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Final Predictions to Cut through the Clutter

Okay you dopes.  Time to make predictions on who will end up being the Big Ten's twelfth member.  And when I mean predictions, I mean who ultimately ends up joining.  Not who you want to join, or who deserves to join, or who makes sense, blah blah blah.

Just who De-lame-y ends up choosing as the twelfth member.

I don't want to read any comments unless you're submitting an alternate candidate.  Just cast your VOTE!

Let's see if we are right after eighteen months.


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And the twelfth member of the Big Ten is:
Boise State
5 votes
Boston College
5 votes
Maryland
5 votes
Missouri
43 votes
Nebraska
18 votes
Notre Dame
54 votes
Pittsburgh
31 votes
Rutgers
36 votes
Syracuse
14 votes
Virginia
1 votes
Virginia Tech
8 votes
West Virginia
5 votes
Remains eleven schools
35 votes

260 votes | Poll has closed

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I can't believe someone actually voted for Boston College

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 15, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Geez, don't you read the RULES!?!?!?!
I don’t want to read any comments unless you’re submitting an alternate candidate.

"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno

by Horse N Buggy on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Rules are communist

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 15, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So saying, "Your mama"

would be a valid comment?

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, although she does not border an existing Big Ten state

so she’s probably out of the running.

Also, she does not meet the academic standards.

"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno

by Horse N Buggy on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure she'd border every state.

I mean, if she could fit out the door.

We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.

by psuwxman on Dec 16, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Your Mama is so huge...

she borders ALL the Big Ten states.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Dec 16, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Your Mama is so huge...

she stepped on a rainbow and made Skittles.

Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

And what about Louisville? Opens recruting south to OMGESSSSSSSSEEEESEEEEE speed. Good in football and basketball. Thoughts?

"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."

by Touchdown on Dec 16, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

They had good football while playing in C-USA, then two good years in the Big East, then diddly poo

Basketball is good. Louisville’s not a major research institution, as far as I know. Not a very large TV market or draw.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 16, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Your mama's so big

She had to stop wearing her X t-shirt because helicoptors kept trying to land on her.

by LionsandBear on Dec 16, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

Seems a bit forced.

by psdeuce on Dec 16, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on! How old are you?

You gotta remember the late 80’s and early 90’s to get it.

by LionsandBear on Dec 16, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha

Not old enough I guess. I was in diapers/kindergarten.

by psdeuce on Dec 16, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yo mama so fat...

she puts mayonnaise on asprin

sorry… couldn’t resist

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Dec 16, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

When yo mama gets on the scale it says “One At A Time Please”
/too late?

by Bob Sacamano on Dec 17, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

oh yes the momma joke era

ur momma is like the village bicycle… everyone gets a ride

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton

by psu in the w-b on Dec 16, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll admit, it was me

I think BC is the Verbal Kint of this whole situation.

And if I’m right, I look brilliant. I wouldn’t look brilliant if I went with the rest of you goobs and took Notre Dame or Mizz.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Dec 16, 2009 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

My alternate team

ZUG!!!!

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Dec 15, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll just take the opportunity to say the following:

This conference is run by old guard elitists who don’t care about improving this conference because they’re too wrapped up in the past and their own self-importance. They don’t need a conference championship, because they have the game. There’s no reason to expand, because it simply moves further away from the glorious and immaculate tradition of the Big Ten. This is all one big tease.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know

adding PSU to the Big Ten threatened the OSU v Michigan game back in the day and they still added us. I just think the Big Ten is very selective in who they take because it’s about the entire package and not just Saturday afternoons in the Fall. That’s why I think Syracuse is the perfect fit. They border the Big Ten, they have an excellent academic reputation, they can add to both the basketball and football profile, they would bring in the largest media audience in the country, and they’re a state school in a location that is similar to most of the other Big Ten schools unlike other schools that are located in large metropolitan areas like Pitt or Cincy.

by LionsandBear on Dec 16, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Syracuse is not a state school, it's private

And it’s not New York City, it’s Syracuse.

I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.

by jesse. on Dec 16, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Syracuse was a state school

I guess I’m wrong but as far as not being in Syracuse I know that. That’s why I stated that it’s not in a large metropolitan area like Pitt or Cincy. Even though it’s not in NYC, it still brings in the NYC market.

by LionsandBear on Dec 16, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Entire package

I think you could make a case for a lot of schools, Syracuse included, but I don’t think the B10 administration is interested in a school you have to make a case for. 1st and foremost is money, the school they add needs to bring in money. That’s why Penn State was added: we’re a really profitable brand in our own right.

Now if you take that simple criteria and run with it, you’ll find out the following: There are only two profitable athletic programs in any university in this country: Football and to some small extent basketball. Football is 10x more profitable than basketball, even if you’re Duke or NC.

So if you assume the B10 wants a profitable brand, and the only thing that makes any money is football and to a lesser extent basketball, you really don’t have a lot of options. I know that academics and prestige play a large role, but they’re secondary to the financial side of this expansion. For that reason, I don’t think there’s a school out there that fits the bill outside of Nebraska, Notre Dame, and maybe Mizzou. The first two will cross them selves of the list and so might Mizzou. I just don’t see this whole thing amounting to much.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 16, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at several of the schools in a different way

I noticed that only Mizzou and Syracuse have endowments over $1 billion. Nebraska only has $191 million and Rutgers only has $593 million. Notre Dame comes in at $5.5 billion which is just another reason why they’re the perfect fit.

At some point Notre Dame needs to look at the long term picture at not just what they have today because if they turn down the Big Ten one more time, they will end up hurting themselves financially in the long haul. Unfortunately for Domers, ND officials are always too stuck in the past to see the future.

by LionsandBear on Dec 16, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

That’s actually really interesting, you would think Nebraska would have more endowments then friggin Rutgers given their prestigeous past and football tradition. Good stuff.

I just looked up Penn State and we’re sitting at 1.59 billion dollars, that’s a pretty good number (46th nationally), but it pales in comparison to Notre Dame.

I think the underlying point about Notre Dame is this: we act like a 20 million dollar HC contract is a big deal to that university, but it’s not. They are filthy, filthy rich. They probably spent 20 million this year on gold plated clover-shaped toilet seats for their fleat of private jets.

That number really sets a tone for me: it was my opinion earlier that this conference would wait for ND, but that’s only if there’s a feeling that within 5-10 years ND would join. I dont’ know if they’ll ever really need to join a conference if they can generate that kind of money on their own.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 16, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The Nebraska endowment is shocking

by Bob Sacamano on Dec 17, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

hows texas?

How about UT Austin? good schholl.. big football budget..tradition.. etc all matches

by karmagod123 on Dec 15, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

Steelton YMCA

I’m never letting that loss go, I want them back on the schedule.

Plus they give us the Harrisburg/East Shore market we want so bad.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Dec 15, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

No.....

Bobby Bowden has them on his list of wins. They’d never get in becauseof that!

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi

by PaJoe on Dec 16, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Lackawanna College

Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...

by letsgopsu on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

UCONN

I heard a radio guy saying he thought it would be Uconn or Rutgers on my way to work this am. I figure he must know more than me.

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby

by psu on Dec 16, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Colin Cowherd

Stated today that he thinks Rutgers is the best choice: academics, location, school size and the $$$ due to the somewhat untapped market with the NY/NJ local.

He did give props to JoePa and cited a statement that he made over a year ago on expansion…

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 16, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

St. Vincent Prep

formerly of Latrobe, Pa….most of the last team are still alive and they can use new Chuck Noll Stadium…would come cheap and would play PSU ALWAYS at Beaver Stadium…just offer team guaranteed Berks hot dogs and they’re there…8th home game…and besides we need an Eastern partner, huh!

by DerryPharmer on Dec 16, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

University of Phoenix Online

opens the big ten up to an infinite market. Strong recruiting pipeline.

by nitlions057 on Dec 16, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

and they do have their

own stadium.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Dec 16, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem with Phoenix

Delaney likes face to face meetings when interviewing potential schools and the administration at Phoenix will only do video conferences. Deal breaker! Darn you online schools!!!

by LionsandBear on Dec 16, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Skype. Close enough. Done deal.

And who wouldn’t love the ‘Fightin’ Keyboards’?

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 16, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes!

I completely dismissed U of P Online…has a beautiful campus and is in the midst of upgrading FB Stadium…attended some personal enrichment classes for a few years and as a bonus the co-eds are outstanding…offers an excellent Bacon Loaf at the Rises from the Ashes Cafeteria and will play for pay with PSU always at Beaver Stadium…WE can’t miss this opportunity…offer them CC Peppers and a WalMart restroom to be named later.

by DerryPharmer on Dec 16, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

Temple!

NOT…I voted for Notre Dame. Mike’s eloquence got to me.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 16, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

I was talking with a friend of mine and there is zero chance Notre Dame will be involved. As much as people would like to see them, they are not going to give up their TV contract. Also Notre Dame’s academic programs are not as strong as others in the Big Ten. The Big Ten has a lot of Research schools and Notre Dame is not one. Look at Rutgers, Pitt, Cuse and Missouri. They have more research and acadmics then Notre Dame. As much as people want to look at this as purely a revenue generation plan (Notre Dame), the schools that are in the Big Ten/Eleven are very strong in Acadmics and Research facilities so they may be looking not only to give the conference a title game in football, but to advance the standing of the academics of the conference. Just a thought.

by cmdpsu15 on Dec 16, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

You might be right

that there is zero chance that ND will be the 12th member of the big10, but it definitely won’t be because of academics, and likely their tv contract will have little to do with it.

ND is a good academic school, certainly on par with the best of the big 10 in terms of research, etc. They have very good business, engineering, natural science programs, top notch liberal arts, a decent law school, etc. They’re a very good academic university and the big 10 wants them to join.

The only reason ND might not become a member is because they don’t want to. They don’t want to joint despite the fact that they would get more tv revenue from being a big11 member than by staying with NBC…they don’t want to join b/c the alumni get all excited about the fact that they are independent. And, though they don’t earn as much tv revenue as the big11 (or sec) teams, they still do very well for themselves.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Dec 16, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

"they still do very well for themselves"

yeah, see BearandLion’s comment above. 5.5 billion in endowments. As in 5.5 thousand million. That’s crazy rich, no wonder those people are nuts.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 16, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter about their academics per se

Unless they agree to join AAU, it’s likely a dealbreaker to the Big Ten’s academic wing.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Dec 16, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm curious,

I pretty much understand why the big 10 would want to add a team. I’m a little fuzzy on why just any team would want to join the big 10. Especially if they are already a member of another conference. Can anybody help me out? Is there more money to be made in the Big 10 compared to the Big East / Big XII? I know most conferences use revenue sharing like the Big 10, they may be an exception, but I’m not sure which conference that is. You could make the case that the Big 10 shares more bowl game revenue due to typically placing two teams in BCS games, but I don’t know if that would still be the case if they added a 12th team (having your second best team lose their last game of the season being detrimental to bowl bids.)

(Just based on football) – would it make sense for Cinci, Pitt or Butgers to want to play in the Big10 when they can march out an average team and compete for a Big East title? The way I was looking at it’d have to be something that is mutually beneficial to both schools. That would lead me toward ND (if their tv money dries up) or Boise (no more getting shut out for not being in a conference.) Maybe I’m looking at it from too much of a purely football prospective, but I haven’t been to an Institutional Research game in awhile.

Thanks.

by Pallet on Dec 16, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Even though the media wants you to believe otherwise

the big Ten is the most popular conference and has the most fans despite having less schools than the ACC, SEC and Big12. The Big Ten also has the best TV contracts of any conference. Every football home game for a Big Ten school is on TV (either ABC/ESPN network or the BTN) everywhere in the country. The last time Penn State was on a regional only broadcast was at Syracuse last year.

by whiteoutonly on Dec 16, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

so what I'm trying to say is

this would definitely be a great move for a school like Rutgers. The Big East has crappy TV contracts for football and crappy bowl tie ins, which means less money.

by whiteoutonly on Dec 16, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool, that helps.

Thanks for the info. I can understand better bowl tie ins, although, you still have to qualify for them which I think would be harder for a school like Rutgers in the Big 10. TV contracts make sense. I wouldn’t know how to quantify one conference’s contract versus another. Also curious that the PSU / ‘cuse OOC game was a regional broadcast, but we’re making the case that future PSU / ’cuse Big 10 games would be national?

by Pallet on Dec 16, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

Future PSU/Cuse games would be national if ’Cuse was part of the B10. It would either be on the B10 Network, ABC or ESPN/ESPN2

by Kyle_Martin on Dec 16, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If it isn't ND...

than I don’t think it will be ‘Cuse. Maybe Rutgers. ’Cuse alums, of which my sister is one, would not be pleased. They enjoy the basketball traditions of the Big East and while they want the football team to be better than they are now, they don’t demand the level of success of a PSU, UM, O$U. It would be a hard sell to the alums, especially the basketball diehards. They have no interest in playing Iowa, Purdue, PSU every year in lieu of G’Town, ’Nova, UConn. With that being said, their current President is bat sh*t crazy, so who knows.

Rutgers alumni base is pretty large and still remains untapped.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 16, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

I agree, it seems that of all the choices, the Rutgers seems the most maliable since they don’t have a long tradition of success in mens BBall or football — they’re still kind of open to change where a school like Cuse is dug in to the Big East b/c of bball.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 16, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Syracuse/Pitt

What everybody ignores, is that in a lot of ways these two are like the Ohio State and Michigan of the Big East. They’ve been there the longest, they’ve created a confrence that serves their needs perfectly, and kind of fits the other schools around them.

Why would they want to leave that? I don’t think they would.

Rutgers on the other hand kind of got shoe-horned in after Penn State bailed. They would much rather be in the Big Ten, at least then they would be getting dragged around by the nuts by schools that might have interests close enough to theirs that they would see a benefit.

I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.

by jesse. on Dec 17, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

They’d be trading in their identity as one of the founders of the Big East to be the new guy in the B10. I don’t think they would be interested in that at all either — but like you said about Rutgers… They don’t have an identity in the Big East, so why wouldn’t they leave for greener pastures?

In my mind Rutgers has the easiest path to the B10: they represent a large media market, they are academically very strong, and they have a passionate fan base for their athletic teams. They just expanded their stadium and they’re packing that thing regularly.

Cuse and Pitt are pretty much DOA as far as football revenue is concerned. I posted it somewhere on ESPN, but Pitt has a stadium of 65k and an average attendance of 80%. We all joke about the yellow out but it is a reality. Meanwhile Rutgers averaged 100% capacity this season. Penn State averages 99.7% attendance.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 17, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder...

if Big 11 would “ask” Rutgers to host some games at the new Giants/Jets stadium as a condition of joining, i.e. once every couple of years, play Michigan or O$U or PSU their for greater exposure or if Rutgers would want to since it would be playing opponents that could fill that stadium, similar to what ’Nova does in bball with the Wachovia center.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Rutgers is currently VERY opposed to playing at Giants Stadium

GS is really trying to hone in on the home campus gameday feel. I know they recently told ND to F off about the proposal to play in the Meadowlands.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 17, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What about travel expense

to Rutgers for everyone except Penn State? Would that be a deal breaker for non-revenue sports?

by Joe 96alum on Dec 16, 2009 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

Might be....

less expensive overall to get to North Jersey than central pa. Do non-revenue sports fly or drive to events?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 17, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I would imagine they'd do whatever is cheaper for that specific event.

They will already have a formula for calculating the costs to drive, and so if they can fly cheaper, then they’ll do that, if not, they’ll drive.

I drove from East Lansing to Philly last year for a conference (because in my mind it was cheaper, plus I wanted to bring my gf and dog cuz we were gonna extend it into a trip back home to visit friends/family, but even without that it was still cheaper on gas and oil than flying, and I wasn’t worried too much about wear and tear as my car at the time had ~200,000 miles on it). Anyway, I get back from the conference and find out that they decided they weren’t going to compensate me for the driving because according to their calculations it would have been more expensive than if I had flown.

I don’t remember the exact numbers, but I spent something like $250-$300 on gas/oil, the compensation for driving they calculated out as something like $800, and so they “only” compensated me $600 for what a flight out of the Lansing airport would be. I would have been happy for just the $300, because again, this would have gotten my gf and dog out there for “free”, while compensating me for basically all my expenses, but hey, I’m not complaining.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 17, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Also think of it from Rutgers' perspective

AS the other schools only have to travel to Rutgers once a year, whereas Rutgers would have to travel to all the other schools each once a year (or every other year, depending on the sport, etc)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 17, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

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