Penn State Defeats America - Capitalism Next
Last night Penn State defeated American 76-57 in front of a sparce Jordan Center crowd of just over 7500 fans to close out their out of conference schedule. The Nittany Lions will begin their holiday break now and resume their schedule with the Big Ten opener against Minnesota on December 29.
With the out of conference slate out of the way the Nittany Lions sit at 8-4 just as I predicted.
I'll say Penn State goes 8-4 through the non-conference schedule. They'll drop one in the Charleston Classic. Then they'll lose to Temple and Virginia because those games are on the road. Then I say they gak up a game they should win somewhere along the line due to the lack of experience.
Well, they beat Virginia, but lost to Virginia Tech. And they gaked up two games in the Charleston Classic they should have won. So the question begs, is the resume of this team good enough to make the NCAA tournament?
No way. Not a chance. Virginia is their signature win, and the Cavaliers are sitting at 5-4 right now. Penn State's RPI is currently 220. Last year Penn State finished fourth in the conference and didn't make the tournament. So you have to figure with this resume they have to finish better than that, and right now I don't think they're playing well enough to do that. But an NIT bid is still within reach. Especially with how well the Nittany Lions filled up Madison Square Garden last year.
But things aren't all bad. Talor Battle is playing at a much more consistent level than he was a year ago, and he looks much more mature. I don't think we'll see the midseason slump we saw from him last year. He just looks more physically ready for the Big Ten season than he ever has. But the question lies with the players around him.
It's no secret that in order for this team to be successful other players will have to step up. The talent is there, but there are no other go-to guys on this team. Some nights David Jackson steps up. Then he goes scoreless the next game. Jeff Brooks looks like a human highlight reel for five minute spurts here and there. But he's largely invisible three-quarters of the time. Chris Babb looked horrible for most of the season, but he's starting to find the bottom of the bucket from behind the arc going 5-for-7 in his last two games.
Tim Frazier has a ton of talent, but he's still developing the mental maturity. You can see him get frustrated at times and he tries to take over the game. It's a noble trait, but when you don't come through you just let down your coaches and teammates by not playing within the system. He's got to learn to forget a bad play when it's over and move on. He can't let things bother him.
Somebody in the front court has to step up and become a go-to guy. Andrew Jones isn't getting the ball enough despite the fact he's hitting over 50% from the field on the season. Good things happen when he gets the ball in the low post. Even when he doesn't score he either dishes it out for an open look from three or he draws the defense and opens things up for the weak side. He needs to get the ball more often.
So we'll see how the Big Ten season goes. I predicted seven wins in the conference and I still think that looks about right. They'll prey on the weaker teams of the conference, they'll get a few wins against the middle teams, and I think they'll pull a major upset or two. All it takes for this team is to have one player like Chris Babb or Andrew Jones get hot and I really believe they can play with anyone. But the flip side is if nobody shows up, and Talor Battle has to do it all himself, they can lose to anyone as well.
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Change my prediction
I’ll say 5 or 6 wins, probably leaning to 5 in the B10 for two reasons.
1. Fraizer will be a good player, and is having a very good season as a freshman, but he will get exposed in conference against good defensive teams. Poor kid has absolutely no left, can’t even hint at going left, he’ll be shut down. To go along with this, Edwards has all of the talent in the world, but no maturity. He takes more bad shots than anyone on the team and makes stupid “razzle dazzle” pass and dribble plays that will cost this team some games.
Again I like his upside, but he’s not ready for the Big 10. I think we are just a little too young, and need another year. The good news is, Edwards and Frazier will get plenty of time and be exposed, and they will be better for it.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wish they would defeat...
…this healthcare bill instead of capitalism. That matchup might fill the BJC.
by LowcountryLion on Dec 22, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seems like the long running story of this team
They always have a star or two who can really play, make all big-ten, etc. But the supporting cast is always so weak that the team ends up with a mediocre record. We get some great players, but rarely ever seem to get five good ones at a time.
by PSU Mudder on Dec 22, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The depth is getting better
Frazier and Edwards are huge additions to the lineup. They will only continue to get better. Sasa will be an important piece next year. Remember this whole team is coming back next year. Recruiting is on the uptick it just takes time to get all the pieces in place. The grim predictions also stem from how tough the B10 is this year.
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by psuphiman80 on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I forget that we are getting an entire team back next years + Buie
then I remember and I smile.
Yeah, our depth is getting better, but is still young. Next year a lot of guys will be seniors and their depth will be sophomores and juniors instead of freshman and sophomores. That is huge. Especially Edwards and Frazier. Those 2 I think could end up doing big things here, I especially love Edwards. I think he is built like Cornley but is a better shot and hopefully can learn to have half the heart that SMASH had.
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by Roland86 on Dec 22, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine this:
Chris Kramer vs. Tim Frazier. Twice.
“One of the best defenders you will ever see” vs. Crazy Turnover Train.
The worst part is; I like Purdue, but those guys at Boiled Sports act like doucheas.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Steve Jones was busting the funnies (as usual) in his broadcast of the game.
He makes otherwise ho-hum games like this one worth the time — I REALLY wish there was a simple way to sync up his broadcast to the TV broadcast.
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by millzners on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if you buy one of those penn state radio things
Would that work to watch with tv at home or does it only work in state college?
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by psu on Dec 22, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried it and it sucked...
it is only a regulare FM radio away from the stadium.
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by rahpsu92 on Dec 22, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some predictions:
Purdue wins the Big Ten with a record of 15-3.
Carver-Hawkeye Arena sold to scrap company.
Battle nearly beats out Hummel for POTY.
Penn State beats Michigan State at least once.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd say this optimistic
PSU Wins: vs. Michigan, at Iowa, vs. Indiana, vs. Minnesota, vs. Michigan State, vs. Ohio State, vs. Northwestern
Iowa is awful, Michigan isn’t very good, Indiana is still young, Minnesota is just weird, Northwestern may be a tourney team but they can be had, Ohio State and MSU would be big upsets.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They lose to OSU
Even without Turner, they lose to any team that has good guard defense, because like I stated earlier Frazier and Edwards are in for a very rude awakening. Think the Temple game, just repeated over and over again.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, they beat OSU
Karma for the Hightowering last year in Columbus.
(Ok, Illinois instead. One of the two.)
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Illinois I could see
Because of Weber, and they also play freshmen guards. A much better match-up.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
They could easily dominate us on the boards.
Also, just because we were speaking of OSU’s guards, have you seen Jon Diebler play? He’s like Danny Morrissey with darker hair, a non-Irish name, and slightly better defense. It’s hillarious.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes
I’m familiar with him, and I could be wrong but I remember him being a huge get for Matta at the time, but I’m never too impressed with him. He seems even streakier than Morrissey too, I remember him shooting a horrendous percentage. But I do think he’s more athletic, and a little bigger, and like you said a better defender.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's bigger, but it doesn't help his cause
He never goes to the basket, and he can only hit his shots when he’s wide open. Total inability to spot up. Worse for them, he’s really their only outside shooter. See their game against Butler.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can't TWSS yourself
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
by psupride on Dec 22, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh he can
and he will.
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by psuphiman80 on Dec 22, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are beyond awful
We are obviously playing basketball in the wrong dimension, and have been for several years now.
Please feel free to chortle endlessly at our ineptitude when you beat the living dogshit out of us. If we have any life or dogshit left at that point.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 22, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure you're the ones who are laughing endlessly after last year
Although we did have an embarassingly awesome comback against ya’ll at home last year. I pulled into a KFC and we were down 13, and pulled out ahead 3. Not sure whether that’s an indictment of KFC, Iowa, or both, but that’s what happened.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa basketball = fast food of Big 10
Initially looks OK… then you regret eating it and it takes about 15 minutes for it to come out of your butt. Even beer stays put longer than that.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 22, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not taking anything off the table
This team is easily capable of winning 10 or 11 in conference, but it’s also capable of winning 3.
I view the Big 10 this season much as I saw the Pac-10 in football: A bunch of good teams but no sure-fire ace. Purdue and Sparty will be tough to beat (Although I think we’ve proven we match up with Sparty), but beyond that there’s no team we shouldn’t be able to handle. We’ll beat ourselves much more easily than Ohio St., Illinois, and Minnesota will, and those are probably the teams we’ll make or break out season against.
P.S. 7500 is a hell of a no-student crowd.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
seemed like about 4K
I was there and it did not seem like there were 7500 there I would say 3500 to 4000. I think there were a lot of season ticket no shows that are counted in the 7500 number.
Peter
by psuboy on Dec 22, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OOC schedule
I’m glad it’s finally over and we can get into B10 play, but the RPI link above has the PSU SOS at 314! It didn’t help that we lost first round of the Charleston Classic, but I still think that tournament was probably a net positive (in terms of schedule, not results) than the Philly Hoops Classic. So, the bottom line is that there is still a lot of work to be done when it comes to getting a quality OOC schedule. There’s not much of a chance of this team contending for a NCAA tourney berth, so I doubt that it would come into play, but if we actually did finish 4th in the B10 this year and didn’t get in again, that would just be awful.
My expectations for the B10 schedule are not as good as some, I think 5 wins is realistic. Northwestern w/o Coble looks to be better than PSU, Michigan is still more talented, and OSU will get Turner back later in the season. I think we can beat Iowa and Indiana, but would be underdogs in pretty much every other game. Of course, PSU has enough talent to pull off a few upsets which should get them up to around 5 wins.
by mundyscorner99 on Dec 22, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Michigan more talented?
Harris and Sims are both good, but the rest of that team really isn’t that good. And when Harris can’t hit his “I’m a better athlete” shots and when Beilein doesn’t feed Sims inside, the ship starts to sink.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Northwestern
I wouldn’t put much stock into them. I think they’re a product of OOC silly season, when lots of teams look better than they really are because of their schedules. This Nittany Lion group has proven it can put it together in conference, and Northwestern hasn’t yet, and despite the early returns this season, I think you have to give us the edge heading into the conference schedule. Could they prove me wrong? Sure, but I’d put pretty confident money on us A) beating them comfortably and B) finishing ahead of them in the league.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Their non-con isn't *that* bad. Probably better than ours.
Loss to Butler. Wins over Notre Dame, NC State, Iowa State, and Stanford.
I’ve only seen their game with NC State, and I was pretty impressed. I can’t remember any of their names outside of Shurna, but they played very good defense, they hit their outside shots, and they’re not all that bad inside. Anyone who plays good defense and hits jumpers can stick with us. I think we’ll split our series with them.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but...
There’s a reason we won the NIT and finished 4th last year while they didn’t. I guess I just don’t put a whole lot of stock in what happens in the non-conference. I’ve seen teams suck in the beginning (Syracuse) become huge players in the end and teams that looked unstoppable (Clemson) crap the bed.
No matter who you are, you’re going to make it or break it in league play and until Northwestern has done that, consider me unimpressed.
I think we’re an NCAA caliber team. Whether we’ll make it or not is another question entirly, but all 4 losses have come down to a late 2nd half possession. Great teams win those games, but sometimes good teams don’t, and I’m not going to pass judgement on this team until at least 5 games into Big 10 play.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Ten and NU are tough
Almost the whole Big Ten is tough (except Iowa). PSU is not an easy win. Indiana has some good young guns and I think they will be better than last year also. With PSU and Indiana being the 9th and 10th teams,. The big Ten looks really really tough this year. I don’t think 7 wins, while disappointing, will necessarily be a step back. Heck we may only be favored in 2 Big Ten Games this year.
A lot of people think NU is going to be pretty good this year. I tend to agree. That said, In the past they have shown a propensity to slip when they get into the Big Ten Schedule.
Peter
by psuboy on Dec 22, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give us some credit though
I think we’re the 8th best team. Michigan stinks.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming we're worse than an Illinois team we've owned lately
kind of sells us short too.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know...this isn't the same team as last year
This team isn’t as good as last year’s team until further notice.
Illinois has a bad loss to Georgia, but they’re more experienced and they’ve got just as much talent as we do. If you grade this conference by what teams have done this year, Illinois is ahead.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a matchup thing
I don’t care what the record is, we matchup with them historically. Throw the OOC out when you get to Big 10 play.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you see the 7500
ESPN didn’t put any number with the box score. Just curious.
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by psuphiman80 on Dec 22, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-2010/amu-psu.html
Just under the section with the names of the officials.
Mike
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by BSD on Dec 22, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I’ll check there from now on.
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by psuphiman80 on Dec 22, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of RPI
See what happens when you count on beating UNCW to play Miami?
I know I’ve said this before, but if Curley thinks these preseason tournaments are a good way to boost RPI he’s smoking a bowl. All but one team in them will lose a game, a loss (like UNCW this year or URI last year) can keep you from playing that solid RPI squad, and in general, we don’t play well at these things.
Get a fricking good team on the schedule. Do a 2 for 1 with Pitt if you have to.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If this team can't beat UNCW
Then the final RPI won’t matter, they’re not a tournament team. Pretty much settled it there with the losses there and to Tulane.
Last year, URI was a pretty good team, so I see your argument there, just not this year.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those things happen in basketball
The Celtics lost to the Sixers the other night. Does that mean they’re not a playoff team?
Those losses were setbacks, and will make it hard to make the tournament, but I don’t think they prove we’re not a tournament caliber team. A lot of people said similiar things after the Iowa loss last year, but we went on to beat a string of good basketball teams and, in my opinion, proved we should have been in the NCAA tournament.
These tournaments are no win situations.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing to UNCW doesn't prove you're not a tourney team
Losing to Virginia Tech, Temple, and Tulane proves you’re not a tourney team until further notice.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O I agree
If the season ended today we wouldn’t be close, but there’s a lot of basketball left. Just because you can’t beat even all four of those teams in November and December doesn’t mean you’re not going to end up still being a very good team.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great mid season review
Mike, I think you pretty much nailed it. We have more talent than we have had in a long time and we are playing a lot better then we did in the beginning of the year. Some of our wins against lower rated teams were not as good as they looked. We just shot the ball better then normal and made it look easy. Va Tech and Temple (from what I heard) were both games we should have won and were clearly the two best teams we played. That said, we seem to be playing more consistent than in the past and any night we can get two more guys to step up with Battle we can compete with most teams.
Peter
by psuboy on Dec 22, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Should have won at Temple?
They suffocated us. I think we were lucky to be that close. I was there, and if Temple played a decent game on offense they would have won by at least 10.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe so
I just heard we should have won it. I did not see it.
I was at the VaTech game and we blew it. Missed foul shots missed shots near the bucket and a couple of questionable calls down the stretch. Then Taylor Battle just missed on a layup at the end of the game to tie it.
Peter
by psuboy on Dec 22, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I was there too, and the only reason we lost that game was because of all the second chances we gave them and allowed them to convert on. If we pull down even 2 of those 14 offensive rebounds they got we win that game by 4-5.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh there is no doubt we could have won
But did you even read my post:
“I was there, and if Temple played a decent game on offense they would have won by at least 10.”
Make no mistake about it, they dominated us on defense because they could put the much bigger Allen (and sometimes the freakish Brooks) on Battle, and then force Frazier left, causing numerous turnovers. They out-right dominated us on defense. Thank God Babb came in and hit some key 3’s, or that game would have been ugly.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well couldn't you argue the same thing for us?
I mean, without all the second chances, Temple may not have made it to 35.
And we didn’t shoot our first free throws until there were like 10 minutes left in the 2nd half. I’m not blaming the refs but it was just that type of game if you get my drift. Temple might well have been the better team seeing as they won the A-10 and all last year, but that one was there for the taking IMO. I don’t feel like they dominated us.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I guess it’s safe to say we saw this game differently, and that’s that. At least we were both there in support.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Not Really
I’m not debating that they smothered us, but 2 rebounds might have been the difference between 45-42 and 42-41 despite it all.
Anywho, did you go with the Nation? Were you at Wendy’s pregame?
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No I did not
I went with a friend I graduated with years ago, we just live in the city and love basketball. He’s actually a Temple law student, but of course he was rooting for the Lions.
by STU Boy on Dec 22, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got Ya
I was with the screaming horde in the upper deck.
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by fugimaster24 on Dec 22, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought
When PSU isn’t in session, and you’re essentially going to get under 10K people for a bball game no matter what, why not move back to Rec Hall? We probably save some money on the power it takes to run the place, not to mention not having to pay as many vendors to sell food. I’m surprised it was actually 7500, I figured it’d be a lot less.
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 22, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This whole Rec Hall thing baffles me
I know you guys love it, but the court sucks. It’s horrible. It’s outdated and slick. It’s just not a good basketball court to play on, there’s even some deadspots from dribbling. I know that from just shooting around there. I’m sure the atmosphere would be better, but at what cost?
by STU Boy on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, you misunderstood
I’m not one of the “BRING BASKETBALL BACK TO REC HALL” people, I’m just saying, why have the BJC open during winter vacation, when no students are on campus, and you’re pretty much guaranteed <10,000 in attendance? We know this AD is all about the benjamins, so wouldn’t it be cheaper to just move it to rec hall, or are we required to play in the BJC?
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 24, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec Hall is not set up for basketball anymore
It’s simply impossible. The cost would be entirely too much.
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by psuphiman80 on Dec 25, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they still had hoops in there, no?
My bad if I hadn’t noticed that. I’m usually paying more attention to the ladies playing v-ball when I’m in Rec Hall.
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 25, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Penn State hoops
Does Joe Paterno try to keep the men’s basketball team down and out? I mean there is no excuse for a 206 RPI rating with Bethune Cookman ranked about the Lions. I wonder because despite all the saintly comments made about him Joe is an attention hog. It may be safe to conclude that although the Big Ten is a great fit for Penn State football the Big East would have been a much better fit for basketball. I hope the three schools being considered as expansion candidates – Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pitt – seriously look at the potential waste land effect Big Ten hoops would have on their programs. Rutgers is already in the hoops waste land but Syracuse & Pitt are top ten teams.
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