It's Officialish: Penn State To Capital One Bowl [Now Actually Official]
by KevinHD on Dec 6, 2009 7:14 PM EST
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Penn State has apparently sent out some media information:
PSU just sent an email to beat writers saying "in the event psu is selected to the Cap One bowl here's the teleconference info" Its official
Update: Now it's for reals.
The BCS Selection Show is on Fox at 8 p.m., but because there are way too many parties involved to keep a secret, it appears mostly IS a done deal: Penn State is Capital One Bowl bound.
Just to recap a crazy day: there was no reasonable scenario in which the second Big Ten team went anywhere but the Fiesta Bowl. That was yesterday. Then semi-credible people started saying the Fiesta Bowl was "falling on the sword" for the BCS and taking two mid-majors.
If I had to guess (because we need more unsourced rumors here), this was likely a lead by the Fiesta people, and with reaction being universally bad, it looked like they changed their mind. A Big Ten team was going to the Fiesta Bowl after all.
More semi-credible people were saying Penn State was still in the mix. Then they were almost certainly Iowa, largely based on a source who told David Jones that Penn State had been told to book hotel rooms in Florida for the Capital One Bowl.
But that information is from Jones, who is the same guy who called the TCU-BSU Fiesta Bowl a fake rumor, claiming Iowa was going to Arizona after all. [Note: From the link above, which has been updated.]
Which became significant because several more people chimed back in later, including the New York Times, to say the mid-major championship is in fact happening and Iowa is headed to the Orange Bowl.
So whatever, it should be fun to see the truth at 8.
One last thing, it sounds like LSU is in fact filling the other sideline in Orlando.
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Doesn't this kinda make the whole "Don't release the bowl info until after 8" thing kinda pointless?
Good
This whole system is already pointless. Lets take it the next step.
by skarocksoi on Dec 6, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
officialish
I think covers it. I’ll ask but I doubt there was also a note that said “in the event PSU is selected for a BCS bowl” message attached.
BSD
Anyone else hope that the bowl schedule is so terrible that the ratings are some of the worse ever
and the cries for a playoff start get even louder? I’ll gladly take a year of crappy BCS bowls (especially if we aren’t in one of them) to make that elusive playoff a little bit closer.
Well our ratings should be pretty good, especially if it's LSU
but even though the bowls may suck it’s going to take a lot more to dissolve the BCS once and for all.
Not until I hear a good playoff proposal.
“Any playoff” should not be the solution people are looking for, because that’s not a solution at all.
And this is?
Wetzel has a great playoff system proposal that he publishes every year around this time. Look for it.
I've seen it, and I hate it.
I am NOT interested in any playoff that includes “wild cards.” Win your conference or you don’t deserve it. I would rather have a 1 vs. 2 guarantee that only deserving teams have a shot than I would wild card teams. Pro sports has expanded playoff formats to make season play useless. A team can beat a divisional opponent twice in the regular season, and then lose to them in the playoffs, and that’s the most deserving team if they win? No thanks.
The problem is that it's not the NFL
and not all conferences are created equal.
Big 12 vz Big East vs Big 11 They all do things differently.
exactly
the only way you can do “only conference champs” would need complete conference restructuring and ensuring that all conferences crown their champions the same way.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Well the current system sucks
and if you don’t like a playoff system, a system which just about every other sport uses, then I doubt any system will make you happy. There’s no way to gauge who is the number 1 and 2 teams without all the teams playing each other and seeing who wins. Playoffs allow for that. The BCS does not. What you have now is everybody’s “best guess” as to who are the two best teams and then a bunch of games that are basically pointless.
And the whole “the regular season is useless” argument is bs. Would you really not watch every game during college football season because it might not directly effect who plays in the orange bowl? Plus, with Wetzels plan, home field advantage based on seeding would be a huge advantage for teams that would definitely keep the importance of every regular season game intact.
I would watch all PSU games still, of course.
But I wouldn’t care one bit about any other teams non-con games. Why should I? And I would care less about conference play in other conferences, because I will just see the best they have to offer in a playoff.
The idea that everyone needs to play everyone, like in pro sports, is just as much of a revenue generation tool as the BCS, if not more. It doesn’t decide the most deserving champion either, because the teams in a 16 team playoff have played each other. When they do so again in the playoff, it completely defeats the purpose of the first meeting. The idea that it’s superior to have a huge playoff with more teams etc is one that pro sports have implanted in the overall sports culture.. But it’s just as much of a fallacy, it exists for more games and more money.
There are formats that would please me, and they only involve conference champions.
Ok
Take all of the conference champions, and the independent team with the best record. That’s 12. An even number.
That’s my playoff.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
How many times have we had this debate before?
How, praytell, do you expect to get the BC$ to give up control of their millions of dollars of revenue in order to implement this system, hmmm? That’s probably the bigger question, even bigger than how do you make the bracket work.
I'm not into debating this
Because there is no debate to be had. We’re screwed with this crap until the government steps in and comes up with a solution that isn’t much better.
But Boston asked for something better than the BCS, and that’s all I have to offer.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
STOP!
And more importantly, why would the universities give up those millions? the BCS is what it is because of the universities. The BCS is a concession. Just wait until you see how bad the Fiesta ratings are. They will go back to no system before they go to a playoff, and I don’t blame them.
Undefeated seasons are the only way to gauge success.
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by Captain Hairdo on Dec 6, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
The current system's big flaw
is preseason rankings, there was no way fro any team to leap frog Texas once cemented into # 3, their poor showing against Nebraska showed that, But Cincy at least completed an undefeated BCS conference schedule, TCU had a tough non-con sched and BSU had the win over the Pac 10 champ but because of the way the experrts alligned expectations all desire for a MNC was moot
Because it's a Bowl Game!!
-My wife when asked why she didn't tell me she was having contractions Jan. 1 2007
Which non-con games are worth caring about?
Penn State – Temple? Ohio State – Ohio? Michigan – Central Michigan?
The fact is there aren’t many non conference games worth caring about anymore because everyone is trying to schedule as many home games as possible.
And how much of teams in other conferences do most people really watch as it is now? Personally I watch no one else outside of the big ten except for major games. And that wouldn’t change in a playoff.
FWIW
European soccer leagues do not use playoffs — the regular season champ is the champ. And that’s basically how MLB operated for decades as well — the World Series was simply a challenge between the champions of two different and separate leagues in the AL and NL, but their champions were determined by the regular season results.
I don’t have a problem with playoffs intrinsically, but they do devalue the regular season. Nobody really cares about regular season results in NCAA basketball, for example, because good teams still go to the tourney and bad teams don’t. The regular season only really has a big impact at the margins (i.e. for bubble teams) and those teams really aren’t contenders for the championship anyway. I mean, people watch and are entertained by regular season games, but ultimately fans of teams don’t really get that upset or excited one way or the other when their team wins or loses an individual game because they are meaningless in the grand scheme of the season.
Also, it’s worth noting that playoffs work better in a pro league with limited number of teams who mostly (or totally) play each other. The good teams distinguish themselves from the bad teams. But in college football, with ~110 teams and only 12 games, there’s not enough info to really be sure who the top 8 or 16 teams are and so inevitably the playoff criteria is unfair. I’m not saying that the current system is fair — it obviously is not — but the reality is that there’s no ideal system for this sport to determine a fair champion. They really would need to decrease the number of 1-A teams to a manageable level or increase the number of games substantially. Or they can be realistic and just say “we don’t have a national champion” like they currently do and enjoy the bowl games as a post-season diversion, not a meaningful way to prove anything.
I'm not saying the playoff system is the perfect system
Just that it is better than the current system. And if there isnt enough info garnered during the regular season as it stands now to determine the best teams for a playoff, how is it supposed to determine the two best teams for a championship game?
I’m not sure it is. Because a playoff would pretend to actually crown a deserving “national champion” while the current system makes no pretense that it’s not a big popularity contest.
The reality is that 1-A football has no national championship — it never has and it doesn’t now. And IMHO it doesn’t need one. Creating an official playoff and championship won’t improve the sport. YMMV.
That said, I’d support a post bowl “plus one” system.
I have yet to see anyone in the NCAA say that the team that wins the MNC game isnt anything but the NC.
No schools, no media, nor the NCAA officials themselves. Florida was the OMGMNC Champion and the greatest team ever after last years game, and they sold it all year long. Same for whoever wins this one. Most people know that’s not the case, but to say that don’t make a pretense as such is ridiculous.
Huh? The NCAA says nothing on the matter. Why would they comment on the 1-A national championship when there is no 1-A national championship. Feel free to provide a link on NCAA.org where they list Florida as a national champion in football in 2008.
Everyone agrees that current system is a sham and doesn’t crown a “true” champion. Instituting a playoff would change that and IMHO not for the better given how it will hurt the regular season.
Playoffs do not devalue the regular season
In the current system Penn State’s loss to Iowa in September effectively ended their aspirations of competing for the national title making the rest of their regular season all about playing for the chance to go a nice vacation spot in December and playing in a fancy exhbition game. So once PSU lost to Iowa the rest of their regular season was essentially meaningless.
Under a playoff system, Penn State would have been competing for a chance at a national title (assuming Big 10 conf champ gets automatic invite) until late November when they lost to tOSU.
So tell me under which scenario does the regular season matter more and create more interest? The one where all dreams and aspirations were crushed in September? Or the one where dreams and aspirations ended in November?
The regular season doesn’t matter as much in NCAA basketball because 65 teams make the playoff tournament. In a proposed football playoff roughly 8 teams are making it. The difference is HUGE.
In the current system Penn State’s loss to Iowa in September effectively ended their aspirations of competing for the national title making the rest of their regular season all about playing for the chance to go a nice vacation spot in December and playing in a fancy exhbition game. So once PSU lost to Iowa the rest of their regular season was essentially meaningless.
Statements like this make me question whether people understand what they write.
Yes, you are correct — that is why playoffs devalue the regular season. Because you can lose and still make the playoffs and win the championship. That’s basically the extire defeinition of “devaluing”. If you lose and it knocks you out, that means the regualr season and winning then is important. If you can afford a loss — or losses — and still be in the running for the overall championship, that means the individual games really aren’t that important.
Any system that places more importance on the regular season is — by definition — going to eliminate teams earlier. If that doesn’t happen, then those games aren’t really that important.
So tell me under which scenario does the regular season matter more and create more interest? The one where all dreams and aspirations were crushed in September? Or the one where dreams and aspirations ended in November?
The one where people care about more than just making a playoff or winning a national championship. The current setup in college football places much more focus for individual teams on personalized goals — a conference championship or a BCS bowl or 10 wins or making any bowl or whatever depending on the school. Adding a playoff means that any season that doesn’t end up in the playoffs is a failure because all of the attention would be on that. It makes a good regular season an afterthought.
Disagree
What’s your definition of a game that is valuable? Mine is a game that has meaning in determining a champion.
Under the current system Penn State played in 4 games that could be considered “valuable” this season. Under a playoff system Penn State would have played in 10 games that were valuable. So which setup had more valuable games? Which setup created more intrigue throughout the course of the season?
What was the point of playing the entire college football season this year if Texas and the SEC champion were preordained as participants in the championship game? You want to talk about devaluing the regular season? The entire seasons of all the teams in the ACC, Big 10, Pac 10 and all the mid majors and independents were completely irrelevant this year. TCU, Boise St and Cincinnati just got done not losing a game all year and were never in the running for a championship. And whose to say Texas’s 12-0 season is more impressive than Florida’s 11-1 season? Computers and coaches that didn’t watch the games but looked at a box score?
And the games early on are still important. Penn State losing to Iowa put them in a huge hole for the rest of the year in terms of winning the Big 10. No it wasn’t a season ending loss, but it was still important.
The one where people care about more than just making a playoff or winning a national championship.
I couldn’t disagree with this more. Sorry but any season that doesn’t end up in a playoff is a failure. This year’s 10-2 Penn State team is a failure. But we get to play a lovely exhibition game to end the year so we get the chance to end the season with a win and feel good about ourselves.
A large portion of the fan base for Penn State this year simply stopped caring after the loss to Iowa. As time goes on bowl games are becoming more and more irrelevant simply because there are too many of them. Sorry but a team that finishes 6-6 or 7-5 does not deserve to go to a bowl game. What you have right now is a system that overvalues the regular season and devalues the postseason.
by catesinator on Dec 8, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta have wild cards
How else are you going to account for Notre Dame unless you are going to force them into a conference?
And should teams in conferences like the MAC and Sun Belt automatically get into the playoff field just because they won their conference? If that’s the case why shouldn’t PSU join the MAC so they could dominate and make the playoffs every year?
Yes, the MAC and Sun Belt should get automatic bids to the playoffs. It’s important. That means that everyone but the three independents has a chance to get in the playoffs solely by what they do on the field, no matter what any poll or computer ranking system says (well, save for a tie for the Big Ten title between teams that don’t play each other).
PSU (or even my Orange) should not join the MAC because if by some chance they failed to win it, they would have no chance of making the playoffs as a wild card, and without major conference TV money, competing on an elite level in the long term is difficult. That’s why Memphis wants to join the Big East, even though it would certainly end their run of conference titles in basketball shortly if they played UConn and Syracuse and Pitt and Louisville.
It was supposed to have been announced a while ago
The Capital One Bowl Site says the teams were supposed to be decided at some big hullabaloo that was supposed to run from 5 – 7:00 p.m., but this is the closest thing I’ve seen to any real information.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
It's officially official
“The university’s sports information department announced the bid Sunday night. The Nittany Lions (10-2) will face an SEC team to be announced later Sunday, likely to be LSU.
Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1664071.html#ixzz0YxT6QTdd"
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
Do you think they "officially" announced it?
Or the writer is writing about the note?
I would like to see Boise Iowa
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
I don't
Zug forbid they lose, I don’t want to be in the same conference. tOSUs probably in trouble as it is.
I think Iowa could take em
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
We need to get Baylor in there for a 3-way game.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
SEC
So we get LSU for a bowl and ’Bama at the start of the season: we have a significant chance to turn some heads with a win or two
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Kevin, I detest your endorsing the name "Capital One Bowl"
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2009/12/6/1188644/can-we-come-to-an-agreement-here
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
AHHH
AHHHHHH
NO FOX BAD FOX
NO OSU HASN’T WON 5 STRAIGHT
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by hawaiipennstatefan on Dec 6, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
So,
I’m glad we know who is in the Cotton and Rose Bowls.
One Bowl anouncement, one commercial!!!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
enough of the TCU hisotry lesson
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
Boise to fiesta and TCU
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
Let dooomsday beign
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
TCU vs Boise really?
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State." - Chris Carter
YEP
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Harumph Harumph
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm displeased with that one
I’ll watch because I’m intrigued by the game. But it’s a cop out by the BCS
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Harumph Harumph
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
TCU can't be real happy, can they?
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Boise must be flippng out
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Now I ma curiopus bout the Orange?????? They did show our helemt and not iowas
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
That was horrible
Now i am curious about the orange They showed our helmet and not Iowas
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
This Fiesta Bowl is the most bullshit thing in the history of the BCS
I’m sorry, Auburn fans, but this is an outright travesty.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
It's up there, but I don't think it beats...
2001 Nebraska in the title game despite not winning the Big 12, and Oregon being #2 in both polls.
2003 USC not in the title game despite being #1 in both polls, while 2003 Oklahoma, which did not win the Big 12, was in the title game
Both time Notre Dame got a BCS spot when it didn’t have to
The 2004 Pitt/Utah game
Patterson did kind of take a dig at the system when they interviewed him
They’ll probably make him apologize tomorrow for that.
Can you believe this?
This, THIS, is what we’re willing to do so Tebow doesn’t go out on national tv crying again.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
By the way I need another boost of my own humanity
Is it OK that I took pleasure in Tebow’s tears? It’s really not his fault I hate him, but I was like “WHERE’S YOUR F**KING GATOR CHOMP NOW BIZATCH!?” last night.
He seems like a genuinely good guy
But seeing him cry made me happy. And not like ’I just found a 5 dollar bill on the sidewalk" happy, but that deep down inside warm kind of happy.
by skarocksoi on Dec 6, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We need to start having some kind of "comment of the week" feature.
Twitter: @scrappled
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by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I took waaaaaaaaay too much pleasure
in watching him cry. It was so beautiful, I could taste the tears of sadness.
"gotta love the HD"
Tim Tebow's tears did not go unwasted....
they quenched the thirst of the 30 children he circumcised in Ghana
For the glory
by lionalum05 on Dec 6, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I only enjoyed.......
it because i knew that my buddy was crying right along with him. But I can’t in good faith talk about how I can’t stand watching people like Deion Sanders run their yaps and dance and taunt and shoot themselves etc etc and then rip on Tim Tebow.
"When is the last time you heard a CEO say, "You know, I am REALLY glad we lowered our standards. Its really worked out well for us"."
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ARE U KIDDING ME
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
I am in shock
Never thought they’d really pair TCU-BSU
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
MY FOX JUST WENT OUT
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
so did mine, back on
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
PHEW
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
that Syracuse douchea Jon Mayer (Meyer) just did a news update, if you are in NEPA
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
Yes i saw that
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I also want to say this:
Iowa in the Orange. I told you so.
/woo arrogance
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
U never know
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to laugh if all the sureness of this post and the CDT was wrong
and we’ll be picking oranges from a big bowl in a month.
Wait, it's not official?
Don’t blame me, I’m not watching FOX
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
honestly,
whats with all the fox reference? i watched the simpsons and family guy on FOX. my bowl special is on ESPN
For the glory
We're better off
BCS field sux this year
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 6, 2009 8:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
HOORAY
TEBOW’S VS CINCY
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Over/under 100
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
lol FL not champions
no gradulations gator
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
Muffler Bowl
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
you're right.
I took a group on the long drive to El Paso last year, but I doubt we’ll muster many students for this trip, unless we drive down the day of. It’s only 6 or 7 hours from some parts of PA and a 4:30 kickoff.
Yes, let's talk about Notre Dame so we can waste more time
and learn nothing before we go to yet another commercial break
Go HAWKEYES WOOOOO
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Now it iowa
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
IOWA CAN'T STOP THE OPTION
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State." - Chris Carter
+1
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
official
hate month: LSU
We are not normal...WE are Legends...We are PENN STATE!
by hawaiipennstatefan on Dec 6, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions
I actually kind of like LSU, always wanted to see a game there
but then again, wasn’t it one of their fans who killed an Alabama fan over a game?
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
Actually, no
It was one Alabama fan killing an LSU fan and his wife after Alabama lost to LSU: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Alabama-fan-shoots-kills-LSU-fan-and-wife-after?urn=ncaaf,120936
thanks, I couldn't remember
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
WHAT DID I SAY
WE’RE GONNA KICK GT’S ASS
/actually, it’s a bad matchup as Iowa’s strength is their secondary
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
we will see it should be interesting
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think we could have taken GT a lot easier.
But, kudos to Iowa, now they better win. Samesies for OSU if we lose another rose bowl and not even against USC, its gonna be ugly
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Now the question is do I be a good big ten fan or just feed the hate
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
i think
be a good big ten fan. they deserve it. came up with the big wins when they needed them
We are not normal...WE are Legends...We are PENN STATE!
by hawaiipennstatefan on Dec 6, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
True I will have a harder time rooting for The OSU
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Screw the Big Ten
Iowa fans have made every PSU internet board unbearable.
I’m only rooting for Northwestern this year and our guys.
Also rooting for the year we can stomp Iowa into the ground.
Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden
Wait, what?
Iowa fans trolling on BSD? Um, what?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be a douchea
Iowa beat us fair and square, it hurt both years, but they’re ranked ahead of us, and rightfully so. Ohio State, however, someone is going to have to write a post that is the most convincing thing ever to get me to even root for them, other than that they owe the rest of the conference for their STB in 06/07.
I hope every B10 team other than OSU wins
Then everybody stops saying the B10 sucks in big games and it becomes OSU sucks in big games.
by skarocksoi on Dec 6, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the record
I for one don’t really lump PSU in with the whole Big 10 thing.
I also don’t think its a bad conference, at least top five always just hovering down around four or five for the last few years. (But in some years [many, many years if you want to go back through CFB history] they have been the best)
Probably two or three this year…
Tosu on the other hand deserves it’s label.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Nope
I can’t root for Iowa anymore. They became the biggest whiners on the internet since the possibility that Penn State might jump them came up.
I fully support selecting Iowa to the Orange since they beat us, but I really hope that they get their butts kicked.
If Penn State had been in their position, this place would be full of whiners too.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
*shrug*
Well, we aren’t so we didn’t.
I wouldn’t have condoned Penn State whining either, plus had we held the head-to-head over Iowa, it never would have been a question who was getting the BCS game.
I'll root for Iowa, but not tO$U
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
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Feel free to be selective in your hate
no reason to make it a hate blanket (a hanket?)
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
The other thng is we need bowl game wins so we dont have to lsiten to the we suck crap all year again
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think Iowa actually have a pretty good chance against GT
GT has no defense whatsoever, so Stanzi probably won’t be pressured into throwing STANZIBALLS all over the place, and their defense should be the toughest GT has faced all year, and if they couldn’t even beat UGA, its good news for them
As do I
Iowa can run the ball like UGA did. But Iowa’s linebackers will be tested. Iowa’s run D has been mediocre this year.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say GT has "no defense whatsoever"
Not that great, but they do have a very nice DE in Michael Johnson
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
I'm going to enjoy the Capital One Bowl
Hurray family feud starting…. NOW!!
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
our babysitter is an LSU fan
He’s our neighbor’s kid, originally from Baton Rouge. Houston is filled with LSU fans.
my cousin played for LSU
This is going to be a fun month of HATE HATE HATE!!!
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
they hate that whole "LS WHO" thing
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
I been running that joke for the past six years.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
enjoy the next month
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
Colt McCoy looks 12 years old
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
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Yeah smile now McCoy and Shipley
you are going to get your asses handed to you because you haven’t played a defense all season
I think we can handle LSU. Fairly easily.
But, damn, that Trindan Holliday (sp?) gives me nightmares
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Watching LSU is tough
you just expect their talent to finally break through but over and over again it seems all they’re really good at is being fast, JMO from the few times i saw them play this year
Because it's a Bowl Game!!
-My wife when asked why she didn't tell me she was having contractions Jan. 1 2007
The Pitt boards...
will be lighting up busting our chops at how we missed out on the BCS. Most of us here felt Iowa was the better choice all along.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Yeah, well I'll laughwhen then lose their bowl and fail to win 10 games yet again
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
They get more satisfaction out of thinking we're in misery!
Thet’re screwed up!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
um, Car Care bowl
Sun Bowl,
etc., etc.
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
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How can they pass on them
PITT travels so well, and a fan base the size of Mark May, i meant consisting of only Mark May
Because it's a Bowl Game!!
-My wife when asked why she didn't tell me she was having contractions Jan. 1 2007
Pitt was selected for the Big East's third bowl
which is exactly where we placed in conference.
Well technically the same record as WVU, but I suppose you know who had the head-to-head tiebreaker.
Head to head tiebreaker
How novel.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Of course WVU got the Gator Bowl bid prior to last weekend’s games. If WVU had lost to Rutgers an finished 8-4, they still would have gone to the Gator, over a 9-3 Pitt with a better conference record (and over an 11-1 Cinci if Pitt had won).
The fact that WVU going to the Gator is justified by the final standings doesn’t mean that was the reason they were picked.
you're right
but the this was the last season the Gator is contracted with the Big East and they had already decided to do a non-traditional Bowden-Bowl for the ratings and intrigue shortly after his retirement was announced. FSU didn’t ‘earn’ that spot either.
The point was, that Pitt was not “passed over by the pizza pizza bowl” like JIMPSU said.
Wow...
the energy of these two is overwhelming…
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
This is now incredibly disturbing
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Temple is head to the Eagle Bank Bowl
in case anybody cares
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
RFK Stadium
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
No opponent announced yet
They have a tie-in with Army, but Army is 5-6 and has their game against Navy next weekend. Army wins, it’s Temple-Army; Army losses, signs point to UCLA taking the spot.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Well, goodnight folks
Gonna go watch my Vikes and dream of Les Miles crying.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
I really don't have much experience with him
but Saban just comes off as a scumbag to me, it’s just something in his demeanor.
well now he is a movie star
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark, The Penn State Football Story Is...
Unbelievable, they're already scrolling predictions
Alabama 21- Texas 14
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Saban has only rebuilt MSU
Who cares about LSU and Alabama. Those places are sitting on oil fields of talents
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
Last March
I was in New Orleans for a bachelor party. I was walking down the street yelling, “LSU is a safety school!”
Hmmm.
"Saban, does it make you proud to turn around a program like Alabama?"
Yes, but only because they’re paying me ridiculous amount of money. Oh, wait, I’m supposed to be developing students as both college graduates? HAHAHA, no guys, it’s just about the piles of cash.
take off the big ten blinders for a minute
and read some numbers
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm
BTW
To show how little I knew (read: care) about the Big East, I didn’t realize they only had 8 teams in their conference. Why do they get a championship game? I thought you needed to have 12 teams to do that?
They don’t have a championship game. You were confused by Sean “No honey, not tonight. Aw what the hell, I fake it during my football games, don’t I?” McDonough.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Can they really hype this MNC matchup?
These two teams are the same teams as last year.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
And it's going to be the exact same game as last year (aka horribly boring)
If you have to beat the Huskers on a controversial last second FG (I thought it was a fair call, but w/e), barely beat OK, who sucks, and gave up 39(!!!) points to Texas A&M, you are going to get your world rocked when you play an actual defense.
This show was not worth the time!
I don’t like JJ. Saban’s a saint compared to Johnson!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
I hope there's a new Family Guy tonight to wipe this out of my brain
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Is this one of the worst BCSs ever?
I’m only slightly intrigued by two games: Orange and Fiesta
If someone can convince me Oregon’s d-line has gotten stronger, maybe I’ll change my mind.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
I like the Cinci - FL matchup
Cincinnati is fun (for me) to watch. And I can always root against FL.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
I don't know
FL doesn’t have that killer offense so it might be a 41-40 type game
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
So what did FL score against Bama?
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
And yet they held Oregon State to 18 points
I’m with PaJoe – I’m not at all convinced that Florida has a pulse on offense, and that they’ve been saved by a solid defense.
I’ll call it now – Cincy wins that one.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
I half agree
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it
Cincy couldn’t even come close to making a tackle against pitt. Now way they stop TEBOW SMASH. This game will be over by halftime unless the Gators completely mail it in.
I have no doubt that Florida is capable of mailing it in
I expect they will do so, but eventually pull the game out.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
But you have that great emotional leader TIM TEBOW!!
He has so much emotion, he has to release it after games in what may look to some heathens as “tears”.
I think Cinci can score (a lot) on anybody.
But you are right, they have our Offensive Line of Traffic Cone, bannana peel, et.al. on defense
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
i hate Florida
but Cinci needs to be put in their place, so I hope Florida whoops them. Also Cinnci has ugly uniforms
I'm sorry, but I really dislike this attitude
That’s the exact attitude that led to this scheduling of Florida vs. Cincy. In the hopes that Hatch wouldn’t have more evidence.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
You know what, I would say the exact same of Florida
Texas is also sloppy as hell, they have no impressive wins and look where they are.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, poor Oregon and Boise are going to get rocked
These lines are funny. I like the “we have no idea” Orange Bowl line.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I still have my doubts about tOSU
USC who could only muster a 3pt victory over tOSU, and was destroyed by Oregon.
Times change, though
Ohio State is improved on defense and their o-line is improved from the disaster in Purdue.
Oregon’s tackles are, what, 250?
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Rose Bowl.
O think OSU beats Oregon. No Defense for the Ducks.
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think tOSU was giving to much respect to Barkley and not treating him like a freshman
and Tressel doesn’t run the right kind of offense to score alot of points even on a bad defense.
Tressel's O is perfect for Oregon
Just run that sweep out of the shotgun 2-back all day…
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I like this:
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2009/12/6/1188434/livegamopenthreadeauxpizza-iowa-at#26707650
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Not that it matters at all but,
I love how we fell two spots in the BCS rankings this week, behind Virginia Tech and LSU .
Rankings
We beat no body. Temple lost. Arizona beat USC, helped Iowa.
I can already feel the ass kicking we get in Alabama next season. Freshman QB on the road.
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no we suck again
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Jones vs Bolden Camp
Not sure which one will start but the QB position will be just a list of serious issues we will have next season. it is a good thing we have some more cupcakes to play next season.
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
PR Position
No I haven’t. I really can’t come to rationalize the PSU play a terrible schedule but we are supposed to be a Big Time program.
Do you think we derserved better than this? I don’t. I just feel PSU needs to get a Big Time Program status and stop pretending.
Thinks about this is the worst 10-2 season by any team. Every other teams we beat sucks
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
OH FOR GOD'S SAKE
Look around college football. Notice anything?
TEXAS’S BEST WIN IS WYOMING
FLORIDA’S BEST WIN IS FIU
Do you not consider them to be “big time progams”?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its pretty close to the same schedule that half of the country plays
Get over it. And no one put one iota of consideration into who “deserved” what when deciding the bowls. All I know is that PSU is playing LSU in the Cap One bowl and I am going to cheer for them. If you are so down, go sulk in a corner instead of posting 15 times how we “don’t deserve better”.
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, why do you not understand that?
We have one program to fund all the others, we HAVE to schedule the patsys, plus the economy sucks, and almost every other “top” school has had to resort to playing the same level of competition we did. And Syracuse was good when we scheduled them and they got GERG’D.
He sucks because Jay's a moron
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
He obviously wont get the starting postion
Did you see the 3 passes he threw all year? They sucked. He Stinks. FIRE JAYPA/JOEPA/GALEN/THENITTANYLION!
I'm really glad you came in here to knock us back down a peg
We were all getting way too high and mighty with our illustrious Capital One Bowl berth. Thanks.
by skarocksoi on Dec 6, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RUTS, I nominate this for COTW
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
PSU vs LSU
Well this could the Bowl for the two most under achieving teams in 2009. We got exactly what we deserved, No BCS game. The Orange Bowl execs couldn’t even swallow taking PSU over Iowa considering we lost our two toughest games at home. I think we could beat Ga Tech, Iowa should. Lets face it when we look at the entire body of work for the Lions is was unimpressive.
The Orange Bowl ratings will be terrible.
A win in the Capitol One Bowl could make the offseason easier to handle.
The Orange Bowl ratings will not be terrible
a) GT’s freak offense gets a lot of hype
b) Iowa always draws good ratings
c) this is a nice matchup on paper and should get hype
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ok so they get a 5 or 6. They will not reach PSU ratings.
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
PSU had FSU
Totally different
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ratings.
At the end of the day we got what we deserved. I think it will be a good game.
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think Fiesta will beat Sugar
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
The ratings will be good for the first half
By the second everyone will still be tired and hungover from partying the night before. Although they will probably leave their tv’s on while they sleep, so the change might not be that much.
noooo I wanted Sun Bowl
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon
El Paso vs. Frisco
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted them in Vegas
I wanted to see Petey try to keep the troops under control in Vegas.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Well of course the game will be played at AT&T Park in SAN FRANCISCO
by smashtheguitar on Dec 6, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
USC should be happy
last year they were so upset they didn’t get to go on vacation
by whiteoutonly on Dec 6, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OH SNAP
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
RUTS, I nominate this for COTW
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
three
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Then
we use an intricate mathmatical formula weighing the posting position, length of post, and strength of post as voted on by SBN blog owners to determine the two best posts and let them go against each other to determine the actually winner.
Use the Climate Research Unit's programs.
It’ll spit out anything you want!
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Dec 7, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Does the CRU think the Big 12 better than the Big Ten?
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
So we won't see another BCS bowl until 2011
more than likely…
Let’s hope Joe Pa’s last year is a good one.
Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden
Oh no we suck again
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Holy Zug, you people are depressing
here I am actually happy about the bowl we’re in, and you’ve got to make it sound like we’re playing in the Pizza Pizza bowl against the University of Mexico.
What was depressing about what I said?
I wanted a BCS bowl because of how it affects recruiting and our national perception.
Truth is getting in next year would be more than a pleasant surprise, but not likely.
So like I said our next “big season” looks to be 2011, which is unfortunate.
Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden
We're playing a big name school, it should be a great game
Had we played BSU/TCU, and Zug forbid lost, how would that have looked to recruits? Now we’re playing in a new years bowl against a school that won the MNC two years ago.
If the recruits are seriously going to be turned off by us playing in a “lower” bowl, honestly I don’t want them, they don’t sound like Penn State material, who go to the school for the tradition, coaching, and quality education instead of hype, corvettes, and falling for a coach’s BS before getting buried on the depth chart when they go after someone better the next year.
Well it seems a lot like the Tenn. bowl game.
Depending on how LSU continues to do, no one is going to remember a win outside of our fanbase and theirs.
But I am excited and hopefully we get a win.
This season has been very disappointing to me though, and I should have went with my initial thought of us not getting a BCS bowl so I didn’t get my hopes up.
Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden
Didn't Bowden's Samford Squad
once beat the University of Mexico?
Of course I'm home. I'm always home. I'm uncool.
by WestPointLion on Dec 7, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I like this
FSU has no defense
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Is it wrong...
that I’m ticked that Texas is playing for the MNC after last night? Forgive my naivete, but I thought how you played mattered? Silly me.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
Eh
TCU’s resume isn’t that much more impressive. But they do deserve a shot, in my view.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I like their resume better...
but that’s just me. When Texas loses, can we start hearing about the Big 12 and its failures like we do about the Big 10? Other than the Vince YOung game, they haven’t played too well in the BCS.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 6, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
We may see the tide turn a little if our top teams do well and if the Big 12 fails (which I expect, honestly)
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot think of a worse matchup for MSU’s defense.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Better?
No. The Big 12 is horribly overrated this year, and texas is going to get murdered, but TCU did NOT play a better schedule. Good players, good team, but not the schedule.
TCU looked better in their games overall than other contenders, but no they did not play as tough a schedule as Texas or Cinci. From where I stand, TCU should be in the championship because TCU is the better team based on how they play. But their schedule did bring them down in the computers relative to the BCS conference schools.
I'm not arguing that TCU hasn't looked good here
but keep it in context, they beat Clemson 14-10, barely beat Air Force 20-17. Yeah they crushed all their other opponents, but aside from BYU who was ranked (but got murdered by florida state if you remember). If I’m a voter, I look at those two close wins and start to doubt just how good the team really is. You can put up N12 numbers and points all day, but if it’s against the dregs of their conference, I would be less impressed.
Well, if last night was any indication
Bama should roll right over Texas.
by smashtheguitar on Dec 6, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Bama will Crush Texas
They couldn’t stop Texas A&M. Roll Tide
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to see that stupid "roll tide" crap posted here
We’re still Penn State fans
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Roll Tide
Reading Rambler is you head stuck up Jay Pa’s ass.
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I knew you were a Bama fan
You mocked us for our schedule and predicted we would get crushed next year.
Get off my blog
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
with authority
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
/run “dikembe finger wag”.exe
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
HA HA HA
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lets talk next season
Did you see or not see how talented Alabama is? Just reality. next year was supposed to be the year for Bama.
Soph. QB with no exp.
Bad OL
Bad DL due too Grad
The game is one the road.
I hate to say it but I see a beatdown coming we haven’t had in a long time.
Reading Rambler but the Kool Aid down and face reality. You probably think Fox News is fair and balanced also.
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
#5 MICHIGAN BEATS APPALACHIAN STATE IN LAUGHER
OH WAIT
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Dec 6, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So dont watch
And dont come on PSU blogs to talk about it. Since you already know that our team wont progress in any way and have accurately determined the results of our schedule, there’s really no reason for you to do so.
Bad D-line? Are you serious or did you just not bother to watch PSU this year?
We had a freshman (Hill) playing along side Odrick in the rotation! And he was great! Not to mention we also have Devon Still, Ogbu, Latham, Crawford, Latimore, and possibly (please Zug) Hayes coming back. Our D-line will not be bad just from the loss of JO. JO will be a loss yes, but we’ve proven we can reload at D-line just based on how the people who rotated in performed this season, and with an year of experience the ends will be even better.
You probably think Fox News is fair and balanced also.
Stupid and unneeded non sequitur. Your argument is invalid.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Way to quit on a game 10 months in advance
You must be a peach to hang out with. There have been bigger upsets before.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
And now we're going to start attacking Jay again?
Please go back to 2007 where you belong. Morelli was uncoachable, we know that now thanks to hindsight and his failure in the pros. MRob was raw talent bottled into one person who could play just about any position, so you can count him as an outlier in the Jay argument. Then you have DC17, who may after the bowl go down as the ONLY 3000 yard passing QB in school history, as well as putting his name in half the QB records. I’d say that’s hardly a failure, and if you’re going to argue Jay didn’t have at least a little something to do with his development, you are insane. And if you’re one of the DC17 sucks people, then you are just an idiot.
I know...
it just annoys me.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 6, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm out of here to watch the Vikes and Cards
But I will be rooting for OSU in the Rose and Iowa in the Orange and all the other Big 11 teams. I know you guys like to hate some of the others, but I think they deserve their bowl games.
On the other hand, I will root against BB and the Seminals. Makes it kind of easy, I always liked WVU a little.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Duh
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yes you can cheer for OSU but not Pryor
by nittanyliontom on Dec 6, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
i can slep now
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
BTW, was that you on Behind the Steel Curtain this afternoon. Did that suck or what?
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Yes. Yes it did.
I cheer for PSU and the Steelers. Both teams fielded awful special teams units and at times were horrible in their pass coverage.
Seriously, each weekend for the last month was like freaking deja vu.
by smashtheguitar on Dec 6, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe the Steelers have lost to the "bottom feeders" this year
Though the Bungles look to be very improved. But every game the Steelheads let the game get away at the end. Oh well, back to my first love, College Football!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Is it okay to be disappointed with missing the BCS...
…and still being super-excited with playing LSU? I mean, if LSU was on the non-conference schedule, we’d be all about it.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions
Defeating LSU would gain us some credibility
… and would make me feel a bit better about this season. It’d be tough going another entire offseason with a bowl loss.
by smashtheguitar on Dec 6, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
It's a great matchup for us
Not a sure win, but a good, traditional high level program. With a coach only a mother would love!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Absolutely
In isolation, playing LSU in the Citrus Bowl is awesome. And I’d rather play on NYD anyway.
But there is disappointment in not getting a BCS bowl bid when it was a distinct possibility. Still, as an opponent LSU is cooler than Georgia Tech or Boise St.
Big Ten matchups look rather favorable.
No obvious double-digit underdogs here:
Miami vs. Wisconsin
Minnesota vs. Iowa State
Northwestern vs. Auburn
Penn State vs. LSU
Ohio State vs. Oregon
Michigan State vs. Texas Tech
Iowa vs. Georgia Tech
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions
I could see the BIG 10 losing all of those.
But now I’m just being a Negative Nancy.
by smashtheguitar on Dec 6, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wild guesses on lines.
Wisconsin -2
ISU -3
Auburn -6
LSU -3
TT -8
GT -6
The last few years, the matchups were awful IIRC.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
And Ohio State seems to be +2
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Miami (FL) versus Wisconsin looks like a sure loss IMHO, but otherwise, I think the Big Ten can do well. I don’t think Minnesota or MSU are all that good, but they drew pretty crap teams anyway.
Depends on which Jacory shows up
He has some stellar games, and he has some pretty poor ones. Their D isn’t all that great either.
someone should check and see
if bad jacory showed up when good juice showed up…telepathic connection?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Not really
Wisky played pretty well this year and Miami is pretty volatile.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Sure loss? Really?
Tolzien is good and they have a great running game, as usual. Miami’s defense isn’t good at all.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
any chance weber is back for the bowl game?
or was his injury one of those 8-month recovery ones?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
No clue.
Grey at least has some promise. If he gets a month’s worth of practices, he could be decent if Weber can’t go.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
what about decker
who i was actually intending to ask about, haha
We decide when you hear the snap count...
Is it okay that I get Weber and Decker confused all the time?
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
And if I'm picking winners right here and right now.
Wisconsin, Iowa State, Northwestern, Penn State, Oregon, Texas Tech, and Iowa. Would not be remotely surprised if Ohio State wins.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
the msu game might have been interesting
if we were having this conversation a week and a half ago
We decide when you hear the snap count...
The way they defend the pass, I could see them losing by 90.
But who knows, maybe they’ll score some points.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
do they have any recievers left?
maybe bring some guys in from the basketball team?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
SCREW YOU OUTBACK BOWL MORONS
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take Wisconsin, PSU, Ohio State, Iowa, and Northwestern.
Paul Rhoads is far superior to Brewster. Michigan State is badly depleted and their secondary sucked anyway.
And after last year’s heartbreak, I’m still convinced this is the year Fitz breaks through with a bowl win.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like those picks was thinking of those myself but may add the golphers and subtract NW
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about NW
It’s all going to come down to Kafka. Auburn’s defense was shutting down Bama the whole game, but Auburn’s weakness is probably their offense, so I don’t know how they’ll fare against a B10 defense.
Northwestern's d can hold up just enough, I think
I expect a shootout, but I don’t think Chris Todd is an especially great quarterback.
This was more a homer pick to get us to 5-2 anyway.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
The suck of not winning your conference.
If you’re Nebraska, a nice trip to San Diego. Pretty good.
If you’re Oregon State, a crappy bowl but it’s in Las Vegas.
If you’re Pitt, Charlotte the day after Christmas. So have fun with that.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Dec 6, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions
Pitt was essentianlly tied for 2nd Saturday morning...
so a win would have put the Panthers in first, but a lost would send them to 3rd. WVU beat Rutgers to secure the #2 spot.
How soon we forget...
What about the ND troll a few days ago?
“ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDERS VOTE FOR DUBYA!!!”
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Oh i didnt forget have a coronary
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
HOW IN THE HELL DID WE DROP TWO (2!!!!) SPOTS?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I am trying to figure that too
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well LSU is one of the teams ahead of us
So we can solve that problem on our own.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by Adam Bittner on Dec 6, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
right were Joepa wants us. Underodg is a powerful motivator
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
This was the only downside to the evening
even though it’s completely irrelevant at this point, that was absolute BS to drop two spots in the BCS to teams that like us, didn’t even play this past weekend. It’s this sort of crap I hate most about the BCS. Yeah we know we had a horrible schedule, but with no shake-ups in the top ten (Gators moved to 5), why the hell would we drop below not one but TWO THREE-LOSS TEAMS. But like fugi said, it’s only more of a motivator for the guys to prove people wrong.
But, Dawson...
Do we really care that much? We’ve already established the polls are worthless.
I think we should worry about this after we play LSU.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 6, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I started off with "even though it's completely irrelevant"
despite going off on a rant. We don’t and shouldn’t (and really haven’t) cared about what the polls say since the end of the season since we were in the top 14, BCS elligible, and had a legit shot at jumping Iowa. When I say downside to the evening, I’m not saying by any means it killed my night, I’m just as happy playing LSU as I would be playing GT, in fact I’m really excited about it. I just thought it was really stupid to bump two idle teams ahead of another one.
I shouldn’t have gone off on the rant in the first place. Tonight was a splendid evening after weeks of having to sit and wait to hear what our place in the bowl season was going to be like.
The only opponent we played who was active (Illinois) lost.
Virginia Tech had three opponents active (Georgia Tech, Alabama, Nebraska, East Carolina) and they went 3-1.
LSU had two opponents active (Alabama, Florida, Washington, Louisiana Tech) and they went 3-1.
That’s part of it. The other part is it probably has to do with how the final human polls finished — not that we necessary lost votes, but of other teams close to us gained votes in the polls, they would gain on us in the BCS rankings.
So wisconsin gets the same bowl twice in a row
except one time it’s in a 7-6 season, and the next it’s in a at worst 9-4, possible 10-3 season. college football is weird
Win
http://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/status/6416023657
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
Thats histircal
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George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Dec 6, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think I love him.
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