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Simmons vs. Jones: who ya got?

So I kinda like Bill Simmons' writing and I just learned some others think he's a douche.  I kinda think David Jones is a douche, while others kinda like him.  So, to douche or not to douche: Jones vs. Simmons in the octagon.  Please make liberal use of comments to support your assertions or debunk the tastes and preferences of your friends, colleagues, enemies.  Extra credit and possibly a Rec (or, dare we?: a siren) to the most disparaging counterargument posted.  Let's get it on!

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Who's the bigger 'douche' (apologies for crassness)?
Bill Simmons
25 votes
David Jones
48 votes

73 votes | Poll has closed

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They're both douches

but I think Jones wins out on the “bigger douche”. Perhaps Simmons is more of a “turd sandwich”

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 20, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Anyway, I voted for Simmons simply because I haven’t read enough of Jones’s columns to form an opinion.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

by ReadingRambler on Feb 20, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The Tie

Is that the tie that Zug acquired when he vaporized Captain America, J Leman? That is awesome.

by dawsonPSU10 on Feb 20, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and

I think you should edit this post to include two polls.

The other poll’s entries:

1. Graham Zug.

2. Zug.

3. Zug’s evil cousin, Zraham Gug.

Just my opinion…

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

by ReadingRambler on Feb 20, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

I thought his evil cousin

was named Guz Maharg?

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 20, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's his evil uncle

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

by ReadingRambler on Feb 20, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bill Simmons is/was

an entertaining writer. I haven’t really read his stuff for 2 years or so. He is a self professed homer so I take any Boston sports talk with a grain. I always did like his pop culture infusion. I think a lot of his stuff was very relatedable as well.

David Jones is and OSU grad that many PSU fans brand as a douche simply because he doesn’t tell us what we want to hear. I have no problem with him having some harsh words for PSU. The fact hat Jones is not a PSU yes-man makes him a bigger Douche bag in this head-to-head.

pinkertonpark.com - you owe yerself a laugh.

by rahpsu92 on Feb 20, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

How about both

I don’t like either.

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by 06Lion on Feb 20, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

Pat Forde

in a landslide. He is the King of the douches

by whiteoutonly on Feb 20, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

that's be like including the Steelers

in the BCS National Championship game (though come to think of it, they probably wouldn’t have been able to match the OMG ESS EEE CEE SPEED!!! either)

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 20, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

the typical Pat Forde column

reads like an essay from an 8th grader. He just throws out a bunch of names for no obvious reason (other than seeing if he can think of 40 of them), makes outrageous claims with no statistical evidence, raves on about some random stupid factoid for way too long, and attempts to call some obscure, retired sports figure out of hiding for no reason at the end. I even find it kind of annoying how he adds a hot girl into every column for no reason. King of the douches he is.

by jimbo2psu on Feb 23, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Jones

There’s a lot of people out there who don’t like Joe Paterno — they think he’s a a-hole, they think his son is an even bigger a-hole… That’s Jones’ demographic right there.

For example, here’s a good way of cutting it…

the Rose Bowl, now most people on this board think we got beat bad in the cover-3, and our offense had just enough misteps to not allow a comeback. People look at the field goal toward the end of the game and say ‘well we NEEDED a field goal at some point’ They look at the slow-and-steady offense as just us not panicking and executing a gameplan, never giving up.

Now, Jones’ demographic, those people look at the USC game and say look, we got beat bad early, but we were in that game in the 4th quarter. When the USC kids are celebrating way too early like they’ve already won, THAT’S when you kick an onsides kick and steal the momentum THAT’S when you go for broke and go for the jugular. But we played Joe Paterno football, we NEVER on-sides kick, we ALWAYS play for the field goal even when we’re down 17 late in the 4th inside the 20. Joe Paterno football is built on this stubborn old man doing things his way no matter what. 4th and inches inside the opponents 10? field goal. Joe doesn’t care if he wins so long as he does things his way.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 20, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Jones wins

I’ve read Simmons since freshman year of college- I think he peaked a few years ago (though having two kids probably cuts into his pop culture/sports time a bit). I’m not a Sox fan (far from it) but I love his book- those articles are some of the most genuine from-the-view-of-the-fan things you’ll find in MSM. Are there bloggers that do it better than him now? Yes. But if you look at him compared to Rick Reilly…well, yeah.

Jones on the other hand…yeah.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 20, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Still looking for disparaging...

So far, Millzners is huggin it out by himself with best points put forth.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Feb 20, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Jones

You need people like Jones who will call out the program/Joe.

Does he go out of his way to make a point, yes.

When you only get one side of the picture all the time, its tough to tell reality. He is right more than wrong, I like him but read w/ grain of salt.

by SweepTheLeg on Feb 20, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

That's the thing...

you completely lose all credibility when you take the same side of the argument 100% of the time, just for argument’s sake. Rain in State College today? Blame JoePa. Housing prices falling in Boalsburg? Investigate Joe. At least with Bill Simmons you know up front he’s a diehard Boston guy and he doesn’t claim to have any journalistic integrity. When you read Simmons, you know you’re getting a funny, semi-serious point of view.

I don’t think you “need” people like Jones who may be right more often that not but seem to be wrong on purpose just to remain consistent on the side against Paterno. I think you if you’re a journalist you should make every attempt to stay objective.

by jimbo2psu on Feb 23, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Simmons

Simmons is a dick for a number of reasons, and quite frankly, I’m astounded that most people on here are unfamiliar or unaware how big of a douchenozzle the guy is.

My beef with him is that he’s a homer hack. His whole shtick is mostly writing about Boston teams, which is fine if you’re writing for a Boston newspaper or to a largely New England audience. But this assclown writes for an international audience. And since 99% of that audience aren’t some chowdah eatahs, we don’t really give two shits what he thinks about Tom Brady’s haircut or Belichick’s hoodie. There is a world outside Boston/New York, and I take offense to the fact that Simmons doesn’t even attempt to write to us. And I take even more offense to the fact that some of you don’t care, and actually enjoy his New England knobjobbing.

Simmons gets paid exorbitant amounts of money to do a job that the guys at BSD do…but he does it in a much more half-assed, unoriginal, amateurish way. And the final kicker is that he does it for the most evil, biased, unprofessional sports media giant ESPN. Everyone associated with tWWL is suspect. Well, everyone except Erin Andrews. She could club a baby seal while eating a fetus and she’d still get a pass from me.

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by 06Lion on Feb 20, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

I say we divert the exobitant amounts of money...

that those said douchebags make to the fine staff here at BSD…

(not that they need it, mind you… we all know how they roll…)

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on Feb 20, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We do know how they roll.

Mike has a grotto and hires children for photo ops. Kevin blogs in HD. And sources tell me that RUTS has a cellar full of Obama commemorative plates and coins.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 20, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I HAD a cellar full of that stuff.

I was smart enough to unload all that stuff in January, and now I’m rollin’ like the Zooker.

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by Run Up The Score on Feb 21, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I vote Simmons.

I don’t share in the Jones hating. He’s usually right, IMO.

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by Run Up The Score on Feb 21, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Whaaaat?

When was the last time Jones was right? See also: The past three years worth of columns about Joe’s departure & how high level BoT members confirmed Joe was as good as gone.

He was critical of our coaching & recruiting 5 years ago – he was right then. Since then, I’m not so sure.

by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 21, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I generally agree with his points

And he’s a very good basketball writer, as well. His tone can be grating, but I generally find him to be very knoweldgeable.

Diff’rent strokes.

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by Run Up The Score on Feb 21, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. You like his writing style.

You like his writing style. I dislike his made up sources.

I’m not sure I’ve ever read his basketball stuff – seems like his name only surfaces when one of his hatchet pieces comes around. Which may of course be part of the problem.

by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 21, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote Jones

Mostly, because I don’t give a shit about Simmons’ opinion on things, as he doesn’t touch college sports. He just blogs about his homo friends, Boston, his wife, Boston, 80s movies, and Boston.

Jones, on the other hand, is a dude who writes inflammatory pieces to rile up whoever he can rile up. And, he completely changes his stance on things depending on which way he thinks will get him more of a response. Plus, his “inside sources” on the Board of Trustees are laughable, yet that’s what he continues to cite as his main source of “inside” info. Basically, he just guesses, and figures he’ll eventually get it right about Joe, Graham, and Curley. Because every time so far, he’s been wrong.

by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 20, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

How soon we forget

Mark May

Ben and Alex... first commits for 2024

by 3Yardout on Feb 21, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Winner!

Is 06Lion. He successfully argued not only that Simmons sucks, but those of us who kinda like him—we also suck!

Runner-up is Tailgate Shogun, who properly cited Jones’ made-up sources as totp reason for his own brand of shite.

Third place goes to RUTS, who got off surprisingly easy in the entire endeavor.

pax et amor

by jtothep on Feb 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Tailgate Shogun is disqualified

if you are going to slam someone for using made up sources, how can you not use your own made up sources? Like my inside source from Jones’ family assures me that he molests underaged space aliens that he picks up with his space-van advertising free candy

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 23, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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