Questions on a couple plays

by amandakt on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 PM EST Comment 28 comments

I hate to bring this up, but I had some questions re: the debacle that was yesterdays game. I was (un)fortunate enough to score some tickets, so I missed some explanations that was probably given on TV.

First one, the touchback in the second quarter (I think?)--when Boone punted the ball, it hit the Tosu player and ended up in the end zone. The microphone went out on the ref so I missed the explanation as to why that was touchback and not a safety.

Second, I think it was during the 3rd quarter, maybe the 4th, when Boone was essentially mauled by an Tosu player after punting the ball, but roughing the kicker was never called. Did they ever say why the penalty wasn't called?

I talked to a bunch of Buckeye fans today and they said that they were please about how they were treated here. They said the PSU fans were some of the nicest that they have met and how beautiful the campus is. Some even said how it was nicer than the Tosu campus. I haven't heard a single story about any bad treatments to their fans. And I must say the Tosu fans were respectful after the game. We had a ton around us in the RV lot and they did not rub in the win. The same couldn't be said of my friends who were in Columbus (I ended up turning off my phone), but the ones that showed up to the game were really nice. I received a lot of comments about the PSU hospitality.

The football team might have let us down, but PSU fans did a wonderful job of representing PSU pride.

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I did not see the play you speak of where Boone was hit

As for the touchback, I don’t really understand it. Apparently, it’s because…um…I don’t know.

I think it’s because if the Ohio State guy touches it on, like, a kickoff and then takes a knee.

Nevermind. I’ll read the rulebook when I’m bored.

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by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ehhhh...

Yesterday was not the finest hour of Penn State pride. I’m glad to hear we behaved ourselves this time (maybe because it was a 3:30 kick?), but the student section never completely filled out, and the muffled boos were embarassing.

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by fugimaster24 on Nov 8, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

It's the student section

It just wouldn’t be right if you didn’t hear muffled boos coming from them.

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by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm pretty sure i saw the student section fill up

it was definitely towards the end of the first quarter, but i remember specifically looking out for that.

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by amandakt on Nov 9, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

it was the blocked seats (frats and other groups) who were slow getting in, but it definitely filled up at the end of the first.

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by PSUdevon on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The top 5-6 rows of the

Soph? section weren’t full until after halftime.

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by rahpsu92 on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

On the touchback

my assumption is that the OSU player never gained possession of the ball before entering the end zone. Since it only bounced off of the OSU player’s foot, it becomes a “live ball” but still no possession was gained by OSU until he landed on the ball in the end zone – thus the touchback.

Think of it this way. An offensive player fumbles the ball near the opposing team’s end zone (so the running back is going in for a TD) – the ball is free and loose on the ground at the 2 yard line. A defensive player going to recover the fumble accidentally hits/kicks the ball into the end zone. One of his teammates then recovers the fumble in the end zone. Is this a safety against the defense or a touchback? It’s a touchback, because possession of the football didn’t occur until the defense recovered in the end zone.

As for the roughing the kicker call, I vaguely remember seeing/thinking about that, but I don’t remember anything being called. I chalked it up to “seeing things” at that point, so I can’t recall much else about it.

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by IcersGuy on Nov 9, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Well put, that's a good description of it.

by Screen Name 20 on Nov 9, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Copy pasta. Emphasis mine.

A touchback is ruled by the referee when a kickoff is fielded the end zone but is not returned by the opposing team. A kickoff that goes through the end zone is also a touchback. If a player attempts to field a kickoff outside of the end zone and either muffs it or fumbles it into the end zone, a touchback is called, as long as the team fielding the ball recovers it. If a team fields a kick in the end zone and tries to advance it out but is tackled before doing so, it is still only a touchback. As stated, this is also true of an intercepted pass in the end zone, as long as the player does not cross the goal line and then retreat back into the end zone. On punts, if a punt goes into the end zone or through the end zone out of bounds, it is a touchback. If a member of the kicking team, while attempting to keep a punt out of the end zone, touches any part of the end zone while doing so, the play is called a touchback.

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by chocochuck02 on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Oh sure, if you want to get all technical and crap...

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by IcersGuy on Nov 9, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha. Layman's terms?

Icers first paragraph is exactly correct. Live ball, but not possessed ball. Possession gained in end zone = touchback.

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by chocochuck02 on Nov 9, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

slight caveat

the ball was dead as soon as it crossed the goal line. Any time a ball touches the goal line on a kickoff or punt (presuming possession had not yet been obtained) it is automatically a touchback.

So next time this happens and a Penn State player falls on the ball in the end zone and the ref calls a touchback, join me in screaming bloody murder, and then remember this rule and stop!

Consequently, when a Penn State player muffs a kickoff and a Michigan player falls on it in the end zone and the referee calls it a Michigan touchdown, join me in screaming bloody murder, and then remember this rule and become insufferable for the next ten years trying to explain that play to anyone who will listen.

by AdamShell on Nov 9, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I'm not exactly sure that is true

I think if normally it just goes into the endzone, it is a touchback, but since it had first been touched by a returning player, it then became a live ball, at which point we could recover it for a touchdown.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 9, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh, any my rationale for this is they specifically say "on punts"

where it isn’t a live ball until the returning players touch it, while kickoffs are live balls the entire time.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Correction:

“at which point we ~~could~~ should have recovered it for a touchdown”

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by NJ lion on Nov 9, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Untrue

Definitely not dead. It’s live as shit, homey. We fall on it, it’s our TD = not dead. (but not undead)

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by jtothep on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what if JoePa were to recover it

and take a little nibble from the ball while on the ground?

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by The JuggerNitt on Nov 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I still dont get it....

That implies that if a punt is rolling around at the 2 yard line about to die, the receiving team could just kick it into the endzone and recover it there for a touchback, which just doesnt seem right

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by JoePaPa on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if you want to risk the other team being able to recover it for a TD...

though yeah, don’t see what would be so bad about kicking it out of bounds in the endzone, but there’s probably a penalty for that

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 9, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure there’s a penalty for deliberately kicking/hitting a loose ball out of bounds. So they’d have to take the risk of hitting the ball, without making it look overly deliberate, and then make sure they recover in the endzone. Could they do it? Sure, but the risks involved are way too high at that point.

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by IcersGuy on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not if they devote 95% of practice to it.

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by PSUisMyHeart on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A team trying to take advantage of a loophole in the rule book?

Sounds like a job for Bret Bielema!

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by IcersGuy on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Thanks!!!

Our entire section was confused about that touchback b/c the refs mic decided not to work at that point and because of the idiot know-it-all behind us.

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by amandakt on Nov 9, 2009 7:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

wow

did everyone have an idiot know-it-all behind them? because i definitely did. i wonder how many of them post here, the one behind me wouldnt be able to find the power button on a computer, but he did think highly of beachum, although he called him a weird nickname “#3 Ughhh.. uhh, McCoy, yeah hes a solid running back”

by PSUgavemeAnAlcoholproblem on Nov 9, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wish I had a know-it-all...

instead I had the dumbest girl in the world who in a 1,000,000,000,000:1 also had the most annoying voice in the world. Oh, yeah – she never shut up. I don’t think she even stopped to take a breath – somebody explain how she pulled that off.

“I like PSU, but then I like Hines Ward, too, but then that’s becasue my last name is Ward, hahahahahaha”.

Guy sitting beside her “Can you say that in your most annoying voice”. Hmmm – sounds exactly the same.

3 hours of her voice with this game nearly put me over the edge.

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by rahpsu92 on Nov 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We had one of those once years ago

I mighta been 12, brothers 11 & 9, and we still cite her to this day. Woman behind us said, a million freakin times, ‘there he is, get him.’

Wouldn’t it be cool if the positive things in our life had a fraction of the impact / memory that these negative ones had?

by jtothep on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

see my comments in Mike’s “good bye casual fan” post.

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by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone around us was great.

I think it was the lack of oxygen to our brains, we were 4 rows from the top in the endzone. I was worried about getting hit by the jets that flew over before the game.

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by oldalumni on Nov 9, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs