"Our two conferences are a lot different," Jefferson said Monday after the Tigers' first practice in preparation for the bowl. "The SEC has a lot more speed-type people. They (the Big 10) have a lot more big guys. We've got great receivers and running backs to try to take advantage of something Penn State doesn't have."
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tennessee thought they were fast
but they still had to contend with poz in their backfield all day. tacklin’ their RBs.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
did the end of that statement
intentionally or accidentally turn into a “i can haz cheezeburger”-ish phrase?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
they weren’t as tough as us /nevergetsold
I know about your diabolical plan.
by KevinHD on Dec 17, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would love Devon Smith to challenge their fastest player in a race
Although Joe would never let a freshmen talk to the media and would not play him if he did manage to say that – if not kick him off the team
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
no offense to Devon
but Trindon Holliday has him beat in the speed department. Kid is the fastest player in NCAA…olympic type speed.
Big Ten Titles for everyone.
at what distance?
100meters, I’ll give. But at 60yards?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
100 meters in 9.96
40 in 4.2
I don’t think you have ever had anybody that fast.
But it’s ok, basically nobody has. He is the fastest player in CFB!
Oh and we’ve got several guys in the 4.3 – 40 range.
For the record, Jefferson is not our best ‘spokesman’ and really doesn’t do well in front of a mic. We don’t really buy the ‘slow’ argument. We might have several guys that can out run anybody on your team but if they aint in the right place at the right time it doesn’t matter.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
by SouthernMan on Dec 17, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
YES thank you
I HATE the slow argument. It’s about who has better football players. I think saying one team is better than another because they’re “fast”, or that the SEC is the best conference because they have speed unique to their conference only…is dumber than a lead balloon. This argument is used primarily by media who lack any football IQ and only notice somebody outrunning somebody else to the sideline.
Now, saying somebody “plays” fast on the other hand makes perfect sense. Sees the play developing, gets going to the play a half step quicker, etc. But this doesn’t seem to be what anyone talks about.
Devon Smith
40 had a hand timed 4.18 (I doubt anyone seriously believes that, though, nor that Holliday is that fast, either, for what it is worth. More realistic time for both around 4.3)
60 in 6.63 s (the time I found for Holliday were 6.64, so basically equal)
100 in 10.56 s
Stephon Green also was supposedly timed at 4.25 (but I really just don’t believe any pre-NFL-combine time, especially ones under 4.3, so I just put them all at that limit).
So you are right, we don’t have anyone as fast as Trindon Holliday…well, except for the guys that we have that are as fast as Trindon Holliday.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 18, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Trindon won a National Championship last Track Season
With an official time of 9.96 not 10.56, nice try.
He also has been clocked at 4.2 in the 40, if you think you have someone that fast then it is news to EVERYONE in college football as Trindon Holliday has been recognized all year as the fasted college football player in America.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
I didn't mean to say Trindon had the 10.56
that was the fastest time I found for Devon Smith (which is admittedly significantly slower than Trindon, but over an unrealistic football distance)
Both Devon Smith and Stephon Green have been clocked (and I’m guessing with clocks as accurate and precise as the ones for Trindan) at 4.2.
The reason this maybe news to EVERYONE is that Smith is just a true freshman who hasn’t seen a lot of action (we’ve been putting “hands” guys out to field punts for reasons that will be obvious to you in a few weeks), and is still being incorporated into the offense.
Green is backup to Royster, because despite Green’s speed, he isn’t as reliable as Royster, who may not be as fast, but there’s only so fast you need to be when you’re the “every down back” and your strength is finding the holes in the line, and having great balance (you will also find out in a few weeks that he played Lacrosse in high school, and was recruited by Johns Hopkins to play for them).
The other reason that it will be news to EVERYONE is that EVERYONE chooses to believe the myth that (all) Big 10 teams are slow, despite any evidence to the contrary. You’ve basically proved my point by ignoring my post where I point out 2 guys that are as fast as Trindon, and quote times that they’ve been clocked at, and just reply with “if you think you have someone as fast…”
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 18, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Mother of God
I know they’re told this myth since highschool, but you still have to be dumb as rocks to believe that categorically any SEC team is faster than any B10 team. Watch the film! See that #20 guy? Yeah, he’s running a 4.2 40. Yeah, a 4.2 is a 4.2 no matter what side of the Mason-Dixon you’re on.
Here’s to hoping Moo Moo takes one to the house on a reverse, so the SEC guys can explain how someone from the B10 can run that fast.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
the funny thing is
does anyone actually remember hearing the SECSPEEDZ before 2006? That wasn’t that long ago, and it wasn’t until OSU couldn’t “handle the speed” ie weren’t as good as Florida at football that I remember anyone taking the argument with any consideration.
I know about your diabolical plan.
2005
In 2005 I think we first heard the term “Southern Speed” before PSU played Florida State. That’s the first I remember it. Then it turned into SEC speed.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Big 10 slow...
Yep, the Big 10 is so slow, that’s why tO$U keeps sending skill players to the NFL, or Iowa handled a “fast” Arizona team, or PSU fares really well against SEC teams.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 17, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Dec 17, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
man, I really wish I had a professional football team
just to give Hunt a job. I don’t see how he hasn’t made it on any team. The Eagles drafting him was horrible, because they have no use for a back like him.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 17, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I almost feel guilty about him not making it in the pros
The Eagles didn’t give him much of a chance, and no one else seemed to want him, which I don’t understand. On work ethic alone, the guy deserves a spot.
The eagles gave him plenty of chances
he couldn’t pick up a block. He was a great college player but if he had what it takes to be in the nfl, he would be there
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
He's right
There are a lot of differences between the two leagues. The most obvious one I can see is that two weeks before the game, Big Ten players will have watched some film of their opponent. While SEC players, clearly have not.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
by jesse. on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Speed does nothing for you when you get knocked on your ass. And speed does nothing for you if you take the wrong angle.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Dec 17, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
See: 2009 Oregon State defense vs. Oregon
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Speed Difference blamed...
in article for O$U’s losses in MNC games?!? They lost the first one because they were way over confident and didn’t adjust. They lost the second one because LSU was better and playing a home game. How does one explain O$U’s win against Miami?!? (other than the Refs).
The SEC may have better teams from top to bottom, but that is because they tend to have better players not necessarily faster players.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 17, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions
I know it’s not popular, but that call wasn’t actually that bad, just late. And I’m pretty sure there was a bad call that went against OSU earlier in the game that was of some importance. I love discrediting OSU as much as the next guy, but I never could really pile on that one.
I know about your diabolical plan.
They should have called holding, not PI. Result was still the same.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I love piling on that one
And not just because Sam named his blog with an acronym that nearly works with that ref’s name, tho that helps the continued piling. Another thing that helps: it ended in a freakin brutus MNC!
I respect your thinking, tho, and will give that distinction some consideration (between ‘not actually that bad’ and ‘just late’)
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Done considering
The lateness alone makes it that bad. The lateness given the juncture of the game makes it terribly bad. And irrespective of the first two, in a vacuum, the call itself is beyond questionable. Dude (Terry Porter, as in We Will Always Have Terry Porter) stood there, and by there I mean in the end zone of a mythical national championship game in overtime, a full 10 yards further away from the play than the the Line Judge who confidently and correctly signals incomplete, like a deer in the headlights for a full FOUR seconds after the ball hit the ground incomplete. The U players are celebrating, hugging, confetti is in the air. THEN he throws the flag.
I don’t buy it that, after that long, it remains ‘the right call.’
Respectfully submitted,
jtothep
p.s., some vidwork for your perusal. See if the text the author pastes into the opener affects your own judgment of what you see at the 1:00min mark of the video, not to mention the additional analysis written propaganda pasted onscreen, all of which is of course moo, since the game would’ve been freakin OVER! Go ahead, defend a buckeye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMvjADmxhVw
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
The lateness does not make it a bad call
The fact that he called pass interference makes it a bad call.
Regardless, the outcome of the game was fair. Holding would have been the right call there, and result would have been the same.
As for the lateness of the call, I give Porter some benefit of the doubt. He’s in the national championship game. I have no problem with the refs replaying it in their head.
"Jeff Brooks....OHHHH! haHA!" - Gus Johnson
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
The PI was a bad call
The lateness makes it worse. I have a big problem with it.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
You're worse than RUTS with the Devlin/Dwheels pass
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
You're being ridiculous anyway
Who cares? Everyone knows Iowa was the best team in the land in 2002.
"Jeff Brooks....OHHHH! haHA!" - Gus Johnson
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Step off, silly badger
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
And that ^ is what make you guys SOOO awesome to blog with.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Palmer may have had better stats and he beat Iowa, but Banks was the best player in the country
And maybe the best player at Iowa in the last 20 years.
"Jeff Brooks....OHHHH! haHA!" - Gus Johnson
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I would have to agree.
The amount of awards he won that year seem like a continuous list.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I see numerous penalties on that play
but all are “borderline”
There is some borderline defensive holding going on, and then some light pass interference (left arm barely in contact with the back, his helmet and shoulder pads in almost constant contact with the ribs/chest, then the helmet bumps the elbow right about when the ball arrives), and then the facemask (but likely of just the 5 yard variety…I can’t recall if those used to result in first downs or not…)
The fact that it was late, well I don’t know, I hate late calls, but not if they were correct. Perhaps he was just trying to make sure he did see what he saw (though memory can be quite tricky in situations like that). I don’t think anyone would be complaining about the call if the flag came out immediately, though. One of the reasons I wish calls like this were reviewable.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 18, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
with you.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 17, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh, seriously....
how did this whole SEC speed thing start? I’m only guessing here but I can’t remember a time when all the players got together and did an old fashion footrace. Until that happens and the SEC wins it all, its all perception and if you buy into it I’ll put a unicorn in your driveway…
by RudyWasOffsides on Dec 17, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions
For the most part, it's a racial thing
Which makes me wonder how the heck it’s actually been allowed to go on for so long.
by smashtheguitar on Dec 17, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, this is GLORIOUS
This is exactly what we want. This is like in 44, when we wanted the Germans to think we were landing at Calais. Of course, it wasn’t true, but the Germans wanted to think we were landing at Calais, so they believed it.
I just hope my dream of Josh freaking Hull running down an SEC runningback comes true.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions
our "slowness" is like Pattons phantom army so Ike (hull) could go ninja on germans
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 17, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my freaking word
Please, please, please keep putting a microphone in front of these dudes!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Just Like Everything In the South...
The clocks must run just a tad slower to account for this mythical “speed”.
please explain why you think that, good sir
by RammerJammer23 on Dec 17, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
shouldn't it be "ig'nant"
or is that a texas/western thing?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
that was an ignorant statement
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Dec 17, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I always went with
Ignernt. That’s the way it sounded from the rednecks in my little corner of the 717.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
because NoLimitLion was obviously making a sarcastic joke
so you were apparently ignorant of message board banter and flames. It wasn’t like he was pretending like there was an actual study done of clocks in the southern regions (though apparently specifically they southeastern regions) of the United States which concluded they run slower, accounting for the increase in perceived “speed” of players who originate from said region.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 18, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Please be sure to read this slowly so y'all's can undastand...
Y’all’s knows that y’all’s clocks run just a little slowa’…which is why y’all’s thinks that all y’all’s players can run a 40 in 3.6 flat.
by NoLimitLion1 on Dec 17, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Honest to God, I am sitting at my desk, smiling and laughing.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions
SEC players taunting us about our slowness?
Seriously? Before we play them?
This is like an early Christmas present.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously
This game just got reeaalllly sexy to me.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
We'll see who's laughing when your little human world goes dark as night
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I will be
but only because I laugh when nervous/scared. True story.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 17, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking more like under a desk.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 17, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
My Two Favorite Parts of the Article...
Near the top…
""The SEC has a lot more speed-type people. They (the Big 10) have a lot more big guys."
Followed up with…
“Jefferson noticed that the size of linebackers Sean Lee, Josh Hull and Navorro Bowman matches LSU’s unit with all in the 6-foot-2, 235-pound range.”
Yeah, man
Bowman’s not slow, he’s just winded.
Anyway, we’ll see what Jordan has to say if Odrick stuffs him in the backfield several times. I know I’ll be screaming “Who’s fast now, bitch?!”
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's what she said
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
by Horse N Buggy on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't go around telling people that...
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Dec 17, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
You know, in watching last year's bowl games
there was only one game where I saw an obvious difference in speed, and that was in the Alabama / Utah game. Utah’s players, specifically their defensive line and linebackers, were much faster in swarming to the ball.
+1
That was a beautiful way to finish an undefeated season.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Utah really beat us pretty bad last year...
now saying that, we did have two offensive line starters that did not play that game. One being Outland Trophy Winner Andre Smith and one of our stars last year and this year Mike Johnson. Not having much time to readjust and find a decent replacement really hurt us…but hey, this year we are in the Title game and Utah is in….wait a second…let me look it up real quick…oh yeah, the Poinsettia Bowl.
Looking forward to having the PSU fans come to Bryant-Denny next year! Roll Tide
by RammerJammer23 on Dec 17, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Me too!
Love me some Alabama football tradition.
I’m wondering, tho, if our AD might ring up Saban and ask to postpone until we can get ourselves back to where we are a little more competitive? I doubt this would work b/c Curley and Saban likely don’t have the relationship that Mal Moore and JoePa had a few years ago, when Joe got a similar call.
I am bummed we’ll be bringing a fairly iffy squad (fairly young Oline, really young QB) to Tuscaloosa next year, but maybe back up at our place in ‘11 we’ll be a little more even. In any case, I’m very much looking fwd to having some drinks with you fine folks!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
yeah, it is a bit frustrating
that we postpone the game a few years so that Alabama can “get a little more competitive” and now we’ll be playing at WORST the National Championship Game loser.
I just wish our O-line and QB would be at a higher level for this game (pretty much the only reason I wish Devlin didn’t transfer, but of course that would just make the home game for us the “iffy” game, whereas now we’ll have a better shot of winning that one, and just trade home wins)
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 18, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Good point on the OL
they get no attention for the work they do at any level…but it’s impossible to replace 2 guys of that quality while getting ready for a 12-0 team. Just bad luck on your part for that one.
They got to Hunt very quickly,
and ate helmet even quicker.
I’ve never seen as much of a physical mismatch as I saw in the 4th quarter of that game.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Dec 17, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Stephon Green and Devon Smith
meet LSU. LSU, these gentlemen are Stephon… oh crap they sprinted back to PA for something, just give’em a minute and they’ll be right back.
I can’t stand ignorance.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Mythical SEC Speed Debunked
Three kids are bragging about their dads when the first kid says “My dad is so fast that he ran a mile in under 4 minutes.” The second kid said “Yeah, well my dad is so fast that if I shot a bullet from here towards that tree 50 ft away, my dad will get to the tree before the bullet!” The third kid shakes his head and says “Look, my dad is the fastest of all. He works for the State of Louisiana and gets off work at 4 but is home by 3!”
"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."
by Touchdown on Dec 17, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Zing!
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Dec 17, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Let them believe this all they want.
Our guys all run 6 second 40s, and have no agility. It will be an easy game guys, don’t bother gameplanning or practicing.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 17, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions
No need to run
any of those timeout drills either.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
As a Buckeye fan...
I can’t wait to watch this bowl game. Jefferson’s over confidence is a blessing for Penn St. and I firmly believe that you guys hold LSU’s “speed” to single digits.
Go Big Ten!
by buckeye in athens on Dec 17, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions
Or not
As someone pointed out to me. If we have to drop a bowl game, let it be the Rose, and have all of the other Big Ten teams (except MSU who is going to get murdered) win, so we can prove it’s tOSU who’s responsible for the negative portrayal of the conference and not the rest of us.
i will not be rooting for jaOSU
i’ll be honest…i refuse to root for them until pryor has officially left to become an NFL WR.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Yeah, it feels really bad to me to be seriously against a kid
But I just don’t like him. Or his idol.
by smashtheguitar on Dec 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
if i was older i might not care as much
but since he’s only like 2 years younger than me…i feel like i’m allowed to hate. if he was a receiver, i would have nothing against him. but the college football world’s insistence that he is like, the best QUARTERBACK, annoys the hell out of me.
also, i’ve read early heisman speculation…guess who is in the top 5…
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Just wait
if tO$U is in the top 5 next season, that guy’s getting an invite to NYC for the ceremony at the very least. Stats/logic be damned.
i've already began preparing my mental state
gotta protect mah mind grapes.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
I wonder what would happen if they lost to Oregon
That would be four bowl losses in a row. Sure, two were for the MNC, but that’s a lot of end of the year flameouts.
by smashtheguitar on Dec 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Big Fail Tressell?
serously though, the buckeye fans will be going nuts (tehehe) if they lose a 4th in a row. which will make me giggle.
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
yeah
it’d be funny if the fans got to a point where they wanted to go to a non-BCS game just so they could actually win a bowl game.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
They would have to play a bowl
against Oklahoma, just to see who is the greatest choke artist of them all.
after a regulation 0-0 game
with 8 turnovers on each side, the game heads into overtime. After the 6th overtime the officials and coaches agree that a first down will count the same as a touchdown, and that not turning the ball over will count the same as a field goal.
4 overtimes later, one of the refs is so disgusted that he blows a play dead in which Pryor had fumbled the ball, claiming his knee was down. The replay official confirms that his knee was indeed down, despite video evidence to the contrary. This ends just one more controversial game in which a ref hands a bowl win to the buckeyes in overtime on questionable call.
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 18, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Except that none of us can beat OSU, apparently
Which means OSU’s suckiness, by transitive property, infects us all.
We need an OSU win, much as I hate to say it.
(And, yeah, MSU is probably going to get slaughtered. Our secondary couldn’t cover a set of statues.)
Tony Hunt, after running for 158 yards on Tenn. in the Outback:
“We take pride in our endurance. You know, I wasn’t tired. They were worn out. We just ran the ball every play at them. We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed but we knew personally that they weren’t nearly as tough as us.”
“I never really felt that they wanted to tackle me, so we took advantage of that, especially late in the game when we just wanted to run the ball. I mean, we just ran the same play over and over — they knew we were coming — but they just couldn’t match up with us.”
by smashtheguitar on Dec 17, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions
I do dig the spread hd
But I miss this, what the Iowa stick pokers were referring to as a Core Competency after doing that to us this September. I love Tony Hunt, but we don’t have a Tony Hunt this year.
We do have a Sean Lee, tho. And one who’s got to be disappointed after these past two seasons, and is jacked the eff up to play one more game in PSU blues. Usually, Tolliver and LaFell would be considered mismatches against Linebackers. Is that the case in this game?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I also miss the bruiser Hunt-style RB in our offense
I love how well the Spread HD has worked out, but I’d love to be able to have that guy that’s like a charging bull and will carry the entire front 7 on his back for an extra 4 yards.
I hope he becomes the player we want him to be
He seems to have the build, but it remains to be seen if he has the ability to be a PSU back.
if those southern schools are so fast and talented
why couldn’t they stop sherman?
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
by psudrozz on Dec 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Somewhere in a dark room
Sean Lee, Navarro Bowman, and the rest of that defense is licking their lips just waiting to stuff the crap out of the Tigers
Go State! Beat Tigers! (notice we spell our GO the correct way!)
I guess Josh Hull
Enjoys the delicacy known as “Bayou Bengal Bacon” (I know, they’re Tigers, but I went for the alliteration. Sue me.)
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
by psuwxman on Dec 17, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Still cracks me up
Third string backup linebacker Yancich wearing a headset on the sideline. Why, I ask again?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Oh
What do you think he’s rockin out to?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
These guys...
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 18, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I mean that is what I would rock out to.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Dec 18, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Nerds...
"Jeff Brooks....OHHHH! haHA!" - Gus Johnson
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Man I can't believe you guys are taking this much offense to this
It’s a fairly mealy mouthed, noncommital statement. “They’re pretty good at X, but we’re pretty good at Y, so let’s see.” This is neither “smack” nor “taunting.”
Although let me say that I have no idea wtf Jordan is talking about our great running backs, as the top three guys on the depth chart are all out with injuries, Iowa 2007 style.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Dec 17, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions
We're not taking offense to it
Or at least, I’m not.
We’ve got great receivers and running backs to try to take advantage of something Penn State doesn’t have.
Jefferson like several other SEC players over the years, thinks that Penn State is slow just because they’re in the Big Ten. This is not taunting. But if LSU thinks they can make taking advantage of Penn State’s slowness a key part of their gameplan, they will find themselves mistaken.
"Jeff Brooks....OHHHH! haHA!" - Gus Johnson
by ReadingRambler on Dec 17, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
He also said "their linebacker corps is good," but that conveniently wasn't quoted.
If you read the article, it’s not about how every player on LSU’s team is faster than every player on Penn State’s team. It’s about how LSU plans to use two specific offensive players — Trindon Holliday, and Russel Shepard.
Holliday is an NCAA track champion and faster than everyone else on the field no matter who we play – this is just an empirical fact. Shepard was a consensus 5 star, hyped as the greatest slash quarterback in the history of etc. etc. It’s pretty plausible for LSU to try to take advantage of their speed.
I agree that the Internet blather from SEC fans about the conference’s inherent superiority is irritating and detached from reality. And it’s apparently made Big Ten [sic] fans a little touchy. But nothing in Jefferson’s quotes says that, and your compatriots are imagining an insult that just isn’t there.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Dec 17, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's ok, dude
Or dudette; divas in 4.0 stances are also cool. This has got to qualify as classic bulletin board material, right? Would you contest that? And I think you can also understand the sensitivity B10 teams have about this speed myth, can’t you? We’ve been hearing this speed thing for quite some time; is it a stretch for you to imagine our fans feeling a bit insulted by Jefferson’s quote, even if he may not have had insult intended?
And regarding ‘empirical fact’: I’d like to propose a small question to it. Reasonably and with no malice intended (and hopefully not perceived). Is it possible that a distance of 100m may not be the best indicator of football speed. Penn State has a freshman who was a viable candidate to break the national record in the 55m dash (he was dehydrated and missed it) Is it possible that he could also be the fastest football player on the field, no matter who we play?
/futility of arguing such hypotheticals recognized (but fun)
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
“Is it possible that a distance of 100m may not be the best indicator of football speed.” Obviously. Being a good football player involves more than running in a straight line, very fast. Otherwise we’d call it track instead of football, and Trindon would have won four straight Heismans. I tend to agree that shorter distances are much more relevant to football and, you might be right about Smith being faster in the shorter sprints. (Although FWIW Holliday also won the SEC championship in the indoor 60m sprint, and placed second in the nation, so even that’s up for debate).
But you hit what I think is the salient point. Saying team A is faster is not the same thing as saying Team A is going to win. Is it really an insult for Jefferson to say that Penn State won by using strength, not speed? (Setting aside for a moment whether this is actually true). It’s like how some teams win with pitching, some with hitting. Neither is “better” as long as you win.
by 4.0 Point Stance on Dec 17, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stop being reasonable.
just say OMG SSSEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCC SPPPPEEEEEEEEED.
I think its just a sensitive topic. And its really fed more by the media than players on the field.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Football speed is a fascinating subject, tho
For the blogitan boards of course. But I imagine also for the coaches and especially the players. Kennollege was a 100m state champion and from what I could tell he may not have been the 3rd or 4th fastest dude on the team at one point with Dwheels, King, Butler, AJ. I always wonder what it’s like for a top 3 fastest team member when a new kid like Smith comes in and just dusts them. It’s such a big source of pride and smack and camaraderie among them too. Trindon Holliday’s been playing in Baton Rouge for 4 years; how many blue chip athletes do you think have come through there and failed in challenging him? It’s a fun discussion.
And a particularly sensitive one to an entire northern outdoor league who’s been dealing with the prejudice against it in this department for going on twenty some years.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
If this qualifies as
Bulletin board Material for you guys then it doesn’t take much.
Jordan Jefferson is actually a pretty mild mannered young man and he very rarely talks to the press. When he does he is easily made to sound, well, young…
Again, most LSU fans (read ATVS for confirmation) don’t buy into the SEC speed argument, we have quite a few VERY fast players but if you don’t use them properly (and we haven’t in most of our games this year) then it means nothing.
Believe me when I tell you, Miles and staff are taking PSU very seriously.
Frankly, to me, this game is as critical as the Florida and Bama games were and I expect the team to be ready for your best.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
i'd say it's more blog-etin board material, see what i did there?
i can’t really imagine a joe paterno coached team needing extra motivation to go out and win a game, especially a game with teams that are, at least in an overall sense, evenly matched (forget about advantages from position to position). maybe back in the dark years (i.e. our terminology for 2000-2004, sorta minus the 2002 LJ season), i could imagine those teams needing some external motivation to win some severely overmatched games, but i don’t think penn state has had to deal with a situation like that since at least 2004.
in summation: we need sh** to talk about for a month between games
We decide when you hear the snap count...
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understood
our blog has taken the month off apparently.
blog-etin board, clever. They really do teach you guys creative thinking up there at the state college of Pa.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
They don't "teach" it per se
It’s a bi-product of that whole “Necessity is the mother of invention” thing. And alcohol makes a lot of things a “necessity”.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
alcohol
yeah…i didn’t think there were so many different ways to sneak in a full 5th of Jack into beaver stadium. alas, i stand corrected.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
understood
our blog has taken the month off apparently.
blog-etin board, clever. They really do teach you guys creative thinking up there at the state college of Pa.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
I tried to speak to the media and it sucked...
All I did was say stupid stuff like “AM IS SEC SPEED”.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
As far as SEC speed
I think that the skill positions in the SEC are not faster than anywhere else. I think the big difference in speed comes in the trenches, mainly the D-line. The defensive ends especially in the SEC are usually pretty dang fast. I don’t remember it being brought up much either until the 06 championship game. That was when Florida completely shut down Troy Smith and OSU, mainly with their linemen beating the crap out of OSU’s O-line with speed rushes. You see more running backs and quarterbacks get run down in the SEC than anywhere else. I’m saying this as a general principle though, I’m sure the Big 10 and other conferences have had their share of fast linemen, it’s just that in the SEC, everyone on the line is usually fast, although that doesn’t necessarily mean they are better.
Another possibility, and I don’t know for sure about this one, is maybe this stereotype comes from the types of defenses teams in the SEC play. SEC teams typically blitz a lot and play a lot of man to man, and are very aggressive, i.e. “swarming=fast”. I haven’t watched enough Big 10 teams play to know what your conference’s style of defense is though, so maybe I’m wrong on this.
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