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To Rush or Not To Rush

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That is the question

Last night when Mike Tisdale's long inbound pass was harmlessly swatted away, the Penn State students rushed the court as college kids often do after a big win. This is a relatively new phenomenon at Penn State because, well, we haven't exactly won a lot of big games in our long history. So we find ourselves as a fanbase debating the proper etiquette when it comes to rushing the court.

This recent run of success can be traced back to last year's win over Michigan State. Penn State was muddling through another losing season. Geary Claxton was done for the year. They were riding a seven game losing streak and playing a top ten team. The general consensus was that the student were justified in rushing the court that day since it was just a brief moment of joy in an otherwise dismal season.

What's curious about that game was that it was the exact moment that expectations changed for this program. They didn't see themselves as losers anymore. Now they were capable of beating anyone and they believed it.

This season before the Purdue game at the Bryce Jordan Center, Jamelle Cornley strolled in front of the student section and instructed them not to rush the court if they win. He explained to do so would be disrespectful of his team as if nobody expected them to win. Would you rush the court with the threat of Jamelle Cornley ripping off your arm and beating you over the head with it? I don't think so. So when Penn State won, the fans complied and nobody rushed the court even though Penn State had just knocked off a nationally ranked team. So I'm curious why the Penn State fans, when after beating a lower ranked opponent, would rush the court last night?

Mob mentality is a fascinating thing to me. It's not like the student section took a vote with a few minutes left in the game. There was no polling. And there was no memo distributed to pass along the results. There was no traffic light telling the students if they should stay or if they should go. They just knew. But why didn't they know against Purdue? Why not when we beat Minnesota?

The answer, of course, is that it depends entirely on the situation. Who are you playing? What's at stake? How did it come about? What does the win mean?

Against Michigan State last year, the win was just an opportunity to enjoy a happy moment in an otherwise depressing year. Everyone knew our tournament chances were gone. The NIT was still an outside possibility, but not likely the way our season was going. So for five or ten minutes it just felt good to be a Penn State basketball fan. Then everyone went home and we went back to wondering what it would be like if we could pull off wins like that every night.

Last night was a different situation. I read a lot of message board chatter this morning about people saying it wasn't appropriate for the students to rush the court. They're saying we should expect to win games on our court, and the fact that the students rushed the court shows we do not expect to win these games and therefore we're not a very good team. UNC and Duke wouldn't rush the court if they beat a team like Illinois. The fact that we do speaks volumes about our program.

I disagree. Last night was not celebrating the moment. It was more than the win against Michigan State represented last year. It wasn't a flash in the pan to be enjoyed before it is forgotten. This win was a culmination. It was an exclamation point on a terrific season. Throughout the year people have doubted this team. They have doubted our schedule. They have doubted our athletic ability. They have doubted our toughness. They have doubted our coach. They have doubted our fans.

It was the last home game of the season against a ranked opponent with our tournament hopes on the line. There were three or four points in that game where we told ourselves we were going to lose. It was only for brief moments here and there where we found ourselves thinking MAYBE we had a chance to pull this out. Then in those last five minutes they started making plays and seemingly before anyone knew it we were in the lead and there was only a third of a second left on the clock.

Last night, storming the court was a celebration of a season. A celebration of achieving a goal. A celebration of putting years of frustration and disappointment behind us. Though there's one more game against Iowa, and the Big Ten tournament after that, those games won't be on our home court. This was the last chance the students had to rush the court, and last night it apparently felt right.

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I don't think there's any doubt.

The students were right to do it, and it was important to do it.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

here's the thing

the talking heads on ESPN last night said – you know why this is a tournament team? because of that crowd.

while there’s something to be said for “acting like you’ve been here before”… we haven’t.
been here in a really long time -

by PSUgirl on Mar 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

When we are there for a while, they’ll look like jerks rushing the court.
Last night, it seemed appropriate. Spontaneous. Joyful, even.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Mar 6, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Spontaneous and joyful are the perfect words to describe it.

by speedomike on Mar 6, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Spontaneous

Especially because pulling that win out of what was appearing to be a one point loss was completely spontaneous

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 6, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree

It was a last second win over a team that ranked higher and it meant so much more than just that one win. It opens up tourney opportunites.

I somewhat agree with the act like you have been there before but sometimes emotion overides that sentiment. And this was one of those times. Its not like the players were any better (that’s not the right term but I think you know what I’m saying). Battle basically ran out of the gym when the shot fell. And there was still time on the clock. The emotion just led to pure jubilation.

"I'm driven by greatness" - Derrick Williams

by HookMania on Mar 6, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

"pure jubilation" is not a phrase used to describe our basketball team enough

Maybe this will be the start of something good.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Mar 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Pure Circumstance

As one of the students who stormed out on the court, there was no planning. As soon as Battle’s shot finally went down, it was just a pure desire of the students to be out there celebrating with the team.

For me the best part wasn’t even running out there but watching during the timeouts with .3 left as they kept showing Daryl Clark on the jumbotron basically in a 3 point stance ready to lead the charge.

Easily one of the top sporting experiences I’ve ever been apart of as a player or fan.

by LegalLion on Mar 6, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

"For me the best part wasn’t even running out there but watching during the timeouts with .3 left as they kept showing Daryl Clark on the jumbotron basically in a 3 point stance ready to lead the charge."

That’s awesome. What a great QB. What a great game. It’s nice to get that excited about sports in March. I’m not used to that. Winning that game by one point after the refs screwed us out of four points felt good. Losing would have felt terrible.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Mar 7, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I concur...

It was a last second win, and it put us into a “we control our own destiny” thing for the tournament. We are looking at a team that may finish with the most regular season wins of ANY PSU Bball team – and the most Big Ten wins. That is a big deal.

by Bstoner52 on Mar 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

I stormed the court in 1987 (I think)

In Rec Hall, after we LOST to Oklahoma. It was the first nationally televised basketball game from State College (on the USA network). Reminds me of the saying, youth is wasted on the young.

by dontcallmescooter on Mar 6, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Rush it

It was totally justified, a last second win to clinch (probably) a tournament birth. I would have been angry if it didn’t happen.

And for the record, we should NEVER rush the field at a football game. Penn State football is supposed to win, no matter the opponent.

by Tom63 on Mar 6, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

i agree with that

Penn State football is a totally different subject

by WPIALkid22 on Mar 6, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We all agree

Because we understand. To an outsider who doesn’t bleed blue it may have seemed odd. But we have suffered through years of crap, with a grin. We all knew it was going to be a tough game, but to win it would be the peak of our program in many years. Plus we all assume it was win and NCAA bid, lose and it was NIT. So those who question it just don’t get it.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Mar 6, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

It’s not going to make sense to people that see schools get NCAA births often (or even occasionally). Hopefully, this season is to the basketball team what ’05 was (roughly) to the football team- a solid beginning of something big.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

I was thinking of the Dwill-Battle comparison

Both have done tremendous things for their prospective teams, beyond even what they do on the field/court.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Mar 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, somewhat,

but DWill started a revolution just by signing his name on the line. He was THE high school recruit that year and came at a time when the giant was sleeping. PSU basketball won’t see a recruit of that caliber in the foreseeable future, if ever.

Battle is a great talent that fell through the cracks, for sure, but seems like apples and oranges to me.

by jimbo2psu on Mar 6, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

These students

I was thinking last night about how great it would have been to be in this year’s senior class. Your PSU experience would have included the 2005 and 2008 football seasons in your freshman and senior years with two solid seasons in between, multiple night football games, last year’s basketball upsets, and this year’s basketball season. The students are so much more organized and seem to have so much more fun than even a few years ago.

by speedomike on Mar 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't it make a lot less sense

to act like we’ve been there before? I mean a extremely dramatic win over a ranked team to significantly increase our chances at a rare NCAA birth, set ourselves up for a potential #2 seed (!) in the BT Tournament, and everyone is just suppose to file out of the place like the work day just ended?

I’m confused.

BSD

by KevinHD on Mar 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

I think the vast majority of us feel this way

There’s a few posters on BWI and FOS who are truly miserable human beings that disagree.

by speedomike on Mar 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously

The poll results speak for themselves. But like you say, there were a few Debbie Downers on BWI and FOS griping about it. So I thought it might be a good topic to discuss.

by BSD on Mar 6, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I only get my PSU news from BSD

Boo, Debby Downer, boooooooo

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Mar 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

A note: The student section’s name is Nittany Nation. :-)

by PennStateBasketball on Mar 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yes I know

I’m not a fan of that nickname as I’ve said before. I like to use the term “Nittany Nation” from time to time, but I see it as all-encompasing of the entire fanbase. Not just the students.

They should go back to being the Nittwits.

by BSD on Mar 6, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not big on the naming of a "fanbase"

It can be cool but once the media gets a hold of it it gets out of hand….see, Red Sox Nation, circa 2005.

by Screen Name 20 on Mar 6, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's better than "Nits"

I really hate when I hear announcers or read sports writers calling Penn State the Nits.
Drives me crazy!

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Mar 6, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only person who remembers

the short-lived attempts at naming the student section “Ed-heads” and “Nittwitz”? I have the T-shirts to prove it.

Zug be with you.
And also with you.

by NewJackCity on Mar 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

A little late for that… the Nation is building a nice little brand of its own this season.

by PennStateBasketball on Mar 6, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I asked you

you just glared at me and walked away from the podium

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 6, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Vociferous

According to the AP article on the game, “[a]n uncharacteristically vociferous crowd packed the Jordan Center to cheer on the Nittany Lions…” Nice.

Hopefully from here on out it will be “characteristically vociferous.”

Phil

by baronlion on Mar 6, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree with you Mike

This was a win over a BARELY ranked team…who is exactly 1 win better than PSU in the conference. IMO, you don’t rush the court after a win like that. It should be reserved for knocking off a top 5 team, winning the conference, etc. I think the students should reserve this type of celebration for something truly special.

by rph127 on Mar 6, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

A first trip to the NCAA Tournament in 8 years isnt special?

by Tom63 on Mar 6, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm kind of in agreement with this

Especially since this was a team we already beat…but I can understand the student’s doing it, with the way the game ended and all.

by Screen Name 20 on Mar 6, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's the question though

Did they storm the court because we beat a top 25 team? Or did they storm the court because the win got us into the NCAA tournament for the first time in eight years?

by BSD on Mar 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets be honest here

Most of them probably stormed the court because they were wasted.

by Tom63 on Mar 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike's right

As a (grad) student who stormed the court last night, I know I did it as a celebration of what was probably a clinching victory for an NCAA tournament berth (first since 2001), 10 wins in the Big Ten for the second time ever (‘95-’96), and the dramatic fashion in which we won the game against a ranked opponent. It wasn’t just because we beat a barely-ranked Illinois. Or even that we won a game late with a big comeback (we didn’t rush vs Iowa or Indiana). I completely agree with Mike’s post, that it was the dramatic victory over a reasonably good opponent combined with a whole bunch of other factors, and was a celebration of the best season Penn State basketball has had in over a decade.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Mar 6, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they were all crazy from the $1 hotdogs

Blood overloaded with nitrates and preservatives

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Mar 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

"Penn State students rushed the court as college kids often do after a big win"

As everyone pointed out, there are several reasons that this was a big win.

The only argument you can really make would be that college students in general shouldn’t rush the floor/field after a big win. (Not necessarily against that argument, just haven’t seen anyone make it yet.)

by Aaron PSU on Mar 6, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You disagree with me?

Where’d I put my ban hammer?

Seriously though, you’re not just disagreeing with me. you’re disagreeing with 88% of the vote at this point.

by BSD on Mar 6, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on old fart I guess

LOL…I’ve never been one to go along with the crowd. Anyway, maybe I’m just an old codger or something, but I think crowds rush the floor/field WAY too much these days. And this is just another example. JMO.

by rph127 on Mar 6, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree

Rushing the court or field definitely is done way too often these days. But this is one of those instances where I think it was totally justified, and needed to happen.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Mar 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

true old farts would know that storming the court is nothing new

at PSU -

and neither is being accused of “acting like they just won a national championship”

by PSUgirl on Mar 6, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Crowds do rush too much

and I hope the students don’t make a habit of it, but in this case it was justified. A big win with a last-second shot is a big deal and worth celebrating.

Zug be with you.
And also with you.

by NewJackCity on Mar 6, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Pride

I think this case was a matter of pride. For the first time in a long time, we’re proud of our basketball team. I hadn’t gone to a game all year until this one, mainly because I’m not a big b-ball fan, partially because I’m lazy. But I have to admit that I had a tremendous amount of fun last night, and for the first time was actually really proud of where our program is at. Maybe this year is an anomaly, but they’ve come so far that the students (myself included) have finally put an emotional stake in this team, and that emotion (after what was looking like a loss) spilled out onto the court after the game.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 6, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we've never been there before

And no, we are not Duke, or North Carolina, or UCLA. I’ve watched a lot of Penn State basketball and I can count on only one finger the number of games like last night – which is the game last night.

I watch PSU basketball only because I’m an alumnus and I want them to do well. I’ve seen them make comebacks before, but they were merely tent pole games in an otherwise mediocre, if not disastrous, seasons.

Yes, beating Illinois may not be a big deal to Pittsburgh (gah!), but it IS a big deal to us, especially during last night’s circumstances.

Rushing the court shouldn’t be a judgement on Nittany Nation (Hi Mike!) either because surely, we don’t do it for football games. Why? Because we’ve certainly been there before.

Hopefully this is dawn of a new era for our athletic department, and for our “football” school, that one day we WON’T feel the need to rush the court.

by Mr. Rosewater on Mar 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

It's awesome we can even have this debate

Shows how amazing this season has been no matter what happens from here on out.

But honestly if we do for real make the tournament, what team would want to play us? We have good guard play and play decent defense, which is a recipe for an upset in the tournament (sorry I will stop getting ahead of myself, I have just been giddy all day from the win).

by STU Boy on Mar 6, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Beat PITT

I want the 9 seed, and a second round date with Pitt!

by Tom63 on Mar 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I know this is blasphemy

But Pitt is a horrible (and I stress horrible) match-up for us. Blair would destroy our big-men, and their second best player is a 3 (our worst position). Flame on people, as I understand I just did the unthinkable and talked up Pitt.

by STU Boy on Mar 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

But there is always a possibility that we could pull the upset. Then I could talk trash on all the people I know that went to Pitt. Its really just a way to serve my own trash-talking needs.

by Tom63 on Mar 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me I agree

I would love nothing more than to stick it to all those Pitt homers about how amazing they are. I’ll believe it when they get out of the Sweet 16.

by STU Boy on Mar 6, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to worry

Once the players read the name on the front of their jersey, they will lose.

Of course they do go to Pitt, so there is the possibility that they cant read.

by Tom63 on Mar 6, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or upon seeing said name on the front of their jerseys realized they have already lost.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 6, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed it's a horrible matchup

but one glimmer of hope is that I don’t think Jamie Dixon is that good of a game-day coach, see last year’s loss to Tom Izzo in the tournament.

by Joe 96alum on Mar 6, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the picture

Is anyone else confused why Jeff Smardjia was at the game lastnight and why he’s photographed rushing the court?

by RNF18 on Mar 6, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely go for it

A last-second win against a ranked team, likely cementing a first NCAA tournament berth in eight years (all you have to do is not fail spectacularly at Iowa and then against whoever you get in the Big Ten tourney). If that’s not reason to rush the court, then there is no such thing.

by SpartanDan on Mar 6, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

This is interesting

Apparently the kid in the picture that could also be seen tackling Battle and almost killing him? It’s the guy from Crispin and Cream.

Boy, what a series we played with Illinois. First that epicly bad game and then that thing of pure beauty. I’d love to dive right into but there are just too many stories to rush through (that bald kid who almost killed Battle? Yeah, that was me…and boy do I feel like a dumbass now almost killing our best player, haha).

by BSD on Mar 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

too bad he didn't have a BSD sign, he could have gotten a T shirt.

We just needed a couple players, a couple people to buy in to the fact and we were able to do it. --A.Q. Shipley

by psu on Mar 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

give him one anyway

that was one hell of a post he wrote up

by borisborisboris on Mar 8, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

People were talking about rushing the court before the game had even started…in Facebook groups, outside the gate, and such.

by PizzaDelivery on Mar 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

and those people are idiots

it reminds me of a couple years ago here at MSU, the students all basically decided that win or lose (to I think UNC), they were going to riot. There was talk all week of it, and “debates” in the student paper. Spontaneous “riots” built out of excitement and cheering are good fun. Planned riots, where you use a big game to just be a jackass and destroy things, is…well…general jackassery.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 6, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

same thing happened after we lost to temple in the elite eight in 2001

EVERYONE wanted to come over to our place in Cedarbrook to watch the game that night. And it didn’t disappoint! Yeah, call me old-fashioned, but I always enjoyed chilling on the 715 balcony, drinking Lager from the keg and watching hundreds of people get peppered sprayed.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Mar 7, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

cabin fever

I agree with most everyone here that the students were justified in rushing the court because of the result and context of the game.

I’d just like to add that, as everyone reading this knows, there’s nowhere in the world that causes cabin fever like State College. You’re in the prime of your life, ready to take risks and tackle the world, to dream and to try to fulfill your dreams, to drink heavily, wake up and do it again, for days, weeks, semesters on end.

And then there’s the long swath of winter that suffocates that town from sometime in the middle of November until late March/April. I’ve always been convinced that cabin fever plays a huge factor in a lot of the student behavior in state college in the spring: the riots after the temple game, the ridiculous protests, st. patrick’s day festivities, etc, all happen to a reasonable degree because everyone’s crazy from sitting in a small apartment drinking quietly for five months, but feels like an enternity. If there’s any chance to act crazy—protest who makes our clothes! protest the protesters! riot because we lost to temple! rush the court!—the nittany lion faithful take it in the spring because they’ll do anything to feel alive after the soul-deadening state college winter.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Did they really understand?

It is interesting to me to think about whether or not the reasoning for rushing the court is what we want to believe it is. I think many of us who have talked about this team on here or at other message boards have stuck with this team for some time and feel fully justified in rushing the court due to the magnitude of this win.

However considering the recent attendance in the past 5 years, how many of the people rushing the court were really celebrating after enduring the struggles of this program and how many were recent bandwagoners?

I welcome everyone to join in and I want the Penn State Basketball fan base to continue to grow because it is great for our university and all other athletics. But let’s be honest and admit that there has been a very small number of fans (relatively) who really understand what this win meant.

by GiveitToRoyster on Mar 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

PLAYOFFS

we’re talking about playoffs?!?

by raimman on Mar 6, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

What I think some people are forgetting...

When was the last time we had a (practically) buzzer beater win? I’m pretty sure it hasn’t happened while I was a student. Those are the moments you see on ESPN highlights. Arkansas-Mississippi State University in Richmond beats a known team on a buzzer beater, they rush because they haven’t done it before, AND they just witnessed a buzzer beater. I think that was a large part of the reason we all rushed, it was the way we won. I was glad to be a part of it.

I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega

by OMEGAMAN on Mar 6, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

Myself I am not

a person who would rush the court, but I can understand why it happened last night, I think the way the game went had a lot to do with it, especially after Battle turned the ball over and Illinois went to the line for free throws. At that point you’re down to low percentage plays, and actually pulling off something like that is one of the reasons you go to games.

by Joe 96alum on Mar 6, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

IMO

I didn’t get to read the comments yet, but i was at the game and i could say it was because of the way we won. Just being down the whole game, and every time we got close and they pulled away again was frustrating. The refs made some HORRIBLE calls. The fans were in the game, which hyped everyone up, and to come back and win on a dramatic call, it was just all those emotions that built up.

by WPIALkid22 on Mar 6, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

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