What this bowl game means to the records...

by millzners on Dec 10, 2009 11:41 AM EST Comment 63 comments

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One of the lesser hyped things about last year's Rose Bowl was that Penn State are currently battling for best Bowl Game winning % in history. Last year we came in PSU #1 and USC #2, and we left conceding that title.

With a win this year, we can pass USC even if they win:

USC 31 16 .6595
PSU 26 13 .6585

A win would bring us to .675 and likewise USC to .667

Another stat: Currently Alabama and Penn State are tied with 811 all time wins. This may or may not reflect the 2009 SEC championship. We are also 3rd all time with 14 11+ win seasons and 'Bama is 4th with 13.

A bowl win would give Joe his 394th win. That means 6 more wins until his 400th. A win in the Citris bowl could set the stage for next year's Michigan game to possibly be Joe's 400th win (assume we lose to 'Bama and Iowa). Since he broke Bryants record against Ohio State this would only be fair.

Finally we are currently 16-16 against SEC opponents, and a win against LSU would give Penn State an impossible winning record against the SEC.

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also Pitt is losing 3 NC’s they never earned in the first place, according to the only site that claimed they had a right to them in the first place.

Link

CBFDataWarehouse was the only independent site that Pitt fans had to prove they earned those titles, and w/out that site backuping their delusions, they’re SOL.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Forgot about Auburn’s apparently historic 2004 run. Getting three titles removed? Sucks to be them. Although I don’t know how you can claim a title in the BCS era when you didn’t play for the title. Are Cincy, Boise, and TCU going to claim titles this year?

And that list looks a lot different if you look at post-facemask football (I generally use this in arguments as the time when real, modern football began, but feel free to disagree with me).

Also, millzners, your post has some screwy formatting going on…

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Recall that the Coaches voted Auburn #1 despite them not playing in the BCS Champ...

That’s why they no longer matter.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Dec 10, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That was USC

Auburn got bubkus.

I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.

by jesse. on Dec 10, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Was it? I thought Auburn got the vote...?

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

jesse. is right

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/year/2004

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jesse is correct

although i believe i was the Auburn situation that caused Joe to no longer be involved in the coaches poll.

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by Roland86 on Dec 10, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would say "modern football" began when this guy showed up:

But I like the “modern facemask” idea because we’ve been a better program than Michigan since that time.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

post facemask

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's almost exactly why I use that method

The future wifey is UM alum, so every time I get into with her friends, especially after having too many smoothies, I use this method and it generally works. I still haven’t found a retort for the “winningest program” argument.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"Oh yeah? How 'Winningest' are you now?"

That’s what I would go with. Of course, I argue like a 6 year old.

by skarocksoi on Dec 10, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's what it ends up being.

Again, especially after a few, 3-9 and 5-7 are pulled out and blank faces stare right back until, inevitably, the JOEPA IS OLD AND HAS POOS IN HIS PANTSES comes out.

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know why there's a red X.

I typed two exclamation points, followed by a one, followed by another exclamation point, and the red X of death came up.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see any red X's or post that has exclamation points

but on this site, the format of exclamation point image url exclamation point will then insert that picture into the post, so what happened there was that it was looking for an image at the web address “one” which doesn’t exist, and so there you get a red X for image not found.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Please, tell me more

about the methods you use when “getting into it” with your wife’s friends after too many smoothies. I’m all ears.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 10, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Tricks of the trade, friendo.

Or, the more common scenario, it’s me getting liquored up because I know less people in the social event, and eventually I start a conversation with some Ann Arbor junkie (sometimes literally) and it eventually turns to my team is better than your team. Although the times when the verbal combatant is also pretty hammed up is the best, cause then we just buy each other shots and rip on OSU and MSU.

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe you should check more than one site

NCAA record book lists 1910, 1915, 1916, 1918, 1929, 1931, 1936, 1937, and 1976.

Pages 78-80

I don’t know why we claim ’34 since we lost to Minnesota at home while the Gophers went undefeated.

by SlingStone on Dec 10, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Minnesota won in

’34, ’35, and ’36.

@collegiatestdms

by JGuiher on Dec 10, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Pitt and Minnesota didn't play in '35 or '36

The Gophers ran the table in ’35, they deserve that title.

They were both 1-loss teams in ‘36, but Pitt had a debatably harder schedule and won the Rose bowl. It’s a shared title.

by SlingStone on Dec 10, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe you should heed your own advice

1. NCAA Record book only follows the NC’s picked by Parke H. Davis for those years in discussion… He was the only one who selected Pitt as national champions in 1929 and 1931, while an overhwelming number of other selectors chose otherwise. Literally Pitt has one source for their claim to these titles, while ND and USC have many. The official NCAA.org site does not share your opinion of those years (page 79).

2. Any claim to a title prior to the Coaches poll in 1936 is a simple matter of concensus among the major selectors. The only reason you are even in the discussion is because of the work of Parke H. Davis. Out of all the major selectors used for those NC’s, he was the only one in 1929 and in 1931 that picked PItt, while all the rest picked the real national champions. In fact, NCAA record book aside, you have around 4 sources combined that you can use to claim those 2 NC’s, while the other teams (you know, the ones that actually deserve the NC) have over 50.

3. Even if you blindly want to believe the NCAA Record book, do you really think you deserve the 1929 title?

1929 Pitt lost 47-14 in the Rose Bowl to the defending National Champions USC while Notre Dame went undefeated, and yet you claim that season as a National Championship? Seriously? Based on the overwhelming number of selectors you guys were out voted 27-1. Sorry.

1931 you lost the vote 27-3, and one of those three people includes the CFBDW site. USC gets to claim that one.

You can go to any of these websites to verify that you have no claim to those titles:

http://www.collegefootballrankings.net/champions.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_National_Football_Championship

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2009/2009FBS.pdf (page 79)

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 10, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I see what you mean

I think our disagreement is less about history and records and more about “a title” versus “The title.” I think any team-sport with out a tournament should be leery of declaring champions and that’s why the NCAA lets other organizations do it. The AP and any other organization can declare any team they see fit to be the National Champions at the end of the season. If someone declares your 1994 season or Utah of 2008 or Auburn of 2004 championship teams, I think that’s fine and the universities should be allowed to put up placards or whatever they want.

That said, I agree Parke Davis is definitely the sketchiest of all organizations/polls/formulas because it’s a retroactive title based on a single “football historian.”

I’ll trade you 1929 and 1931 for 1910 and 1915.

by SlingStone on Dec 10, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

deal, but I get to be listed as a major selector. That just sounds good.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 10, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see any flaws in this logic.

“if someone declares…championship teams, I think that’s fine and the universities should be allowed to put up placards or whatever they want”

We tried that in 1995 with the New York Times Computer poll, and it sucked.

Also, I now declare Penn State to have won the National Championship in every season for which it has competed in the game of college football.

At least the State College sign businesses will see a boon in these tough economic times.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 11, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

1937? what was the football made out of back then?

Bleeding blue and white and black and gold.

by raimman on Dec 11, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Italians, fresh off the boat

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 11, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

great post here. the web sites you have linked are awesome, I could spend hours there…. scratch getting any work done off the list!

by RudyWasOffsides on Dec 10, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately, we may never see win 400

Wins #200 and #300 both came against Bowling Green. Bowling Green is not on the schedule next year, so, at best, we’re going 3-9.

I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.

by jesse. on Dec 10, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

SKY IS FALLING!

I was at the 324 OSU game…maybe I’ll have to get some tickets for 400, whether it’s in 2010 or not.

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's really going to suck if 400 ends up being an away game

I don’t think it will be, but it would suck if it is.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 10, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ehhh

I kinda doubt Joe will let people make a big deal out of it anyway.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't mind it.

ROAD TRIP. Unless it’s at OSU. I haven’t looked at the schedule lately, who are the likely games that the game would be played against?

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well, depends on who we lose to

if we beat LSU, Alabama, and Iowa (and win the rest), then it would come against Illinois at home

If we lose one game between now and then, then it would be Minnesota away

If we lose 2 games, then it would be Michigan at home

If we lose all 3 of those games, then it would be Northwestern at home.

Of course if we somehow manage to lose all 3 of those PLUS one of the other fodder on our schedule (Youngstown State, Kent State, Temple, then Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Northwestern), it would be @ OSU, if we lose 2 games in addition to those 3, then it would be Indiana “away” (at FedEx field, though).

So I’d say there’s a decent chance it will be at home, though if it IS away I won’t miss it, as I plan on going to that Minnesota game (need to check them and Indiana off of my Big 10 tour)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE!

At Minnesota, or at home, are the likely culprits. I think I can deal with that…

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

awesome reference, Junny!

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What was all that one in a million talk?

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I can deal as well

I cant wait for the PSU @ MN game!!! I’m definitely going to be there!! I knew there was a reason I moved back here to put up with this snow and freezing cold bu!!$&#^. 4 degrees as a high, at 10 pm?!? Whats wrong with us?

by bconway6 on Dec 10, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming a win in bowl game, and losses against Bama and Iowa:

Akron State or whatever: 395
at Alabama: 395
Kent State: 396
Temple: 397
at Iowa: 397
Illinois: 398
at Minnesota: 399
Michigan: 400

Assuming win in bowl game, win against Alabama:

Jnitt beat me to it.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming a Win v LSU

May not work out for you…..

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 10, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

For Penn State, a bowl win assumption

is like Sex Panther cologne. 60% of the time, it works…every time.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 10, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Watch this, SouthernMan...TANGENT

I’m not going to lie, it smells like pure gasoline.

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the Warning

But I just gotta….

(old joke alert) I know the records don’t compare since JoPa has been coaching for over 100 years but…

Les Miles Bowl Winning percentage: .714 (@ LSU it’s 100%)

So, assuming a win MIGHT not work out for you this time! (I’m just saying)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 10, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My coach is old?

Well your old people talk funny. Just watch Double Jeopardy and tell me you didn’t want to hit Jonathan Deveraux in the face. I DARE YOU!

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Heck Les aint even from

Louisiana, have you heard him talk???

Still .714 > .681

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 10, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

50,996,116 > 50,456,169, but we all know how that turned out.

See you on the field, SouthernMan!

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This makes absolutely no sense in any context

But I rec’d it anyway.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or does it make SO much sense in EVERY context.

SouthernMan was implying that since Miles’ winning pct. was better than JoePa’s, he would win. I pointed out that having the higher percentage and actual results are not always directly correlated. Serv’d.

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by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, it still doesn't make sense to me

Unless a higher body (Say…God?) chooses to make Paterno winner of the Capital One Bowl due to rules put in place by the framers of the US Constitution, then maybe it will make sense to me.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I was saying that you guys shouldn’t ASSUME a bowl win, to wit someone replied that JoPa has an excellent Bowl History so a Bowl victory COULD be assumed….To wit, I, your humble SouthernMan, pointed out that our very own coach too has an excellent bowl history albeit not as EXTENSIVE (i.e. old joke).

Assume if you want to but you know what that causes, just not of me because I warned you.

Oh, and 50,456,169 minus 50,456,169 equals global warming via the internet.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 10, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well technically he wasn't assuming a win over LSU

just pointing out the results if we assumed a win over LSU.

I assume Rambler was going to then go through the other permutations of wins/losses to LSU/Bama/Iowa, but I beat him to the punch, and he quit.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh, and by "quit"

I mean he stopped writing. That didn’t stop him from posting, though. (How else do you think he gets to nearly 18,000 comments?)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 11, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It was taking a while for it to go from “posting” to “posted” so I was able to edit it.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 11, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

DELETE FAIL!

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by PSUJunny05 on Dec 10, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Smells like a diaper filled with Indian food!

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 10, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I always get confused about our all-time record

Are we at 811 or 810? I believe PSU declined a forfeit by OU back in the day but CFDW still counts it as a W in their total. I think Bama is actually 1 ahead of PSU because of the OU situation.

by LionsandBear on Dec 10, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

They have it listed as a loss in their records

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/penn_state/yearly_results.php?year=1972

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, so we are tied

Thanks! That makes our week 2 matchup in Tuscaloosa even more interesting because it could be a head to head matchup for 6th place all-time!

by LionsandBear on Dec 10, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A few things of note!

Your calculating does not include our two ties, if we win we’ll be 27-13-2, which is
.666666666666666666666666666666666666 repeating

A USC victory puts USC at 32 – 16, which is .666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 repeating

Boston College is 13-7, a win, puts them at 14-7, which is .666666666666666666666666666666666 repeating.

Boston College and USC play eachother, so if we win, we can only be tied for first!

by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 10, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

huh

yeah forgot about the ties in my calculations…

Hrrm… That’s pretty crazy though…

Anyway, I hope they both lose!! I hope a snow storm opens up and swallows the whole stadium and it’s declared a tie!!

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 10, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course, not the meteor though, I don't hate BC that much

I’d so much rather share this with Boston College than USC, but I don’t see BC pulling it out.

by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 10, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ok, few questions here

First and foremost, this is all very interesting:

CFBDW has us at 26-13-2, 41 games, .65854 % How did they get that %? If you throw the ties out we’re 26/39 = .666666 If you count the ties as games we’re 26/41 = .63415, if you somehow add two ties to make a win we’re 27/41 .65854

Did CFBDW make a mistake, or do ties count as half a win and half a loss? My guess is that’s how they did it, so we technically have 27 wins and 14 losses for calculations sake, so this coming win/loss will take us to .66666 or .64286 respectively.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 10, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs