There Can Be Only One
by BSD on Dec 1, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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So this is how it ends. "Legendary" coach Bobby Bowden will bow out of the race for the all-time win record kicking and screaming. Though he says he's leaving on "his terms", we all know the truth. The athletic director took him out to lunch yesterday and told him he can either retire or he can let Jimbo call the shots from now on. Faced with the decision, Bowden decided to save what little dignity he had left.
Our friend Dennis Dodd weighs in on Bowden this morning. But he doesn't talk about building a program from nothing, or 14 straight ACC titles, or two national championships. Instead, he decides to use this opportunity to take a shot at Joe Paterno. I won't link to the article. He doesn't deserve the traffic. You know how to Google.
Could it be you're not celebrating, Joe, because Monday was a painful look into your future? You give them everything -- heart, soul, championships -- and then your bosses ask you to lunch. You leave the office the head of a football dynasty. You come back and it's all done but the press release.
You're winning again, Joe, so the cries for your hide have died down. But this could be you -- soon. Penn State's staff has done a better job of holding it together lately than Florida State's.
Florida State has a coach in waiting. Penn State has a coach entrenched. But it could turn quickly, Joe. You know that. Your friend Bobby already publicly stated he was going to be back in 2010. Then Florida dropped another whipping on the Seminoles and everybody was reminded how far the program had fallen.
I don't know why Dodd has a problem with Joe. Maybe he was a young beat reporter that Paterno pwned in one of his press conferences ten years ago. What's the matter, Dennis? Did Joe rebuke you one time for asking him why he was starting Rashard Casey? Did he tell you you didn't know what you were talking about? Your hatred for Joe Paterno is obvious, but it is quickly getting tiresome.
Yay for Florida State. They have a coach in waiting! Huzzah!
So what? For years people have said Joe Paterno should appoint a successor, and they pointed at Bobby Bowden and Florida State as the shining example of how to do it. Well, what did it get Florida State? They haven't been to a BCS game since they went to the Orange Bowl in 2005 with a 7-4 record. They have been completely irrelevant on the national scene for nearly the past decade. They've lost six games three out of the last four years. They endured an academic scandal that will cost them their wins from nearly two seasons. Their dirty laundry has been aired out in the national media for the better part of two years. Congrats on having that coach in waiting, but now he has to start with a program in shambles.
If that is the shining example of how to transition from an old coach to a new coach, no thanks. You can have it. Other examples like Purdue and Wisconsin don't exactly offer compelling arguments either. I'm quite happy with Penn State's current situation. Maybe Joe Paterno isn't as hands on as he used to be, but he's winning ten games per year and collecting Big Ten Championships. Even when he's not winning it all, he's still competing for them into November. I'll take that over 6-6 and a trip to the Meineke Car Care Bowl any day.
Dodd suggests one day the Penn State president and athletic director will make another trip to Joe Paterno's house and ask him to step down. Maybe they will, and I can already tell you Joe's response will go something like this.
They came to my house, Curley and Spanier, back in 2004 and asked me to step down. I told them I would turn it around, and we won two out of the next four Big Ten Championships and were one or two plays away from competing for a couple National Championships. Those guys aren't around anymore, but I'm still here. So go ahead and tell me I can't coach football anymore. Ten years from now after winning a few more Big Ten Championships I'll probably have two new guys sitting here in my living room telling me 9-3 isn't good enough.
I hope Joe coaches until he's 100. Unfortunately, this mean Dennis Dodd will have plenty to write about to keep his job for the next 15 years. Maybe he and Joe can share a retirement cake together.
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Dennis Dodd’s front porch tonight; say around 9:30ish (after the kiddies are asleep, so you can view).
Materials: lets just loosley call it an average size brown paper back, a match and … ya knowwwww…“mystery contents” I retrieved from a field just north of the Beav.
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
…paper bag might just work better…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 1, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
True!
…perhaps we has a back-porch too!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 1, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
We?
You live with Dennis Dodd? I’m so sorry. I’d think you’d know if you two had a back porch though.
seriously, Dawson!
cough, cough…“he…”
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 1, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
So...
…wouldn’t that paperback copy be similar to the mystery contents?
Dodd's column was rambling mush.
I’m not the “[insert media figure here] hates us!” type, but Dodd sure does seem to have a vendetta against Paterno. It’s very strange, especially with respect to this column because it’s abundantly apparent that he’s trying waaaaay too hard. And it’s clear that Dodd really doesn’t know all that much about the guy he’s always trying so hard to disparage. Joe does drink. Old Granddad. And puppy blood.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 1, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions
Seriously
I don’t get the point of the article. Paterno and Penn State are winning games and championships and recruiting the lights out and the alumni couldn’t be happier right now. Why take a shot like this unless you completely oblivious to the reality of the situation.
Is there any coach in America other than Urban Meyer with more job security than Joe Paterno? When his contract was about to run out a few years ago he said he didn’t need a contract. Curley and Spanier just said, “Yep. He’s right.” The man can literally coach as long as he wants.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
It will be interesting to see where he puts him in his preseason 2010 Hot Seat Ratings.
For reference, he had JoePa’s preseason hot seat rating higher than Mark Mangino.
Yeah because a legend with 3 years left and coming off a conference title is on the hot seat.
what and epic epic douchea
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Puzzling
What I don’t get is this FSU debacle, and it is a debacle, has nothing to do with Paterno. Talk about burying the lead, this is a story about the Florida State administration essentially renegging on their promise to Bowden, the man who built that program from scratch and made it a national power in the 90’s, by not letting him coach next year. 2010 was supposed to be Bobby’s year, not Jimbo’s. I’m not the biggest Bowden fan, but I feel bad for him because he did get cheated out of a year, and he has won enough to earn that final season on his terms.
Meh, but it was mandatory
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
Does this mean Bowden is Kurgan?
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
I dunno
But Sean Connery would do well as Rip Engle
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Why haven't I seen any Bowden family media comments yet?
I would hope that the FSU AD at least got a drunken phone call at midnight with Terry screaming, “you can’t fire my daddy”
On second thought, they are probably all calling Father whatever at Notre Dame
by cpm126 on Dec 1, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Eh..
I can’t believe I just wasted time reading Dodds article, what was that?
by RudyWasOffsides on Dec 1, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions
Dennis Dodd is an Asshat
This is garbage, thanks for calling him out on this stuff Mike…
I say we organize our wob (web mob) and head over to his site and give him a good ole’ fashion BSD roasting…ala “I tried them and they sucked…”
Who is with me?!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
Is it worth giving him page hits?
Not that he’s going to get fired, but I’d say just e-mail carpet bomb him.
The thing that I love about this
“Second most winningest head coach”
Second. It stings Bobby to even hear this, and it BURNS his family up. It’s something his family doesn’t even acknowledge, they’re certainly counting those wins from the 60’s from Bowden’s D-III coaching days.
I hate for this to end the way it did, but the good guys won, and in the end that’s all that history will remember.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Dodd
Is an SEC homer. He is no journalist. That article was disrespectful and the type of ESPNesque journalism that is really starting to p*ss me off. If it weren’t for the Internets Dodd would be waiting tables at Ruby Tuesday.
"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."
On another note
I am not 100% convinced that Bowden is going to retire. He still hasn’t set a press conference. I really think he is trying to work out a deal where he is the head coach, but basically does nothing. Supposedly, he met with the University again this morning. I doubt they were discussing his 401K.
On @edsbs twitter last night
There was a comment about this thing not being 100% done yet.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 1, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Tomahawk Nation has always had good sources.
He says it’s a done deal after a players’ meeting at 2:15 today.
Also some interesting note about how they might push FSU up the bowl order.
BSD
Yikes... 657 comments on that story
I didn’t look through them, but I’m guessing Rambler may have had something to do with it.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Nope!
Those people are nuts.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
which people
the FSU posters, or the collection of Ramblers?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 1, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Can they?
FSU is 6-6 overall. The next highest bowl eligible team in the ACC is 8-4. I thought you could jump a team with one win more than you, but not two.
some comment about conf recorc
FSU is 4-4, other teams all have three losses. I think it’s unusually but bowls are about $ and this is a free story. Therefore, I suspect, in a fitting tribute to Bowden, they will allow an “exception.”
BSD
Like it said- 'If the ACC agrees to it'
I’m guessing they’d have to have at least 10 AD’s on board to make that happen. I don’t know what anybody’s sentiments toward Bobby are among that group, but I’m guessing they’d be willing to take the added publicity in exchange for a marginally lower bowl payout.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
it was weird...
i’m with cpm, SI.com isn’t reporting the same as espn, saying he still has choices. Plus ESPN used TMZ as a source for the Tiger Woods situation.
by RudyWasOffsides on Dec 1, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I pity Bowden...but
What has been done to Bobby Bowden is a shame because it embarrassed the man, but much of that was his own doing. Two years ago when everyone was calling for Joe Paterno to step down, my attitude was that he should keep his coaching job for as long as he wants because the University owes it to him after all he’s done. Not just in football, but in academics, fundraising and helping young men to get an education, mature and contribute successfully to society (Larry Johnson Jr. aside, I suppose).
Bobby has contributed to football success, but at the cost of academic scandal and poor graduation rates. There’s no library on campus in his name. Aside from the age of the two coaches, Bobby and Joepa are in two completely different situations.
That's exactly where the difference lies:
Joe has contributed to the university, and it, in turn has contributed to society.
Bowden’s many criminoles (in jail, or working as bag boys at grocery stores) are drains on their university and society.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Isn't Tony Hunt working as a bag boy in Alexandria now?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Someone posted that on here weeks ago
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2009/9/23/1051168/jordan-norwood-to-e-a-g-l-e-s#21672488
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
What's his degree in?
I’d guess I’d probably hire him.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Plowing through SEC D-lines.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can you call David Cross retarded?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just watched Year One saturday night
He was about the funniest part of it.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
David Cross is absolutely hilarious
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
hrmm
will that be the next photoshop thread?
by RudyWasOffsides on Dec 1, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mike already did
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
My ability to reply to a thread is limited by my firewall...
But on the note of how crazy the ’Noles fans are… Remember a few months ago when they had a protest blackout and they were talking of bringing guns and knives into the stadium down there?
Yeah they are nuts.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
And
You play the 69th toughest schedule in the country while FSU plays the #1…
Penn State’s program is definitely a better place, but don’t act like a lot of that improvement isn’t due to a concerted effort to schedule nothing but cupcakes and play in the Big 10
Sorry, that came off as harsh.
Not looking to start something.
I do have a question: is Penn State a BCS team this year or will it be Iowa?
That's an excellent question
If you can sift the answer out of this, kindly let the rest of us know what you figure out.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
...and how'd that work out for ya' again?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Horribly!
I have been advocating for a more reasonable schedule for years now. We play at Oklahoma and at Miami next year!
Yeah, but can you really count a conference game?
It was pretty much the consensus around here that our OOC schedule was a giant steaming pile before the season even started, and our current computer ranking bears that out. Still, we’ve managed to keep our head above water and will be in the mix for an at-large BCS berth… I only hope we can say the same at this time next year.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Schedule
I have been advocating for a more reasonable schedule for years now. We play at Oklahoma and at Miami next year!
And we play at Ohio State. Aren’t conference games not particularly relevent to this point?
That said, yes, you have to give credit to FSU for playing a competitive non-conference schedule most every year. And it certainly hasn’t helped Bowden in the race for more wins. Then again, playing in the ACC has helped Bowden in that race.
Doesn't FSU have decent basketball teams too?
We’ve got one program to fund the whole athletic dept. so the schedule, while piss poor, is unfortunately necessary.
with all do respect
bullshit.
Do you really want to compare teh Big Ten and ACC right now? And FSU dropping real teams so they can play TWO FCS schools in one season? The schedules are 95% the same.
BSD
One finger forward, four fingers back.
As long as we’re discussing strength of schedule, should we look at the caliber of ACC football in the 1990s and compare it to the Big Ten?
WRONG
FSU plays the 5th hardest schedule, Miss State has the hardest
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/120/index2
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Dec 1, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
according to CBS maybe
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/statistics/fei-ratings/2009 more advanced set…
Even your link shows FSU at #4 SOS
and also has them ranked as #21 in the country…hardly accurate
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Dec 1, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Fine, let's compare apples to apples
2005-2007 Penn State Strength of Schedule: 26th, 25th, 51st. SOS Average: 34th
2005-2007 Florida St. Strength of Schedule: 16th, 21st, 50th. SOS Average: 32nd
2005-2007 PSU record: 30-9
2005-2007 FSU record: 22-17
STOP IT STOP BEIGN REASONABLE
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Typos be cursed!
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
How did you get 32nd out of those numbers ?
Just curious.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Penn State’s program is definitely a better place, but don’t act like a lot of that improvement isn’t due to a concerted effort to schedule nothing but cupcakes and play in the Big 10
This coming from the team that joined the ACC instead of the SEC? Give me a break, pal.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Pal
I prefer your use of friendo.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I like the term "Guy" myself
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Beatrix Kiddo?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Such an awesome movie
“Those of you lucky enough to still have your lives, take them with you! But leave the limbs you have lost. They belong to me now!”
I'm not your friend, pal.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 1, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
More tarantino
Butch Coolidge: What’re you looking at, friend?
Vincent Vega: I ain’t your friend, palooka.
Butch Coolidge: What did you say?
Vincent Vega: I think you heard me just fine, punchy.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Dec 1, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for the Pulp Fiction reference
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
I always thought Vincent called Butch 'Plucko'...
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
I'm not your guy, comrade!
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't have the captive bolt pistol handy at the moment
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Schedule smack, nice. Second verse same as the first.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Don't even
Before you go accusing PSU of ducking competition, know what you’re talking about. The Syracuse game was scheduled way back when the Orange were coming off a 10 win season. That was supposed to be a good game. Nobody saw the train wreck named Greg Robinson coming down the tracks.
And like another commenter said, We play Alabama next year. Nobody is ducking competition.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 1, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite was the line about the Big Ten
The Big Ten was the best conference available when we joined.
FSU? There was a quote from an article on here wherein it was stated that the SEC was getting FSU and Arkansas. But Bobby knew that with the talent he was getting he could dominate the ACC (they were absolutely dreadful in the 80s) and not have to worry about travelling to Knoxville, Tuscaloosa, or Auburn on a regular basis.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
There is no joy in any of this
and anyone who is celebrating is off his rocker. I’m betting Joe finds no satisfaction at all in the way it ended for Bobby. If anything, we should be watching and learning. By all accounts, Bobby was beginning to lose some of his mental acuity, which will happen to all of us sooner or later, and at some point it will happen to Joe. The question is: can Penn State avoid such an ignominious ending for its legend? Will Sue say the things to Joe that Ann wouldn’t say to Bobby?
i actually have a lot of faith in Sue
partly because Joe robbed the craddle a bit when he married her, so she’ll probably still be capable of rational thought long after Joe loses his marbles a bit.
Agree totally.
Just ask Florida fans how they feel today after yipping about the UT players a couple weeks ago. What comes around usually goes around. I quit running my mouth to people down here about PSU and their “grand experiment” about 3 years ago. 5 minutes after you cast a stone you find out you live in a glass house.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Whoa--profundity from Watters!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
A twist
In the days of primitive tribes and grass huts, there was one tribe which was very warlike. They won many battles, and took control of many other tribes. One of their customs when they beat another tribe was to take the most prized posession of the enemy’s chief.
One time, after a particularly fierce battle they defeated a rich tribe, whose king had a prized solid gold throne. The warlike tribe took the throne, and put it in the loft in their cheif’s house. Unfortunately, the throne was much too heavy to be kept in a loft in a grass house, and it fell right through the ceiling, onto the cheif, killing him instantly.
The Moral of this story is…… People who live in Grass Houses shouldn’t stow thrones!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I like this. Well done guy/friendo/pal/champ/kiddo
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Dec 1, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Amazing that you......
could spell profundity and then mis-spell chief two out of 3 times. lol. jk.
Were you the one that said a few weeks ago you were going to Girard, Pa. for the weekend or was that Millzners ?
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
Colin Cowherd
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
Holy poo (rhymes with moo)
That’s what I get for copy/pasting. Damn interwebs douching up my spelling creds.
Nah, not me, brother. I got no peeps in the eight one four. Cept JoePa of course. Why, was MC Hammer preaching there?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I still can't look at that leg
JuggerNitt’s reply still get a laugh out of me 2 months later though!
Rambler blamed me for the first one, so… why not?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
This is disgusting
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure it looks worse than it is.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Oh, that's a great defense!
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
there is no way that is real, that’s an SEC defense. You wouldn’t be able to catch them on a still photo like this. They move so fast down there, the picture should be blurry
by RudyWasOffsides on Dec 1, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yay!
Friendo making a welcoming return.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I'm welcome here
Why, that’s great. I appreciate that, friendo.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Dennis Dodd is a Doucheabag
…Hands down… most of the time.
HATEHATEHATEHATEHATE
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
Thoughts on Bowden
It’s tough. I take no enjoyment in seeing Bobby get the boot, but the way he and particularly his family have taken to handling it all has been childish.
An all-time wins record is an awesome accomplishment, but there’s no shame in being #2 and being placed in the College Football Hall of Fame. While his methods may have been borderline unethical, he did turn around a program and made it a consistent powerhouse and household name.
I think people may not clearly remember that
Between somewhere around the turn of the century and the end of WWII FSU was an all-female school.
They didn’t pick football back up until almost 1950. So yeah, he kind of made that program quite literally. At least Joe had his mentor Rip Engle here before him. Joe made us into a super power, but the “cupboards weren’t bare” as Joe himself says. I think FSU fans should be more appreciative of the fact that they are nothing without BB.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Ok Dodd...
In an effort to assist Coach Bowden’s exit, F$U will petition the bowls to allow him to jump over teams with better records as he “coaches” his last game…he already did the PSU thing in 2005/2006…then they are talking about playing his former haunt WestByGodVa….I say NOOOOOO!!!! He should be allowed to play Samford in 7-man touch for a real NOSTALGIC event…by the way, SuePa sent the cookies…he’s done Dodd, like your wimp comments about JoePa….aside from “the Record”, that’s where any comparison of the 2 stop. WE ARE !!! You’re Not !!!! And truthfully, God bless you Bobby and good health to you forever.for you are a good man and that’s all than anyone can ask for.
FSUncensored
Is the FS nation at all excited about Jimbo? I think you would be much better off with Bowden or a national search.
Hopefully all will turn out well. CFB is better with a good villain.
"I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! I invented the piano key necktie, I invented it!" - Mugatu
So glad no coach in waiting was hired
While I love Tom Bradley’s D, I really hope LJ is the next head coach. Is Brown leaving after Texas crushes Florida?
If LJ Sr isn't the next head coach at PSU...
We need to make him an offer he can’t refuse, to keep him on the staff. He’s too good of a recruiter and defensive line coach to just let him walk away.
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
Damn straight
This is awful to say, but you get the minority hire too.
Italians are minorities too
Just ask JoePa. Italians were Jews before the Jews
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 1, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
But not the Irish
They’re less than a minority. Joe hates the Irish.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Joe thinks their animals what?
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Need washing
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Need washed
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
I thought
Irish people had red hair and McQueary has red hair and he only yells at him sometimes :-)
@collegiatestdms
you think it is a coincidence
that the person Joe chooses as his personal whipping boy happens to be Irish?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 1, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Who were the Jews before the Jews?
Hittites?
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
the black people?
were they in the Bible?
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 1, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think so
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah
Jesus was black. How silly of me to forget.
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 1, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Totally
That’s why Farrakhan and Rev. Wright read the Bible.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Check this out
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/11/23/1170020/florida-state-smashes-encouraging
Honestly, he has improved a ton of stuff but at the same time there are major problems that kept increasing over which he had no control.
If I wasn't in law school I would be finishing a book on this
but the shit that has gone on for the last 9 years here has been ridiculous. There will be some award winning studies on org theory based on this decade at FSU. We’ve been dealing with a staff 4 or 5 coaches who are literally either delusional, unqualified, or intentionally sabotaging the program. To recruit as we’ve done the past two years is really a product of 4 coaches. The coaches who have already been fired can’t even get a job at any other D1 school.
Are you studying to become a defense attorney?
Lot of football players out there will need your services
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 1, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
No time to finish a book? Wait until you enter practice. Law school seems like a beach vacation.
<— “Big Law” in the Illadelph.
Illadelph
Coolest hip hop slang for a city evah.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
oh yeah, well we've got this guy
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
WTF?
is everyone that posts on blogs a lawyer? Or is the reason FSUncensored posts over on here because he wants to be with his fellow lawyers?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 1, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's official
F$U’s bowl game will be Bowden’s last game.
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
Look at all the finengling to get them in a bowl game in Florida
Tim Curley should be doing this for the BCS
Does this mean when Joe retires
We’ll finally get one of those OMG SEC teams to come to Pennsylvania for a bowl game?
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Dec 1, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Highly doubtful
No one can expose the true secret the SEC success. The Bama game in 2011 needs to be moved to November.
from Dodd's bio:
Later, Grandpa worked for the railroad shuttling fans from St. Louis to South Bend on Notre Dame football Saturdays.
He has worked for CBSSports.com since February 1998 and saw his first game in South Bend later that year. Somewhere, Grandpa was watching.
Yeah, you’re Grandfather’s watching Dennis. He just turned in his grave.
Dodd spell backwards is still Ddod...
…coincidense? or akin to the internets , pwned and my favorite…teh suck!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 1, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Fanpost
This should be a fanpost but goes with the thread. Go and vote as some ass clowns are saying Bowden has had a bigger impact on FSU than JoePa at PSU.
Actually it's impact on the program, not the universities
I assume they’re saying that FSU’s football program was nothing before Bobby while PSU’s football program was already great before Joe.
Do I know what rhetorical means?
I wouldn't say PSU was "great" before Joe
But it certainly was much more than FSU was.
Really, I’m just here to argue semantics.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
That's Racist
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"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Grr.
“Coach Bowden has done everything you could do. Nobody but Joe [Paterno] could ever come close to it. When we came into existence here, Florida State was everything in college football. They kind of gave us the example of what you shoot for over the long term. He’s been great for college football.”
— Southern California coach Pete Carroll
Only Joe could ever come close? Try again, Pete. Bobby climbed the ladder closer to Joe, but he still was many rungs down.
Are you kidding me?
The difference between Bobby Bowden’s situation and Paterno’s is some ridiculously good luck in Joe Paterno’s favor. Joepa (..his assistants?) were able to right the ship after 4 LOSING SEASONS IN 5 YEARS. Joe could have very easily been put out to pasture after 2004.
The only way the turnaround shines a positive light on JoePa is the fact that he very obviously relinquished some power with regards to playcalling, strategy, etc. So he did what Bobby Bowden could have done next year.
I agree whatshisface shouldn’t have attacked Joepa necessarily, but the writing on the wall is there: you can retire after a winning season or be forced out after a debacle. Judging by Joe’s stubbornness, I’m guessing it will be very similar situation to Bobby Bowden’s. To deny this is to have not been paying attention to the past 10 years of PSU football.
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