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Time to Question Curley?

I want to start this out by saying that Tim Curley has done a tremendous job for the University's athletic department as a whole.  Penn State athletics, overall, are as fine as any institution's in the country.  From out dominant volleyball teams, to our stellar gymnastics squads, all the way down to our dynastic women's soccer team, winners of 11 straight Big Ten titles, we've been very blessed with success in so many areas that most schools dream of.  We also have great facilities, including the biggest football stadium in the country, and one of the best on-campus baseball stadiums in the North.

However,Curley's policies increasingly seem to be harming our most visible sports: football and basketball.  The Sunday morning after Texas Tech upset Texas, and jumped us to #2 in the rankings, I was really upset, and not because I felt we were getting the shaft.  The truth is, we got what we deserved.  We had a horrible non-conference schedule.  Granted, it included a Syracuse that was a 10 win team when they were scheduled years ago, and a pretty good Oregon St. team, but it also included Temple and Coastal Carolina.  But the day undefeated Penn State was jumped by Texas Tech is the day I started questioning the world's sanity.

Things are only going to get worse this season.  Our non-conference lacks any substantive opponent.

In a time when the Big 10 is under assult in the media, we can't afford to have these cupcakes on our schedule anymore without it coming back to burn us later on.  Florida and Oklahoma, media darlings that they are, can.  We have to find a way to counter this.

Its time for Curley to make a statement.  Schedule as many BCS conference teams as possible, 4 being the optimal number every year.  Let there be no doubt when we're being compared to other teams.  Make OUR schedule the ones people compare others to.  And we don't have to concede home games to do this.  Not every BCS team is as stubborn as Pitt, and most wouldn't refuse to come to State College for less than a home and home series.  The Nebraskas and Alabamas of the world probably wouldn't, but you never know if you could get the basketball schools of the Big East to come in on a two-for-one, or one and done basis.  South Florida and Cincinatti both came to Penn State in 2005, their first year in the Big East.  Oregon St. pulled a one-and-done with us this year.  My point is that there are pleanty of teams that should appeal to Penn State for non-conference games more than Coastal Carolina, and its only by our own ignorance that they're not being scheduled.

As for basketball, there is absolutely no reason that Penn State basketball should be in danger of missing the NCAA Tournament in their best season ever.  None.  Its ridiculous that we're sitting here talking about a 21-win, big conference team that STILL isn't assured of getting in.

That falls completely in the lap of the athletic director.  Our SOS is almost a full 30 spots lower than any other Big 10 team.  How does that happen?  I mean, this isn't even a matter of the people we scheduled not living up to expectations.  THEY ALL STINK!  We could have easily gone 11-2 in the non-confrerence with some better competition on the schedule.  But we didn't.

I'm sick of having to apologize for our schedules.  We Are Penn State.  We shouldn't be afraid of playing people.  The basketball team should be playing at least 3-4 games against teams from Big 6 leagues every year.  We only played one in 2008-2009, and only because we were obligated to because of the Big Ten-ACC challenge.

I think its time the fans and media began holding Curley's feet to the fire in terms of scheduling.  Its getting out of hand, and some day, possibly in the not-so-distant future, its going to bite us in the butt.

 

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Curley is keeping his minions happy with the cash flow. Honestly it doesn’t matter to him what anyone thinks except his bosses, and they want to see the $$$ more then good press or higher rankings. That’s not really Curley’s fault, because he’s doing his job they way they want him to. If he did his job differently, he wouldn’t be AD anymore.

That brings up the “new culture” within PSU’s admin building. Making money is #1, everything else is a distant second, including education. PSU does so many things now that seem to violate their mantra, and it’s because $$$ talks and BS walks.

Whether it’s the bookstore’s near-criminal pricing of books, crappy OOC scheduling for their big sports, or any of the other headaches student’s face during their time there, it’s all tied into how the administration views this school: as a corporation hellbent on profit. I’m not even putting this on Spanier, because he’s like Curley: his job is to make his bosses on the board happy.

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by millzners on Mar 8, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I Know That

My point is that he could have kept the cash flow going without jeopardizing the team’s postseason chances.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand though

Who is going to drive all the way to happy valley to see us play Akron or Coastal Carolina. In this case, I think scheduling the better opponent would be the more financially sound investment. You’re going to fill that stadium to the brink every time a BCS opponent comes to town, but your going to see a drop in attendance, and most likely revenue when were playing a lower division team.

by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, 107,000 people?

The entire season was sold out last year. I guarantee they’ll sell out AGAIN this year.

If there are a few people who don’t show up for Akron or skip the Eastern Illinois gamedoesn’t matter to the university, as those tickets are already SOLD.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 8, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, no

It isn’t like the weak football scheduleis a yearly thing. We have 2 bad years in a row (2008 & 2009, and 2008 wasn’t really THAT bad). I agree on not scheduling 1-AA schools, but it is harder and harder to get teams to come in for 1 & done (or 2 for 1) deals. Since Penn State is adamant on having 7+ home games a year, it doesn’t matter who our AD is, they’ll face the same economic pressures. The best we can hope for is to sacrifice some more $$ to lure in weak Div 1-A cupcakes, or the dredges from BCS conferences. Also, the Big 10 and MAC have a deal where we have to play one of their teams, so that’s 1 game there against a “weak” opponent.

As nice as it is to think we can consistently schedule the top programs in the nation for our 3 or 4 OOC games and win, that is unrealistic. In a sport where 2 losses pretty much guarantees no shot at a national championship, and 1 loss often times also guarantees no shot, there’s no benefit to making a schedule that even the best teams will have a tough time going undefeated in. You also make it seem like the Big 10 has always been looked at as a weak conference, but that’s nowhere near true. It is just the past 2 years (ever since OSU’s loss to Florida in the MNC game, and the rest of the Big 10 not looking so hot, followed by 2007 which looked even worse).

When PSU made their OOC schedule for 2008 (and 2009) they didn’t think “man, in a few years the public perception of the Big 10 is going to be pretty weak, so we better bring in more top programs than we usually do to balance it out”. Instead they thought, “we’re in a tough, competitive conference, let’s schedule our typical 1 strong OOC game, our 1 MAC game, 1 or 2 cupcakes and/or a mid-range team”. Heck, at least give them credit in 2008 for going out and getting Oregon State once it became obvious how bad Syracuse looked, and how weak the rest of our slate looked. They tried a bit for the 2009 schedule, but wouldn’t budge on the offers (you make it seem like there are dozens of teams out there willing to come for less than equal terms, but that isn’t the case).

And heck, our 2008 OOC schedule hardly mattered. If we just beat Iowa, we would have been in the National Championship game. Outside of that, we would have needed a ridiculously hard OOC schedule (that we probably would have racked up another loss, maybe even 2) to have been able to break into the MNC game over the SEC and Big 12 champs, which were pretty much guaranteed a slot based on pre-season rankings of them, and their opponents.

As for the basketball team, well we normally aren’t a good program, and the OOC slate is usually our only opportunity to pick up any wins. As weak as our schedule looks, it is about on par with how good PSU typically is in basketball. This year we just turned out to have 3 good players, and in hindsight the schedule looks like it might bite us in the ass. But even then, it probably won’t hurt us. Any other year we’d be looking at that OOC slate and thanking god that we at least were able to beat SOME teams

So your questioning Curley on the perfect storm of events happening. And heck, if anything this past year in football and basketball only goes to show that we can have a ridiculously easy OOC schedule, and still get into the NCAA tournament, and get considered for the MNC game, as long as we win the games we do play.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 8, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

A Few Things

-We grabbed Oregon St. out of the blue. There are far more teams in the BCS leagues like Oregon St. then there are like Alabama or Nebraska. If we proactively combed the country for the ones willing to come to Penn State to get themselves on national TV and get some exposure, we might be in business. You don’t think teams like USF would kill to have Penn State show up in their stadium in a year our big OOC game is at home, even if it meant going to Valley twice? I do. I guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I don’t expect us to be pulling in the best teams in the country. I do expect them to at least be in the same subdivision as we are.

-I feel like the fact that when we lost to Iowa, we were dropped from the MNC conversation is just plain wrong, and we did that to ourselves. Did the Big 10 hurt us? Yes, but we could have at least TRIED to make up for it by getting a I-A program to fill Coastal Carolina’s spot. In the grand scheme of things, it may not have made a difference, but all I’m asking is that we try harder to avoid crap games like that one. They offer you nothing.

-As far as basketball goes, lets take a quick look at Pitt’s OOC, the #1 team in the RPI. They had 4 remotely tough games in Siena, Texas Tech, Washington St., and Florida St. Had we played their OOC, lost all 4 of those games, and done the same thing in the Big 10 (a league who’s RPI is higher than the Big East’s), we’re in big time now. Just look at their schedule. We could have beaten the rest of those teams any other year. The difference is, Pitt played a few decent teams, and it shot their RPI through the roof.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Guess...

…I look at the OOC as an insurance policy against trouble with the Big 10. If its a down year, like it was this year, we can fall back on a good OOC. If its a good year in the conference, then even a loss with a good OOC won’t necessarily eliminate us like it did this year.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas Tech had a worse OOC

They played two I-AA schools last year. To suggest we got jumped for our OOC is ridiculous.

by tomatpsu on Mar 8, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

We Got Jumped Because We Were In The Big 10.

Had we had a respectable non-conference, a name like TTU doesn’t pass Penn State. Period. There was no excuse for Coastal Carolina, or Youngstown St. before them. People look at your weakest game, especially in a time when Big 10 teams seem to be perceived as an enemy to college football. Like I said, if you’re in the media’s pet leagues like the Big XII or SEC, you can get away with it. But we’re in the Big 10. We can’t get away with that.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. If OSU had two shiny NC trophies instead of

two humiliating defeats, everyone would have fallen at our feet for beating them in Columbus. Instead, it was just ‘meh’.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 8, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We got jumped

because Texas Tech beat the number one team in the country, on national tv, in the most exciting footbal game of the year. The week we before we won at Ohio State in an absolute snooze fest.

You want to play for the national title? Beat Iowa. It was actually really simple. We needed to beat Iowa.

We don’t need to chang our whole scheduling process, or figure out a way to get a home and home with the USC, or the Dallas Cowboys or whomever else people want to play. We needed to beat I-o-fucking-wa.

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by jesse. on Mar 9, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree the OOC

schedules are pathetic. It’s time for regime change in the AD’s office. Get Pitt on the schedule in both basketball and football. Can you think of any other schools so nearby to each other (and with such history) that don’t play? Heck, Notre Dame finds room for Purdue. The b-ball OOC should always have Pitt, Villanova, and Temple.

by Joe 96alum on Mar 8, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitt Wouldn't Work

To get them on the schedule, at least in football, we’d have to make them the fixture (the home and home), and if you’ve watched them at all the last 20 years, you’d know they aren’t worth that.

As far as basketball, it doesn’t even have to be Villanova. Any of the Philly teams would suffice. Even Duquesne is turning into a good option, or Robert Morris, 2 wins away from and NEC title and NCAA berth.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've played Temple regularly

And St. Joe’s in the past. Penn too, and they’ve always been decent.

That’s the thing. Schedule Penn instead of NJIT. Or Vermont instead of Hartford.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 9, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow it worked

for decades and decades. With 4 OOC games it could be done. It would be playing a team on the level of Michigan State which would help the strength of schedule.

by Joe 96alum on Mar 8, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Football scheduling has little to do with football...

We need to have as many home games as possible to support our “dominant volleyball teams, to our stellar gymnastics squads, all the way down to our dynastic women’s soccer team.” Penn States athletic department supports itself with the money it makes from football and basketball, which is a rarity in college athletics. In order to schedule a one and one with top teams, we would need to give up two home games a year. The loss of revenue from those over 200,000 tickets would force the AD to slash the budget on the non-revenue sports, which are some of the most successful in the country.

by VVeRPennState on Mar 8, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats A Cop-out

7 home games can still be done with better opposition. I’m not saying concede home games, I just want better opposition. The idea that Coastal Carolina is the best we can do is a joke.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its the truth...

First off, Coastal Carolina was a unique situation because it was partially a favor to their AD, who is a former Nittany Lion, to help their upstart football program. But simply put we can not get the teams of the caliber that you want without either giving them a boat load of money or returning to play a game in their stadium. You might consider it a cop out but it is the truth.

by VVeRPennState on Mar 8, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll Use USF Again

I think they’d be more than willing to give us an extra home game (a 2-for-1) to get the sellout Penn State would bring them. They aren’t selling out Raymond James Stadium for any Big East games, let alone the non-conference. We’d probably, easily draw the biggest crowd their program has even seen. Schedule the USF road game this year. They open at home with Wofford, who I’m sure they’d gladly trade in for PSU. We’ll still have 7 home games this year. Then replace Youngtown St. with them in 2010 and the TBA spot in 2011.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fugi, I appreciate your zeal.

But are there many high-caliber, BCS teams out there who currently play 2 for 1 schedules with other high-caliber, BCS teams?

We pull off a 4 for 1 schedule with Temple, because Temple stinks. But I can’t think of two major, serious players who accept 2-1, even if it might benefit them financially. Part of the reason why Pitt won’t accept a 2 for 1 is that they don’t want to be viewed as being the “weaker sister” in the relationship.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 8, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

USF

To make your argument, pick another team. USF does not fit that top tier that so many people on this blog are complaining they want to schedule. I would put USF in line with Maryland. They have their good games, and pathetically poor games. But certainly are not worth the effort of scheduling.

by MrBrianPSU on Mar 9, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's using USF

since they’re technically a BCS school, we’ve played them before, and I think he thinks we’d be able to persuade them to a less than lucrative deal since we’d be able to pack their stadium, all of which are true, but I still don’t see them signing such a deal. Ever since the 2006 (or was it 2007) season when they put together a solid year, I’d imagine they think they can run with the big boys now.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

RUTS has said it best (although not yet in this thread)

PSU wants the ability to have 8 home games every other year. Every single logical person has laid out the scenario where we play two top BCS teams, and alternate home & away. Say, at Alabama and at home against Oregon State (and ice versa the following year, returning the favor). Then, two MAC-type teams at home each year. Say, Temple and Akron.

Everyone loves it – two big games, we can still play past rivals, no Di-AA games, yada yada. HOWEVER, in that scenario, we NEVER get the chance to have 8 home games.

The 8th home game every other year or so and the multi-millions it pours into the bank account far surpasses having 7 interesting home games.

Guys, running an athletic department isn’t free. PSU keeps the budget lean, and needs to squeeze every dime that they can. You might not like it, but your opinion really doesn’t matter. No offense.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 8, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Then Whats The Point Of Being In A Conference?

Hell, we could play all 12 games at home if we wanted to. Wouldn’t the millions of dollars we’d get from those extra four games far surpass anything we’d get out of the Big 10? And let’s not bother worrying about TV, because you know someone would pick up an independent Penn State if they wanted to, even if its on the ESPN plus channels. And don’t forget, since we’ll be playing the shitty teams, we’ll probably end up in the BCS every year because we’ll be undefeated all the time. Thats a nice pay-out right? Granted, we won’t have a remote chance at the MNC, but really, who cares when you’re swimming in money?

Why stop at 8?

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 8, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You had Graham Spanier at 'swimming in money'.

If you’re being serious, then obviously no conference = no revenue sharing for tv deals. No bowl tie ins, or revenue sharing from those bowl tie ins. Or any coverage of other non-football sports, but whatever.

Listen, we’d all like to play nothing but top 25 teams every year. But there’s a reason why no one else plays nothing but all top 25 teams every year – it’s not feasible.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 8, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really should just cut and paste my argument on this.

But I have no idea where to even look for it. Yes, the ultimate point here is that Penn State wants 15 home games every two years. If they really felt like creating a realistic, competive schedule, my long-standing suggestion is this:

(1) National superpower team for an even home/away. We’re already doing this for Nebraska. Virginia falls into this category too, even though they kind of suck.

(1) Regional, familiar opponent from the independent days. Could be PITT, SYR, WVU, RUTG, BC. Whatever. Same sort of even-handed arrangement, no 2-for-1 crap.

That leaves (2) other opponents who can be sacrificial lambs. The Coastal Carolina / Eastern Illinois teams who are just looking for a payoff and are willing to not demand a return trip to a place like Conway, S.C.

Stagger the teams from the first two categories properly, and you have a totally acceptable seven-game home schedule. But PSU isn’t interested in that. They want the home game against (Nebraska, Virginia, Syracuse) to be matched up with three abject patsies, ‘cause Cash Rules Everything Around Me. And it’s their right to do that. Tickets aren’t going to be any more or less expensive if the home opponent is Texas or Southwest Waco Community College, and as long as people are buying PSU v. SWCC tickets, Penn State has absolutely no incentive to change its scheduling practices. They’d be crazy to do so.

We don’t schedule for favorable computer rankings of our non-conference slate. We schedule for money. Such is life. It’s a big part of why I don’t bother buying season tickets.

The basketball schedule is a whole different story. Scheduling one of the better teams from the Atlantic Sun or MEAC is totally fine. Scheduling NJIT and similar programs is simply attaching an unbearble weight on the team when it comes to the bubble situation we’re currently facing.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 9, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We don’t schedule for favorable computer rankings of our non-conference slate."

And on that particular point, if the Big Ten happens to suck as a conference, we’re stuck eating that turd sandwich because Curley and Paterno have zero incentive to change their ways on the football scheduling.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 9, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or...

We can actually put some real support behind the basketball team so that can bring in more money to help other areas. That way it takes some of the stress off of relying only on football for monetary reasons. People need to read that article on ESPN that was talking about how Ed’s office and other areas looked like closets and thats all they had to show recruits.

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by OMEGAMAN on Mar 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Just now time to question Curley???

I applaud Curley for holding the line on his coaches’ salary — I would be humiliated if our head football coach made thirty times what Governor Rendell takes home, as Nick Saban does the governor of Alabama — and applaud him for upgrading our facilities. There is one incident that should have earned his dismissal, and it has nothing to do with out of conference schedules.

Now, to be against gay marriage, to be against equal housing for gay couples, or just flat-out anti gay — that’s an objectionable opinion but one that no doubt has a place in civil debate. To advocate for the dismissal of female student athletes who simply don’t act feminine enough, that’s another matter. Yet that’s what Curley tolerated sub rosa during Rene Portland’s tenure at Penn State, then publically accepted for one season after he reprimanded Portland.

We’re Penn State University, not Liberty University. This was a humiliating series of events for Penn State, and a whole lot of responsibility falls on Curley.

by happyvalleytom on Mar 8, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nobody likes to hear it, but...

…Joe Paterno was always Rene’s biggest supporter on that campus.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 9, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually file those JoePa tidbits

away with his campaigning for Bush, etc.

Just goes to show, nobody’s perfect

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What nobody wants to hear about Rene

Was that her views were never, ever, a secret. It’s not like we just found out she was anti-gay after the team got bad. To the contrary, the exact same controversy came up in the late 1980’s, and pretty much nobody cared. It was the late ’80’s that saw the no gays ever crack, and she was never close to being fired.

To advocate for the dismissal of female student athletes who simply don’t act feminine enough, that’s another matter.

See that’s just a little touchy to me. I think telling a coach telling a player how to dress is perfectly in bounds. Bob Knight did it. Joe Paterno does it. Put the show on the other foot, what if a Penn State football player was running around town in mesh t-shirts or whatever. Think JoePa wouldn’t have something to say about that? Yeah. Right.

By all accounts the player (Jennifer Harris, I believe) had a shitty attitude to match her shitty statistics. She was in clear violation of long standing team rules regarding personal apperance that she should have known about before she came to Penn State. And she is not a lesbian. What she did was spot a chance to stick it to a coach she didn’t like, and she did.

I’m no fan of Rene Portland’s politics. But there were/are two sides to that story.

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by jesse. on Mar 9, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recall an article in the Collegian

that one of the writers put in as a “joke” figuring the editor would catch it and pull it…but it wound up getting printed. I can’t recall the exact quote or article, but I do recall it had something to do with Rene Portland having lesbian feelings towards her players. Fun times.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

mesh t-shirts and jorts would be totally acceptable, though

especially in OMGSEC land

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by NJ lion on Mar 9, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid thread

The entire premise is flawed, particularly that there was anything wrong with our 2008 football schedule. Our 4 OOC games in 2008 were perfectly good — probably in the top half of OOC schedules for BCS teams. A good BCS conference team (who won their bowl and ended up ranked), a second BCS conference team and 2 patsies. That’s solid and respectable — very far from “horrible”. And it had nothing to do with problems with Texas Tech passing us or other silliness — that all fell on the reputation of the Big Ten and how teams were ranked in pre-season.

The idea of scheduling 4 BCS conference teams in our OOC is just insane and stupid. Ignoring the tons of revenue we would be giving up, you’d end up accumulating more losses which means worse bowl games and less revenue/exposure that way and more difficult in getting recruits. And the games against patsies are a great opportunity to work in new players and give backups experiences which is especially key early in the season when you have new starters.

Anyway, our 2009 non-conference schedule sucks and it’s an embarrassment, but it’s a one year fluke and things will be better in 2010 and beyond. It’s not worth getting in such a tizzy over (and if it bothers you, don’t buy tickets to games, simple as that).

I won’t excuse the basketball scheduling. That has been awful and needs change because it is directly affecting our team (and hurting the chances for the NCAAs).

by Laaaaazzz on Mar 8, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

All of this would be a moot point

if the Big Ten is as formidable as they were back in the mid-90’s. Then a soft OOC schedule would be fully justified.

If Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, and Michigan State were ALL in the Top 20, and we lost one or two to them, AND we lost to a USC or Texas or Alabama during our OOC, would we be crying about an obscenely tough schedule?

Would we blame Curley for throwing us through the ringer? Would we blame JoePa for being out of touch, or JayPa for nepotism?

A whole other can of worms if we juice up our schedule.

by Mr. Rosewater on Mar 8, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Your argument can not be justified

    Most people who read this blog, should have some knowledge of college athletics. With that said, these people should know that college athletics are nothing like pro athletics. Many of you want Curley’s head on a stick. But why?
     In college athletics, coaches go out and recruit. There have been numerous times when teams with a highly regarded recruiting class, has not met the standards they set. Then there have also been times where teams that get the players that others passed on, and they do really well.
     When the Athletic Department does the scheduling, they have no idea how our programs are going to be 4 years from the point of scheduling. Its a toss up. So you can not blame Curely for football getting leap frogged, especially since we couldnt even beat Iowa. If the basketball team is “on the bubble”, you certainly can’t blame the athletic department for this, because no one even forsaw a shot a making the dance. And like football, we can’t beat Iowa.
    I agree with the fact that it would be more entertaining to see us play better OOC teams, but thats it, for entertainment. If you played USC, would we have won? Probably not, as seen in the Rose Bowl. If we played Florida, would we have won? Who knows, but odds would have been greatly against us. Few expected Darryl Clark to have a season like he did.

People need to get over the OOC schedule issue. Its a no win situation. If we schedule 4 BCS games as OOC, and lose 2, then some of you will be crying about the season being over by week 5.

by MrBrianPSU on Mar 8, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

You are completely right

PSU schedule apologists are clueless. USC & UT made plenty of money this year (and UT even splits the Red River Rivalry) and they played respectable noncon schedules.

I will agree that 2008’s schedule was not their respectable (2BCS), but that’s only because they lucked in to OrSU. The only decent noncon teams they’ve played since Miami are ND and SoFla. I would much rather see PSU go 3-1 or even 2-2 against respectable competition than obliterate terrible competition. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy – if the team is good enough to contend nationally it will win its games.

However, I think this is entirely driven by Joe, and not Tim Curley. I think it will be interesting to see what happens when he leaves.

by InScoresOfOtherGames on Mar 9, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Huh?

Since we last played Miami (2001), we also played Virginia, Nebraska and Boston College. Those weren’t “respectable”?

And how was Texas’ non-confernce schedule “respectable” this past season: Florida Atlantic, Rice, at UTEP and Arkansas? I know the Razorbacks are from the SEC and all, but they were bad in 2008 — far worse than Oregon State.

by Laaaaazzz on Mar 9, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait for it...

So Texas played a lousy team from a BCS conference, two teams from the same non-BCS conference, and a scrub team?

That’s OUR schedule!

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2009 football OOC sucks because we gave into “tradition” and signed a contract with Syracuse for games TEN YEARS in the future. We currently have a major BCS home-and-home series signed starting next year through 2015, seven years from now. It’s far less likely that we’ll sign up anyone worse than Virginia for that next home-and-home series, and even mighty USC deems the Cavaliers to be a respectable opponent.

by Aaron PSU on Mar 9, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's sorta the thing, though

everyone says, “well look at USC’s schedule, they’re able to schedule big non-con games and win and still be successful” but fail to really point out any top level program that consistently puts together a non-con slate (usually making the excuse “well they play in the SEC or Big 12, so they have a tough conference slate” while completely forgetting that until the last 2 years the Big 10 was considered to be in the same situation. Then O$U had to go and shit the boat in the 2 MNC games, and Michigan fell off the face of the earth, and apparently those were the only 2 schools in the Big 10 that mattered)

Then there are these things you have to take into consideration when it comes to USC:
1) their major recruiting advantage(s): they get to play in friggen sunny LA as the premier football team on ANY level in town (and then there’s all the booster $$ scandal that seems to come up every year). USC is able to recruit 3 & 4 star players to come in just to play BACKUP. Few other teams can realistically do that, and Penn State, unfortunately, isn’t one of them, at least at this point in time.
2) not to bash one conference and call it weak, while simultaneously disregard the “Big 10 is weak” argument, but the Pac-10 is (recently, in regards to scheduling) historically a weak, nearly 1 team conference. As I already said, the Big 10 has only been looked at as “weak” the past 2 years, well after most of our scheduling had been done (though admittedly there was still plenty of time to go out and land another Oregon State type deal, which we attempted, yet failed at, since despite what some people may think, there aren’t a ton of decent-quality schools willing to do anything less than a home & home deal, but we don’t have any more of those to hand out currently, as we can typically only give out 1-2 a year)

I would imagine if the Big 10 really does continue to look like crap the next couple of years, then you’ll see programs like O$U & PSU go out and schedule tougher non-con teams in order to boost their schedules, but as of the time last year’s and this year’s schedules were made, we didn’t feel that need.

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with both sides of the argument...

Schedule D1-A teams. It makes us look better nationally as well as helps with recruiting. Any high school recruit worth a sh*t looks at our upcoming schedules. Period.

Beat Iowa and we are in the NC game. You go undefeated and you’re from the Big Ten will almost guarantee you a shot to play for the NC. How many times have their been 3 undefeated teams from BCS conferences?

"I was looking for four things. Honesty, loyalty, trustworthiness and a man of character. Joe Paterno has all of that." - Derrick Williams

by Stately NOVA Lion on Mar 9, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

There is no argument.

It is wat it is. And what it is, is not going to change.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Mar 9, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semantics.

I agree with both sides of the coin then.

"I was looking for four things. Honesty, loyalty, trustworthiness and a man of character. Joe Paterno has all of that." - Derrick Williams

by Stately NOVA Lion on Mar 9, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think we can all agree the OOC schedules (specifically 2009) leave something to be desired. As a season ticket holder and a fan, I’d like to see better opponents.

But it doesn’t follow that our OOC schedule in 2008 (or any other year) hurt us in any tangible way. That’s simply incorrect.

by Laaaaazzz on Mar 9, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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