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Come On, Get Hatty: A Quick Look At LSU

It was a day of swirling rumors with visions of Arizona and Miami, but Sunday ended with Penn State dropping from the pack of BCS-eligible teams to where they belong -- the Capital One (Citrus) Bowl against LSU.  The 2009 season was a bit of a dud for the Nittany Lions, considering they lost at home to their only two strong opponents, but the CapOne matchup against a traditional SEC power gives Penn State a chance to end the season with an exclamation point.  So we're at the kids' table, so what?  At least Les Miles is here to keep things interesting.

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What do we really know about LSU?  Read on.


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Their offense is teh suxors.  Ranked 84th nationally in rushing and 99th in passing, which combines to make them 108th in total offense.  Other, familiar teams in this neighborhood include Akron (#111), Minnesota (#113), Syracuse (#94), and Iowa (#93).  These offensive numbers put LSU at 11th in the SEC.  Not good.  Complicating the issue is Iowa's Angry Running Back Hating God taking time to punish the Bayou Bengals -- LSU's top three running backs are all out with season-ending injuries

 

Their special teams are dangerous and weird.  #1 in punt returns (18.64 ypr), #110 in kickoff returns (18.66 ypr).  I don't think I've ever seen those stats be so different.  And it's really strange, because Trindon Holliday returns both punts and kickoffs and SWEET JESUS DO NOT KICK THE BALL TO TRINDON HOLLIDAY EVER EVER EVER.


Their coaches are...suspect.  LSU's got problems.  Most notable is an assistant coach allegedly paying a defensive linemen to transfer to LSU, but also, they recently lost their running backs coach (Larry Porter, who took the head coaching job at Memphis).  Oh, and Les Miles roams the sidelines, which is always good for Louisiana cardiologists.  You can count on Miles to do something brilliantly stupid at some point in a close game.  Results may vary.

 

Their quarterback is, perhaps, not as sucky as we'd like.  Jordan Jefferson's numbers aren't that terrible for a guy piloting the second worst offense in the SEC.  He's completed 62% of his passes with 16 TD's and 6 INT's.  He can scramble a bit, although Penn State's defense should have many chances for negative plays (the Tigers are 107th nationally in sacks allowed).  LSU's receivers are rather good, so they'll have a chance to move the ball through the air.  The key will be making them one-dimensional, then forcing Jefferson to make bad decisions with the ball.

 

If they were a Big Ten team, they'd be...  Iowa, but with Trindon Holliday and a much worse defensive line.  Lots of injuries at RB, meh quarterback, a few playmakers at wide receiver, and a stout pass defense. 

 

Maybe we can be awesome?  Maybe.  Pretty even matchup, and I suspect Vegas will confirm that shortly.  Should be a very fun game.

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i met up with some SEC fans over the weekend

and they were giving me all kinds of crap for being a Big11Ten fan and then quickly only brought up Tosu’s losses to the SEC. i quickly corrected them on this, telling them PSU is different and then PWNED them in other conference (some even in their conference) knowledge, i had them rethinking their arrogance.

apparently they weren’t used to being pwned by a girl in football. i look foward to this match up.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Way to represent

and grats on your recently acquired co-authorship @ FOOTBALL

by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 7, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Dec 7, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome...

Nothing is more attractive than a female that can talk sports… especially football… jus’ sayin’

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on Dec 7, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Penn State's chances...

At least they’re not playing Florida. I’d hate to have Penn State be the team to provide Tebow with a send-off loss. On second thought….

by LowcountryLion on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

I Like It As Well

After the pretty crappy season that LSU had, I would cringe whenever I saw that they were continually ranked each week. This is the USC and Florida syndrome; living off of past accomplishments and neglecting the now. So yeah, I have a little bit of worry, but that is vastly outweighed by my confidence. We can beat these guys. It’s time to re-establish our conference and drag it out of the mud that Ohio State buried us in.

by Bob Sacamano on Dec 7, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Plus, I feel like we belong here and I have always personally viewed the Citrus (Capital One) Bowl as one of the more prestigious non-BCS bowls out there.

by Bob Sacamano on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it is.

At least Pay-Out wise. The big ten has some sweet bowl connections.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Dec 7, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

refreshed.

actually i FAIL.

BSD

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Suqz, donut?

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't it 2004 or so...

…That they tried to get the Citrus Bowl to be the 5th BCS game but they couldn’t swing it because the stadium is a piece of crap? There is definitely a lot of money tied to the bowl game.

(And yes, it’s a piece of crap for anyone fortunate enough to not have seen a game there.)

by mvrck on Dec 7, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe an excuse

but I think the “reason” has more to do with this: why would the 4 members of the BCS want to split some of the revenue 5 ways when they could just take turns hosting a 5th game and keep all the goods for themselves?

BSD

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It pays the most of all the non-bcs bowls.

BSD

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Fears of DEATH DEATH DEATH can be calmed

via ATVS:

Our defensive line has been the weak part of our defense. We haven’t been getting a tremendous pass rush this season, and that could hurt us.

BSD

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Sounds like our O-line and their D-line

should bring their pillows and nighties. May the best pillowfight team win!

by PSU Mudder on Dec 7, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That's huge

I was worried about the D-Line. I just assumed they would be strong there.

by speedomike on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Traditionally DL is a strength for LSU

Not as much this year. We are thin there, though Aghayere and Alem are both decent. We are compensating for lack of depth by using some three man fronts more.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i am pretty happy with the matchup. it looks like it will be a good game.

by tat167 on Dec 7, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

For me the hate is simple...

They spell “Go” as “Geaux.” How arrogant can one get?

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

by psupride on Dec 7, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Say 'chowdah' Frenchy!

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction.

It’s not LSU, it’s L$U. HATE

by Cairo on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

oh baby I can smell that sweet, sweet hate coming from your general direction

I and LIKE it!

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

L$eauuux

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 7, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

If LSU can get pressure with just 4, we’ll probably lose. If LSU can’t, they’ll lose, and probably by a lot.

Jesse said it perfectly and it continues to ring true.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

on a related note

Did anyone see the pressure Nebraska was getting on Texas with just 4 DL’s? Even when NU had seven DB’s in the game, McCoy was getting pressured like crazy. I dream of a defensive performance like this from PSU.

by Cairo on Dec 7, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a brilliant game plan from Nebraska

Unfortunately they puckered at the end when all they had to do was let Colt lose the game. He wanted to. He really wanted to lose that game, but Nebraska just wouldn’t let him. Mack joked about it last night on TV, like “LOL then I was like Colt I thought I said to leave 3 seconds on the clock, and then he was all OMG I left 1 second whats teh big deal? and then I was all like I don’t know LOL!”

Seriously the last minute of that game was a competition of who could pucker harder.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

First time I saw Nebraska all year

And it was one of the rare times where a player lives up to all of his hype. Mr. Suh, you deserve all of the millions you will get in April.

by STU Boy on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Tressel is a genius

You think Tressel gives the ball to Pryor in that situation? Hell no.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

of course not

But Mack’s trying to get Colt a Heisman so he can go out and tell recruits he made Colt into a Heisman winner, which is also why he acted like it was no big deal that he waited until 3 seconds were up and threw a high lofting pass out of bounds. He joked like it was funny his 4th year starting QB wasn’t aware enough to get rid of the ball faster.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody else annoyed with Mack Brown?

the way he held up 1 finger, basically ordering the ref to throw time back on the clock?

Or the way after the game he basically said they “should” be going to pasadena. Maybe he still feels snubbed from last year, but seriously, you’re team just spent 60 minutes laying a turd and your all-world QB nearly blew the game away.

by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

But he was right. I think every coach would have done the same thing in the same situation.

by The Mess on Dec 7, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll give him the one second thing..

but acting like the NC game was his birthright after that crap performance was borderline delusional, I thought.

by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The Entitlement that oozed from both those dudes was just icky. Karma has a way of dealing with that kind of hubris.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

No way they

stay within single digits of Alabama.

by jimbo2psu on Dec 8, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Nebraska also has Ndamukong Suh.

Who will probably be invited to New York for the Heisman and has a chance of actually winning the Heisman. So… yeah. But I see where you’re coming from.

Our DL had better get to their QB in a hurry, because LSU’s receivers can and will beat our secondary.

"Is that right?" Joe answered. "That’s not a problem. But you’ve got a problem. You don’t relate to me. And that’s a big problem."

by dmoney350z on Dec 7, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He reminded me of Glen Dorsey

who was the last DT I remember seeing dominate like that.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's "Glenn" you idiot

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, I got all pissed off for a second

thinking, “Who the hell does this guy think he is coming on here and calling one of our posters an idiot for a spelling mistake?” Then I read who made the mistake. My bad.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Dude played a great trombone, too.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Dorsey was great...

but I don’t remember him having a game that was that great. Could be my bad memory.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be there are no extant records

Equivalent to that peformance. Most. Awesome. Thing. I’ve. Seen.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Nightmare scenario

I was terrified that Nebraska would win and face PSU in the Fiesta.

by confirmy on Dec 7, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask RUTS about the last PSU / NU game in state college and the aftermath...wow

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 7, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, Ruts

What happened in the aftermath of the last PSU Neb game in state college?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Rehab.

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Dec 7, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

because of the performance of their d-line against Texas.

by confirmy on Dec 7, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No shit

Can you even imagine what that wrecking ball would do to our stop sign and turnstyles? Uprooted, I say! Scarecrow would be long gone in fright.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Pressure

KEVIN: What thing is that?
MILTON: Pressure. Changes everything. Some people, you squeeze them, they focus. Some people fold. Can you summon your talent at will? Can you deliver on deadline? Can you sleep at night?
KEVIN: When do we talk about money?
MILTON: (evil devil laugh) Money’s the easy part.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Expect us to use

more three man fronts. We have been doing that lately with some success.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m guessing you’re still rushing a stand up DE or OLB right? I think LSU will realize from the film that Clark is very good when he’s allowed to sit back and make his reads, but when you bring consistent pressure with just 4 he’s pure aweful. I don’t think rushing just 3 and dropping 8 will do much except force us to run more.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Traditional SEC Powers...

I would not consider L$U a traditional SEC power. Alabama, Georgia and Tennesse are the traditional SEC powers. L$U (other than the Billy Cannon years) and Florida are new money, relatively speaking. That don’t diminish the hate though.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

LSU and UF

are rather new money as far as the SEC goes. But it’s not like we completely sucked before then. We were decent, just not two-national-titles-in-a-decade good until the oughts.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I know...

I didn’t mean to imply as such.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure if I wanted to push your buttons...

I could just mention that MNC you “shared” with U$C….

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you could try

haha. That works on some LSU fans I guess. I don’t have a problem with a split championship in amateur athletics. And college football, with the bowl system, is not really as “zero sum” as the other sports. Let USC celebrate their great yeah in 2003. They deserve it.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember lusting after your awesome night games

growing up in the eighties. Lots of wild rides, season to season. But those 7p kickoffs under the (then-dim) lights looked so cool.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Crowd reaction win:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCAsf_j7mg4

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Also, it really cracks me up to see how small linemen used to be.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

LSU fan here

I think that was a pretty accurate write up on my Tigers. Nice job.

Jordan Jefferson is certainly not the problem with our admittedly poor offense. Honestly, it’s hard to nail down what the problem is. We over at ATVS have been scratching our heads about it all year. Many of our less cognitively inclined fans blindly blamed JJ, but both a look at his stats and a subjective look at his play tell you that he is not the problem. (I have some high hopes that he will get to be really good — he is only 19.) We have really good people at skill positions, including probably the best WR tandem in the SEC in Tolliver and LeFell. The running backs are hurt now, but even before they went down our running game was in the pits. Most of us put a lot of blame on poor O line play, but I don’t think that explains it. Fingers are now pointing at our OC Crowton, who most of us think did a fantastic job in 2007.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the offense is something that we have had our panties in a collective twist over all season.

Other points: Trindon is good, and dangerous, but we have some other weapons. LaFell is probably an NFL first day draft choice, and Tolliver is no slouch. Freshman RB Stephen Ridley (see my avatar) is pretty good, as is our Percy-Harvin-type-in-training freshman Russell Shepard. Also, Richard Dickson is a very good tight end. We have weapons — lots and lots of weapons.

On defense, our best player is likely Patrick Peterson, a true sophomore cornerback and probable future NFL first rounder. He is a legit lockdown corner. To say that Peterson is the best player in defense is saying something though, since we have this other DB by the name of Chad Jones, who is fast, aggressive, and will open up a can of “Oh My Goodness” on you. Linebackers Perry Riley and Kelvin Sheppard are also both very good.The defensive line is the weak point of the defense, but the back seven is among the best in college football.

I have some Penn State friends, and we will likely be talking a lot of smack over the coming weeks. It should be a good game. I will probably check in here a few times and talk football. I don’t think LSU has many SBN trolls (they are relegated to lesser blogs), so hopefully you guys don’t have to deal with that too much.

Oh yeah: Geaux Tigers!

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

He might go back there.

He does play a little wildcat, but mostly we are trying to make him into Percy Harvin more than Pat White. He plays more tailback than qb.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not.

He never “had” the position to begin with.

Plus, RS is a rare combination: he is a five start athlete and a five star human being. He genuinely want to do what is best for the team. He is honestly the kind of person you dream about getting on your team. I am glad to have him.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Injuries

Can you provide some insight into who’s playing/not playing b/c of injury?

by speedomike on Dec 7, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This should tell you the biggest problem we have

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2009/11/21/1168443/lsu-senior-running-back-keiland

Other than that, I think we should be pretty healthy, unless I am missing something.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way, so long as you are commenting on BSD

Are you OK with the prospect of being dubbed GERGatron? It’s kind of our thing.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 7, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I would

but that is the name of my evil twin.

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh no

he’s got a “Bad Rambler” too. Split personalities is taking over SBN!!

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 7, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I am the only Gerg on this blog

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by NJ lion on Dec 7, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Accept no imitations!

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, we're kicking it to Holliday all right

cuz JoePa thinks he could play a chess match against the likes of Secretariat. And that’s why we’re gonna have the problemz.

by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

yup

It’s the kickers job to kick it, and the rest of the ST job to tackle the guy; it doesn’t matter if Deon Sanders is back there.

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by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel JoePa would dominate Secretariat i na chess match

stupid horse has absolutely NO endgame (though can be tricky with some obscure openings)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 8, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Kickoff returns

Reason you see such a disparity b/w KOR and PR is b/c teams often kicked it short against us to avoid kicking it to Holliday. Our upbacks (LBs and DE/TEs) returned several kicks for 10-15 yards so the average was driven down. I can’t find the stat anywhere, but I imagine our average starting field position is not bad at all.

by amiznit on Dec 7, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

JoePa doesn't give a shite about what other SEC teams have done

He’s a man. We’re kicking it to him. It’s up to us to stop him. Don’t be surprised if Holliday returns it for a touchdown, making it the difference in the game.

by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 7, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet

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by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see stunned Paternoface/irritated McQuearyface right now

in my mind as one of the LSU guys breaks free in the return game. You know it’s going to happen.

by Cairo on Dec 7, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Half-time interview

Joe you guys have played pretty well but special teams have hurt you with that punt return for a TD. What are you going to tell your players at half time?

I think we’re alright, that kid they got there returning kicks is a heckuva athlete, we just gotta doa better job a-tackling is all. We’ve got some things we’re doing well, and Clark is playing a heckuva game so far, so we’re going to be ok.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

To which we'll inevitably start freaking out about for the rest of the game

Only to have it turn out alright. That’s pretty much the first quarter thread of every single open thread I’ve been a part of this season. OMG SKY IS FALLING turns into BOWMAN SMASH, ALL HAIL ZUG, etc.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 7, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Your JoePa

is pretty polished.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

/stands corrected

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I have one thing in common:

We have not won 23 bowl games.

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by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember reading that

Whilst scouring your Shaking Valley

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

A month of practicing

can really change how teams would play each other with only a week of practice. LSU scares me with their ability to always prepare for bowl games.

Right now if we were to play LSU a week after the MSU game, I would say we would slaughter them. Give both teams a month to prepare/practice/film/etc and i think its going to be a really close game. Miles makes boneheaded decisions on the sideline but he always gets his team ready for a bowl game.

Its a good thing i don’t bet on teams that i follow (see: steelers, psu) because i wouldn’t know how to bet on this one. I am assuming (you know what follows) that PSU opens around -4.5. We’ll see.

We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.

by mikeissurreal on Dec 7, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

This
Miles makes boneheaded decisions on the sideline but he always gets his team ready for a bowl game.l game.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog

by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So is this also a mandatory BSD

Hate month or hate week?

hate is already good for the soul.

We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.

by mikeissurreal on Dec 7, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Month

We have a month, why waste it? This isn’t the regular season where we change opponents every week. We know who we’re playing, let the HATE begin.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 7, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Man...

I wish this weren’t a family friendly blog….

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I can make no comment...

that won’t get me banned for life.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's good

You know what I really hate? People who try to inform me of their desire to sleep with some stupid picture in a clever way.

I’D TIGER HER GEAUX

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd totally sleep with her picture in a clever way

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ewww, yeah. Then,

I’d fanboat into her bayou!

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd Alex her Box.

LSU college baseball stadium reference.

by Cairo on Dec 7, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd craw her daddy

Wait, what?

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

whoa

/backpedaling

I’d…I’d….um, she could totally help herself to some of my po’ boy.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Reach with me, here

I’d be all over her and her friend, Fay.

Then, when I’m done with this Thibodeaux ho, I’d be able to say, “Et Tou, Fay?”

(get it, etouffee?)

"Sometimes, children, fear is an appropriate response"

by TexasLax on Dec 7, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

wierd

not a fan of seeing my name on this blog

by Dmfsomething09 on Dec 8, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog

by Gregatron on Dec 7, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd snap her turtle

Cause, you know, New Orleans…turtle soup.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d dam her Atchafalaya.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my word

New Yorker FTW! Absolutely fascinating geography.

Also, coonass has some potential.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

oh dear lord

I was reading it, got through the first page, saw it wasn’t the only page. Then I saw it was 27 pages long.

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 8, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I'd Geaux deep.

As is possible for me, anyway

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a rec'd post

sigh

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Booo

/I laughed

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'D DECORATE HER TREE

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Boooooo

/laughed at that one.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I WOULD TAKE HER OUT TO A NICE SEAFOOD DINNER

and then hopefully sleep with her.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Dec 7, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd prefer if she decorated mine.

just saying.

We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.

by mikeissurreal on Dec 8, 2009 5:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Les Miles is taking over at scUM

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 7, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Oh wait...that was a few years ago...my bad

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 7, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

according to Rittenburg

We’re wearing the Whites!! I LOVE it!!

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

We will look so SLOW in the whites...compared the SSSSSSSEEEEEEEECCCCCCC speeeeeeeed

HAHS circa 93' "Football is 1/2 Offense, 1/2 Defense, and 1/2 Special teams".

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 7, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Most excellent

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't we wear the blues?

Both teams could wear their home unis in this game since LSU wears white home jerseys.

Bah… at least Tiger Rag is a pretty cool fight song. (nice non sequitur, huh?)

by PSUFlyers on Dec 7, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This is great

LSU folks believe their purple jerseys to be bad luck!

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Dec 7, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see it. In fact it looks like LSU is the “home” team, and I thought that meant they get to pick jerseys first.

BSD

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That would suck

Our white uniforms are the coolest uniforms in sports and I know jesse. will back me up.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t care how many times JayTweet tries to spin the road record, I still hate how the whites make my stomach feel [/no i’m not a racist]

But yeah, if LSU picks first they pick the whites and we’re in home unis, unless we’re missing details.

BSD

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand

If LSU plays at home they make the other team wear their home jerseys? Or you think they’re going to wear their away jerseys even though they’re designated the home team? I’m confused.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

They always wear their whites at home

and so I think they would choose to wear white in the bowl if given a choice.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The long story:

from wiki:

White Jerseys — LSU is notable as one of the few college football teams that wears white jerseys for home games as opposed to their darker jerseys (in their case, purple). Most other NCAA football teams wear their darker jerseys in home games, even though football is one of the few college sports that do not require a specific jersey type for each respective team (for instance, college basketball requires home teams to wear white or light-colored jerseys while the away team wears their darker jerseys), and is similar to the NFL in letting the home team decide what to wear. The tradition started in 1958, when Coach Paul Dietzel decided that LSU would wear white jerseys for the home games. LSU went on to win the national championship that year. Since then, LSU continued to wear white jerseys at home games. Then in 1982, new NCAA rules prohibited teams from wearing white jerseys at home. Because of this, LSU wore purple jerseys during home games from 1983 to 1994. The team’s fans believed wearing purple jerseys brought bad luck to the team and complained often from 1983 and through the 1994 seasons. In 1995, LSU’s new coach, Gerry DiNardo, was determined to restore LSU’s tradition of white home jerseys. DiNardo personally met with each member of the NCAA Football Rules Committee, lobbying LSU’s case. DiNardo was successful, and LSU again began wearing white jerseys at home when the 1995 season began. In LSU’s first home game with the white jerseys, unranked LSU prevailed in a 12-6 upset victory over #6 Auburn. In 2000, LSU’s new coach, Nick Saban, altered the tradition of the white home jerseys: now LSU only wears white jerseys for the home opener and for home games against SEC opponents. For non-SEC home games other than the home opener, LSU wears purple jerseys at home.

The rule allowing LSU to wear white at home has one stipulation: the visiting team must agree. On three occasions, LSU was forced to wear colored jerseys at home. The first time was in 1996 against Vanderbilt, who was still angry at LSU for hiring Gerry DiNardo, who left Vanderbilt to become LSU’s head coach after the 1994 season. LSU wore gold jerseys for that game (a 35-0 LSU victory), and fans were encouraged to wear white in an effort to “white out” the Commodores. The second time was in 1999, Florida Coach Steve Spurrier refused LSU’s request to wear the home white jerseys. The third time was in 2004, when Oregon State did want not to suffer in its black jerseys in the humid weather of Louisiana in late summer.

In 2009, the NCAA relaxed its rule that previously required most away teams to wear white. The rule now states that teams must simply wear contrasting colors3.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

ha, forgot about DiNardo's stint there

I see him bumbling on the B10 network and always think Indiana. They’ve had a number of coaches roll through there, haven’t they?

/gogling…..

Since JoePa took over for Rip, 11 different coaches:
Paul Dietzel
Charles McClendon
Bo Rein
Jerry Stovall
Bill Arnsparger
Mike Archer
Curley Hallman
Gerry DiNardo
Hal Hunter
Nick Saban
Les Miles

p.s. I love that Dana Bible’s middle initial was X.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill Arnsparger?

THE Bill Arnsparger? That guy still owes me money from the 80’s!

"Sometimes, children, fear is an appropriate response"

by TexasLax on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Always loved that Hallman guy.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you, i never knew any of that.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Obligatory

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 7, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Is 'get all hatty'

Similar to ‘get all stabby?’

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Hate comes easily when it's justified.

Having lived in south Louisiana for twenty years, no amount of foundation-less hubris on the part of SEC fans in general, and LSU fans in particular could surprise me. Today on a popular local radio sports talk vehicle (the Press Box Show hosted by a monstrously ill-informed fellow by the name of Jimmy Ott), I learned:

  • that Penn State "didn’t matter before Paterno got there." (Well, they obviously never heard of Rip Engle or Bob Huggins. I guess Lenny Moore and Roosevelt Grier don’t count.)
  • that the Orange Bowl took Iowa because they travel better (really?)
  • that "we shouldn’t have much trouble turning Orlando purple and gold here in about three weeks." (I think they might be surprised)

This fan base worships a Heisman winner, Billy Cannon, who beat out Richie Lucas from Didn’t Matter State University in 1959. Billy Freakin’ Cannon was a counterfeit choice – literally as time has proven – just Google his name with the word counterfeit.

This crap annoys me to no end. LSU’s football history is one of mediocrity interspersed with a couple of brief periods of excellence, due mostly to two coaches: Paul Dietzel and Nick Saban. Frankly, the SEC has had an inflated image throughout most of its history. THEY HAD ALL WHITE TEAMS UNTIL THE MID 70S! They were an AAA league.

LSU would not have permitted Moore or Grier to play.

LSU was likely the third best team in the state in the 50s and 60s. I believe that they would have lost to Grambling and Southern in that era if they had toned down the racism and had the guts to play either school.

I SAY IT’S TIME TO GAIN SOME OVERDUE REVENGE FOR RICHIE LUCAS!

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Dec 7, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Don't use up all of your HATE too soon.

Plenty of time until the LSU HATE Week Bowl Edition.

by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 7, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to worry my friend

I’ve got hate stocked for this one like a survivalist with his Vienna Sausages and ammo!

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Dec 7, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

love it!

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you say "All White"?

 Back in the late 50’s, these guys played for the Bayou Tigers!!

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi

by PaJoe on Dec 7, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

How could I have forgotten the Chinese Bandits?

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Dec 7, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

They were "bad dudes".

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi

by PaJoe on Dec 7, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

The tomahawk choppers sure were surprised at our whiting out the Orange Bowl. Granted, that was way bigger and our first foray outta the Dark Years, but damn, we descended on Miami like locusts.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see the Citrus Bowl

look like Erie county during a lake-effect blizzard.

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Dec 7, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO

+1

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Dec 7, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

2005 Orange Bowl

Being that it was my first ever bowl game, seeing Dolphin Stadium 75% white, blew my mind.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Dec 7, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It was soo cool

Presentin our rep like that made me extremely proud.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I am with you SubLime...

….there is no way I can express my hate for LSU in words properly. Let’s just say I had a former friend, roommate too at one time. Became a huge alcoholic and drug addict, completely destructive. My point? Our relationship actually dissolved because of his huge mouth. The most obnoxious non stop chatter box about everything LSU and the SEC. We only have a chance once every 20 or 30 years to silence this kind of crap. Even though I don’t talk to him anymore, I need this win. I need this win to have peace.

by hbeach08 on Dec 8, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

So one

Idiot makes us all crazy?

I don’t judge you all on that video that was out a year or two ago showing a bunch of PSU students throwing crap on Michigan fans and being violent toward them as they walked quietly by after PSU had even won the football game.

We love our Tigers, you love your Lions – Let’s just see who really is the King of the Jungle!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

no certainly not...

….but this game means a lot personally. I guess I should have clarified and said I need this game for personal reasons. I can’t afford to hear “the mouth” for the next 20 years. I admit, my view of SEC and LSU fans in particular is tainted due to my experience. I’m sure the vast majority of LSU fans are fine.

by hbeach08 on Dec 8, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood

and I hate for you to have to hear his lip for 20 years but I can’t help you on that one!

It’ll be a good game either way IMHO.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the Tigers really are the king of the jungle

as our lions come from the mountains (and “traditional” lions come from the plains) ;-)

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 8, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 for biology class

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Dec 8, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Amandakt is hot...

i think that’s all i’ve got! ;)

Seriously though, screw the SEC and screw Les Miles because he’s associated with Michigan! This game is gong to come down to whomever plays better Defense. I think PSU has the better offense but has shown nothing in big games. We’ll see…

by psu1313 on Dec 7, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

for your astute observation

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Dec 7, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1 for your non-humbleness.

If you’ve got it, flaunt it.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Get hatty?


I think I need somebody to get hatty and buy me this last one:

by Aaron PSU on Dec 7, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

I'll take

either the Ham (33) or Harris (34).

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on Dec 7, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Numbers on the helmet are for sissies.

We need to get rid of that swoosh while we’re at it.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Dec 7, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and that stripe is a little too gaudy for my liking.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Dec 7, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So do you go top middle or left

Is a facemask too sissy?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Dec 7, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you say sissy?

These were the good old days!

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Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi

by PaJoe on Dec 7, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Lines, lines, everywhere a lines.

PSU -2.5 vs. LSU
Iowa +4 vs. GT
MSU +7 vs. Texas Tech
OSU +3.5 vs. Oregon
NW +8 vs. Auburn
Minnesota -3 vs. Iowa State
Wisky +2 vs. Miami

Twitter: @scrappled

"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee

by Run Up The Score on Dec 7, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

At least they are close

but no, being favored in two games is probably not a good thing. And most of those lines look amazingly reasonable.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Wisconsin should be favored

There, I said it.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as it pains me

I agree, they were actually decent this year despite Bertie Bulemia (sounds like a mascot name doesn’t it?).

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no opinion on this at all because I have no idea which Miami team is going to the bowl game. They’ve looked both awesome and MACish in the the three games I’ve watched them play.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see this Rose Bowl thing

Yes, it’s Ohio State, and yes, Chip Kelly can scheme his way out of a paper bag. But Brandon Saine can be used like Gerhart, and Ohio State has a much better line than Stanford or Arizona.

I’m not sure I can argue with Ohio State being the underdog, but I’m not exactly counting out the conference.

Especially Northwestern. I’m crazy like that.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

giving Oregon total benefit of the doubt here

what i have seen of them this season, albeit not much, but what i have seen, i give the edge to the Ducks. between their three running backs, massoli i don’t see the buckeyes being able to hold them off for 4 quarters.

Kelly going for it 4th down twice vs Tressel ball…going with Kelly on this one.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

To stop the spread offense, you must have disciplined linebackers and linemen

This is exactly what Ohio State has. Spitler and Homan are vastly improved compared to the stellar Laurinaitis.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

and i definitely think it’s going to be a close game. but Tressel ball will come into play. he will either get ultra conservative or mismanage the time clock. it’s what he does 95% of the time and i don’t imagine he’ll do anything differently this time around.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Dec 7, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Even at 7

I’d take TT.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Northwestern and Auburn are almost the same team

But Auburn’s wacky offense is a run offense, and NW is a wacky pass offense.

Still, I see no reason for the line to be that high.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither do I

I’ve got Northwestern with somewhat decent confidence. And I think they left off a digit on the MSU line. I’d have done MSU + 70 after all those losses.

by PSUisMyHeart on Dec 7, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah there's probably no way that game stays close

even with a Big Ten defense against a N12 team, any competent passer will rip Sparty’s secondary to shreds.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 7, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

counterpoint

Auburn has a crazy run game, over 5 ypc. And I don’t know if Northwestern is going to be able to exploit Auburn’s biggest weakness, run defense, with their 105th ranked ypc rushing offense.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Dec 7, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Counterpoint

Auburn has beaten like 1 FBS team in the last few weeks

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Double counterpoint

Kafka has proved he can be an effective dual threat that will burn you on the ground if you make him move. I have utter confidence that he will make Auburn pay if they overpressure him.

by mvrck on Dec 8, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing that shakes my confidence about that game

Is Auburn’s D, they were dominating Mark Ingram all game against Bama and nearly won. It will definitely be a more interesting game than anyone thinks it will be. I know I’ll definitely try to watch assuming I’m not going to the Citrus Bowl, which I cannot confirm nor deny at the moment.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 8, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Rivalry Game....

had a lot to do with that. Think those guys are going to be as pumped for jNW?

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 8, 2009 7:08 AM EST up reply actions  

to be completely awesome...

i did say we probably would open at -4.5. that’s pretty damn close.

We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.

by mikeissurreal on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Avatar needs to be moar bigger, dude.

by MainLion on Dec 8, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I clicked on it.

Hot.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

A tiger fan!

Sounds like just about everyone is in agreement on boths sides that this is a good match-up. Much better than some of the BCS games IMO.

by Totally Spoil on Dec 8, 2009 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

LSU Fan Here.

Looks like you guys have a nice healthy discussion here (with some Billy Cannon Bashing exceptions), we’ll look forward to having a nice little debate and friendly fire between now and NYD.

As a retort to the Billy and Les bashing above; don’t worry we love our counterfeitING hero and our flawed but (insert d word) fine football coach AND we promise not to pick on the elderly. BTW, how’s your grandPa and them?

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

I just wish people could banter with Penn State fans without resorting to talking about our "Grandpa"

But since you asked, he’s doing fine and currently stereotypically playing bocce and stereotypically joking with his stereotypical Italian friends about him outcoaching Bobby Bowden and WVU when Les was a twinkle in Charlie McClendon’s eyes.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Your folks

Characterize our coach as stupid, our all time hero as a criminal thug and ALL LSU fans as Psycho idiots and you’re upset because I called an 83 year old man grandpa?

Doesn’t he have like 27 grand children, btw? What do they call him?

Also, I like the stereotypical use of stereotypes as a retort to stereotypically common stereotyping! (I just had to one-up you!:-)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

"Your folks"

That was one person, friendo. I know nothing about this Heisman winner. I have never said one word about your fans.

And no one has called Les Miles stupid. Batshit? Yes. Stupid? No.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm only 'one' guy too

He’s ‘batstuff’ crazy…like a fox, be careful in underestimating!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

but....

….your all time hero IS a criminal. That’s just a fact, not a charcterization.

Our best running back of this decade is also a criminal, and a very bad person if you want balance.

by hbeach08 on Dec 8, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

Eh

It’s all a misunderstanding. Some get stabby; he gets punchy and slurry.

by MainLion on Dec 8, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no kidding

never thought of it that way. In the same breath, Ki-Jana was robbed

by hbeach08 on Dec 8, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That was Brad Banks

/semantics’d

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

In the words of your Big10 Brethern, “we all kill people, steals from you steals from me…” :-)

He did his time and is a reformed man (in fact he was made head of the prison health care system in our state) and we STILL love him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=091030BillyCannon (Great Article, worth the time to read!)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not going to earn any points

quoting the arm-punter around here.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Dec 8, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, reply violation...

Hey In the words of your Big10 Brethern, "we all kill people, steals from you steals from me…" :-)

He did his time and is a reformed man (in fact he was made head of the prison health care system in our state) and we STILL love him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=091030BillyCannon (Great Article, worth the time to read!)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm....

The proper BSD terminology is ‘Reply Fail’.

Now – geaux crazy.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The LSU Kickoff Return Anomaly

LSU ranked 110th in kickoff returns, which “Run Up The Score” noted in the original post. I looked at every kickoff LSU received this year, and the results were interesting, and reasonable given our opponent’s reluctance to kick the ball deep to our speedsters. LSU received 51 kickoffs in 2009. The average starting position on those kicks was the 33 yard line, and only once during the entire year did they start inside the 20. I have no idea how this ranks against other teams but I would be willing to bet it compares favorably…

The following is a loose comparison, because NCAA statistics are based on return yards, not starting field position (they don’t count touchbacks, KOs out of bounds, etc.), but if you estimate that an average “regular” college kickoff goes to the 5 yard line, then LSUs equivalent return yardage is 28 yards per kick. This would rank LSU as 3rd in the nation.

Some related stats for this matchup:

Kickoff Returns: LSU 110th, Penn State 106th
Punt Returns: LSU 1st, Penn State 108th
KR Defense: LSU 3rd, Penn State 62nd
PR Defense: LSU 10th, Penn State 115th

by Army Tiger on Dec 8, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

No news here with respect to return ranking. Step 1. Catch; don’t fumble. Step 2. Run.

Step 1 was a wee problem all season.

by MainLion on Dec 8, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

step 1 wasn't really the problem most of the time

later in the season it started to become a problem, though. Our real problem was that you can’t go on to step 2 if you call a fair catch, which is what we did approximately* 99.975% of the time.

*Numbers may not be approximate

by The JuggerNitt on Dec 8, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually,

even knowing when to do step 1 became a problem.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Dec 8, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

GREAT...

…bit of “inside the numbers” analysis. Proves that stats don’t mean everything.

by hbeach08 on Dec 8, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

LMAO

“and SWEET JESUS DON’T KICK IT TO TRINDON HOLIDAY EVER.” That would be your NCAA 100 meter dash champion with a time of 9.99. I think this post and Gregatron hit the nail on the head about us earlier. I’d only add that our interior OL has played pretty poorly. We need a speed back because we can’t open holes in the middle. Trindon would good if he weren’t 5’5, 160. And whoever that “Iowa Angry Running Back Hating” God you speak of took care of the rest of them. We’re down to Ridley, who has looked pretty dang good, our former 3rd string QB, and 5’5 track athlete with world class speed but very poor balance. Add onto that the lack of protection JJ gets, and that’s why our Offense is so bad. Well, that and because Crowton will go from the i to the spread to the pistol to the wildcat in 4 straight plays. We do many things. We’re good at nothing.

On the bright side, Patrick Peterson is a god. When Penn State has the ball, it’s 10 on 10. That leaves all purprose head hunter Chad Jones free to give help over the middle or to the other CB. It’s a stout defense. Good luck and please don’t hurt any more of our running backs.

by Big McLargeHuge on Dec 8, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Blast Hardcheese!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Gristle McThornBody!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 8, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Punch RockGroin!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Slab Bulkhead!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy,

What the heck are these guys talking about, Batman?

People think cajuns talk funny!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to BSD.

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09

by kmblue on Dec 8, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a secret decoder ring I can purchase?

I don’t have a clue what the heck these guys are saying!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 8, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s hard to explain if you’ve never seen “Mystery Science Theater 300”.

To shortly summarize: the MST3K crew “riffed” a movie by the name of “Space Mutiny”. And since the stereotypical muscular hero of the awful movie was stereotypical and stupid, the MST3K crew made up names for him. Including Big McLargeHuge.

IcersGuy and I apparently both saw the name “Big McLargeHuge” for what it is: an homage to an excellent TV show, which set us off

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Youtube video here

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

MST3K

Greatest. Show. Ever.

May Zug curse whoever made the decision to take it off the air.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bad episode of that show. It sucks that all the DVD sets are like 50 bucks a pop.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8590533394044637016#

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, I've had that page of MST3K episodes bookmarked

for almost a year now. The only problem is I can’t stop watching after one, that show is like crack for me.

by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

good times

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton

by psu in the w-b on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Punch SideIron!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 8, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Flint IronStag!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 8, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Splint ChestHair!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 8, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Butch Deadlift!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Bob Johnson!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Slab SquatThrust!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Buff DrinkLots!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Thick McRunFast!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Punt SpeedChunk!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Smoke ManMuscle!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Smoke ManMuscle

= Your D, Stevan Ridley (Ridley might be our fith string RB but he’s a full grown muscle man who is going to Smoke your D!)

I’m getting the hang of this.

Keep them coming! :-)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 9, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Smash LampJaw!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Stump BeefKnob!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Slate FistCrunch!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Rip SteakFace!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Pack BlowFist!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Bridge LargeMeat!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Crud BoneMeal!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Bolt VanderHuge!

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Crunch ButtSteak!

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 10, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Punt SpeedChunk

= Our D, Trindon Holiday (you punt we get a chunk of yards because of his speed)

How’s my translation skill?

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The "Iowa Angry Running Back Hating" God

may be Old Testament Hep

We’re not sure. But thanks for sacrificing a couple of your guys. We were down to a true freshman and a walk on at one point

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Dec 8, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing for you guys to worry about...

Les Miles has been dominant in bowls game in his time at LSU. Last year a defense that had been shoddy all year completely shut down Georgia Tech. See Ohio State in the NCG, Notre Dame in the Sugar, Miami before that. The Hat is a great coach with a month to prepare.

by Nearl on Dec 8, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

Against Miami, a Notre Dame team that shouldn’t have been there, an Ohio State team that shouldn’t have been there, and Georgia Tech. I’ll give him credit for the first and last bowl games, but Ohio State would have been killed by WVU.

Moreover, change “The Hat” to “Joe Paterno for the last 40 years” and we’re even.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

What about USC?

USC was the most talented team in the country, and they had an exceptional gameplan that took advantage of their experienced quarterback and 5 star WRs and abused our unskilled secondary. Kudos to them. And even still, a few breaks go our way in the 2nd, and the game would have been much close, in all likelihood.

If USC didn’t have their annual issue with middling Pac 10 teams, they would have won the national title last year. They would have crushed Florida in a bowl.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

And, realistically, I see no way you can blame that on Paterno

Their weren’t any adjustments we could make on defense. For instance, blitzing wouldn’t help since our corners weren’t trustworthy out on an island.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Dude

I know you want to think that based on the outcome of the Rose but, IMHO, USC has been the most overrated team in the country for several years. They only play the Pac1, tOSU (the most exposed team in the country) and ND. They might as well play in the FCS.

In 2003 we would have beat them in New Orleans, no doubt in my mind. 2004, if they had played Auburn they might have ZERO championships and I’m really not on an SEC kick here but they wouldn’t have beaten OU last year much less Florida – just saying.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 9, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

USC is dominant in big games

Everyone took this as an established fact before this year. But last year, it was still true.

Oklahoma was Sam Bradford, some good receivers, Jermaine Gresham, and a bad defense. In retrospect, Oklahoma had zero impressive wins.

Florida would have been a much tougher draw than OU, but they could be had by USC. USC could leave their secondary alone, and shut down Tebow with their d-line and three NFL linebackers.

The fact of the matter is, when USC has a talented roster as they did last year, they are damned near impossible to beat in a bowl game. I hate this because I hate USC, and this may change as the brain drain from Carroll’s staff continues, but it’s still true.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Excuse my poor wording

It’s late

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the problem

USC doesn’t play in ‘big’ games.

The only ‘big’ game they’ve played was 05 Texas and that didn’t work out.

03 Michigan was not very good.
04 OU was a Joke
Whatever year ND actually beat them before the officials put time erroneously back on the clock for the ‘Bush Push,’ ND wasn’t that good – though I remember that as one of their better teams in a long while..
They beat up on sorry ND and Tosu every year and then get a weaker matchup in a bowl game so everyone thinks they are great.

There is a reason they are susceptible to getting worked by a weak (several this year) unranked cream puff every year, they are OVER RATED!!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Dec 9, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately,

An equal argument could be made for how good you guys are. What proves you’re not just as overrated as Notre Dame or Ohio State? Sorry to lump you in with them, but the similarities are there.

by Nearl on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

What similarities?

The winning bowl record, all time? The winning record against SEC teams? The fact that we are capable of beating SEC teams? The fact that we can win a bowl game that’s not against Hawaii?

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm only talking about this season.

And I’m talking about lack of quality wins/substance behind the ranking in this specific season. Very similar situations is all I meant. I don’t want to get into program history or SEC vs. Big Ten because that’s all pretty irrelevant.

by Nearl on Dec 9, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Even more clarification

Penn State this season compared to tOSU in 2007 and Notre Dame in 2006. Poor wording on my part from the very beginning.

by Nearl on Dec 9, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion, Ohio State wasn't that overrated in 2007

They were ranked high because everyone else kept losing. And the media was rather annoyed by their place in the title game.

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

We were very much overrated earlier this year

The media thought “Great last year, Sean Lee, Daryll Clark. Hell, why not!”

We are ranked high now because few teams in college football have any quality wins. This includes LSU.

*this excludes moron coaches who constantly vote us ahead of Iowa for some reason

"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09

by ReadingRambler on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

And to be clear, I wasn't just talking about Miles being 4-0

in the bowl games. We have been such a better team that it’s frustrating to think back on the regular season losses. It could be an anomaly, but we’ll see on January 1st.

by Nearl on Dec 9, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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