The BCS Is Patient, And So We Wait
by KevinHD on Dec 6, 2009 10:28 AM EST
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The SBN site BCS Revolution asks the question: Is there a reason to stay up all night running the numbers? And of course and answer is no. Not one single vote or computer position matter, mostly because we've had one of the least memorable national races in years.
The Alabama-Florida game was a good one, Cinci toyed with hearts in Pittsburgh in an entertainingly ugly win, Nebraska fell short in their attempt to screw the whole thing up in the most heartbreaking of ways, but in the end it comes down to this: Media and coaching voters simply aren't going to bump a national and historic power from the #2 spot, and we're getting the MNC everyone has expected for months now.
The only real drama today is the football vs. money debate between Penn State and Iowa. One school will play Monday, January 4th against what looks like Boise State, the other on New Year's Day at 1 p.m. against LSU.
The BCS selection show is tonight at 8 p.m. on Fox. May the most lucrative school win.
Update: Interesting sourceless-rumor from Tim Brando:
[3:00 p.m. update -- After a morning of badly sourced rumors indicating that the Fiesta might pair up two small-conference undefeateds, signs now point toward Iowa in the Fiesta and Penn State in the Capital One vs. LSU. -- RUTS]
Let's do this one more time for kicks. In a sign that there is truly no accurate information out there, from the NYT:
No matter what ends up actually happening in two hours, the one thing we know for sure is that everyone was wrong about everything at one point today.
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They are continuing to report
The projections are
Alabama Texas
jaOSU Oregon
Boise TCU
Iowa GT
Florida Cinci
If it comes down to the Orange bowl, it should be noted we have an enormous Alumni Association group down in Florida and we will definitely be the more lucrative pick over Iowa. So if it comes down to the Orange, as people are projecting, I really like our chances.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I actually think Orange vs GaTech and CapOne vs. LSU are nice options.
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
I’m very surprised the Orange would pick Iowa over Penn State. Unless they don’t want to face the PR of picking against the head-to-head, because from a $ perspective Penn State seems like a no-brainer.
BSD
We will see if it's true,
but there is a LOT of chatter that Boise-TCU is a done deal. I’m undecided yet if it’s idiotic or absolutely brilliant if true. The thing is, as of now I feel certain I would watch (think about Jerry Hughes chasing down Clemens as he rolls out of the pocket), but when push comes to shove will I?
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
That's a bit too conspiracy theory for my taste.
Above all else, they are ABC, all bout cash. If they had data showing a TCU-BSU match up being a huge dollar sink hole, I don’t think they would do it.
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I think you have to look net, though.
Maybe TCU-BSU is a sink hole, but they make up enough ground on Big Ten-GT to make it worth it.
But I’ll still push the conspiracy theory. If BSU and TCU both win against major schools, it puts more pressure on the BCS to pick mid-majors, which has a major negative impact on bowl revenue down the road.
BSD
I guess I'm not sure exactly how they share revenue.
Is each BCS game primarily responsible for their own revenue generation? Or is it shared to the extent the conferences share bowl/tv money?
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
But I’ll still push the conspiracy theory. If BSU and TCU both win against major schools, it puts more pressure on the BCS to pick mid-majors, which has a major negative impact on bowl revenue down the road.
This is the best argument I’ve seen as to why Boise State/TCU might happen. It isn’t for the money or ratings potential, but it could be a preemptive strike to keep the BCS bowls in the same money making roles while diffusing some of the criticism of the system.
It’s also worth noting that the Fiesta is going to be stuck with either Boise St or TCU, so they might be “taking one for the team” among the bowls and taking both, while having the other bowls owe them which they might be able to cash in down the road.
Sheeesh
I may have to make “Does Gary Patterson still like the BCS?” my signature.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
This year
but everything I’ve read says they don’t care since it’s the last year of the contract and the ads are all sold.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 6, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
But it still matters
The higher the ratings this year the more they charge for ads next year. I said this over at BHGP but I don’t understand how any logical person can suggest that the bowls and TV networks don’t care about the ratings.
BSD
Agreed
FOX might not care a lot since they’ve probably already sold their air time. But the bowls would care a lot since their ratings over time will have a huge impact in how much they can sell their TV rights for. It’s silly to think that TV ratings won’t play a significant role in the decision making process.
Poor choice there.
ABC was meant as in the basics ABCs, not a reference to the network.
Agreed
Give them a chance to play someone else so the haters don’t get to say “they’d have both been blown off the field by Real Teams” unless it actually happens.
awesome options
I do not want to play Boise
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Brando
Timmy B is a pretty plugged in guy it seems, so that’s really interesting. He’s an enormous SEC homer, but he HATES the BCS. This may turn out to be very interesting.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Tony Barnhart
is a reporter for the ATL paper. One of the top college football writers in the country. Very plugged in to the powers that be. He first started reporting that rumor last night after Texas won.
http://www.rivalryesq.com/
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 6, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone who was
in the Press Box at the Texas game is reporting TCU vs Boise.
@collegiatestdms
Yeah Brando is a ridicuous SEC homer
He called yesterday’s SEC championship the greatest atmosphere in the history of college football.
I heard him say that
and I about died laughing.
Forde, Mandel and Brando are all reporting TCU vs Boise.
@collegiatestdms
What else could it be
it sure as hell wasn’t the best game. Since it’s the SEC, it’s got to be the best something, right?
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 6, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
man I really wanna take money from iowa
and seeing PSU in Miami two days after the Steelers sounds like good times
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
We don't take money from Iowa.
As long as a b10 team goes, we all make the same amount.
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 6, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well, we do take a little
The bowl payouts are split evenly after expenses, and you would most likely get a bigger allowance for expenses at a BCS game.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
We'd take something a little more critical
Opportunity. It’d be a big blow and would effectively be Holdin em Down. But not in the cool hip-hop sense. More like an unnecessarily and not in a hot way dominant gf keeping her thumb on your head, we’d be denying them a step on the ladder to Upper Tier Program. They acknowledge as much, and fear it.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
If this is true, I can't help but think it was done SPECIFICALLY to get us in, and into a "decent" matchup.
There have to be some under-the-table deals, but it really does feel like the Fiesta dove on a grenade (one “intriguing” matchup, rather than two clearly awful ones). Bringing us into a GT matchup that NOBODY would watch if it was against Cinci, the mid-majors or, I believe, Iowa, brings a lot more money into the game.
Plus, you then have the injustice-of-it-all hype, the old coach vs. the old offense spin, etc.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Excuse the language, but "bullshit" is the only word that can describe TCU vs. Boise
We’re that desperate to stop the SEC from getting embarassed again?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
Yeah
I hadn’t thought about it thi way until today, but it is essentially the BCS putting Boise and TCU at the kiddy table. I think it’s kind of a cool matchup, but it is shady.
by speedomike on Dec 6, 2009 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It can be spun either way, really.
Nobody’s under an obligation to include Boise in anything.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Who else could they take?
There isn’t a second eligible Pac-10 team, probably won’t be a second Big XII or Big East team. Can’t take a third Big Ten or SEC team. The only teams that are likely to be eligible are Boise, VT, and BYU.
If I ran the Fiesta, I’d jump all over a PSU/Iowa versus Va Tech game (the Orange will probably take TCU if the Fiesta takes a Big Ten team with their first pick) and say screw Boise St. A PSU/Iowa versus Va Tech game would actually do pretty well in terms of ticket sales and TV ratings, more so than anything involving TCU or Boise St.
But the BCS bowls seem to be apt to bow down to popular pressure and avoid looking like jerks by bypassing an undefeated Boise St to pick up a 3 loss Va Tech.
meh
I’d rather watch Boise in a bowl game than VaTech.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Because of the geography involved
It’s likely Boise would sell more tickets in Phoenix than 9-3 VT would. Basically, Boise lucked out on the selection order; if the Sugar were picking 1st or 2nd (after the title game replacements), then Boise would very likely be staying home.
1. Boise really isn’t all that close to Phoenix. It’s still a flight, not a drive unless you have a lot of time.
2. Boise St really doesn’t have that many fans. Even if a huge percentage of them go to a bowl game, it’s still not a lot of fans in terms of absolute numbers.
I live in CA; I realize this
But it’s a loong way from Blacksburg to Phoenix; Boise to Phoenix is a short direct flight or a 2-day drive. Blacksburg is a drive to Richmond or Raleigh, and a flight with a connection; driving is completely impossible.
I think there's also a rule
That non-BCS conferences can only get one bid per conference, so BYU would also be ineligible
Don't think that's true
There’s a rule that only one non-BCS can auto-qualify, but I think the per-conference limit is the same as for the BCS conferences. Also probably irrelevant, as if they’re going to take a non-BCS team for the last slot it’s obviously going to be Boise, not BYU.
The good thing about these teams getting into the BCS
is seeing how they fare against the big boys. This whole scenario is a huge screw job to fans of both teams (and college football fans in general). We will learn virtually nothing about these teams from this game.
We saw this game last year
except they called it the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Not true at all.
The good thing about these games is a big payout for all the teams in that conference. Money they wouldn’t otherwise get. If TCU-BSU eliminates the possibility of BSU getting left out, it’s a good thing for them and a great thing for they’re conference.
Not at this point
Once Oklahoma St lost their last game, Boise St going to the BCS became a virtual certainty.
Don't worry
The Big East can embarass the SEC quite effectively. Remember WVU/Georgia 2005?
Bwaahahahaha.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/weis-married-carroll-living-with-a-grad-student-27311
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions
Just read that
I don’t know what’s more pathetic. Pete Carroll if it’s true, or Charlie Weis for bringing it up whether true or not.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Either way
I’m enjoying it in a cheap, superficial way.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
You know what.
I don’t agree with Weis at all. How is Carroll’s job not as high-profile as Weis’? He’s in LA, which is a slightly bigger media market then South Bend. The program is arguably the most “popular” in the country b/c of their success. And USC isn’t exactly traditionless. I feel like the statement would have made much more sense if he compared himself to some MAC school or even a place like Purdue.
But then it’s even stranger that none of the TMZs out in LA picked this rumor up on their own.
BSD
I don't know
Notre Dame is Notre Dame, they have their own TV network for chrissakes.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Although
they are getting more irrelevant by the year.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I got ya
I agree with Charlie to a degree (on the level of scrutiny). I feel like fans of CFB know the popularity of USC, though the national media will pick on / prop up Notre Dame just b/c it’s ND.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
maybe because it is unsubstantied crap.
heard an intersting stat The enquirer has only been sued sucessfully twice in its existance
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
"sued successfully"
I’m sure they settle everything, probably with confidentiality agreement.
LOL true but still
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cause it really can't be easily proven.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
In fairness to Weis
I think that the mores are different in LA than they are in South Bend and in “ND Nation.”
But I don’t really want to be fair to Weis. This is just one more example of how incredibly petty and ironically small the man is.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
That's a bit of a wild assumption
Just because Weis is an a-hole (sorry, unemployed a-hole), doesn’t mean he’d cheat on his wife with a grad student. Plus it’s Notre-freaking-Dame as in “We’re hollier than thou, and we know it!” ©
Not only would Weis be fired from ND immediately for some violating some ethics clause in his contract (I don’t know how many schools actually have infidelity clauses in their contracts, but I’d be willing to bet ND is one of them), the student would probably be punished as well, or at least harassed and ridiculed to the point of having to drop out of ND.
Hey guys what
Florida is #2 in Sagarin’s computer ranking, both overall and the BCS version.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm?loc=interstitialskip
BSD
Sagarin is having an awful year.
He’s usually my go-to any time I want a “fair” ranking that goes beyond the top 25, but his formulas, all of them really, have been in very bad shape all year IMO. Also, I sent him an email trying to understand why and apparently pissed him off pretty badly. Seems like a good guy once he calms down though.
BSD
Oh
and Penn State is still out of the 25, all the down at frickin 32. Pitt is at 20 and 5-loss Clemson is ahead of us.
BSD
Ugh
When you get out of whack results like that something has to be changed. How does that even happen?
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
You know, if we get picked ahead of Iowa
I really want Iowa fans to get pissed off, not at us since it’s not our fault, but at the BCS. They won the head to head, are more deserving of a bid, despite the same record. Create more controversies with the BCS system being unfair and the dark side of capitalism (not that I’m arguing for communism, just a better system or a playoff that doesn’t favor money and greed instead of good matchups).
Money and greed have always fueled an attempt at the best match up for the bowls.
If you don’t like the system, you need to vote with your dollar (or the equivalent) and not watch the games. And not consume the product as packaged.
sigh, in that respect they've got everyone by the balls, including me
there’s no way I won’t be watching/going
I don't think that'll make much of a difference
That’s small compared to 2000. Miami beat FSU in 2000 and had the same record and FSU was picked ahead of them for the MNCG. Nebraska got crushed in the BXII championship game and still got in ahead of 11-1 Oregon. Not to mention all the other controversies (Auburn, Florida vs. Michigan, Oklahoma vs. Texas).
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I usually refer to Colley
Partly because I know his formula and it seems entirely reasonable. (Then again, if you put in the games played this week it still comes out with 10-2 Oregon ahead of a 12-0 Boise State team that beat Oregon.)
I prefer Colley as well
The only one I wish I could find more information on is Anderson and Hester. The basics sound good, but they do something differently than Colley, and I’d like to know what that is.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
FYI
I updated the post, but Mandel is saying he “wouldn’t be surprised” to see PSU in the Orange.
BSD
All signs starting to point toward Miami.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we go to the orange for spite at this point
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
this all feels like some sort of consolation prize ceremony
and the TCU vs. Boise State match up seems too convenient.
The worst part in my eyes is that it solves absolutely nothing
They can’t prove just how good or bad they are to anyone. One of them will finish the year undefeated, and the same argument will be made next year, and the year after until the BCS is destroyed.
I think that would be the point. No reason for the BCS bowls to give any ammunition to the “the non-BCS conferences deserve more access” argument by having them defeat some BCS conference teams.
They are taking away the ammunition by giving Boise access at all, if this is true.
You can’t argue they don’t have access if more teams than you HAVE to take get in. If matching them up against each other is the best way to maximize revenue and get “deserving” teams in, then they are doing that.
If the BCS system were an 80 Spanglish rock band
they would look like this
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby
Screw This
I wanna go to Orlando…
I have family down there, and I was just gonna set up camp for both bowls for a cheap trip.
Plz no Miamiz…
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
When he said "Louisiana State"
I had a breakdown before I realized that was LSU. Hahahaha
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
me too!
I was like “Louisiana State…who dat?”
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I always read that and think Louisiana Tech.
How could you NOT be sure it was him?
The guy looks like the stereotypical alien, and is one of the most recognizable figures in the media, lol. (btw, that’s not an attack on a political pundit, since I usually agree with the guy)
Updated our post again.
Jones thought earlier in the day that the Fiesta folks were floating Boise-TCU as a trial balloon to gauge reaction.
http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2009/12/fiesta_takes_temperatures_on_b.html
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I hope that trial balloon pops
I want to see how Boise State and TCU would do against someone other than each other, especially since they just played each other last year in the Poinsettia Bowl. If the matchups are, say, Boise State vs Iowa in the Fiesta, TCU vs Georgia Tech in the Orange, and throw in Cincinnati vs Florida in the Sugar (I know UC isn’t technically a mid-major, but whatever), I could see the little guys going 3-0 pretty easily. While I’d like to see Penn State in the BCS, I won’t at all be upset if we’re playing LSU in the Citrus Bowl.
Let's Go State!
I love ESPN Passport
Just got my 15th venue in.
http://travel.espn.go.com/travel/passport/venues?uid=36630
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
That looks pretty interesting...
Just wish I could remember what games I saw at Fenway, Wrigley, etc….
I keep all my ticket stubs
So it wasn’t too hard
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
My too, I am up to 26 or 28 or something
Puts me in the top 500. Wife doesn’t find it so cool
@collegiatestdms
Cool
I’m pretty limited in my sports venue spots, especially since some times I’ve seen concerts at venues I’ve never watched sports in. I’m pretty sure my list is:
Beaver Stadium
Bryce Jordan
Spectrum (Philly, now demolished)
Wachovia Center (Philly, although I can’t remember if I’ve ever seen sports there, I went to see The Who play there a few years ago)
Veteran’s Stadium (Philly, now also gone)
Blue Rocks Stadium (Delaware, I believe it’s the Phillies’ farm team)
I think that’s it, I’m really not a big pro sports fan. I’ve got Pittsburgh native parents and grew up in the Philly suburbs of Delaware County, so I didn’t grow up an Eagles fan, and my parents never really pushed the P-burgh teams on me)
Saw Celery get thrown at that guy at a Wilco concert
Just added to the awesomeness.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Hmmm...
BHGP reporting Iowa is going to Phoenix….
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2009/12/6/1188224/time-to-write-it-in-pen-iowa-will
If true, it seems to be news to ESPN
I guess they need to hype the selection show so they aren’t gonna confirm anything yet…
Except it might be a breach of contract
if ESPN were to report selections as being a done deal before FOX announces them tonight
Let's Go State!
Good. Now there's no real downside to losing in our bowl game (aside from the regular anger that comes with losing)
Iowa better represent and crush BSU because if they lose I will be so f***ing embarrassed for the Big Ten.
Transitive Property Alert
They did beat Oregon, who I think is better than Iowa. That aside, people need to start giving teams like BSU and Utah respect, considering what they’ve done the last time they were in BCS games.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
TCU is probably the best team in the country. I'm still holding out for a TCU Bama matchup
Screw Boise this year though
What about….
1. The fact that Boise St is 1-4 in their last 5 bowl games, including losses to the likes of East Carolina, TCU, and Louisville. Why should that 1 bowl win, three years ago, mean that much?
2. If we are considering the Boise St and Utah wins, do we get to count the Hawai’i blow out as well?
Sure, but don't forget to include our blowout loss to USC
and struggling to beat a not-so-great FSU. It’s the fact that they ran the table this year and can win. Some people wanted us in a BCS game and we haven’t beaten a good team all year and looked like a steaming pile of sheet against the good teams on our schedule, and BSU’s best win is better than any of Iowa’s.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 6, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody was arguing that PSU deserved to be in the BCS based on on the field results. Only that PSU would have brought more money to the bowls than other available at large candidates. So bringing up PSU is a red herring.
I’m just saying that the people pointing to Boise St’s bowl win over Oklahoma — from three years ago — as justification of them deserving a BCS bowl bid is silly. It’s one game and it doesn’t mean they’ll be competitive in 2009 any more than their loss to East Carolina in a bowl means they’ll be awful. It’s meaningless to the 2009 Boise St team.
If you want to justify Boise St’s inclusion in the BCS based on their undefeated 2009 record, that’s cool. But bringing up a bowl game from 2006 doesn’t add anything to their resume, especially if you are going to ignore bowl results from more recent seasons.
People like to discount teams like BSU b/c they’re a "mid-major". Not saying that PSUinBosston was, just playing the devil’s advocate and stating that they beat Oregon, who I, and right now the voters (now that’s saying something), believe is better than Iowa.
In regards to the BCS, I was merely saying that they’ve been there before and won. Can they lose? Sure. I was just showing that yes, they can play with the big boys and it was only meant to complement the fact that they are 13-0 and have the highest margin of victory in the nation.
by Screen Name 20 on Dec 8, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
No. Boise St is horribly overrated. If Iowa has Stanzi, I think they’ll score plenty of points and Iowa’s defense will shut down Boise St.
Boise State
beat Oregon in the poorest, crappiest, most pathetic performance I’ve ever seen any football team other than Pitt in the Sun Bowl last year.
What else have they done?
No, sorry.
You don’t get to do that. BSU beat the Pac10 champion, what’s Iowa’s best win?
Yeah,
My point just was, it’s awfully convenient to discount BSU’s win over a very, very good team by calling it sloppy. If you’re doing that, you could turn Iowa into a 3-9 team in this argument.
Fair enough
But what’s more important-your best win being better? Or the other 11 games being better?
I'd have to agree
You beat Oregon in the first game of the season during a college football season where no one has been standing out as tremendously awesome or dominant. And it wasn’t like Boise crushed Oregon, the score was 19-8. Boise only beat Tulsa by 7 just as a comparison.
You could, but you’d also have to consider that Boise St has looked pretty vulnerable in a bunch of their games against inferior competition in the WAC.
To me it’s not even that Boise St hasn’t beaten anyone besides Oregon. They simply haven’t looked all that dominant going through the season, which any really top team would have done with that schedule. They remind me a lot of Hawai’i in 2007 who went undefeated in teh regular season, but was not all that convincing. And they got destroyed in their bowl.
As a contrast, TCU has looked great, even against the bottom dwellers in the MWC. Or even Boise St in 2006 who looked extremely good.
Yeah, but this discussion was about Iowa and BSU.
So someone could go the whole FCS opponent and other “almost” choke jobs by Iowa. I don’t think it’s valid, but that was how this discussion began.
Mid Majors only need to get 1 bid
TCU is more than deserving of that bid. In fact, more deserving than Texas who’s in the MNC game
Fair enough
But I’d suggest that that’s more Iowa playing down to their level of competition than them not being as good. It’s a lot easier to have games where you look past the competition when the schedule features a lot of teams that are actually decent. For Boise St, it looks to me like they just aren’t that good.
Iowa has a damn good defense that will shut down Boise St IMHO. We’ll see what happens in a bowl, but I think Boise St will lose to Iowa or get crushed by TCU (depending on who their opponent is).
Well, TCU is better than Iowa, I believe.
So I agree with you on them beating BSU.
Have you watched TCU though?
I’m sure they may be better than Iowa this year, but I haven’t seen a single game of theirs.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just 2 games,
which is probably not enough. Clemson and BYU. Both I thought were impressive for different reasons.
This is exactly why I love the NCAAB Playoff
The last 12 games are supposed to be taken into account (unless you wear a jersey that says Arizona on the front of it). So take the last 4 games of the college football season and look at how the team is playing then. USC beat Ohio State early in the season, now look at them. It’s tough to be great early, but Boise State should be better than they are right now.
How is boise state going to be better?
They have won every game the played, including a tough win over a very good Oregon team. Basically, you are asking for more style points, yes?
A.) It doesn't matter if Boise State will be better
B.) Boise State has not played well against a quality team since the first game of the season which leads me to believe that even a subpar or Stanziless Iowa team would beat them
C.) I don’t believe that Iowa should play them because I don’t think Boise State should have a bid.
Well, I don't have much of an opinion on C)
If anything I agree.
But I do think you could easily say the same about a lot of teams not playing well against quality teams since [early in the season], so long as your idea of not playing well can happen without a loss. I have no trouble believing they are capable of beating Iowa, who also has “looked” very good for a lot of the season.
What it comes down to is this:
Could BSU beat Iowa? Sure, I don’t know. On any given bowl game day, sure. They always pull trick plays out of the hat and they’re a fun team to watch.
But when it comes to them getting a BCS bowl bid, I couldn’t care less if they earned it or deserved it because the way that they have played over the season is not indicative of a BCS quality team (neither has PSU).
A lot of times when scores get judged, you throw out the high and the low. Take out Boise State’s high and low and you get a much crappier team
Well, this isn't olympic diving, it's college football.
And teams are judged by their entire body of work.
First of all, it would favor teams with 1 loss over undefeated teams.
Second, the CFB sample size is not big enough.
Third, it penalizes teams like this that go out of their way to schedule a top team OOC.
It penalizes teams who schedule 1 top team from "lesser" conferences.
Win or lose, that game is thrown at as one of the extremes. So teams like BSU and TCU would have no reason to schedule those teams.
Within BCS conferences, It favors teams with 1 loss from what is perceived to be the deeper conference over an undefeated from another BCS conference(i.e. a 1 loss SEC team would be considered clearly better than an undefeated b10 team).
I'm not saying throw out the highs or the lows
I’m saying… well… basically what we already somewhat take into account with strength of schedule and “impressivity” of win
Don't get me wrong, this is not some great Boise defense.
But I don’t know that Iowa “should” get a bid either. Given the pool, who are you proposing to give Iowa a better game?
I don't see VT or OrSU
being any different of an opponent than BSU. No matter what the games are going to bore me I guess. I think most of those options are a tossup that I don’t care about.
somewhere the BCS is laughing in their cave.
They keep sucking us into games we don’t want to care about.
Yes, I watched the game.
I also watched Iowa’s wins, and they were bad. So none of them count. In fact, I watched every minute of every game, and none of the wins were any good but PSU’s 10, so they are the best team.
As with every Iowa game
It’s really just going to come down to their defense pulling the offense up, Stanzi or not. That’s the way it’s been all season: defense awesome, offense meh.
But good for Iowa though, they do deserve it.
What a long strange day it's been.
I’m glad, though, because that mid-major Fiesta would have been a complete waste.
Nothing wrong with playing on a holiday, drinking at breakfast, and not have to work in the morning. Playing a bowl game on a Monday night is not ideal.
BSD
Frowny face
And it looks like in an effort to kill the International Bowl, the Big East is sending South Florida to play in Toronto (MAC opponent TBA).
I was really hoping for that Pitt-Temple match-up in Toronto too…
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Anybody else notice the page isn't updating
Mike and I were both bitching about how slowly everything on BSD is updating…doesn’t seem to be from too many comments, something fundamentally wrong with the servers…
Yeah
I’ve been getting red x’s for pictures too.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
Uh-oh
That’s great, it starts with a BSD break,
birds and snakes, and aeroplanes and Lenny Moore is not afraid.
Eye of a Miami hurricane , listen to yourself churn,
BCS serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs.
Feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength (of schedule),
the Ladder start to clatter with bowl fear fight down height.
Server wires in a fire, representing seven BCS games (?),
and referees for hire at a combat site. Left of west and coming in
a hurry with the mid-majors breathing down your neck.
ESPN reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing. Fine, then.
Uh oh, overflow, population, dorm food, but it’ll do to save
yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs,
listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and
the reverent and the right, right.
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight (TRY!), bright light, feeling pretty psyched
(because hey, we’re going to a good bowl no matter what!)
It’s the end of the world as we know it,
It’s the end of the world as we know it,
It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 6, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
lol, thanks
I can’t even keep up with the song with the lyrics sitting right in front of me, so props on rocking it in karaoke.
Just a quick look at the polls...
Nothing too surprising. Coaches Poll ranks the top 5 as ’Bama, Texas, TCU, Cincy, Florida. Cincy also got one first place vote, which is laughable, but so it goes.
In “minor victories” news, USC finished outside the top 25 in both polls.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Only one poll is out yet, I thought?
Where are you getting the new Harris? Can’t find it.
Sorry
“both polls” meant Coaches and AP. Harris usually isn’t released until later.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Ahh, got my hopes up.
I figure with the high computer ranking, Harris needs to keep them outside the top 25 to keep them out of the BCS top 25.
Just got the following chain text...
“As we watch our coveted Steelers collapse…just remember…63 days till spring training! LETS GO BUCCOS” Best chain text Evaaaar.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
I thought it would give ya'll a chuckle.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
So.....
Championship = Bama/Texas
Sugar = Florida/Cincy
Fiesta = Iowa/Boise
Orange = GTech/TCU
Rose = jOSU/Oregon
Weak.
Yes
I am positive that that will be the BCS Bowl lineup.
@collegiatestdms
Saw that,
I’m not calling anything a done deal now until I see it.
CRAZY
So much anticipation :) I was thinking of taking the family on one of those drive-thru Christmas scenes tonight, but the selection show might be more important.
Any holiday decorating to do?
That’s how I’m keeping my wife entertained while I drink beers and prep for the show. You could try same with the kids?
If this ends up being the final lineup I have almost no desire to watch any of those games.
Maybe Gtech TCU because I like to watch GTech and haven’t seen much of TCU. The Rose Bowl would be ok. Everything else is just meh.
Just in from ESPN
ESPN_Others RT @PeteThamelNYT: Put those Iowa/Fiesta rumors to rest. Its TCU-Boise in the Fiesta Bowl. Orange is Iowa-GTech. Expect more awful ratings
@collegiatestdms
You remember what UGA's offensive line did to GT? Iowa is a more advanced (or less advanced?) version of that
Awful ratings, indeed.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
From Jerry Palm
jppalm sigh. hope he’s wrong
@collegiatestdms
You know what
I’m pretty much not going to believe a Zug damn thing until it leaves the mouths of the Fox broadcasters, and even then, not till five minutes afterward.
That would be a first
Not believing something until Fox says it
by speedomike on Dec 6, 2009 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I still think we have a great shot at the Orange, call it a hunch
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
on a scale of 1 to 10
1 = rather rake the leaves
10 = eyes glued to the teevee/interweb for BCS updates
How excited are you, really, about the bowl announcements?
Mr. Rosewater: 2
Mr. Dawson: 1
I really don’t care at this point because be it Orange or Cap1, either will be a cool game that I won’t be able to wait for.
No BCS? Sweet, we get to try and PWN and OMG ESSSS EEEEE CEEEEE team
BCS? Cool, national exposure, and most likely a good match-up.
we have
a rare win-win situation here.
I mean, we get the BCS over Iowa and it’s “good job beating us on the field, sorry that people just like us better.”
Iowa goes to the BCS, and good for them, they should have. We get to go play LSU on Jan. 1
Even if the unthinkable happened and the Big Ten doesn’t get a second BCS spot, Iowa goes to the Cap 1, and we are left out in the cold, maybe Joe goes berserk and we travel the country challenging teams to impromptu games, with glory, pride and their women on the line (Michigan excluded, as it lacks all of these things).
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Dec 6, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Even if the unthinkable happened and the Big Ten doesn’t get a second BCS spot, Iowa goes to the Cap 1, and we are left out in the cold, maybe Joe goes berserk and we travel the country challenging teams to impromptu games, with glory, pride and their women on the line (Michigan excluded, as it lacks all of these things).
That would be something I’d be willing to pay to watch. BTN’s $2.99 webcast would be well worth the money. I would probably join him in his conquest, as it would be a travesty.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Dec 6, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
My friend really wants to visit a friend down in Orlando, so I'm really hoping for her to get to go to the Capital One
plus if the results are enough of an epic fail, I can talk about them until the 19th
1
I really don’t care anymore.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Is it basketball season yet?
It is? Thank God!
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously,
puts them in Alamo or Champs?
Wisconsin
And they played in the Champs last season. Odd. Would have thought the Outback would have been all over Wisconsin and been happy about it.
Maybe they promised Auburn access to more tickets?
HAHA, wow I’m reaching, this is really strange.
Wow tough call on this one, who ya got?
With the way they almost beat Bama, I’ve got to go with Auburn unfortunately. As talented as I think NW is with Kafka healthy, Auburn’s defense is pretty good.
Oh, I get it
The SEC was pissed off because Auburn was the worst of their eligible teams and the Outback Bowl picked them. So they settle the score by picking Northwestern. Who also has no fans.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but NW has a worse record than Wisconsin and a much worse fanbase
This doesn’t make sense
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I guess that's still a possibility.
Do you think Outback would hang itself?
Can we somehow end up in the Alamo bowl
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
ARGGGGGGGGGGGG
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt nothing
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I get angrier the more I think about it
Wisconsin would take it to Auburn.
Northwestern? Um, sure.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
This whole thing has me annoyed beyond belief
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile, in Orlando ...
The Capital One Bowl teams will be announced by 7PM EST, BEFORE the BCS show.
Yeah
Kevin posted this on BHGP when I put up something similar.
CapOne members will know the results of that vote by sometime after 5 p.m. EST today but won’t be permitted to release it until after the BCS presentation show on Fox at 8 p.m.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
All Twitter goobers on deck
After 7 PM, I want all you folks stalking PSU players on twitter/facebook to scan their posts. I guaran-damn-tee one of the players will throw something out there if they’re going to the Cap One.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
I'll watch his Facebook page
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
I would think Facebook will show the same
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 6, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
It’s just that I’m with Paterno on Twitter. I just don’t get it.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
where've you been?
He gets it….he made some comment implying as much awhile ago…he’s just got Jay to do his Tweeting for him :)
Well then
An octogenarian understands the latest social networking craze more than I do.
I’d feel bad about it, but I’m used to it. I hate cell phones and didn’t get one until I absolutely had to.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Also for those of you who care
The fake books that are putting out lines have Bama -4 vs. Texas.
BSD
If I were a betting man
I’d take Bama on that
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 6, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's gonna be like last year's game, only worse
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
No, a blowout
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
And FakeBCS is having some fun
Some highlights so far:
Exciting job opportunity: The BCS will pay $47 to anyone who signs an agreement to attend and actively watch the Orange Bowl.
Congratulations to the two remaining undefeated teams! We’ll see you in Pasadena!
Rumors that the @DanWetzel Playoff Plan has been endorsed by ranking members of the Taliban are entirely true.
You’ve spoken, we’ve listened: Poinsettia Bowl rematch in the Fiesta Bowl!! Poinsettia Bowl rematch in the Fiesta Bowl!!
BSD
did the BCS
just break twitter? Take that Michael Jackson
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Dec 6, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
between BCS and Gator Bowl stuff Twitter just blew up
Even the media is not happy about TCU-Boise from what I have read.
@collegiatestdms
I still can't think of any reason the Fiesta would take those two
other than the conspiracy theory to keep them from the playing the BCS conference teams
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 6, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Will their be an open thread for the bowl selection nightmare show directed by Rob Zombie
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
TY
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Although by some mysterious source we'll know who's going to Cap1 in 13 min.
so it may not be all that necessary except to see if the BSU/TCU Fiesta Death Scenario is really going to happen or not.
I’m still confused by this. Bowls have never released info that sheds light on the BCS before, and according to several people including Jones they are contractually obligated to wait until after 8 p.m.
But then they’re actively telling people they’ll have an announcement at 7. So consider me confused.
BSD
From what people have been saying in this post
The decision is given to the teams at 7 for Cap1, but isn’t made public until after the selection show. So I said we’d probably know since SOMEONE will have an inside source and leak the announcement to the rest of us at 7.
Someone give me a reason for NW to go ahead of Wisconsin (excluding "head to head win")
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
N comes before w in the alpabet
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Aussies love the color purple
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
hmmm...
Aussies love Alice Walker?
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Aussies love Oprah?
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Too Many
Florida trips for Wiscy as of late. I think they wanted to shake things up a bit IMHO.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Dec 6, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
You know the Champs Sports is played in Florida, right?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
That crossed my mind right after I posted that.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Dec 6, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Champs Sports
And in fact Wisconsin played in the Champs Sports last year, which makes this even odder. I really have no idea why the Outback would pass on a 9-3 team which is ranked and has a good following in Wisconsin to take an 8-4 unranked team with a smaller fanbase in NW. I know there was head to head, but huh?
Stadium not stable enough to withstand "Jump Around"
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
NY Times saying after talking with sources
That it’s Iowa-GT in the Orange.
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/bcs-bowl-match-ups/?ref=sports
well stoops my ass feels if this is the case PSU is irelevant like ND on the national stage
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
When did he ever say that?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was kinda surpised but may have misinterpretted. Have done that before
If the Orange picks Iowa over Penn State that is a big deal….for Penn State. That possibly means one of a few things:
1) the power of Penn State within the conference has been weakened and maybe on par with Iowa (egads).
2) the Big Ten stepped in (quietly) in an effort to widen the reach of the conference (I really beleive this is happening…Delaney is an egomaniac and of course believes in his own relevance. And besides, it is a good business decision to back Iowa. It strengthens the Big Ten stock to have four viable BCS type programs)
3) that Iowa has somehow just plain old elevated itself to quasi-elite status.
In many ways, if Iowa is selected over Penn State then it means more about Penn State then it does about Iowa. That is why I think Penn State is so anxious about this. PSU is a bit like ND right now…trying to know their current market value. ND is talking to coaches and finding out it might not be such a great place to be after all. For Penn State, tonight goes a long way in telling them if they have that special appeal that outside of Ohio State and Michigan means they get their way.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
And
How would our power have been weakened? Weakened from what? And to what?
This is a bit of a stretch on his part.
I can see secnario 2 b ut was surpised overall
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
What me thinks he means is...
Penn State fans are still trying to figure out whether we’re “elite” or not.
Maybe.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever
He may end up being right but I don’t think anyone knows anything right now.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
I think I may make up a bowl game and cut and past sources jsut for the hell of it.
PSU has agreed to play in the Enthanol/Wind Turbine Bowl Dec 32nd in Dallas sponsored by T Boone Pickens
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
Eastern Michigan and Western Kentucky.
For title of the worst team in 1A. Coming this April.
Yes I also forgot to mention it will be played at Exon field
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin
I see that the SBNation frontpage is highlighting BHGP as the go-to Open Thread for the BCS Selection show. Mike is tied up right now, so maybe putting up a new open thread now would be a good idea?
Yeah I was gonna wait but the news is now:
Thread over. The inevitable news at the new post.
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2009/12/6/1188589/its-officalish-penn-state-to
BSD
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