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Decommit U

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What Joe Paterno thinks you mean by instant message.

 

So despite being old and out of touch, Joe Paterno seems to have become the master of the latest trend in college football:

Scouts Inc. recruiting coordinator Bill Conley, in praising coach Joe Paterno, came up with a new moniker for "Linebacker U."

"Decommit U," he said on ESPNU. "Joe Pa's doing a great job."

Keep in mind he's accomplished all of this without sending text messages; and you know he's not sending text messages because he told the WWL he doesn't even own a computer.

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This is all commentary on Penn State's three talented signees who were all at one time "verbal commitments" to other schools (I'm talking about Kevin Newsome, Anthony Fera, and Darrell Givens).  Here is where things get twisted IMO:

If coaches now are being lauded for helping to convince committed players to renege on their word, college football really has gone mad. And it's more proof of the need for an early signing period.

For anyone who follows the creepy art of recruiting, "committed" is a term that is used rather loosely, and I resent the fact that a player who notifies a school months before signing day of his "decommitment" has (and this is a very poor choice of words) "reneged".

So all of this then leads to the faulty idea that moving up signing day would bring an end to the madness.  To me, this is a lot like saying if the IRS would move the tax deadline back a month no one would send their returns in late.

The problem is that college football coaches have become an incessant lot.  The reason we have so many "decommitments" probably isn't because the world is a more evil place, but rather because coaches are pushing for verbal "commitments" earlier and earlier in the process, to the point where there can be up to a year of open season remaining before he has to make any kind of binding pledge. 

Said recruiting analyst Tom Lemming: "Guys will commit to what I call a 'safe house' school and then look upward. They're making a mockery of college football."

How is a kid wanting to attend the best school available a "mockery"?  If you want to blame the spiraling craziness of college football recruiting on anyone, I think it's best to start with the coaches sending hundreds of text messages a day, opportunists like Brian Butler, or even the recruiting services (who employ guys like Tom Lemming) doing good business by generating as much hype as possible around the college choice of 17 year old student athletes.

The recruiting analysts are doing what they do, though: making a big deal out of things.  I guess at this point I should be okay with that.

Anyway...

A better solution is to add an early signing date, but at a meeting last month, conference commissioners voted 17-4 against creating one.

The Big Ten, reflecting its coaches' desires, was one of the four.

Moving the signing day up is not going to change the process, it's going to move the process up.  That is what most of these people fail to realize.  Yes, coaches love the idea of getting to lock down their recruits at a younger age, but they also are giving up the extra time they have now to evaluate what kids are the best fit.  If anything, it will only lead to the non-BCS schools picking up even more of the under the radar players, further loosening the grasp the power programs currently hold on recruiting (with other blows being scholarship reductions and the current demand most recruits have of seeing the field right away).

I think the solution lies somewhere in the idea Brian at mgoblog "cribbed" from iBlog For Cookies: essentially an opportunity to register for a do not call list.  By actually changing the rules, you can curb the insanity.  The player takes back a bit more control of the situation and the coaches aren't forced to be 24 hour-a-day creeps in order to land a decent class.

And really that's all I want, less creepiness.

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Yeah, Tom...

The problem is that coaches still pester a kid who has made a ‘commitment’ that, at the end of the day, carries the same weight as if they had said ’I’m going to be in the Pro Bowl some day’…

Would whoever is closest to Lemming please reach over and punch him in the back of the head?

You want to know what I think makes a mockery of College Football? Stroking the ego of a kid who already thinks he’s worthy of pulling up to the Hall of Fame in a limo to announce his intention to go to Notre Dame.

I’ll get on board with the idea supported by Kevin and iblogforcookies/Brian, but do we really need to formalize something like that? Honestly, I think part of the recruiting process should be the life lesson of manning up and telling a coach ‘look, I appreciate the interest, but I’ve made up my mind and I’m going somewhere else’; and part of being a good coach should be respecting a kid’s decision.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

now now

if the kid was really worth his salt he wouldn’t settle for just a limo, he’d go for a stretch Hummer. Also, he would get reconstructive surgury to make himself look like an emu, just to prove that ugly guys can succeed, too.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and-

somebody with some Photoshop skills really needs to invert JoePa’s hand in that picture.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

quick and dirty

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

in version 2.0

the wrist needs a little more work, and see about removing the shadow on his chest (and touch up the flesh colored splotch where the hand used to be). Otherwise, very nice :-D Not sure how appreciative JoePa would be of having such an image exist, though. Perhaps he might transform into one of your other creations

You did make that, right?

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah it was my fantasy football team name and avatar…

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I started that middle finger pic and soon realized that i bit off more than I could chew… heh.

maybe my lunch break will provide me with some time, b/c it is a pretty funny pic — his smile really says it all…

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

it is actually pretty decent

for what I’m assuming was a quick attempt. Also, much better than I could do even after hours of working at it (my photoshop skills are terrible). But it doesn’t look like it’d be that hard to fix up for ya when you actually have time. I was just pointing out the 3 things that stuck out most to me

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Needs Captioned

There you go, 15 minutes was all it took…

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Caption

And with 15 minutes of playing with photoshop, BSD’s chances of ever getting Beaver Stadium press passes went down the tubes.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

BSD? Sounds to much like BSC

And here’s what I have to say to the BSC!!

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And so I told Nixon to sit and spin

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Feb 9, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

haha...

this is one of the best photos we’ve got.

by deihlba on Feb 9, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Caption

“…so I tell the reporter, ‘You can’t hear it? Well, let me turn it up for you!’”

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Feb 9, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kind of thinking of doing one of those demotivational posters

Also, just about anything from BHGP would probably be 10 times funnier then anything I could come up with…

Is there something you’d rather talk about?

 I THOUGHT YOU WOULD NEVER ASK. THE YEAR WAS 1996, AND WE WERE 4-0. WE HAD BEATEN OUR OPPONENTS BY A COMBINED 138-14. WE HAD THOROUGHLY DEMORALIZED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA IN THE OPENING GAME AND I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO THINK I HAD ENDED THAT ANGLO BASTARD JOHN ROBINSON’S CAREER THERE SINGLEHANDEDLY. THE DEAN COMES INTO MY OFFICE AND TELLS ME MY STARTING QUARTERBACK HAD PASSED HIS MIDTERM

 Well, that’s good news.

 IT WAS PICKED OFF AND RETURNED FOR A TOUCHDOWN

 What?

 WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WALLY RICHARDSON

 Yeah, he sucks. But I don’t really see

 LONG STORY SHORT, I HAD THE DEAN KILLED AND WE WON THE FIESTA BOWL THAT SEASON UNDER WALLY’S STEADY LEADERSHIP

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Caption for the original:

“Hey Jones, can you hear this?…”

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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by ReadingRambler on Feb 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

We should move up Christmas too...

since there’s a recession going on, I think it would help all involved to move Christmas up to June 25th this year. Stimulating the economy and all….

by jimbo2psu on Feb 9, 2009 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

In Feldman's article

I like that he points this out:

The reality is Texas, FSU or USC could land the same kid as VT and the likelihood is if he’s with one of the glamour schools he has a better shot of getting labeled as a 4-star than if he’s chased by the Hokies. Looking back over the years, Darryl Tapp was a 3-star guy; Duane Brown was a 3-star guy; Noland Burchette was a 2-star; DB Jimmy Williams a 3-star; and David Clowney a 2-star.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

Feldman

I’ve always liked his takes on things, he is one of the rare guys over there that covers thing nationally yet seems to bring a sense of balance to his arguments.

BSD

by KevinHD on Feb 9, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Coaches bring decommits on themselves

They push for the early commitments to give themselves recruiting momentum. Sign up a few four star guys in February and other four star guys are more likely to give you a look. They tell these kids they have to commit now or else they’re going to offer some other kid who will commit on the spot.

From the kid’s perspective, they see their peers committing left and right and coaches are telling them spots are running out fast. So they verbal to the nearest BCS schools to “hold their spot”. Then they look around to see what else is out there. If something better comes along they decommit. Is it unethical? Maybe. But you can’t blame the kid for looking out for himself when these college coaches are doing the same thing.

College football has become a big money business. And when big money is involved ruthless decisions will be made and people are going to get hurt. That’s just the way it is.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

You absolutely can not fault a 17-18 year old kid for looking after himself, it is HIS future afterall. I understand coaches have a job to do, but they also have the job of producing quality young men which can only happy if said man doesn’t constantly regret going to a certain school.

by Roland86 on Feb 10, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

No Big Deal

Yes it is important for kids to learn that their word should mean something. However, if not contract (letter of intent) is signed, then there is no problem here. If coaches are afraid of losing kids, they should continue to sway them even after a verbal committ. Many times after a verbal, recruiters move on to the next kid.

Maybe this is also another way for a player to stick it to a coach, just like when a coach leaves for another school after making all of these glorious promises to a kid.

by MrBrianPSU on Feb 9, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly
If coaches are afraid of losing kids, they should continue to sway them even after a verbal committ. Many times after a verbal, recruiters move on to the next kid.

I doubt any coach is going to waste a lot of time on a kid who says with a level head that he’s committed to another program. The ones who get poached are probably giving some indication that their choice is still open, despite a standing verbal.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

How many times do you hear “I’m committing to State University but I’m still going to take my other visits”

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Feb 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

If a kid says, “I’m still committed, but I’m just looking around,” he’s not committed. That’s almost as bad as

“I’m still committed, but I haven’t made a decision.” Huh?

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

"reneged"

Why is it an improper use of the word? Its root is basically renegotiate and means “to go back on a commitment”

by JoePaPa on Feb 9, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I wondered that also

but I figured he meant that since there isn’t technically any contract/commitment yet, there isn’t really anything you can renege on. All a verbal is (and explicitly so, otherwise people would be held to their verbal commits) is someone saying “yeah, I’ll probably go to this school”. Even if a kid says “I’m definitely going to this school”, until that letter is signed, “definitely” just equals “probably”

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Right.

Because every once in a while you hear some journalist talk about how kids these days don’t know what it means to stay true to your word, that they are going back on promises. To me, “reneged” captures that sentiment when the reality is that the coaches and players both know it’s all just a game until signing day.

BSD

by KevinHD on Feb 9, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Because there is no commitment.

That’s what I’m trying to get at.

BSD

by KevinHD on Feb 9, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I predict a transfer from USC in about 3 years

“The [USC] coaches kept fighting for me all the way until the end,” Moore told Rivals.com, offering a glimpse into his motivation — wanting to be wanted.

If that’s really his motivation, methinks that unless he turns into a superduper star (Leinart/Bush), he’s gonna feel underappreciated, just like a few guys did this past year

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Thinking about an early signing date

and I think Brian @ MGoBlog & iblogforcookies have a decent idea. An early signing date would be a terrible idea, and it isn’t like kids don’t verbal early already, all an earlier signing date would mean would be that verbals would get pushed even earlier. But if there was a “nonbinding letter of intent” (which could be cancelled at any time), and strictly enforced NCAA sanctions for other programs contacting such a kid, this seems like it would help the issue a lot.

Plus I think it would cut down on the number of early “verbal” (or I suppose I should say “nonbinding letter of inent”) commits, since only the kids who really mean it would be signing them, since they wouldn’t be allowed to take any (official) visits to other schools or meet with other coaches/recruiters/boosters. Then a school would know what they really have during the recruiting process and wouldn’t have to waste time still trying to sell your program to a kid who already committed just to make sure he doesn’t change his mind and go somewhere else after that guy in a wizard had comes and tries to sell some snake oil.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

Something must be wrong if 17 yr olds are changing their minds!!!

next you’re going to tell me that schools use hot young ’tang to influence recruits!
Unbelievable!

by InScoresOfOtherGames on Feb 9, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

I just can't believe anyone is taking this idea seriously

Really, the recruiting process is very much like an MTV dating show. Except instead of some hot bi-sexual asian chick it’s an old dude in kahki’s. Like the post said — creepy.

If Pete Caroll or Tressel had their way, they’d just sign contracts with school districts that stated if Ohio State or USC want you to play, you have to play there. It’s all about what these old guys want and it’s always at the expense of the kid’s and their futures.

There’s this huge push lately to make NCAAF more like NFL, there’s a reason: $$$. There’s also a reason I hate the NFL: $$$. The more things become all about the money, the less they’re about football — until eventually it’s WWF Football.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

XFL Coach of the Year Galen Hall has no comment.

by Aaron PSU on Feb 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Is that true? I had no idea.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

by ReadingRambler on Feb 9, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Early signing period

what would stop the kids from asking for a release from their LOI if they move it up? I’m pretty sure it would happen eventually and then it would just become what the verbal commitment is now.
   However, I do see some good in an early signing period from the recruits perspective. If he blows out his knee halfway through senior year at least he’d have that LOI to fall back on. Another situation would be a higher end school pulling a scholarship from a kid once they get a better recruit to fill their quota at that position

by WPIALkid22 on Feb 9, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe

but you lose a year of elligibility if you sign a LOI and then transfer. An LOI is binding for that year so I don’t think a school can just pull the LOI. The only thing that has to be stipulated is that if there is a coaching change before the final LOI day then the players can choose to leave their LOI.

by psuphiman80 on Feb 10, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

losing a year of eligibility isn't a small matter, though

and would be a deterrent, whereas right now there is zero penalty for reneging on a verbal commitment, and so it wouldn’t “just become what the verbal commitment is now”

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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