Time To Question Curley? (Clarified)
Since its a fruitless battle trying to make myself clear in the comments of my previous post, I'll do it here.
My point was never that we should concede our home games. If the athletic department insists on 15 every two years, then fine. I have no problem with an athletic department trying to make money. What I do have a problem with is the obvious lack of effort on the athletic department's part to TRY and get better opponents. Coastal Carolina and Youngstown St. SCREAM lack of effort, and in the case of Coastal, cronyism. Just because an athletic director is a former Nittany Lion is absolutely no reason to make 110,000 people buy tickets for a massacre like that, and then listen to analysts throw it in your face for the next 3 months. Period. When the many vocal Penn State haters in the media look to get us on something, they'll go straight to our worst non-conference game and say "Well look who they played? I-AA_________". How many times did asswipes like Mark May leave out the fact that we beat Oregon St. last year? When you schedule I-AA teams, its like saying "We didn't even want to spend the time trying to negotiate with legitimate I-A programs who might have been tougher in negotiations, but ultimately would have given us the one-and-done visit we'd have asked them for for an extra 100,000 grand."
My point was not that we should necessarily change the scheduling practices, but rather, work like dogs to get the most out of them. If you're going to play 15 home games in 2 years, make them the best damn 15 home games you can possibly make them. In my opinion, when you see I-AA teams on our schedule, it means the people in the athletic department just didn't work hard enough to get someone better to play in that spot. Curley runs the athletic department. He needs to be held accountable for that.
I-AA might as well say "We didn't try"
And to those who so eloquently pointed out that we lost to Iowa last year, I say this. Why the hell should one loss disqualify us when it didn't disqualify many other teams? Why were WE the ones that had to fall to the back of the line? I'm aware the Big 10 wasn't that great last year, which is PRECISELY why the non-conference needs to be better! Its an insurance policy for when we only have one loss, and the conference sucks, to have something respectable to fall back on. That safety net wasn't there last year. Which is why we never saw the light of day.
To sum up. Want 15 home games? Fine. Just try. Thats all we ask.
As for basketball, let me say it again. There is NO REASON a 21-win team, regardless of their past history, be sitting on Lunardi's last 4 in heading into Championshop week. A lot of times, losing to a good team is better than beating crappy teams, so why even waste the time A) pissing your fans off, and B) giving the critics amo? If a 18-19 win Penn State team had played anything remotely respectable in the non-conference this year, and done the same thing in the Big 10, we're not all sweating out every game of every MEAC tournament this week. Plain and simple.
And, if, as some have claimed, we're scheduling down to our perceived ability level, thats ridiculous. No one cares about you if you don't get into the NCAA Tournament, which is why, regardless of talent level, the athletic department needs to put the team in the best position to succeed in doing that every single year, not just run up meaningless wins to say "Look! We don't suck THAT bad". If becoming a contender means getting your ass beat for a higher RPI, then do it. If this team misses the tournament for a riduculous reason like that, we should all be ashamed.
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Addressing the basketball schedule
The schedule was made because when we went out and scheduled good teams and played in the Old Spice the last 2 years, we lost. We weren’t ready and we didn’t have the bodies or skill.
This year, we had no way of knowing that Battle would take such a gigantic step and that Pringle would step up his game. Big Ed needed to get wins to make sure progress was happening. there is nothing wrong with that because we were not supposed to be an NCAA team, we are a little ahead of schedule. Teams do this all the time trying to break through (see A&M a few years ago, Florida in the late 90s, list is endless). Hopefully next year the schedule should be a little more difficult. Baby steps.
by STU Boy on Mar 9, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In a way, I understand the basketball schedule.
It was a make or break year for DeChellis. They needed wins of any variety.
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 9, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In principle, I don't think you'll find much disagreement.
That said:
make them the best damn 15 home games you can possibly make them
Great, in theory, but if you operate under the assumption that they’re going to schedule those 15 home games in two years (and there’s really no doubt about that anymore), you have to realize that it’s awfully difficult to fill each of those 7 non-conference slots with quality teams. It’s logistically impossible, because the little schools now realize that they have more bargaining power than they used to.
We’ll always be able to schedule a 2-for-1 with Temple, but the days of Texas Tech, Southern Miss, or UCF giving us one home game are over unless ABC/ESPN steps in with $$$ like they did with Oregon State.
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK
Well first of all, I think of 119 teams, SOMEONE has to be willing to go to Happy Valley. So, I guess I disagree with you on that front, because the next move is for the big schools to band together and threaten to just all schedule I-AA teams twice as often as they did before, which will bring the little schools running back.
But, imagine for a second that for some reason, not a single I-A school agrees to play us. The only option is to play I-AA schools or think of something else.
Why not go into a MAC type deal with a conference on our own? Offer a 2-for-1 with the Mountain West over a 12 year period or something. Tell them to send over 2 of their crappy teams, and we’ll go out to play Utah, TCU, or BYU every couple years? They sell out their stadiums, their conference gets a nice fat Saturday time slot, and the money flows to the other side just by taking Penn St. out west. In return, we get some nice matchups that can make our non-con very good.
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by fugimaster24 on Mar 9, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oregon State was not a cheap date
“Well first of all, I think of 119 teams, SOMEONE has to be willing to go to Happy Valley.”
Yes, and those teams are the members of the Mid-American Conference.
“Why not go into a MAC type deal with a conference on our own?”
It would be more expensive than when the Big Ten buys its MAC opponents in bulk. (This is why Penn State tends to schedule a second MAC team rather than an opponent of equal mediocrity from another non-BCS conference.)
We currently have a 1-for-1 with a major BCS opponent, a 4-for-2 with Temple (gets us eight home games every two years), a one-and-done with another MAC team (an Akron here, a Northern Illinois there), and a FCS team with some wacky connection to the conference (Coastal Carolina’s AD went undefeated at PSU! Eastern Illinois has the younger brother of the greatest Illini-American EVAR! Youngstown State once had cute penguin mascots and Jim Tressel as head coach at the same time!)
There’s only two ways to improve this schedule:
PLAN A – Convince ABC/ESPN to go in with our crazy scheme to pay over 1 MILLION DOLLARS for a one-and-done game with a second major BCS opponent. Hi-jinks ensue and our schedule improves. (I believe you’ve all met Oregon State?) This, of course, requires 1 MILLION DOLLARS
PLAN B – Convince legislators in Harrisburg to support Penn State budget with something other than an away game at Temple. Keep Temple as home-only patsy, and convince a mediocre team down on their luck to play a 2-for-1 with Penn State. Cross our fingers and hope that our opponent ends up being better than they were when we signed them. (I have no idea – Maryland maybe?) This, of course, requires the cost of the “something other,” plus any additional costs for the 2-for-1.
by Aaron PSU on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you put your pinky to your mouth as you said "1 MILLION DOLLARS"?
also, does this mean that in 30 years these small 1-A schools are gonna start charging 1 BILLION DOLLARS?
As for Youngstown State – cute penguin mascots and sweater vests? Count me in!
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete and Penny Penguin are pretty pleasant
I had no idea what to expect the first time the Youngstown State Penguins came to town.

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by Aaron PSU on Mar 11, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you fail to realize...
Every school in DIV 1A wants to have as many home games as possible. In order to get a school like USF, BC, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Syracuse, and all the other recent out of conference teams we played, to come to State College to play we either have to A) reciprocate the favor and play in their stadium or B) fork over a ton of money. Its much more profitable to pay a DIAA school a couple hundred thousand dollars and fill Beaver Stadium than schedule USF for a home and away series. The only way that is going to change is if people stop showing up at Beaver Stadium to see PSU crush Southwest North Dakota State.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"The only way that is going to change is if people stop showing up at Beaver Stadium to see PSU crush Southwest North Dakota State."
which isn’t even necessarily true, since season tickets sell out every year, so they already get their $, and as long as PSU keeps winning, you know people aren’t gonna give up their season tickets just because there are 2 crappy OOC games, and risk the 1 good OOC game and all the good Big 10 games.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even during the worst period of PSU football
just a few years ago season tickets didn’t slip that much. More than enough fans were willing to step up and take those bitter fans places. Now there is a season ticket waiting line. It was nothing more than a nice entry point for fans who couldn’t previously get season tickets.
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by rahpsu92 on Mar 10, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See I like a certain amount of these games
Nice warm day early in the fall. Drink a couple (or ten) beers. No stress before the game, no stress during the game.
Never understimate the value of scheduling a game that allows you to throw a party that you are sure won’t be ruined by a loss.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Mar 11, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
I actually like having ~2 patsy games on the home schedule a year. It’s a stress free fun weekend in Happy Valley. And it gives some of the second and third string minutes on the field which helps the depth.
Also, a group of my friends and I tend to go up every year for a football weekend and we invariable due it for a patsy game due to the low anxiety relating to the game and the ease of getting a bunch of tickets.
by Laaaaazzz on Mar 11, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cupcake games are good
for those of us who have a hard time getting tix to the “good” games.
I always enjoy my Happy Valley weekend watching a win over Temple, YSU, etc..
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by NJ lion on Mar 11, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I think the premise in the article here is flawed. I’m sure PSU doesn’t schedule 1-AA teams bcause of a lack of effort – - they schedule them because they are more profitable. Now, one can argue that that’s a bad reason to do so, but it’s not really the point; the PSU AD knows exactly what is going on when choosing that type of opponent. It’s not that they are ignorantly making a silly choice.
The cost for getting bad 1-A schools to do 1 and done deals has skyrocketed. 1-AA schools are a fraction of the cost (around 1/3 I think). Many 1-A mid-majors won’t even do 1 and dones any more since they can get 2 for 1 deals or even 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 deals (as a way of examples, Pitt is playing Buffalo 2 for 2; Rutgers is playing Floridal International 1 and 1; Louisville is playing Arkansas St 1 and 1). And it is very difficult to get a Oregon St type arrangement — that only occured due to some significant work and with ESPN kicking in a bunch of money to make it worthwhile for the Beavers. And it was widely reported that PSU tried to get a similar deal this year, but couldn’t get it to work out; it takes two to tango and sometimes it’s not that PSU isn’t willing to spend the money.
by Laaaaazzz on Mar 9, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greed = 12th Game = Cupcakes
And here’s a good story on the evolving world of college football pastry.
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 9, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmm, pastry
(I love auto-complete on these forms. “mmmmmm, waffles” came up as apparently one of my previous posts)
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose the question I would ask you
is who exactly do you think we should (and would actually be able to) schedule in place of what other games?
I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that scheduling 1-AA games is ridiculous, but as RUTS points out, the cupcates in 1-A are starting to charge a LOT of money, since they know that they are in high demand. In many cases they are charging more than the host team can afford out of its budget, making it not worth playing that team economically (basically negating the advantage of the 15 home games every 2 years).
As RUTS also points out, ESPN came in and saved our ass last year by helping to arrange (and front $) for the OrSt game. There were similar attempts this year, but no team or arrangement was able to come around that was beneficial to everyone involved. ESPN isn’t gonna help us schedule a game with the likes of San Diego St, because they know they won’t get the viewership. Penn State can’t schedule many of these “cupcakes” without paying more money than they are willing to spend. As you go higher up the ladder looking for competition, you start finding teams that won’t play anything less than a home & home.
When you have 8 OOC games to work with over the course of 2 years, 2 of those are already taken up by our quality home & home games, 2 more are taken up by our MAC obligation (though Temple gives us a 2 for 1 deal, so it really depends on what set of 2 years we’re talking about). That brings us down to 4 games over 2 years to work with, 3 of which we have to have at home, which leaves us an option. Schedule one more home and home, giving us 2 cupcakes (1 each year), or we can just schedule 4 cupcakes (2 each year) for MUCH cheaper, especially considering we’ve been pulling one of those games from 1-AA, where are payments are on the order of hundreds of thousands, instead of over a million, which is what 1-A cupcakes are starting to ask for.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and let's not forget
that we aren’t the only school with the same scheduling issues. You have the other ~25 “top” programs out there, all vying for the ~25 “bottom” programs for 1 & done deals, meanwhile the middle 50 (and the other top 25) are all demanding home & home deals. (this is, of course, what is driving up the prices the “bottom” teams charge to come in and get slaughtered).
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like
The only way to solve this is for the NCAA to step up and take away the non conference scheduling power from the schools and put in place some sort of rotating interconference games. For example, One year it is Big10/ACC and Big10/MAC, then Big10/SEC and Big10/ConfUSA etc…
by whiteoutonly on Mar 9, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that
or just not count games against 1-AA schools.
I would like there to be more “conference challenge” type games, like maybe 2 or 3, but I think one of the hard things about that is that conferences have different #s of teams
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 9, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even sure having a 1-AA game hurts us that bad
all by itself. It’s having that 1-AA game combined with a crappy “Marquee” opponent.
If we scheduled a 1-AA and 2 crap 1-As along with Florida/Alabama/USC/Texas etc. nobody would be talking about our weak OOC schedule. It’s not the worst team we play that’s the problem, its the best team. Unfortunatley once in a while we can get caught in the down cycle of another good team a al Syracuse or ND. It works the other way too — a few years ago, Alabama would have been a “meh” opponent. They postpone the series, and now everyone will be creaming themselves when we play them
Looks at OSU — does anybody care who they play OOC beyond their one top-billing game?
by PSU Mudder on Mar 10, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
and they’ve also been scheduling 1-AA schools, a MAC team, and another “meh” team, along with their one top-billing game.
Basically the moral of this story: sometimes the marquee opponent just isn’t that good in the year you play them, sometimes your conference isn’t good on a given year, and sometimes you don’t have any other good team on your slate, either, and sometimes those things all happen at the same time.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, and it's the conference that is supposed to lift us up.
But when Michigan totally sucks, the conference will be perceived as sucking unless there’s some other team besides Ohio State or Penn State has a monster top-10 season.
And let’s be real, it’s fashionable to beat up on the Big Ten if you’re in the media. Some of that is deserved, some of it is the result of a media echo chamber. But when you’re in a down conference and everybody knows it, you CAN’T LOSE TO IOWA.
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 10, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lose to Iowa? What are you talking about? We haven't lost to Iowa since 1996
I mean sure, last year we came close, but after Maybin blocked that FG and returned it for a TD that added a new spark to the team as we went on to win the National Championship.
We beat them in 2007 as well.
Didn’t play in 2005 or 2006.
2003 & 2004 are kinda black spots in my memory, but I’m pretty sure there was an investigation by the NCAA that discoved that every single one of our opponents that year used ineligible players by bringing in the NFL Pro Bowl players as ringers.
2002 was the year I gained ultimate confidence in the referees as they were able to correctly call that Tony Johnson made a catch with both feet inbounds.
2000 & 2001 are also a little fuzzy, but I’m pretty sure that the NCAA again intervened when it turned out that again, every single one of our opponents were cheating. I’m also pretty sure they came down hardest on Iowa for using performance enhancing drugs, stolen playbooks, NFL ringers (and not to mention the other legal problems they had involving certain “relations” with cows)
We beat them in 1999, didn’t play in 1998 or 1997.
Then in 1996, sure that loss to Iowa hurt, but we were already knocked out of National Championship consideration by Ohio State a couple weeks earlier. I suppose it didn’t help our case any, though.
Or maybe you were talking about basketball? Again, I don’t recall losing to Iowa this year, I mean heck, we had those 2 great comeback wins. I was particularly impressed with Battle for driving to the hoop with just a couple seconds left in the second game, making the shot while getting fouled, and making the +1 to put the game away. I wouldn’t hold last year’s losses against this team, though, as we hardly stood a chance of making the tournament.
Ah, Iowa, when will you guys learn to beat us.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve tried to re-write history but never gone as far as this. Bravo, sir!
by ReadingRambler on Mar 10, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I’ve long submitted that the quality of an OOC schedule is determined by the strength of the good opponents, not how bad the patsies are. I don’t really understand why people get too caught up in playing 1-AAs — a patsy is a patsy. If we were playing Florida International instead of Eastern Illinois in 2009, would people suddenly be okay with out OOC schedule? Of course not. Conversely, if we were playing Florida instead of Syracuse, then would people feel it’s a competitive schedule? Absolutely — the fact we’d have a 1-AA on the schedule would be far less important.
by Laaaaazzz on Mar 10, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One step further.
The quality of an OOC schedule is also determined by the perceived strength of the good opponents. Penn State played Nebraska and Arizona in some of their most overhyped years. Great for PSU at the time because they got the bump in polls. Didn’t matter that Arizona eventually finished 6-6 or Nebraska finished 7-7.
"Never. We would never shoot nuclear weapons at Decepticons." -- Gen. Jack Jacobs
by Run Up The Score on Mar 10, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's mentioned it so far...
but the real answer is a national championship playoff. Then the OOC games don’t mean quite as much. Maybe the top eight conference champs with four At-Large bids or something (it is always going to always be hard to decide the last seed over the team(s) left out).
On the flip side, that would create a logistical nightmare for administrators and fans alike. Just think about trying to get 100+ players, coaches, cheerleaders, bands and other hangers-on to the first round game in Austin or Norman or somewhere…even a bowl city (you think Rutgers lost a lot!) on short one-week notice. Then, you find out the National Cattlemen’s Association (or the Gay and Lesbian Society…. I know some of you guys will say that sounds HOT!) is in town for their annual convention so there are no rooms for hundreds of miles.
Then, think about the fans trying to scramble to get hotels, flights, etc. Many fans would have to decide…Do I go to the first round game or take a chance that PSU wins and gets to the second round against USC or FL? I can’t go to two or three playoff games, even if they are at the Beav at a couple hundred $ a pop.
And, if you have “host teams” for the first round or two, then you have to get the stadium staff in gear on pretty short notice. Not to mention the wonderful weather that the Southies may have to play in in Columbus, SC, or AA in December.
Then you have the scholar-athletes at FL, OK, TX (not the Nits) off the books and out of class for another two-three weeks.
Guys, while we’d like to fix it all, let’s be realistic and keep the pressure on Curley to keep getting an Alabama, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc, for a few years of Home and Homes and put up with two Macs and French Fries…I mean Temples in the off years. Maybe they can eventually coerce Pitt into a 2-1 or 3-2. After all, in the almost 100 PITT-Penn State games, only about 1/3 were played at PSU!
by PaJoe on Mar 9, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really buy it...
Every other level of football is able to do just fine in the playoffs with only one weeks notice of who is going to play. If everyone from DIII schools to NFL teams can do it, I don’t see what would stop DIA schools.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 9, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Does anyone know how much $ PSU football brings in during a season (and/or how much they get for each home game)? We keep bringing up the point that we have to pay these teams ~$1 million, and granted that seems like a lot of money (and it is), I was just wondering at how much of a percentage $1 million is compared to what we make on a home game.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
According to Forbes
The team is worth $69 million, with a profit of $29.4 million. I’m assuming these numbers represent the per season value.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Mar 10, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three slightly forgotten points.
And I can’t believe I’m going to write this, because I’ve been bitching about this scheduling thing for years.
1. We all know that football is the lifeblood for the entire athletic department, so wouldn’t Penn State be irresponsible to not maximize its revenue with these extra home games?
2. If the difference between paying Buffalo or Eastern Illinois for a PSU home game is $400,000, and the result in either case is a 98% Penn State victory, what is the real harm in going with the cheaper option outside of the obvious SOS concerns?
3. Each Penn State home game brings in tens of millions of dollars to the local economy. Isn’t scheduling cupcakes in the current fashion the socially responsible thing to do for State College and surrounding areas?
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 10, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Number 3,
I would doubt that the school takes that into consideration when scheduling football games, but it is definitely true. A large percentage of businesses in State College only turn a profit because of the handful of huge events in the area (football games, graduation, arts fest). Taking one or two extra home games away combined with this economy would bankrupt many local businesses.
by VVeRPennState on Mar 10, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
State College is essentially a two industry town. 1 Higher Education and 2 Tourism. There is tremendous pressure to fill the weekends with activities. Eight football games, three graduations, Arts Fest, Blue/White, Fourth of July, First Night, The High School Volleyabll Tournament in the Spring, etc…
Get people in to town, and get them to spend money. It’s important to everybody.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Mar 10, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't forget about Hippy tours like
what is left of the Grateful Dead and Phish like bands coming into the BJC. I would think Unimart would be selling out of Death dogs during those events. Calder Way shops would be blowing out of hemp products and balloons.
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by rahpsu92 on Mar 10, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
Phish has not been to the Jordan Center since 1997. It was an awful show, where the Jordan Center Secret Police harrassed the shit out of everybody. Nobody liked it here, they are never coming back. The Jordan Center sucks for concerts anyway.
I think the Dead might have played at Rec Hall in the early 1970’s, but I’m not even sure of that.
j
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Mar 10, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the remnants of the Dead just
play BJC in the fall? I recall an article about Paternoville mentioning the students guarding the tents against marauding bands of concert goers with the munchies.
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by rahpsu92 on Mar 11, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The remnants of the Dead
are not the Dead. Not even a little bit. Those tour kids don’t have any money anyway.
Of course, I was at the Phish show in Hampton last weekend, those tickets were going for a $1,000 a pop. I guess more than a couple us “know it all college hippies” went out and got ourselves straight jobs.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Mar 11, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
next thing you know
you’ll be telling kids to get off your lawn
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 11, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could really
give a crap what neo-hippies think of a Garcia-less Grateful Dead.
It doesn’t really matter – my message about selling out death dogs and hemp products was obviously a joke and not meant as realistic solution to a budget issue.
pinkertonpark.com
by rahpsu92 on Mar 11, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are death dogs still 2 for a buck?
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by NJ lion on Mar 11, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most here that the problem isn’t the I-AA school on the schedule, it’s the crappiness of the best team we play out of conference combined with the crappiness of the other two out of conference teams. Here are the only solutions I see:
1. Get rid of the polls and go to a playoff system. Conference winners of the Big 6 and two at large berths to pacify the Boise States, Utahs and Notre Dames of the world. The non conference games now become basically preseason games designed to get your team ready for your conference schedule. In fact, I wouldn’t be opposed to eliminating two of the out of conference games altogether. Then every Big 10 team would have a chance to play each other instead of having the rotating schedule.
2. Prevent teams from setting their out of conference schedules a decade in advance. The real problem with PSUs schedule this year is that their marquee opponent Syracuse was coming off a 10 win season when they were scheduled. How the hell was anyone supposed to predict a team with a storied history and former rival would completely fall in the crapper? Whose to say that if we scheduled Florida to play us in 2015 that Urban Meyer wouldn’t leave and the program would fall into tatters? Why is it so important that the schedule be fixed so far in advance? Are you going to try and tell me you can’t put together a schedule for next season before the spring semester ends?
3. The elephant in the room solution – The rest of the athletic department has to cut back on their spending. Not a popular move for certain, but if you want better opponents under the current system you are going to have to play home-away games. That means you can’t play 15 home games every two years. That means less money comes in. That means less money for the rest of PSU athletics. A sucky solution for sure. Indirectly, the success of PSU basketball in generating some fan interest could help in this department. Should be something interesting to follow over the next few years.
4. Leave the Big 10 Conference. Probably the most realistic option I think. Granted I don’t see any of these solutions coming to fruition. Leaving the conference would free up 8 games on the schedule and enable PSU to schedule whoever they please. All of which could be scheduled as home-away series.
by catesinator on Mar 10, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leave the Big Ten?
I don’t see how leaving the Big Ten would help anything… the Big Ten makes more revenue for its member schools than any other college conference and wherever else we’d end up going (or becoming an independent) would elave us with less money. Which would mean we’d need to schedule more of the 1 and done revenue producing games to “keep up with the Jones”.
by Laaaaazzz on Mar 10, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
We should change the rotation of the Earth so that we play our games in the spring rather than the fall. Next, we stage a coup overthrowing President Obama replacing him with a junta composed of Gahram Spanier, Joe Paterno, Ted Williams frozen head and the goast of Rip Engle. Next, we’ll legalize stem cell research and create an army of super football players assigning them to teams to play against Penn State in 12 football games at Beaver Stadium. After going 12 and 0, the National Championship game will also be played at Beaver Stadium because it will be early summer, and who can think of a better place to play a game than State College in late May.
I mean it’s perfect, and perfectly reasonable if you ask me.
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by jesse. on Mar 11, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course, it would have all worked perfectly
except while designing our super football players we forgot to make them smart enough to get into Division 1-A schools, so the ones that didn’t get their grades inflated to go to O$U, FSU and SEC schools all wound up going to 1-AA schools (after 2 years of JuCo). So even though we were playing superior talent, they were still on teams like Youngstown St., Coastal Carolina, Directional Illinois, etc, and Penn State still got blasted for their weak scheduling.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 11, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since it all comes down to revenue...
1a.) The PSU administration could assess each student a few extra thousand dollars for an activity fee to fund the athletic dept. or
1b.) A straight tuition hike to make up the athletic dept budget gap. Affordable tuition vs. decent football competition. Hmmmm.
2.) Turn Beaver Stadium into a corporate monkey like so many other sports facilities. Any large irresponsible corporations still out there looking to throw away tens of millions of dollars?
3.) Find a corporate sponsor for OOC games to sweeten the pot.
4.) Whore out your copyrighted logo for license fees on everything from baby rattles to grandpa’s rocking chair. (crap already done!)
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by rahpsu92 on Mar 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to break it to you
Some would say #2 has already been done as well.
by Wlvrn99 on Mar 10, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no longer a tuition payer so you aren't
really hurting my feelings.
According to the athletic dept, they are self funded. I always took that to mean they don’t take funds from the University’s general fund – i.e. tuition.
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by rahpsu92 on Mar 10, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
are you guys talking about 1b, or 2?
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 10, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about 2
I’ve talked to PSU fans who feel that advertising in the stadium has reach a saturation point. I feel the same way, but I’m a Michigan fan, so I realize my opinion here is irrelevant.
by Wlvrn99 on Mar 10, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Everyone loves when the PA drowns out the Blue Band to, “Thank our corporate sponsors….. Pepsi, PNC Bank, The Outlets at Rockvale, Hershey, Nationwide Insurance” etc. etc.
And the ribbon boards that were added so that we can alledgedly get out of town scores. Which of course turned into one or two score updates per game, and ads the entire rest of the game.
by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sho'nuf...
a very fitting icon for a Shogun.
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by rahpsu92 on Mar 11, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm up to speed now...
You are right. Lot’s of little corporate monkeys. We just haven’t brought in the 900lb gorilla – welcome PSU fans to a nice day of football here in Comcast Stadium
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by rahpsu92 on Mar 11, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might be OK with Yuengling Stadium
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Mar 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comcast Center
Welcome to University of Maryland.
Corporate naming of stadiums is awful to begin with, but seems particularly out of place on college campuses.
by Laaaaazzz on Mar 11, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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