Point Of Parliamentary Procedure!
by Run Up The Score on Dec 10, 2009 2:09 PM EST
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Just wondering. What do you think about this Heisman thing, anyway?
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I voted for Zug.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
by NittanyTide on Dec 10, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He already has
along with Gerhart, McCoy, Ingram and Tearbow
by LegalLion on Dec 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SUH
I mean he actually plays both sides of the ball. Fullback vs Texas and DE. Nebraska would have won if all the other Nebraska players would have just gotten out of his way.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
by psu on Dec 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gerhart
Spiller
Kellen Moore
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
by PSUdevon on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Does Toby Gerhart have a dying brother?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 10, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
FTW
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toby Gerhart ate his brother
… in the end there can only be one.
by g1184 on Dec 10, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for reference.
There have been Highlander ads all over my facebook page, and my old roommate and I frequently remind each other that “the next time i see you will be the last.” Ooooohhhh, Duncan.
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-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Dec 10, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Banks!
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gerheart
just to throw a big up yours to the college football establishment that thinks ESPN can run the show.
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by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's a farce that Spiller didn't even get invited.
by AdamShell on Dec 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not as big as MROB in 05 but pretty big
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by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to invite tebow
And not spiller is almost as much of a joke as when a retired mike schmidt was an nl all star.
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by PSUdevon on Dec 10, 2009 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Which was almost as much of a joke
as when that new owner of the Cleveland Indians invited a bunch of furniture movers and a dead guy to spring training in an effort to relocate the team to Miami….
by jimbo2psu on Dec 10, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of people in South and Southeast cover college football...
… and I’m sure fewer than 5 of them with votes have seen more than 30 seconds of a Stanford game.
If Gerhart had put those numbers up in the OMGSEC, we’d have crowned him king and sacrificed our first-born to him already.
by elefantstn on Dec 10, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gerhart
I really really like white running backs. Not for any race reason, I just like very rare things.
Alas, I wholly am expecting Mark Ingram to win, even though Gerhart had better numbers in what was a more competitive league this year top to bottom.
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by Roland86 on Dec 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All of these things are true.
Frankly, I won’t complain if Gerhart, Ingram or Suh win…
Although I will bitch and moan about how Odrick playing in a league with better O-linemen and had stats nearly equal to Suh’s, if it should come to that.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Dec 10, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
theis stats werent that similar
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by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Suh had exactly
twice as many tackles and sacks as Odrick. 82 tackles and 12 sacks for Suh, 41 and 6 for Odrick. Odrick was an All-American despite having half the measurable stats, telling me Suh is deserves every trophy they can think of or invent.
by jimbo2psu on Dec 10, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or that the Big 12 is one big jelly donut
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by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the ACC is much better?
Suh was being double teamed and even triple teamed this year. And he still came up with ridiculous stats. He deserves some credit.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not taking it away, I am only offering a plausible counterpoint.
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by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can it really be that bad?
I’m honestly asking, because I’m one of those guys that watched exactly one BigXII game this year, and came away thinking Suh was a mixture of Dick Butkus, Superman and Jesus.
by jimbo2psu on Dec 10, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
to be honest with you the Big Twelve north might be one of the worst divisions in BCS conferences this year.
But I was being more of a smart ass.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, gotcha.
I’m changing some bowl pick’em games based on this assessment.
by jimbo2psu on Dec 10, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a Reggie Roby fan for that reason.
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by Run Up The Score on Dec 10, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good
He has absolutely no business whatsoever being invited to New York or even being considered for the Heisman. Frankly, I don’t really see what the big deal is with Tebow. Okay, he won a national title, that’s cool and seriously good for him and Florida, that is an incredible accomplishment. However, he DID NOT win two titles. Chris Leak won the first one against O$U and Tebow was just a role-player on that team. The year he won the Heisman, Florida only won nine games (the same amount as PSU that year) and then lost to a slow, big and dumb Big Ten team in the Capitol One Bowl. So spare me national and mainstream media, Tim Tebow is NOT the greatest college athlete of all time, nor is he the greatest person that has ever walked the earth (or on water for that matter). He is good, possibly great, but he isn’t everything everyone makes him out to be and he should not even be a consideration for the Heisman.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 11, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woah
He wasn’t the starting QB on the 2006 national title team but he wasn’t some scrub as a freshman either. He is easily in the conversation for best college football player of all-time though, I don’t know how you can deny him that. He is not “good, possibly great”. He’s great, possibly the best. And you’re right, he shouldn’t be in Heisman consideration this year, and CJ Spiller should’ve gone to NYC over him IMO but that’s not to take away from the guy’s legitimate accomplishments.
by jimbo2psu on Dec 11, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a little fired up I guess. I just hate the way that the MSM portrays him, I know that isn’t his fault, but still). I’d even throw Leinart up there with him, if not even better
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 11, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Thorpe changed football
Tim Tebow did not change football
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 11, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Such as?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 11, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he had a town named after him in PA for no other reason than to draw up tourism, so there’s that, haha.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were talking about Tebow
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 11, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, haha, I was talking about Thorpe, however if there is ever a Tebow, FL, I would not be surprised
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 11, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He invented the
jump pass. His signature move.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Dec 11, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gerhart
or Suh or Ingram. Any of them could win, and I would not be upset. Three deserving players.
by STU Boy on Dec 10, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just said the same three before i got all the way down here to your comment.
+1 for talent at picking talent.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Dec 10, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who votes for Tebow should be banned
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
someone will do it just so we can sit around and wonder who
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That person better think twice
Should we ever find out who he/she is, there will be severe repercussions.
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 10, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this Soviet Russia?
What is up with the voter intimidation? I am voting for Tebow.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
by psupride on Dec 10, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you my friend are a butthole!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch this and tell me you wouldn't vote for him....
by psupride on Dec 10, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Link fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sGv2Zw-WQw&feature=related
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
by psupride on Dec 10, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BS
If he was a tough guy he would commit seppuku whenever he loses.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was last year
This is this year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWKCfzW64RE&feature=related
by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This year's SECCG was more like this:
And yes, that is the first GIF I’ve ever created and yes, it does suck
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha it's good enough
I need to learn how to make gifs
by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 10, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who'd you vote for last November?
Wilkes Booth?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No I think he was in the Oswald camp.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the proof
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Suh
Pretty amazing how that game on Saturday brought him from not even being the discussion to a very strong possibility.
by speedomike on Dec 10, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thats what I have been saying all week...
and it dropped CJ Spiller out despite the fact he had 233 yards and 4 tds the same night on national tv in the ACC championship game. CRAP!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Spiller has had a great season, and had a great final game. Which is apparently the deciding factor in the Heisman race (and that bothers me to no end)…
Suh had a solid season and a solid showing against Texas. Is it good enough to top Spiller? I personally don’t think so, but I think both deserve to be there over Tebow.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Dec 10, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not voting for Spiller to win either
I simply think the guy needs to be there at the ceremony. I think just being invited is a great honor, that is why I was jacked in 05 when it was a USC Texas lovefest, and MRob the next best player in the nation was left at home, why? Well he has no real chance of winning. Thats BS. This year is BS. The hoover dam Heisman trophy is BS!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 10, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toby Gerhart
He just didn’t quit in the Notre Dame game.
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Dec 10, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who in the hell voted for Tebow? wtf?!?
oh, and I still think that the award should be renamed the Ron Powlus trophy as he won like 6 of them (cheap shot at Jtot) :)
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Dec 10, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Suh me.
And if the Heisman was really about the best player in college football Golden Tate would be in the discussion too.
by CvilleLion on Dec 10, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the some good proof that most of the "ND mystique" has worn off is
The fact that neither Clausen or Tate were invited to NY. Used to be ND players didn’t even have to be on a good team to get the award, unlike most others.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
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by Roland86 on Dec 10, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i just went eenie meenie miny moe
b/c zug wasn’t an option
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
by amandakt on Dec 10, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Curse all of you who voted for Tebow, may Zug not have mercy on your souls
In fact, his vengeance shall be slow, and agonizing.
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 10, 2009 8:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is like the opposite
of SEC media day. I think OBC is the guilty party. To make up for his pre -season indiscretions, he came onto BSD and voted for Tebow 13×.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want the names of everyone and anyone who voted for Tebow
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Any Gator fans..
with BSD subscriptions? There might be a few lurkers.
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by Mikeno on Dec 10, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
In the name of Zug, I demand the guilty come forth to receive their thrashing, and so that we can publicly berate them, and suggest Mike ban them.
Rambler, if they don’t come forward, we’re going to have to do this the hard way and go through everyone’s post history to find out who they voted for. You and I are safe so far, you voted for Suh, and I voted for Gerhart. We WILL find you, whoever you are. It’s just a matter of time…
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 11, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did some of that a while ago
everyone in this post is safe, except for psupride who already admitted it.
by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 11, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably a bunch of people who don't comment/pass through
and maybe some sports world related people such as A-Ritt
by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 11, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah psupride is the only guilty party I found
One down nine to go.
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 11, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And let the record show
I only voted for Tebow b/c you stated that there were 120 votes so far and none for Tebwo and were hoping no one did. If we can’t be BCS happy, nobody can be happy.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
by psupride on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Update: one down 14 to go
Seriously, who are you people?
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 11, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not I...
I checked Toby
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 11, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Suh
Wouldn’t quibble with Spiller either (if the Heisman voters weren’t such idiots that they didn’t even INVITE him). Gerhart’s a close third, but I’d put those other two in front. I’d probably put McCoy next (he’s been pretty spectacular when not running for his life). And anyone voting Tebow needs their voting privileges revoked.
by SpartanDan on Dec 10, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
..
Ingram
Suh
Gerhart
Spiller (just so shtoopid that he wasn’t invited)
Could have picked anyone of those guys out of a hat and been right this season. I voted for Suh; he was the Nebraska defense, and it is probably the closest I’ll ever get to kicking the system in the nuts.
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by Mikeno on Dec 10, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to Suh or Gerhart even Ingram win it but "deserve" isnt in the equation
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 10, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Deserve is certainly in the equation
the post is titled “who should win”
by jimbo2psu on Dec 11, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for us yes but maybe not sport writers
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 11, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What did we learn from this poll?
Penn State fans love bruising white guys who can run the ball, and big nasty defensive linemen.
So what did we learn? Nothing we didn’t already know.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Dec 11, 2009 1:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's not that Gerhart's white, it's that he's incredibly awesome
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 11, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^ This
Look at the stats, Gerhart 1736 yds and 26 tds (144.6 YPG); Next best RB is Ingram 1542 yds, 15 TD (3 Rec) (117.0 YPG).
Gerharts four biggest games: USC 178 Yards 3 TD; Notre Dame 205 Yards, 3 TD; Oregon 223 Yards 3 TDS; California 136 Yards 4 TDS.
If Gerhart Played for USC and had those stats against essentially the same opponents (particularly ND, Oregon, Cal) they wouldnt even invite anyone else to the ceremony. He is the most underrated player in college football, not cause hes a white RB, cause he plays at Stanford.
by swiggy04 on Dec 11, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
particularly ND, Oregon, Cal
I think people would be either very impressed, or very put off, if he played for USC and had 178 yards and 3 TD against USC.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 11, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
put it this way
If he played for Ohio State, and had those stats, this wouldn’t even be a debate.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still want to see a RB for USC
rush for 178 yards and 3 TD against them. What would that be? Like -178 yards, and 3 fumbles lost in the endzone recovered for TDs?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 11, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in my defense
I believe i wrote “essentially the same opponents” for that reason.
Allow myself to rephrase… myself: If Gerhart played for USC and had those numbers against essantially the same schedule, including Oregon, ND and Cal, but not including, for obvious (or not so obvious) reasons USC, he would be the only one invited…
Kidding aside, I still think I made a valid point.
Aaaaand my mom says I’m cool.
by swiggy04 on Dec 11, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe, your point was valid
and if you had just left it at “essentially the same opponents” it would have been fine, but then you went all redundant and pointed out the “particular” opponents, which left USC as the only “essential” but not “particular” opponent on that list. I swooped in for the easy kill, and the rest, as they say, is history.
But honestly, I’d still love to watch a USC RB rush for -178 yards and fumble away 3 TDs
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 11, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
There’s undoubtedly some future NFL Hall of Famer playing lower-division football right now. I have no idea who, but the odds are excellent that such a person exists. And he’s probably putting up great numbers doing it, if he’s an offensive skill position player. That guy is the most underrated player in college football.
I voted for Gerhart, and think he deserves the Heisman, but let’s not get carried away. There are plenty of freshmen and people at schools more obscure than Stanford that are extremely talented but don’t get anything like the attention Toby’s getting — even if he’s getting nothing like what Ingram, Tebow, and McCoy are getting.
by drothgery on Dec 11, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand...
….there are freshmen leading the nation in rushing that deserve to be in the Heisman conversation?
by hbeach08 on Dec 11, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
Will any PSU guys get any votes? I was thinking DC and Odrick might get a few.
Also, when are the rest of the AA teams released? I only say the football coaches one that had Odrick on the first team. Do we even have any other candidates? Maybe Bowman on the second team?
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by Roland86 on Dec 11, 2009 1:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
SUH
was the most outstanding player in CFB. (Not that that has anything to do with it.) A parting gift to Tebow?
by JIMPSU on Dec 11, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe this Group is as influenced by the media as the poll suggests....
Suh…..really? He’s good but not Heisman worthy. He wasn’t even in the discussion till Herbie started bringing his name up post the Texas game. Personally…..I think McCoy….even with the bad game against Nebraska he has been getting the job done for years at Texas (and yes I know the Heisman is not a career achievement award, but don’t think that doesn’t come into consideration by the voters). He basically put the horns on his back during the A&M game. IF not McCoy……Ingram. He might not have the numbers that Gerhart does….BUT…….like it or not he plays in a conference where they do play defense. I think the national spotlight of the SEC championship where he basically ripped apart a stout Florida defense may get him the nod. That and the fact that Bama has never had a Heisman winner.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
C'mon McCoy?
Colt’s claim to fame is the uniform he wears and what he has done in the years previous to this one: if this were his first year starting no one would even know his name. He has not done anything remarkable this season except not lose (despite his best efforts). He’s only in the consideration simply b/c of the three finalists last year, he’s the only one to not have won.
He’s in an offense thats absolutely loaded with top-tier 5-star talent and he still looks mediocre against a half-decent defense (of which they’ve faced very few). His numbers are more a product of the system and the insane talent he has around him. You could put Juice Williams in that offense and he’d look Heisman-worthy.
The Nebraska game was his make or break moment, and that lazy lofting pass out of bounds was the last nail in the coffin. It was pure dumb luck he didn’t lose the game, b/c w/out that horse collar and the subsequent lucky break on when the ball landed, he’d be a running joke.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to write a “you’re accusing us of being sucked in by media hype yet you’re picking McCoy” post, but Millzner’s already got the crux of my argument, and more eloquently than I was going to put it.
I will say that the reason you didn’t hear Suh’s name before Texas was because of his position. People don’t believe linemen are going to win the heisman (because they don’t) so they’re not even in the conversation. The fact that we’re even discussing it should give you an idea of what this guy accomplished. Suh was amazing before Saturday…he just needed a bigger audience.
by Aphilfan on Dec 11, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Both McCoy and Suh were given the same big stage with which to expose themselves (heh heh) as Heisman front-runners. One of them absolutely dominated every play he was on the field for, while the other one choked and gagged his way up to the final second.
McCoy needed a horse collar penalty, a game clock review from the booth, and an oustanding field goal kicker just to win that game. Heisman winners are supposed to be the guys who put the whole team on their back and carry them to victory, not the guys who need every lucky break imaginable just to get the chance to hand the ball to someone else to win the game.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Dec 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Conferences where they don't play defense
Has this ever been a problem for USC players and Heisman consideration before?
Honestly, I don’t even think the SEC defenses are that good apart from Florida and Bama, and Ingram only had to play against one of those two. They just have some seriously inept offenses down there this year.
by elefantstn on Dec 11, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speak for yourself
I had him second or third (behind Gerhart and maybe McCoy) going into that game. It’s not because Suh had one amazing game (that may be why the media’s paying attention to him), but because he did the work of an entire defensive line by himself over the course of the whole season. (Seriously. Check out this comparison.)
by SpartanDan on Dec 12, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ingram's not even the best player on his own TEAM.
Terrence Cody, Rolando McClain, Julio Jones. Those three might be better. Ingram is good, no doubt, but he’s getting the benefit of being the starting RB on a great team. Based on that, Ingram should not win the Heisman.
Now on to Colt McCoy.
McCoy vs. Texas Tech: 24/34, 203, 1 TD, 2 INT.
McCoy vs. Oklahoma: 21/39, 127, 1 TD, 1 INT.
McCoy vs. Oklahoma St: 16/21, 171, 1 TD, 0 INT.
McCoy vs. Nebraska: 20/36, 184, 0 TD, 3 INT.
If it wasn’t for Jordan Shipley, what would McCoy have done this season?
My top three would be Suh, Gerhart and Spiller, with Suh getting my vote. I want Suh to win, if for nothing else than to see a defensive lineman win the award.
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
by dmoney350z on Dec 11, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stolen from Dr. Saturday's comments...
Dr. Saturday: Suh, uncertainty reign over the most dramatic Heisman vote in ages
From Comment #5:
5. Posted by John S. Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:39 pm EST Report Abuse
Matt,
Suh’s stats went beyond merely “good.” The guys at the Cornhusker blog “Double Extra Point” copied the following comparison from a Husker message board. Suh’s stat’s were transcendent.
Alabama D-Line
98 Tkl, 23.5 TFL, 9.5 Sk, 20 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk
Florida D-Line
112 Tkl, 33 TFL, 14 Sk, 48 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 0 Blk
Texas D-Line
116 Tkl, 25.5 TFL, 15.5 Sk, 10 QBH, 7 PBU, 0 Int, 2 FF, 0 Blk
Ndamukong Suh
82 Tkl, 23 TFL, 12 Sk, 24 QBH, 10 PBU, 1 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk
http://www.doubleextrapoint.com/2009-articles/december/ndamukong-suh-crewed.html
I think those stats speak for themselves. Suh should win the Heisman.
"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."
by dmoney350z on Dec 11, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You just sold me
I had voted for Gerhart, and he’s still pretty impressive, but, I wanna switch to Suh.
by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 11, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's redonkulous
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Dec 11, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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