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The class of 2009 is on the books now. We took a few days to enjoy our triumphs, imagine who will be the freshman designated to run the not-so-surprising end arounds, and think about depth charts three years down the road. But recruiting never ends. With the 2009 signees finalized, the staff immediately turned their attention to the class of 2010 and will be mailing out offer letters in the coming days.

Here at BSD we have a spring ritual of going through each position one at a time to determine what Penn State's major needs are maybe identify some of the key targets on the board. But before we can do that, we have to determine how many scholarships they have to play with. Here is the list of scholarship players who will run out of eligibility after the 2009 season.

A.J. Wallace Andrew Quarless Jerome Hayes
James McDonald Kevin Cousins Devin Fentress
Jeremy Boone Josh Hull Nerraw McCormack
Sean Lee Daryll Clark Dennis Landolt
Mickey Shuler Jared Odrick Ako Poti
Knowledge Timmons

So there are 16 scholarship players that will not be eligible to return for the 2010 season. But projecting the exact amount of scholarships at this point is difficult to do.

One problem Penn State faces right now is that if you add up the scholarship players returning in 2009 plus the number of kids we signed in this new recruiting class you come up with 88 or 89 players. So Penn State is going to have to shed three or four guys to get down to the 85 man scholarship limit by August. Fifth year seniors who have their degree are usually the first to go when tough roster cuts have to be made. So assuming three or four guys from the list above are the ones who get cut, Penn State may only have as little as 12 spots available on the 2010 roster. (89 - 16 = 73) But more than likely I think we'll see one or two kids from this latest class greyshirted.

Of course there are always a few kids who transfer after the spring when it becomes apparent their time at Penn State isn't going to work out. These are usually juniors and sophomores who came in highly touted but haven't been able to crack the depth chart. There is usually superior upper class talent ahead of them and a host of incoming stud freshmen behind them. Some kids to keep an eye on would be Chris Colasanti, Jon Ditto, Nick Sukay, Andrew Dailey, Quinn Barham, Kevion Latham, Tom McEowen, and Bani Gbadyu.

(NOTE: BSD is just speculating on these players. I have no knowledge of any of these kids seeking a transfer. I'm just saying their position is one where transfers tend to happen. Please do not start any threads on FOS saying BSD says all these players are transferring.)

The other possibility is that we lose a few kids who elect to leave early for the NFL. Navorro Bowman has to be a strong consideration for this if he plays at the same level he did in 2008. Other candidates would include Evan Royster, Abe Koroma, and Stefen Wisniewski if any of them have a breakout junior year.

We have 16 kids that can't come back. But we're already over the 85 scholarship limit by three or four. We'll undoubtedly lose a few kids between now and August due to transfers or, God forbid, dismissals. And keep in mind the staff always has the option of oversigning in the next class and hoping to shed a few next spring too.

So when it's all said and done I think we'll see a 2010 class between 18-20 kids. Over the next few weeks we'll break down the roster by position to determine where our specific needs are and we'll discuss some of the targets the staff is going after.

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ok....

who let her in?

Settle it on the field!

by PSUncle1981 on Feb 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

But I wonder if she has the hots for guys that run blogs?

How you doin’, sweatheart?

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Miley Curus?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

by ReadingRambler on Feb 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mildly Curious?

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what I'm wonderin'

All your inside jokes are belong to you?

by blogue20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing

There was a spam comment telling everyone there were a lot of sports fans on some dating website. I banned them and deleted the comment.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Any news on J Hayes?

That kid definately should be looking into a medical redshirt after his run of bad luck… Any ideas how that’s going or when we should know?

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hayes

I’ve heard nothing but good news about him. They said this injury wasn’t as severe as the first one. They expect him to participate in non-contact drills this spring and be ready to go next fall.

He would be a good candidate for a medical redshirt. But he’ll likely have his degree and whether or not he wants to return will be iffy. If he remains healthy and has a good season I would enter the NFL draft if I were him.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought...

To be eligible for a medical redshirt, whatever time a player saw the field couldn’t come in the beginning of the season?

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Redshirt Rules

The rule says the player cannot play in more than 20% of the games for the season (rounding up) in which he hopes to ask for a medical redshirt. And all participation must take place in the first half of the season. So, in a 12 game season you can’t play more than three games in the first half of the season. Hayes was injured in the second game against Oregon State. That would make him eligible for a medical redshirt.

A player cannot apply for a medical redshirt until after his final year of eligibility is expired. So come next January Hayes it going to have to decide pretty quickly if he wants to enter the NFL draft and start training or if he wants to take a chance and apply for the medical redshirt. If he applies for the medical redshirt he runs the chance of not getting it, and by the time he gets the news it may be too late to enter and train for the NFL draft. So my guess is 2009 will be Hayes’ last year if he remains healthy. If he gets injured again I bet he’ll apply for the medical redshirt.

In another note, Devon Still got into the games against Michigan State and USC, so his chance for a medical redshirt is blown because it was in the second half of the season.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, O Wise One

The way I was remembering it seemed kind of bass-ackwards (not that that’s exactly uncommon in NCAA rules), but your description looks like what I remember reading.

Didn’t Still already get a medical exemption, thus there was no way under current rules that he could have gotten a second?

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike

Is that a common thing for PSU, dumping a few of the 5th year guys to make room for the new schollies? I’m sure it goes on at all schools, just don’t want it to escalate into an Alabama or Mississippi type situation.

by Screen Name 20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It happens

But I think it’s a mutual thing. I can’t recall ever reading about Penn State asking a kid to give up his scholarship. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they callled in some fifth year guy that has his degree and zero chance of playing in his final year and say, “Hey look, you would really be helping us out if we could free up your scholarship for someone else.” If the kid has the Penn State morals instilled in him by that point he’ll take one for his team.

But if we’re only looking at having to shed three or four guys I think we can do it without having it come to that. Some kids in this class may have to take a grayshirt year. There is talk that Kersey may not qualify and Wallace will probably be asked to grayshirt too. Then there is always one or two kids who leave after spring practice when it becomes apparent they are not going to be major players at Penn State. In some of these cases it’s Joe who calls in a few slackers and tells them their time may be better served somewhere else. If Joe likes the kid he’ll call around to some other coaches and try to find a spot for them. I have heard of that happening. But for the most part PSU will honor scholarships for good kids that work hard.

What makes schools like Alabama and FSU different is that they will oversign by nine or ten kids. You can grayshirt a few kids and weed out a few slackers, but come August you’re going to have to make some tough choices. That’s when you start reading about career ending ankle sprains and academic suspensions left and right. A kid misses a study hall and the coach kicks him off the team for the dubious “violation of team rules.” There are probably a hundred ways to get a kid off your team if you need roster cuts. But I can honestly say I’ve never read anything from a disgruntled PSU player about something like this happening.

Alabama also has a sneaky way of getting more than 85 kids on their scholarship roster through a special scholarship fund which I’ve been thinking about detailing in a blog post sometime. I’ve just been waiting for some kind of relevant current event to slip it in there.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Like you’ve said, I’ve never read anything from any disgruntled former players, so I didn’t think it was that common.

Some of these schools have just gotten cutthroat. Not sure of the attrition on the Ole Miss squad but they signed 67 players in the last two recruiting classes. I wonder if Houston Nutt is trying to get his players in there…

Don’t want to steal your thunder, but are you referring to the Bryant scholarship? Or do they have others?

by Screen Name 20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the one.

Kids with parents that played for Bear Bryant get a scholarship, and they do not count toward the 85 man limit.

The catch is that Alabama cannot recruit them. Which means no official visits, and Saban cannot initiate any contact with the kid. But the kid can make as many unofficial visits and call Saban all he wants. Last year Alabama had three or four kids on their roster that played under this scholarship fund.

Could you imagine if Penn State had a fund like this for kids whose parents played for Paterno? We probably have a half dozen kids on the current roster this would apply to. Off the top of my head there is Wiz, Suhey, and Shuler. Over the years there have been dozens of father-son combos that played for Paterno, and there will be dozens more over the next 20 years as well.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot

Also Zordich would apply. And I know Mauti’s dad went to Penn State, but I can’t remember if he played football.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Legacy players

If your family has been at PSU longer than Paterno, you should automatically get a full ride.

Joe Suhey, step right up…

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

4th gen alumni here

My great-grandfather lived in old main, graduated at the turn of the century. Paterno wasn’t even born then, if you can believe that.

I didn’t get a damn thing, except I get to claim my family is more PSU then yours.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 9, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Did he play in the all time classic football game against the Steelton YMCA? That 5-6 loss must have been hard to take.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

by ReadingRambler on Feb 10, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard that story before

can’t recall from whom. Maybe I’ve met your family members before (or members of the family of someone else from that senior year)

In a semi-related prank, and I have no idea where this took place, but someone disassembled someone’s car and re-assembled it in their dorm room. Being “I heard from a friend who heard from a friend” type rumor, I don’t even know if it is true, but considering it wouldn’t be that hard to pull off (for someone who knows what they’re doing), I like to believe it.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if you remember I'd love to know who/where you've heard it

I mean it’s an old family story I’ve heard many times told by multiple members of my family, but this is an Irish family full of drinkers and bullshitters, so stories are easy to come by…

I’d love to find out if the incident itself was ever documented in a newspaper or something… I’m also going to invest some time into when my g-grandfater graduated and see if I can’t get PSU to give me some free season tickets or a plaque or some crap. I’ll post something if anything half-interesting comes out of it, although I’m sure I’m just one of 100’s if not 1,000’s whose got a similar history with PSU (sans dead cow).

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 10, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was in a movie

Forget the name, but it was the one where Val Kilmer is a science geek developing lasers. He and a bunch of other geeks disassembled the car of a rival geek and reassembled it in his dorm room.

Your friend of a friend probably saw this movie and embellished it to say his buddies did it.

by BSD on Feb 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Real Genius

…and when I first heard the cow story, it was at either Cal Poly or MIT.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 10, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it to be true

I also heard this one prank at PSU where these frat members stole the ROTC cadet commander’s horse and released it in the Dean’s office. The horse eventually died of a heart attack.

by Screen Name 20 on Feb 10, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

now now

that horse prank happened at Pitt, and you know it, I heard it from another friend

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I just like to say PSU so that I have some sort of connection to it.

by Screen Name 20 on Feb 10, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda like how...

I never really believed the story behind my signature line until I looked it up and got independent confirmation.

Yeah, it’s regrettable that it happened at Pitt, but it’s still funny nonetheless.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 10, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ireland made several fictitious announcements over the public address system poking fun at the Mountaineers. He said there was a tractor in the parking lot with its lights on bearing the West Virginia license plate “EIEIO.” He also said the stadium’s smoking ban included corncob pipes, and he paged a fictitious doctor to call home in Morgantown.

I wonder what the fictious doctor’s name was…

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 10, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds awesome

Paterno rule here we come. Even if we wound up with some kids we wouldn’t have offered otherwise it would be a huge advantage.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Paterno Rule

The Bryant Scholarship was grandfathered in. You can’t set up a similar fund anymore. Otherwise you know Pitt would already be working on setting up the Kids of Dave Wannstedt Fund.

The good news is that Bear Bryant’s players hopefully stopped having kids 15 years ago. Unless they have some mutant genetics lab at Alabama where 50 year old former players are donating their sperm to make test tube babies for the 2027 team and beyond.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"mutant genetics lab in Alabama"

Would there be any other kind there?

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alabama is really big into mutant genetics

They “study” at their yearly family reunions…

by JoePaPa on Feb 9, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Enough with the Alabama mutant genetics jokes

Unless you’re only talking about Alabama football players and fans. Don’t you know that Alabama is the home of NASA’s rocket science program and the real Space Camp??!! Huntsville is rumored to have the highest number of PhDs per capita, most of whom REALLY ARE rocket scientists!!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Feb 10, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bryant scholarship

I thought they can practice and be on scholarship but once they played in a game they count towards the 85 scholarship limit. Although this still enables Alabama to have a larger pot to pick from than other teams.

by Screen Name 20 on Feb 10, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I think you’re right. Once they play they count toward the 85 man limit. But they don’t count toward the 25 man per class limit.

by BSD on Feb 10, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd definitely be interested

in the details of Alabama’s “special scholarship fund”

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not as nefarious as it sounds, really.

Like Mike said, there’s a difference between suggesting that a kid moves on with his life after four years of free education and promising 10 extra high school athletes a scholarship every year when they’re clearly borderline academic qualifiers.

--
Mr. Bob Dobalina

by Run Up The Score on Feb 9, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You just wanted...

to use the word ‘nefarious’ in public.

But seriously- is it just me, or is College Football getting as bad as NASCAR or F1 with everybody focusing less on real coaching (or engineering in the case of racing) and more on finding the rulebook’s gray areas that are ripe for exploitation?

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the saying in NASCAR?

If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's no coincidence...

that NASCAR is biggest in SEC country.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 9, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There are plenty of scum bags up north too...

don’t throw an entire region in the pot simply because they seem to care about their football a tad bit more…

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Feb 10, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and while we're picking on regions

I never met so many girls that hunted, owned horses, listened to country music, and liked NASCAR than when I moved to Michigan (coming from Philly area PA, and previously northeast Jersey

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's interesting

Saban has room for nine scholarships and he signed 29 kids. I can’t wait to see how he’s going to make that work out.

by BSD on Feb 10, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting indeed

If I’m a junior and low on the depth chart, I’d be a little worried about now. I wonder if mgoblog is going to do a piece on this, similar to what they did last year.

by Screen Name 20 on Feb 10, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always wonder why kids sign with these schools

not only does it give them a glimpse of what lays ahead for them, but shouldn’t they also be wondering if they’ll really be needed?

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Mike, what do you hear about Bani Gbadyu?

Didn’t he get left behind for the Rose Bowl because of academics or something? Is he back in school or maybe outside lookin in?

by PaJoe on Feb 9, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Recruits leaving

What’s interesting is looking at previous signing classes and seeing how many of those kids are still at Penn State. You’ll see at least 5 names that either left the program, or you never heard of because they are 6th string waterboy. Scholarships will free up for next year’s class, but I still think it will be a quality and not quantity class. A couple things I was disappointed with regarding this years class was the lack of DLineman (one of those positions you got to recruit every year because of the learning curve and with Maybin and Evans going pro) and I wish we could’ve got a stud running back with the year we had, kinda like a strike while the iron’s hot situation. Yes, I know we have Royster and Greene for a couple years, but it would’ve been nice to have a compliment for Beachum

by WPIALkid22 on Feb 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stud RB

Curtis Dukes would beg to differ the kid is fast and huge. He also had 4 stars. No worries in the RB department from me.

by psuphiman80 on Feb 9, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dukes is nice

no doubt about that, maybe I’m too greedy, but shouldn’t a Rose Bowl team get a Joe McKnight caliber RB?

p.s. mike, RUTS, or Kevin, what’s your email address? I heard some rumblings about a kid coming here, but I don’t want to post it on here and start rumors

by WPIALkid22 on Feb 9, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

email address

there’s a link at the bottom of the page. or just send it to

blackshoediaries at gmail dot com

by BSD on Feb 9, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

Joe McKnight would be a great addition but RB is the least of our problems at this point, it just seems that a lot of the better RBs out there weren’t interested in PSU. The big huge national type kids like Bryce Brown and McKnight want to go to the NFL and we’re still shaking off the dark years in terms of nfl talent so when PSU puts more guys in the nfl we may get more looks from the nation.

by psuphiman80 on Feb 9, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Recruit math

Don’t forget: a PSU recruit getting 4 stars is like a USC/SEC/ND guy getting 5 or 6 stars.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Feb 10, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love for the day to come

when the special 6 star is appointed to a USC/ND recruit after they verbal/sign there

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think “The Emu” was given 4 Heisman trophies the day he signed with ND.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Feb 10, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One for each win his first season

and the 4th for “best haircut”?

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Jimmy-

Matt Groening called, and he’s threatening to sue if you don’t ditch the Bart Simpson ’do.

There is a tractor in the parking lot, West Virginia license EIEIO. Your lights are on.

by leeharvey418 on Feb 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe McKnight

players like McKnight are once in a decade type players, we need to focus on keeping kids instate instead of letting all of our great instate talent to places like ohio state and pitt

by fightonstate23 on Feb 10, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not only that, but we need to embrace the Royster and DC17 recruits. Kids that fly under the radar often make the biggest impact for a team. Iowa’s Green, or Royster were kids that Scout or Rivals ignored — yet they’re likely the best two backs in the conference in 2008 (no love for Wells or Ringer). Clark wasn’t even supposed to be a factor, and he was the best QB in the Big Ten.

I just think if we begin dominating PA recruiting, and continue developing those under-rated players, we’ll be ever-bit as talented as the Florida and USC all-5-star-recruit rosters.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Feb 10, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HOLY SHIT!

Chris Colasanti, Nick Sukay, and Kevion Latham are transferring!!!!!

Wait. That’s not what this article said?

by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 10, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

the sky is falling!

WTF is wrong with this coaching staff. its despicable!

"I'm driven by greatness" - Derrick Williams

by HookMania on Feb 10, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean it would be one thing if we had a good incoming class to replace them

but damn, JoePa just can’t recruit anymore, and his son, Jay, just F’s everything up. I’ll really miss Chris Colasanti, Jon Ditto, Nick Sukay, Andrew Dailey, Quinn Barham, Kevion Latham, Tom McEowen, and Bani Gbadyu.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness

Larry Johnson has just recruited the entire University of Maryland. UMCP will be renamed Southeast Halls.

by Aaron PSU on Feb 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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