NCAA In Talks With TV Networks About Expanding Field
I don't see how doing this does anything productive for the sport. From the story:
The NCAA has started meeting with broadcasters to explore the media value of expanding the men’s basketball tournament field, industry sources say.
The idea talked about with TV networks would likely take it from its current field of 65 teams to 96 teams and add another week to the competition, with the top 32 teams receiving byes. The move has been characterized as folding the NIT into the NCAA tournament.
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Other random news before we dive head first into LSU
-Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate are reportedly on their way to the NFL
-A rumor Kelly might be passed by ND for “ethical” reasons…keep the reaction to this one BSD-friendly please.
BSD
I see no reason for either to stay at ND.
That place is going to be a blackhole for suck next year. Yikes.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Clausen's apparently
one of the top qb’s on the board. I think he’ll succeed on Sundays. He’s ridiculously accurate, tough (you’ve got to be when you get demolished constantly behind ND’s line), and a good decision maker.
I think Mel Kiper, Jr. has projected him as a mid first rounder.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
yikes
I think we should stay away from the Kelly thing — that’s got the makings of an ugly political debate. I for one hope they burn through their list and end up re-hiring Tyrone Willingham.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Look at the first comment on that page
How to know when your football program might be in serious trouble…
I don’t give a rip if he has relations with farm animals; if the dude can win, bring him in to coach!
I don’t care what your political or religious beliefs are, you can’t help but laugh at the excuses ND is coming up with to eliminate candidates for the head coaching position. It’s hilarious. Why not just make the Pope the next head coach and be done with it! Oh wait, he was in the Hitler Youth, cross another name off the list…
They should. and just abolish the regular season.
Or at least postpone it until after football season so it doesn’t mess up the scores crawl.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Dec 7, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
How does adding a bunch of teams that have virtually no chance of winning the tournament make the sport any better?
And, heck, wouldn’t this lead to worse scheduling in hoops as the cutoff for bubble teams becomes lower, you could afford a few more RPI killers there and still make it. So, why not schedule for dollars and leave the compelling matchup — and potential losses — on the table. I mean, you’ve got tot hink that the NCAA wouldn’t start taking teams with losing records, right? So, getting a little over .500 overall from a major conference would probably get you in regardless of SOS.
That was exactly my thought as well
I always argue that the NCAA tournament is probably worse than the BCS in regards to crowning a true champion. However, no one ever mentions this because it is a good TV event.
They could go the English Premier League route and have a huge single elimination tournament involving every college team down to Division III, but at the same time crown the actual champion via a best of three tournament amongst conference champions.
Because, because, because, because
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
isn't that a song?
i think you have to pay royalties now…
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Dec 7, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
for that comment.
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
O'Jays - For The Love of Money
and if by questions, you mean screamed during the chorus…then yes
We decide when you hear the snap count...
I've lost my argument with Boston
They will do anything to make more cash.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
No, No, No...
This will just ruin the tournament. Right now the tournament is not too small and not too big.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions
What is the point of this other than allowing Iowa into the tournament?
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
If they expand...
almost every team from the major conferences will get in.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 7, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
If you doubled it
and there was still a NIT, we might make that.
No.
No, we wouldn’t
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 7, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
And yet a football playoff is impossible, illogical and downright unamerican.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 7, 2009 11:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
no
not making butt-loads of cash from a terrible but extremely lucrative bowl system would be un-american.
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Dec 7, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
getting into the tournament
for many of the teams is an accomplishment in itself.
expanding the filed by nearly %30 kind of makes it less special, IMO.
like having bowl games for teams with 6 wins. as much as i don’t like ND, the move by their players to exclude themselves from a bowl game showed humilty.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
I agree, however
with their bowl track record and an interim coach in charge, that may have been a strategary to avoid a losing record. (Probably not, but I like to think it was the root concern).
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
What the H...
how did my comment land here? – it was supposed to be replying to a comment about ND rejecting a bowl bid.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I like it
I really do, then it takes alot of this “bubble” talk out. It gives any team a chance, and if they do it right could reward teams for having a higher seed (say hosting the first round) I like it…
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
Doesn’t every team “have a chance” right now? What purpose is there to add in a bunch of 16-14 type teams to the current field?
That's not true though
Had Penn State gotten in, it would have been as 9 or a 10 seed. Most other top NIT seeds, probably as an 8 or a 9.
My main concern would be using the expanded field to weed out the small schools that qualify on the 15 and 16 lines, almost always as confrence tournament champions. I think that those schools earned their way in, and should not have to play an extra round to benefit marginal big confrence schools [even if it is Penn State].
Other than that, I don’t see what the big deal is. Instead of being NIT champs, maybe we win three, possibly four, games in the NCAA’s.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
Had Penn State gotten in, it would have been as 9 or a 10 seed. Most other top NIT seeds, probably as an 8 or a 9.
Howso? If we were in, we would have been around a 12 seed, which is where the last bubble teams generally end up. If you let in another 31 teams, what you are basically doing is bringing a whole bunch of teams that would be the quality of 12-15 seeds and pitting them against the current 32 (well, 33) 9-16 seed teams and getting “new” fodder to go against the top 32 teams who are inevitably going to produce the champion anyway.
If PSU was a 9-10 seed quality last season, they would have gotten into the NCAAs without being a bubble team.
If the last bubble team got in as a 12, I stand corrected.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
At large teams
FWIW: The lowest seeded at large teams are typically 12 seeds, sometimes 13 seeds (depends on how good the automatic qualifiers are from weaker conferences). In 2009, Arizona and Wisconsin were at large teams and were 12 seeds.
128 team playoff, no regular season, the tourny begins in January and ends in April
Pepsi Presents: Spring Madness, presented by Wells Fargo
The preseason rankings dictate the seeding (the Toyota Preseason NCAABB Rankings show), split the whole thing up into corporate sponsored brackets (the JC Penny’s North-Nortwestern Bracket, the Haynes Southwestern Regional Semi Final, etc.) Then have a losers bracket with runner up trohpies (the Pizza Hut Consolation Bracket Finals presented by Vizio).
You’ll end up with a National Champion, a Consolation Champion, regional champions, and state champions all with all the merchanise and T-shirts proclaiming such.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
OSU fans
would wear those shirts;)
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Dec 7, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I find your ideas intriguing
And wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I say let's rock the Orange Bowl, because nobody will remember in five years anyway.
But just think of all the third world children we'd clothe with all the losers t-shirts in a playoff!!!
We’d be like Super Bono.
by dawsonPSU10 on Dec 7, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As if people already don't get any work done during March Madness as it is
The entire country will probably collapse, partially due to basketball induced strokes.
Do what Bobby Knight said, have all the teams in.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Hmm, a 300 team round robin
double elimination. Quick, we need some eggheads to compute how long it will take to run this out.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
That sounds a lot better to me than this option.
Serious thought: do it the way they do soccer competitions in many European countries. Have an NCAA tournament that coincides with regular season play (the way that England has for example their regular season but has a “cup competion” which is a bracketed playoff called the FA Cup at the same time). I know it sounds odd but bear with me….
The NCAA tournament games are midweek — Tues/Wed/Thur, a team plays in one game a week. The first round would be enough games to get it down to 256 teams (lesser teams would play against each other). From 256 teams, there are 8 games to a champion. Seeding can be done using results from the past 3 or 5 (or whatever) NCAA tournaments. If you haven’t been in the tournament at all during that time, then you go in the lowest pot (the play-in teams to get to 256). Once this system is up and running a few years, you can use the results from this massive tournament to seed teams.
Meanwhile, on weekends (Sat/Sun), teams play “regular season” games. This can be exclusively or mostly conference games. Here you are playing for your conference championship. And it would allow for full round robin (well, except for maybe with the excessively sized Big East) — the Big Ten can play 20 games, the SEC/ACC/Big 12 can play 22, etc. There can also be some midweek games as well, as the NCAA tournament won’t be every week (it’s only 8-9 weeks long).
If you are eliminated from the NCAA tournament early, well you still have the “regular season” games to play.
By the end of March/early April we would have a grand champion of NCAA as well as keep the tradition of conferences intact. It just might work…..
Question
So is there really any point at all to the season?
Also, minor issue, but I think in college sports is very much unfair to punish/reward teams for past performance.
BSD
The point would be to win your conference. I think there’s at least some value in that especially considerig those are the teams you play year in and year out. And honestly, I actually dislike the way that conference championships are basically afterthoughts in NCAA basketball. They should mean something, but they are just means to an end (making the tournament).
This is why playoffs are bad
And shouldn’t be introduced to football. There is inevitable creep to include more “deserving” teams, to the point that it makes the regular season meaningless. Say you start with a 4 team playoff. Within a few years, there will be immediate pressure to up to 8 teams because it was so successful and/or the belief that teams are being excluded. And then it will go up again, and again, and again so that soon, everyone in smelling distance of the Top 25 will be in the playoffs.
And the real reason it will happen? Same reason the NCAA basketball tourney wants to expand: money. But it will ruin the best part of college football – the fact that the regular season MATTERS.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Seriously
It’s almost like this concept has been released in order to quell any support for a college football playoff. It’s like “Do you see what happens once you allow a playoff? This is why we need to keep the BCS.”
"folding the NIT into the NCAA tournament"
This situation sounds more analogous to the BCS expanding from four to five games.
’it will ruin the best part of college football"
That the preseason polls MATTER?
I think it’s pretty unarguable that people care more about the results of individual regular season college football game than theu do the results of individual college basketball games. Part of that is the total number of games, of course, but a big part is that college basketball’s regular seaon is simply looked at as a means to get to the “real season” — the NCAA tournament. And, heck, you don’t even need to have a good regular season — you can win your conference tournament and still go to the NCAAs even with a lousy regular season.
I agree 100% with this:
you can win your conference tournament and still go to the NCAAs even with a lousy regular season
As long as the football conferences don’t develop tournaments for their bids to an NCAA tournament, the regular season will matter. (Also, I forsee that forces inside and outside the NCAA will keep the field from expanding much further than 65 or so for basketball or 8 for football, so I’m not concerned about that.)
there's a clear difference between a reasonable playoff and communism
sorry, we need playoffs
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 7, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think it would eliminate the fun of the bubble team watch.
If you’re the 97th best team in the nation, you’ve got no reason to complain.
Come on
66th place isn’t exactly good. That is about the 77th percentile! I think people will still watch and they know it. The thing is, it eliminates some of the smaller teams who would have a chance to cause that 15-2 upset by giving the big teams a bye. Just like the TCU-Boise matchup. They know how to stick it to the small money teams while claiming it is for “the greater good.”
@collegiatestdms
True
It’s not like the bubble teams who miss out ever expect to actually win the tournament now. I mean, we were all disappointed that PSU didn’t make it in, but if we had gotten there, getting 2 (let alone 3) wins would have been huge. There was no way we were going to the Final four or anything.
All this would do is add in a ton of teams who are thrilled to just say they made the tournament.
Well, in basketball there are 347 teams...
ok, so that was taken from wikianswers, but its probably close enough give or take 10 or 20. That makes 66th out of 327 (lets give the 20) is the 80th percentile. Being in the top 20% cant be that bad.
The reason people would stop talking about bubble teams is because
1) Only alumni would likely have ever even heard of these schools.
2) People complain about missing the bubble because it means they had a decent season if they made the tournament. Expanding the field dilutes this criteria for a decent season (for all but the worst of teams).
I like it...
I think it will kill the NIT for sure. The top few teams in the NIT were normally pretty good teams playing hot at the end of the season that did not have the credentials to get into the NCAA tourney. The other tourney that is out there will also be destroyed but I don’t think the teams are good enough right now once you get below the NIT.
It will not hurt the bubble discussion. There will still be teams missing the tourney or complaining they should have a bye. That discussion will stop when they loose in the first round. :-)
I don’t think it will make the whole thing any less special. I think there will be more smaller and hotter teams and the round of 64 teams will really be the best 64 teams in the country instead of the best 40 or so.
It will also make the first two round a lot better. The first play in round will be better matched teams. Also, I think then that you will get more upsets in the second round. Especially with the better teams that have been sitting for two weeks with out playing.
The only thing better than this would be a football playoff of the top 16 teams!
Peter
They should
kill the NIT, because it is useless as most of the bowl games are, but 96 teams is too much. 80 teams would be better.
whats the real difference between 80 and 96 though? its still a ton.
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