen
On that side of the eff ell ay. But I can count Florida. Hoyagoon over at bhgp reckons he’s hit 16 states. I’ve only got 8, but at least that many countries.
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by jtothep on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm bummed I've never been
to mons venus. Have you?
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by jtothep on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Food: awesome
there was a little Cuban restaurant in the historic section that was awesome, the place itself had some history to it, but I can’t remember the name.
Strip clubs: incomplete. Didn’t see any, and I would have felt really awkward going to a strip club with my Dad.
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 9, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I guess your dad also never gave you his old playboys?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
Too Country.
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by jtothep on Nov 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
Yeah, we got spanked but doing that would be saying that PSU is a bunch of punks that are giving up. NO!!!
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by kmblue on Nov 8, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the play says that message clearly enough...
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by psume06 on Nov 8, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I don't think he should start..
I do think they should design some “packages” for him and get him some hits in quality time. He has shown some good running skill.
That said, the coaches may not be happy with his progress thus far and don’t feel he is ready for anything. Who the heck knows?
However, Clark should be the man as the starter. He’s earned it. I hope that we get up enough on the Hoosiers that Newsome can get some quality PT, maybe with the first unit. However, the Hoosiers have played pretty well in several of their games recently.
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by PaJoe on Nov 8, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Indiana
Their offense is decent. Chappell is good and they have some talent at WR and RB. But their defense is lacking. During the Iowa game I never the impression that their defense was truly dominating, just Iowa playing poorly. And then they collapsed in the 4th because they couldn’t cover.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After the game we just played
I’m not sure we should be assuming anything against anybody.
Plus, I’d love to be able to quantify how much better Newsome would be next year with 1 or 2 quarters of game experience the preceding November. I’m guessing somewhere between not at all and not enough to matter. Play Clark until we’re up by 30 and if that doesn’t happen then let Newsome prepare the next 10 months.
by jimbo2psu on Nov 8, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I look at the remaining games
and while everyone has convinced me (it didn’t take much) that Newsome shouldn’t start, I still think he needs to see significant action, if nothing else just to see what Big 10 football is like in real-time. I’d rather him see it now and then be very comfortable against Youngstown State (a slower team, obviously) to get adjusted to working with the offense and get ready for the next week’s game.
by AdamShell on Nov 8, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clark did nothing to lose the job…Newsome can win the starting job next year.
It doesn’t matter which QB plays if the O-line still sucks, so it’s moot to start (or play) Newsome now.
by PawPrintz on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
2010
Let’s concern ourselves with 2010 in 2010.
Newsome, Jones and Bolden will fight it out for the starting job next year. There is a lot of talent there and the team will get better as the season progresses.
2010: 8 maybe 9 wins
2011: 10 maybe 11 wins. possible Big 10 Title
2012: potential National Championship run.
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by Regulator4 on Nov 9, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Something to think about:
Paterno has straight up admitted he made the wrong choice in playing Morelli over Clark. He said he did it because he was the senior and didn’t want to take the position away from him. He’s realized that that attitude is a mistake, and I do not see any reason to believe that the QB we have on the field next year won’t be the best one to put us in a position to win, grade be damned.
Jones is enrolling in January. You can definitely expect a competition for the QB spot next spring. Newsome isn’t owed anything on this team yet, and we need to focus on this year before we go on to next year. There is still a decent chance we end up with a BCS bid due to our strong fan base, and the last thing we need is to get Clark emotional with some crappy non-existent QB controversy. Give Newsome time if the score allows it. Don’t give him this team and this season lacking a solid reason.
by mvrck on Nov 11, 2009 3:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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