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Does Gary Patterson still like the BCS?

(I ask you to forgive the rambling nature of this post. We all need space to vent. Mike writes drunk posts, I write this.)

Predictable? Sure. But the predictable result, the one everyone wanted, will produce a great game. Just like last year, correct?

Isn't everyone excited? Nebraska has Nduaknonadfmong Suh and nothing else. Alabama has Mark Ingram, "Mount Cody", Rolando McClain, and the best DC in the country. Texas has a defense that hasn't stopped anyone with a pulse. Texas has a quarterback that nearly lost the game for them. Texas has a coach who needs to prove he can win the title without Vince Young.

But you know what? It's now difficult to care anymore. Just writing the above depressed me.

I don't care about debating. I don't care whether we need Pitt, I don't care if we need Iowa to lose, I don't care if we need GT to win, and I certainly don't care about the opinions of those who tell us what we are witnessing is awesome.

One reason I enjoyed rooting for Iowa this year was because it was different. Because it was a chance at having a title game that wasn't between two teams whom I dislike immensely, with two fanbases I have little respect for, and most importantly, it was a chance to have a title game with teams that didn't fit the same mold. Alabama is 2008 Florida without Percy Harvin. Texas is 2008 Oklahoma without Big Game Bob.

"Just like we drew it up, the Big 12 and the SEC.", says Scott Van Pelt, almost absent-mindedly, I suppose.

Just like they drew it up.

And, if you're wondering, yeah, I do hope Iowa is good again next year.

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"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton

by psu in the w-b on Dec 5, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just hate...

everything.

can we have a new hate week, BCS edition?

I really think the playoff system would give the opportunity to show which teams are for real down the stretch. Texas doesn’t look the part, they can squeak it out when the other team shoots themselves in the foot or can’t out-duel them, but how can they reasonably expect to do either against ’Bama.

by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 5, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm waiting for the full bowl lineup to come out

And I have every intention of finding those lesser bowls with damn good match-ups. And I plan on pimping them out every chance I get.

Sadly, it’s one of the good things about the bowl system. Don’t like the MNC game? Well, there are 40 other bowls to choose from, so I’m guessing you’ll find something to enjoy.

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 6, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't talking about minor bowl games

Those are fine, but I don’t care about them either and I never will because they’re by defintion minor bowl games. Aside from the Alamo Bowl, which is usually good.

I’m just tired of predictability.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Predictability of...?

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 6, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The MNCG and all of the hype around it

I would be happier if they wouldn’t talk about during every football game

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But, hey thanks for trying to cheer me up

Jtot’s right. This is probably a momentary thing for me.

But I will never get excited about the awesomeness that will unfold in the Rose Bowl. Twice.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See, this is why I'm kinda waiting for all the announcements

I think there can be some interesting match-ups. I’m sorry you can’t get excited about the Rose Bowl, but I’m really intrigued by those match-ups. But there are going to be other BCS games, with other potentially good match-ups. People think Florida will kill Cincy? Based on what? Florida’s outstanding offense? A defense that was exposed? These match-ups will only be as predictable as the amount you buy into ESPN’s crap.

This season, nobody is good, and you never know which team will show up. It’s like every game is Russian Roulette with EVERY TEAM.

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 6, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you.

All week I have been saying Alabama would outplay Florida all game. To be fair, I predicted a close score (13-3 or so) but with them controlling and owning the game. Florida has not impressed me. Cincy can play with them.

by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Except the other way around.

The Urban Tebow’s offense has been sad all year. It was Percy Harvin all along.

by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I agree

They don’t have a deep threat or a good fast RB

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

They’ll always be talented. I’ll go with 9-3. Clear cut loss to Alabama. Loss to either UGA or UT. And I think Jimbo Fisher pulls one out of his ass.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A win?

Or a hampster?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 6, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Demps

The poor man’s Renaldo Nehemiah

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 6, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Florida may not kill Cincy

But Bama’s offense exposed Florida by running it. This doesn’t sound like Cincy.

But, but, but, I don’t know if I’ll underestimate Brian Kelly.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't rooting against Alabama or Texas

I was rooting against ESPN. The idea of Iowa in the MNCG caused shivers in them.

Who wants an MNCG that was predicted to occur in April?

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And, also, it's late and I'm just in a strange mood tonight

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I understand

For me, I’d be upset if I felt a team that shouldn’t deserve it was going because ESPN willed it to be. But as it is, Bama and Texas went undefeated and have earned the opportunity. Would I like to see someone else – one of the little guys? Hell yes! But this is what it is. I’ll enjoy what I can, and pass on whatever isn’t as interesting – even if that includes a lackluster MNCG

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 6, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess this is my protest against the lack of playoffs

Although I didn’t intend it when I wrote the post

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is illogical

Sadly, it’s one of the good things about the bowl system. Don’t like the MNC game? Well, there are 40 other bowls to choose from

The 2 flaws in this logic are that if there was a playoff system, then people would inherently like the national championship matchup as it pits the 2 “best” teams (or at least 2 teams that were able to survive a tough playoff) in the nation against each other on the biggest stage. Right now we just place 2 of the 5 best teams that we think are better than the other 3 but have no way of proving.

The other flaw is that there aren’t any games on opposite the MNC game, so if you don’t like the MNC game then you can watch reruns of Monk or something, not one of the other bowl games (unless you DVRd them, I guess)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 7, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reflections

This season has been lackluster in so many ways. There are no elite teams, not truly Heisman-worthy players, no must-see matchups in the post season. The best bowl game we’ll have is jaOSU and Oregon; Lord I hope Oregon wins. Next you have the busters, the TCU GT game, the Boise Iowa game. Finally you have the predictable, excruciating matchups of Alabama and Texas, Florida State and Cinci. Meh.

Next season’s preseason top 10 will go like this:

Alabama
USC
Ohio State
Clemson
Oregon
Boise State
Texas
Cinci
Georgia
Iowa

I am so excited to play ‘Bama, so very excited. We haven’t faced a ranked OOC opponent in so long, and ’Bama’s certainly going to number one.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 6, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

errr Florida State = Florida, obviously

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 6, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

UGA in the top 10

That will go well

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

aren't they always?

It’s part of the ‘SEC winner must go to the MNC’ formula: you rank teams like Georgia in the top 10 every season so that whoever beats them has quality wins on their record. Even if Floribama doesn’t go undefeated they get the “quality wins” against over-ranked teams like Georgia.

It’s like insurance so that a 1 or two loss SEC team can get into the big game over an undefeated Boise, Cinci, etc.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 6, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that top 10 could change really fast...

Iowa could lose some guys to the NFL, especially on defense.
Who’s going to replace McCoy at Texas?
Isn’t Tony Pike a senior at Cincy? I guess their backup is OK.
USC is questionable at 2, I’d put them in the lower 10 because they’re clearly “rebuilding” by their own standards
OSU has a favorable schedule except for Miami in week 2

we’ll see I guess

by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 6, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think something that’s always a factor is how the teams finish this season: if you look at final season rankings vs. preseason the following year, they’re very similar even when it doesn’t make sense.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 6, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What bothers me

Is I keep being told “this is the matchup we have been waiting for all year”

False.

This is the matchup you kept telling me I wanted all year.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Dec 6, 2009 12:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

In the sense that everyone wants to make the NC game, yes it's the game we have been waiting for all year.

ESPN “BCS guru” just said that TCU fans should book tickets to play in the Fiesta against Boise State.

by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I believe the "BCS guru"

but that would mean Orange would be making the PSU/Iowa choice.

by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep hope alive

If the Fiesta defers on the B10 selection, and the Orange gets the pick, it will be very much in our favor. Penn State runs Florida, we bring the ruckus to that state every time they host a bowl there.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 6, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

cause then I will make it a vacation and hit both the FSU bowl and our Bowl. If we get Cap 1 and they get Gator, those are at the same time and I can’t go to both.

@collegiatestdms

by JGuiher on Dec 6, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In that hypothetical situation we would play GT in the Orange right? That would be a great, great matchup.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 6, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

For bring the ruckus.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 6, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TCU - Boise

Both ESPN and SI’s Mandel think it is going to happen but Jerry Palm, the original and still the best BCS numbers guy IMO, said this on twitter.

Would Fiesta really match up TCU-Boise?

jppalm: It would be a disservice to both teams and a yawner. Would save the Orange tho.

@collegiatestdms

by JGuiher on Dec 6, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

see I don't get that

Two mid-majors, two undefeated teams, two teams that are gutsy underdogs. I think it’s brilliant. I’d watch that game. They SHOULD play each other to see who’s the better mid-major team in the country.

I think they should make it a rule that if two mid majors go undefeated they have to play each other, instead of messing with the bowl lineups of the big conference teams.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 6, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I don’t want the two undefeated mid-majors in the same bowl game. Part of me wants to see TCU, Boise, and Cincy all finish the season undefeated along with the MNC. You know, just to spark some outrage and other types of fun.

Could you imagine the screaming that would happen if Texas squeaked by ’Bama in the MNC, and you have Cincy, TCU, and Boise all still undefeated after their bowls as well? It might not lead to a playoff, but damn would it be hilarious to watch the fallout.

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 6, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no, no

I could not disagree more with this. People say the mid-majors haven’t proved themselves because they haven’t played anyone, well you people won’t let them prove themselves and that’s the whole point!

TCU would probably stand a fair chance against Florida, but we can’t let Orrin Hatch ruin this whole thing, now can we?

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But it proves absolutely nothing

One of them will remain undefeated, and what have we learned? Nothing. We will never know whether we should actually be giving these mid-majors a chance at the MNC when they play ridiculously poor conferences and schedules. We’ll never know if they actually deserve to be sneaking into the top ten every year by gliding through said schedules.

And you know what will happen the next year? The same thing. One or more of them will go undefeated, and we’ll have no gauge as to how good or not they are because the BCS made them play each other, which could either be putting two deserving top ten teams against each other, or essentially sacrificing the Fiesta for a cripple fight.

I’ve argued before that I’m extremely skeptical of these teams based on the schedules they play and the level of competition they face each week, and unfortunately I came off as a bit of a douchebag, but even I admit that I would rather see both of them play BCS conference teams than play each other. And while no one wants to risk the Oklahoma Death Scenario from 2006, putting two mid-majors in the same bowl isn’t the answer. Well, it is the answer for the BCS, who will gain more by sacrificing one of the bowls to create better, more exciting matchups for the other BCS bowls.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 6, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plus, they played each other in a bowl game last year. I think things would be more interesting with an Iowa vs TCU, and a GT vs Boise State match up

by MrBrianPSU on Dec 7, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rambler....

Please get mad, offended and or annoyed again…you do your best work when under these conditions…..I absolutely HATE the bufoons from ESPN…..Van Pelt only verified what we have all been thinking anyways……we saw some really awful calls in some of the games yesterday (officials making sure the teams they had ensconsed for certain bowls were protected) and WE sit or stand here like maroons thinking otherwise…..John Saunders and his grinning ilk make me wanna wretch, but I guess I can do that without him; however, when I think that, here comes Coach Lou and the Biggest A$$ Mark May…..so on this beautiful cold AM in PA, I beg you, HATE>>>HATE and despise all that they stand for…WE ARE !!! See you at the Bowl Selections !!!

by DerryPharmer on Dec 6, 2009 7:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Officials

We’ve been seeing it all season. Yesterday was just another page in the long, unfinished book of conference officiating. It points out the need for a national referee system, where they can be accounted for and/or punished for extremely bad or missed calls. We’ve seen far too many bad or missed calls from refs who have a conflict of interest by officiating the conferences that are employing them. It’s really getting pathetic, but this is a whole other can of worms.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 6, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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