but its not. Are catholics raised to love ND regardless? i myself am a Methodist and know not of this intrinsic love for ND. thanks for not flaming me too heartily

It could change, but looks really plausible.

You can’t be head coach at 2 places at once, how would he expect his kids to listen to him? If he was given me shit, I’d tell him to shove off and take it to ND.

that he has already basically packed up and left. half the players were saying basically, “if he doesn’t want to be here then he can get the hell out…hope the door hits him on the a**…etc.”

it was never explicitly stated, but this is pretty indicative of what will eventually be confirmed.

AND he could have cared less about our 2004 CapOne Bowl v Iowa (who we should have beat like a drum) since he was already in Miami mentally.

Being able to coach doesn’t give you integrity.

I don’t bash Saban because I have a lot of respect for him as a coach and I didn’t really have too big of an issue when he left BR, I didn’t like the way he handled it but I lost some respect for him the way he repeated it (to a worse degree) leaving Miami then he took credit for Les Miles success at LSU, which really ticked me off.

Anyway, he’s not even close to Miles in that department, IMHO.

That would be John L Smith slapping himself silly after losing to (i think it was) Ohio State.

Close second? Dennis Green. “THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.”

Followed by Herm Edwards, “YOU PLAY…. TO WIN… THE GAME.”

as a Tiger fan!!

This late in the game, and with Fat Charlie probably taking a lackluster effort on this year’s recruiting as he saw the writing on the wall, it seems tough to pull off a good class, even if you have TD Jesus. That’s why I think next year is going to be a brutal wake up call for Kelly.

Part of ND’s problem is that the entire map of college football has changed in the last 20 or so years.

For one, the entire country’s population has grown a ton, and much of that growth is in Southern and Western states… so there are more good football players at relatively equal levels of talent available to everyone.

You combine that with the scholarship limits… no one can stockpile all the talent anymore, and with many schools that were ‘second tier’ before the limits upgrading their facilities, you don’t necessarily have to go to ND anymore to get national exposure.

It also hurts ND a lot to be an independent and not a part of a conference. If the BCS doesn’t melt down, there’s a much greater chance of getting in a good bowl if you are a member of a conference with a good W record in a given year for your team. Like us – Iowa didn’t get an automatic BCS bid but we got one of the open slots. I believe that either we or PSU would have STILL gotten that open slot over a 10-2 Notre Dame. The BCS basically has no incentive to take an equal at large team when they can grab a team from a conference that will put more asses in the seats than Notre Dame will.

The smart thing for the Domers to do would be to join the Big East, where they would be competitive. You guys saw the handwriting on the wall a long time ago and joined the Big 10. I know some of you have been grumbling about being a member of 10.1, but I think you actually have a better record and better classes than you would have if you’d stayed independent – Joe Pa or not.

I don’t see in the long-run the TV contracts keeping Notre Dame’s ass afloat. Why put them on your schedule when you can pay 200K to hammer a Northwest Southeast Regional Teacher’s College in your own crib?

Just some food for thought.

Go kick ass and take names in your bowl game, and looking forward to our next matchup!

Did he lie to his players is my question? Is there proof of that? If there is, then I agree, just another chump. But if there is no proof of that, and a few kids are just ticked because he is leaving, then they need to get over it. Because if someone confirmed to them that they would be a top 10 draft pick, they would leave school in a heartbeat.

….slow your roll Fugi. I lived in Cincy for 5 years…love that town….great sports city, good looking women, the whole bit.

I don’t know if you’ve spent a lot of time in Cincinnati, but it’s a pretty cool city, not a hell-hole. So they had a little race riot problem a few years back, who hasn’t?

Now maybe you were talking about UC football compared to ND, where yes, I would agree with you. Bearcat football is a “hell-hole” (I guess) comared to ND or PSU or Michigan or U$C…you get my point.

But Kelly could’ve handled his exit with more class. I wish some of these coaches would just be honest and say “look, I enjoy my job here and I don’t anticipate leaving any time soon, but you should never say to never to an interesting opportunity.”

Ferentz has used this gambit very successfully to squeeze more money out of us, and hey, he’s producing like a high-priced hooker, so we gladly hand the cash over.

in such an important time in the recruiting season, I don’t know if ND would have taken that chance. And even if they did wait, the rumor mills still would have been churning, and it would have been leaked that Kelly is the guy they want for the job, and that’s all he’d be asked at his press conferences, and it would still undermine the team, since the players would all probably assume he was leaving anyway, and so either it would be a distraction, and/or it would just prolong the lying.