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Odds are.  The Big Ten bowl season starts tomorrow:

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And lines have shaken out.  With a total of seven games, only two teams (Penn State and Minnesota) are favored, and both by under a field goal.   But only two of the five dogs are getting a touchdown or more as dogs.

It's hard to see the results work out to be anything except meah.  Penn State is probably the best-suited team of the whole lineup, and that's not encouraging.  No games are safe wins, and Northwestern and Michigan State are likely losers.  Most likely optimistic yet realistic scenario seems to be a 4-3 record, with 2-5 possible and 0-7 in the cards.

Although with last year's pathetic 1-6, all you can really hope for is improvement.

But there is this: bowl record isn't nearly as important as BCS performance.  And forgive me for not putting a lot of stock in an Iowa team that will be starting a quarterback who's been injured for two month and Ohio State going to the Rose Bowl with a guy who is so focused he didn't even pack the right cloths for the trip.

Star-divide

There isn't much more to be said.  There is a nice wrap up of the Meyer situation for those of you dead to the college football world over the past two days:

To recap: first it was reported that Meyer was retiring after the Sugar Bowl. Then it was speculated that he might return to coach college or professional football someday. On Sunday afternoon, it was reported that rather than resign, he would take an indefinite leave of absence. Now Meyer believes he will coach in fall 2010.

In short...if Meyer is to believed, he will only miss a couple of early-season games next season before returning to the team, and I doubt that he will remove himself entirely from recruiting or other off-season duties. There you have it.

Nothing could have possibly changed medically over the 24 hours between when bloggers were writing dramatic odes to the end of the Florida dynasty to when Meyer came out Sunday and said his "gut" told him the break would not even extend through the 2010 season.

Whatever the bug is that pulls Farve back into the ring again and again, Meyer seems to have caught the coaching equivalent even with major stress-related health concerns directly in his path.

Sandbaggers. We saw one of the ugly sides of a playoff yesterday:

With his 14-0 Colts holding a five-point lead over the visiting New York Jets late in the third quarter, the first-year coach pulled Peyton Manning(notes) in favor of rookie Curtis Painter(notes). It was the football equivalent of waving the white flag. New York would go on to score 19 unanswered points, thus handing Indianapolis its first loss of 2009.

And this is a kind of warning shot to large scale playoff proponents.  The NFL takes 12 teams to the playoffs, and you've got one of the top dogs in the league tanking games for the sake of health.

There is likely a balance, but those that think this kind of thing would be impossible even with an eight-team playoff are kidding themselves.

But let's get one thing clear.  This isn't in any way logical (from the link above):

If the Colts lose in the playoffs next month, some will look back on today's decision as the catalyst for said loss.

Losing a meaningless game with your backups in, all a ploy to stay healthy and actually benefit you down the road, cannot possibly be a catalyst for losing in the playoffs.

In scores of other games.  Weis may be headed to the Bills to coach...BHPG talking Daryll Clark in their usual fashion...The Drake stays focused...and PennLive's CapOne preview.

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The lines, if you want them.

They’ve been on here before but some have settled from the open:

Wisc +3
Minn -2.5
NW +7
OSU +3.5
PSU -2.5
MSU +8
Iowa +3.5

So the Big Ten is getting 20 points total.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Colts game

It’s hilarious the way these things go: The Colts pull Peyton and the analysts are outraged. Two years ago the Patriots left Brady in this type of game and the analysts were… outraged.

These guys make their money second guessing everything, there is no right answer, there is only contrarianism in this case.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 28, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Fu*k that meaningless game BS. If you don’t play every play, let alone every game, to win, don’t play at all… In high school football and college football all the time, the goal is to go undefeated. At what point do these stellar high school and college athletes lose this competitive edge and accept defeat?

There is no way in hell Payton Manning was happy about being pulled and saying the fu*k with an undefeated season… If I were a colts fan I would be pissed. As an organization I would be embarrassed.

What colts did in an insult to competition and should be criticized for it.

I can’t recall the outrage over Brady being left in. Belicheck made it very clear he wanted to try for the undefeated season. Brady played because he needed to play for them to win. Nothing wrong with that…

by WETSU on Dec 28, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You get nothing out of an undefeated season.

And the Colts know that. Leaving the morals of competition aside, the coach and players have much more to gain for success in the playoffs than finishing off some 500-ish teams in weeks 15 and 16.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

*from success

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Get Nothing?

You don’t think being the 2nd undefeated team in NFL history is anything?

I do.

If you’re a team like the Colts, ESPECIALLY the Colts where most of the guys already have rings, you damn better go for immortality.

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by Adam Bittner on Dec 28, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing

except an undefeated season… which doesn’t happen in the NFL, ever…

by WETSU on Dec 28, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think the Patriots

would trade that season in for a SB?

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's the problem

“HELLO! YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME”

A system that encourages anything other than that is damn stupid.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Dec 28, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It's in the context of college

Otherwise I’d be with you in my indifference.

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Dec 28, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the playoffs in the NFL

We should just allow SEC teams to play. They’d dominate. Also, no teams from NFC West as they are inferior and unable to make the Super Bowl.

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? I love them?

My favorite is when 2 teams from the same division play for a 3rd time in a season. One team could have lost the first 2, but the one in the playoffs is the REAL one.

by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Strange

Aren’t the Cardinals from the NFC West? And didn’t they make last year’s Super Bowl? They, of course, LOST to the Steelers.

One for the thumb, and all that.

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by 06Lion on Dec 28, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

What? That’s not even a relavent question. I’m sure they would. Anyone would.

 Are you saying the Colts losing to the Jets mean they’re going to win the SB becuase the lost? NO.

by WETSU on Dec 28, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They're better prepared for the playoffs

by not losing people in week 15 in injury. That’s the logic.

I could care less about the Colts or the NFL playoffs, but coaches need to win the playoffs to keep their jobs, and if that means taking one to the Giants then I guess they have to deal with it.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I get the logic and yet it doesn’t make sense. People are just as likely to get hurt in the first 5 minutes of the game as you are the last 5 minutes.

I’ll agree to disagree because we could go on forever.

One last hypothetical. If the colts to go on the run the table and win the SB, do you think they’ll be thinking…, man, I wish we would have finihed off the Jets when we had the chance. We could be undefeated SB champions right now?

by WETSU on Dec 28, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree to disagree.

One question: did the colts pull most of the starters, or just Manning? Sure losing Manning for a rookie sucks, but the FAIL in this one seems to be on the defense, not the offense.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Not even sure. I think they pulled Clark too becasue he didn’t do shitt for me in fantasy… Painter was the problem. He couldn’t even manage the team to just hold on. He had two turnovers himself and one was inside his own 20.

by WETSU on Dec 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It looked like all starting skill players were pulled.

The go-ahead TD was scored due to a Curtis Painter fumble. The Colts never recovered.

I would have preferred to see Caldwell let his starters finish the game. If they lose with the starters in, then the perfect season is over and they all sit next week. It seemed obvious that the players were unhappy about sitting out.

However, the biggest concern raised by most “experts” is that the Colts won their SB when they let the starters play, instead of resting the team. It seems the Colts have had trouble winning in the playoffs coming off a bye week (which wouldn’t matter this year anyway, since they locked up homefield last week). Some were saying that Peyton and Austin Collie need more time to gel before the playoffs, others are saying that the rest kills their playoff momentum.

That said, if the Colts don’t make the SB, it’s not Caldwell’s fault for pulling them in the second half of a game in week 16.

by The Mexican't on Dec 28, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the outrage...

is pulling the starters when you were winning. It would be understandable to pull them if you were down a couple of scores and you said “oh well, we gave it a shot”. The Colts quit, while winning.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Time to beat the dead horse!

The Colts have clinched home field advantage, so the game is completely meaningless.

On the other hand, consider an 8-team college FB playoff scenario where you have home field advantage (bowls no longer in their traditional locations). In that scenario, even the #1 seed is likely to have an incentive to play hard to the end, as a loss at the end of the season would drop you out of home field advantage. Hypothetically, if PSU were this #1 seed and had a chance to bring a southern school to Happy Valley in December, you better believe the starting QB stays in there until the game is in hand.

Naturally, all of this is hypothetical.

by coachKofPA on Dec 28, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

The following is the only situation I can think of where a playoff would be a problem:

Michigan finishes the season 10-2 tied with 9-2 Iowa who also beat Michigan. Iowa plays Ohio State in the last game of the season, and Ohio State is 11-0 and clinched home field advantage in the playoff as all the only undefeated team in the nation… Michigan needs Ohio State to win to make the playoffs and… oops sorry Michigan, Ohio State hates you and has no reason to play their starters. Sorry about that. Ohio State loses the game on purpose, and in effect screws Michigan out of a playoff berth.

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by millzners on Dec 28, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

this is basically the scenerio for the Steelers this wkend

Cincinnati wins and there is a chace the Steelers are in the playoffs. Cincinnati loses and no chance. And the Bungles hate the Steelers so I am not hopeful.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Dec 28, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Definately hypothetical.

The day you see a meaningful bowl game played in State College in January is the day I turn in my badge and gun. The bowls will always be warm weather or dome based games. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, I’m just saying there will never be home field advantage for PSU in the bowl or playoff system. Except for the fact that we travel like geese. There’s that.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 28, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The day you see a meaningful bowl game played in State College in January"

except he was talking about a playoff game, which COULD (but probably won’t) have teams play in their home fields, if anything because it would be very hard to mobilize two fan bases to go to a distant neutral site, but with home field at least one of the teams has many thousands of willing fans just a short drive away. There is, of course, still the logistics problem of planning the games on short notice (especially if the team doesn’t control its own home field), but it is definitely doable.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with Junny

An 8-team playoff, which wont happen, would still likely use “neutral” southern sites for games. I suspect the crapy host cities we’ve seen so far would gladly trade in their #7 v MAC deal for one of the 1st or 2nd round games.

Florida and Alabama had clinched their division with one game to go, and if the point is to qualify by winning your league, there is incentive to relax in that game leading up to the league championship.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They would never allow a Dec-Jan game to be played by a home team in Madison or Ann Arbor.

Logistical and other travel problem for fans would get jammed up. More importantly, if they were going to open up the cities to potentially rotate, they would let cities bid huge dollar and incentive packages to get those games.

by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not seeing the logistical/travel problems.

If we’re not talking neutral site, and your Madison or Ann Arbor examples are true home games, they’ll be packed no matter what the weather brings. Can you imagine State College being anything less than packed to take on even a team like Boise State for a shot at a national title?

by jimbo2psu on Dec 28, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

If the visiting team gets a normal championship game type allotment, say 20,000 tickets, and travel is a problem, then a definite yes.

by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

However

If a school knows it is falling short of fulfilling its allotment, it usually does something to fix it(give tix back, give them away, etc etc) So, PSU fans could very well get their hands on them.

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by Roland86 on Dec 28, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the point of home field advantage

If the other teams fans get half of the seats? It should be like a regular season game in terms of visiting team ticket allotment. Then schools will definitely not rest their starters as homefield advantage becomes even more important not only to having the crowd on your side, but the revenue it brings it for the school/surrounding city.

by skarocksoi on Dec 28, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd imagine even if they use the "home field" route

the championship game (and maybe even the semi-finals) would be like the Super Bowl and be in a host city in warm weather. The earlier round(s) could still be home games, though.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 29, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Time to beat the dead horse(s)!

haha see what i did there?

We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.

by mikeissurreal on Dec 29, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Iowa could go all Georgia on Georgia Tech for one reason:

Georgia Tech has no defense. They have one player (a defensive end). That’s it.

Ohio State will be outcoached again. Penn State will win. Minnesota has Tim Brewster and Iowa State doesn’t. Northwestern can’t win a bowl game to save their lives. Michigan State is screwed. Wisconsin has no quality wins.

2 wins. Ta da. I predict progress this year.

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

So Penn State will beat LSU...

but Wisconsin has no shot against a comparable Miami team because…Wisconsin has no quality wins???

by jimbo2psu on Dec 28, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's not just that

Wisconsin doesn’t really have any of those fabled “skill players” as far as I know.

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

John Clay?

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

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by Roland86 on Dec 28, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think NW has a shot?

I know it’s an OMG ESSS EEEE CEEEE team, but not exactly the cream of the crop of the SEC this year. NW barely lost last year against Mizzou. I think with Kafka back and a decent defense, they have a moderately good shot at pulling off the upset.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 28, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

they had

it won last year. just saying…

We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.

by mikeissurreal on Dec 29, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

NW

I rather like Northwestern against Auburn. Auburn is nothing special. In fact, I think besides MSU/Texas Tech that the Big Ten has pretty decent shots in all their games.

by Laaaaazzz on Dec 28, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

we may have a better shot with the leach fiasco

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George S Patton

by psu in the w-b on Dec 28, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm very nervous

about the Big 10 right now, the conference will have to win before I’m sold on it being any better.

RE: Colts. It’s a slippery slope if you stop playing to win. In 2005 the Colts quit playing to win with the #1 seed wrapped up, but they were obviously rusty when they lost to the Steelers that year in the playoffs. IMO this is a bad move by them.

by Joe 96alum on Dec 28, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

i was thinking the same thing

how did resting your starters work out last time? oh yeah, you lost…congrats…totally do that again.

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by thedrizzle on Dec 28, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Devil's Advocate

Or Devil’s Advocate’s Advocate, as the above comments are pretty anti-B10. Since I’ve already assumed the pro-2010 stance, I figured I’ll dig the ditch even deeper and assume the pro-2009 Bowl Season stance. Someone has to do it!

Wiscy – Miami is Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. I don’t know which one was really the bad guy, but if that Miami team comes to play, Wiscy can take this game. JOHN CLAY IS GOODS!1

Minney – They have Tim Brewster and have traditionally done well on Thursday nights. And Iowa State is, presumably, from Iowa. So there’s that.

Northwestern – Pat Fitzgerald. Next.

PSU – SPIKE THE BALL!

Ohio State – I really can’t root for them. I hope we go 6-1.

Iowa – See Rambler’s comment above about Joe Cox. Man I bet that guy got some shit in school.

Sparty – Is Graham Harrell still there? Crabtree? Ok, good.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 28, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Now, this stance

That you’re assuming; is it a wide one?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 28, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Relatively speaking.

I’m no oompa-loompa, and I haven’t done geometry since 8th grade, but I don’t know how wide a 6’5" stance could get. I guess it depends on flexibility, leg length, etc.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 28, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Or if you're in an airport men's room?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 28, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Only in Minnesota. Luckily, I've never been.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 28, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean the Metrodome's mens room?

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by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 28, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

She had an exceptionally wide stance.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 28, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That whole thing was so disturbing when you read the whole story

Especially when you saw her picture.

It’s like if I found my grandmother in the men’s room at Beaver Stadium. Eww.

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually don't identify with the word disturbing

but I thought about its Latin root meaning (disturbāre: to agitate) and agree with you here. It was a pretty disturbing story. Dudette lost her job right after that. She’s got three kids. Coulda been drugged. Crazy stuff.

To say nothing of your grandmother.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 28, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the optimism

but jNW and UW did nothing this year that made me want to pick them to win. And Sparty’s pass defense? How do they keep TT from scoring 40 points?

by Joe 96alum on Dec 28, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Also: half of Sparty’s team being suspended.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 28, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, there is that.

But they’ve got Dantonio! He can manage a game like it’s nobody’s business.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 28, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

MICH ST WINS

I am 1-8 thus far in my bowl pick’em, and I picked Texas Tech. For this reason alone I am certain MSU rolls.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 28, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i picked Texas Tech as well

and i am 8-1 in my Bowl Picks

so there is hope for you.

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by amandakt on Dec 28, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Northwestern did nothing?

Neither did Auburn.

They beat one FBS team in like 6 weeks.

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling...

that with about 8 minutes left in the 2nd Quarter of the Rose Bowl, Brent M. is going to make some snide remark about how it has been a long day for the Big Ten, again.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

You guys are going to win. Big.

Because I saw a guy wearing a Penn State hoodie at Sherlock Holmes last night. I live in California. Good karma dudes. Now go chew LSU a new asshole or two.

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by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 29, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Let me guess....

you heard their was a shirtless scene featuring Robert Downey Jr., so you went…because that’s like…not why I went or anything….

by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 29, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Rittenberg at ESPN....

Ohio State is playing Oregon. And apparently the teams differ because Ohio State wears the scarlet and gray, while Oregon wears something along the lines of puke green and yellow. Oh yeah…Ohio State has a good defense and Oregon likes to run the spread….

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten

Seriously. This guy has said next to nothing about the other bowl games this week. Wisconsin is playing Miami decently right now and there’s no in-game updates or anything. I know the Rose Bowl is high profile, but I really don’t remember PSU getting that much press last year.

by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 29, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

so what your saying is he follows Ohio State around?

rather than the Big10 team that earns the most prestigious bowl birth? It doesn’t make sense to me.

by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 29, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

I don’t really want to get into another ARitt discussion but that’s what it looks like.

by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 30, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

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