Me and you see this the same way, and there will be people here saying stuff like “What, Wisconsin and MSU and Illinois and Michigan weren’t good games?”

And the answer will be no, those teams all sucked. When it came down to it, Clark never beat a real upper-echelon team, and one meaningless game won’t do shit for his legacy. Sorry, Daryll, you were a great guy, but damn, man, Iowa twice and OSU you couldn’t have possibly played worse. That’s your legacy in my mind, bro.

Only few others were better than DC. So he’s up there, no doubt.

Right?

And since I can’t respond to everyones comments:
I don’t think clark has been a bad quarterback, not at all. If you wanted me to pick between clark and devlin, I’m still taking daryll. He’s been a solid qb, just not the juggernaut people seem to think he is. At most schools, he would be considered an above average qb, and if we went right from mrob to clark he would be too. 14 was so bad that clark seems great in comparison. He never won a close game in his career, and never won a statement game. I don’t blame him for his losses, but I certainly don’t give him all the credit for the wins. If he beats iowa once or osu cleanly in 08, I think I would have a different perspective. He’s not mrob, he’s not blackledge, he’s not even schaffer, so let’s stop pretending he is.

is one of the best QB’s at a school that doesn’t really have a tradition of great QB’s. For years, the QB was just supposed to not get in the way. Clark is the best QB since Collins and talents like Collins are rare. With the change in offensive scheme, I think QB play will pick up and we will look back and see MRob and Clark as the beginning of a pretty good QB run at PSU – QB’s that are mobile and can throw down the field.

I don’t think it’s fair to say his legacy is “on the line”. He’ll always be remembered as a quarterback that beat Michigan twice, only lost three regular season games in two years, brought home a Big Ten title, and beat a few school passing records. He’s a good quarterback, and a win or loss over LSU won’t change that.

Part of his problem is he has never had to step on the field down by four points with two minutes to go in the game and asked to deliver. When he wins he wins big, and when he loses he loses big. He really doesn’t have a signature win where he led the team to a victory in the clutch. Until you have that, nobody calls you a “clutch player”. And if you are not a “clutch player”, you’re just another good quarterback.

He is a great leader and has good skills, he has won games for us that a lesser QB might have lost (see prior 2 seasons). Football is a team sport and this year the O line let the team down in big games more than he did. No reasonable fan could say he has had a poor career at Penn State.

Before the season, we were all talking about how one of our biggest question marks on offense was the group of WR’s. Everyone said that a lot of the reason Clark was good last year was because the triplets made things easy for him.

So when people say “he only put up big stats against bad teams,” I see “he molded a green WR corps into something good enough to potentially see 3,000 passing.” It’s almost like everyone seemed to have forgotten the degree of difficulty involved in turning over a group that included THREE OF THE BEST PSU WR’S OF ALL TIME!!. It legitimately got to the point where no one really worried about the WR’s anymore. Raise your hand if you saw that coming, preseason? But that has nothing to do with Clark, right?

Lastly, yeah, some of those games against “crappy teams” last year may have lost their luster as the season wore on. But don’t give me some line about them not being worth a damn. You all remember how virtually every game last year was our “first real test/first OOC test/first away game test/first UM test/the OSU game.” Go ahead an make them look worse in hindsight, but they sure were meaningful at the time. Pardon the cliche, but without a playoff, every game matters. I’m glad that we have had a QB who has won a lot more of them than he lost…

Why can’t we all just get along? People are going to believe what they want to believe one way or another.

Let’s calm down, get ourselves collected and get ready to kick some LSU ass. Arguing about our quarterback only shows weakness.

For the Glory

MRob gets a lot of credit because he willed us from Zombie Nation. Plus, he was one tough SOB. But overall, I’d say DC is better than MRob.

Blackledge had the National Championship, which is huge of course. Don’t know about his numbers. Before my time. Those three: DC, MRob, TBlack, are a toss up. And seriously, I can’t think of another PSU QB that would come close to them. We’re Linebacker U, not QB U.

DC took an extra year to get his grades up, and when he got here he still was just a two or three star recruit (depending on recruiting service). He beat out a four-star recruit (Devlin) and played so well that Devlin only saw very limited playing time before taking his ball and going to Delaware.

DC graduates with a 21-4 record as a starter, and a Big Ten Championship. If we didn’t have to rebuild our OL and WR corps in 09, the record might be 23-2 and two Big Ten Championships.

We were extremely close to having one, if not two, undefeated seasons. If he doesn’t throw a late INT vs Iowa last year, we would have played for the MNC.

DC won’t be one of the best PSU QBs to play at PSU. I’d say he belongs in the Top 10 QBs to play here. And that’s a pretty nice legacy, with or without a loss to LSU.

So I can have the last word.

Just nod ‘yes’.

’Preciate it.

What did I miss? A bunch of Debbie Downers vs. Kool-Aid chuggers?

There is not much more to be said but maybe a different perspective, He is just a kid. A student athlete trying to balance academics and athletics. Yes. He did make mistakes but most of us did in college. His just get to be seen on national television. Overall, he set records, won a Big Ten championship and helped solidify PSU’s return to continued sucess.

Hmmm. I don’t think ANYONE is ever happy with their QB even if the dude is on the positive side as a starter over their career.

Nice thread.