Sometimes Life Gives You Cupcakes
I'll be the first to tell you Penn State's out of conference schedule in 2009 is pretty weak. If we're fortunate enough to be undefeated late in the season, there is just no way come November I'll be able to make a case for why Penn State deserves to play for the national championship because of our convincing wins over Akron, Syracuse, Temple, and Eastern Illinois. I can accept this is a terrible schedule, but what I can't accept are statements like these. (emphasis mine)
Dan from State College, Pa., writes: After looking at some of the cupcakes on Penn State's schedule this coming fall, I can't help but be somewhat irritated. Eastern Illinois? REALLY? Call me crazy, but I would much rather see a good OOC team in that slot instead. Perhaps another Pac10 team? Cal? USC? I really can't be the only person who thinks some of these teams are too creampuff for Penn State. Why aren't we scheduling the USCs of the college football world, like Ohio State?
Hold on there, Dan from State College. I'll accept that Penn State's schedule is pretty weak, but I'm not going to let you suggest Penn State is ducking the competition. Let's talk a bit about how this schedule came about.
The first thing to keep in mind is that sometimes matchups that look great at the time they are signed don't look so great five years down the road. In the spring of 2002 when Penn State signed the deal to play Syracuse in 2008 and 2009, the Orange were coming off a 10-3 season. Though they are utterly abysmal now, at the time they were riding a string of 15 straight seasons with a winning record. There was no reason to believe Greg Robinson was going to run the program in the tank over the next five years. Sometimes cupcakes just happen. But credit Penn State for scrambling to get Oregon State on the schedule at the last minute in 2008.
More after the jump...
The other thing that can mess up a schedule is that sometimes teams back out on you. For instance, we were supposed to play Alabama in 2004 and 2005.
''Alabama officials approached us with a request to postpone the dates due to the issues they were facing with N.C.A.A. sanctions,'' Penn State's athletic director, Tim Curley, said yesterday.
The Crimson Tide was scheduled to visit Penn State on Sept. 18, 2004, with the Nittany Lions playing at Alabama on Sept. 10, 2005. The new agreement delays the home-and-home series until 2013 and 2014. (BSD - since this article was published the dates were moved up to 2010 and 2011.)
You want to talk about ducking competition? There's your ducking competition. Alabama wanted easy wins until they got out from under the NCAA sanctions. As a result Penn State's out of conference schedule in 2004 and 2005 featured Akron, Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, South Florida, and Central Michigan because they couldn't schedule another marquee name on such short notice. Now we get to play Alabama in 2010 and 2011 when Nick Saban should have them firing on all cylinders. I guess Dan from State College either forgot or didn't know all of this.
We just wrapped up a two year series with Notre Dame. Before that it was Boston College. Before that it was Nebraska. Going forward, Penn State has a series with Alabama, Virginia, and Nebraska. I'll admit Virginia and Nebraska don't look so hot right now, but those of you with premium BWI memberships may have read yesterday there are some interesting scheduling developments going on that should be made public in the next few weeks or months when everything is finalized. I can't reveal the schools being discussed, but rest assured the schedule is about to get a lot tougher. That is, provided nobody backs out or hires Greg Robinson between now and then.
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That is, provided nobody backs out or hires Greg Robinson between now and then
I guess he wanted to make sure out SOS suffered EVERY year, not just once in a while when we faced Syracuse.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"...but rest assured the schedule is about to get a lot tougher"
Here’s a (free) hint. It’s almost like they’re taking on the scheduling plan I’ve been flogging for three or four years now.
Supposedly, PSU is working on some other arrangements as well. I’ll believe it when I see it.
"Never. We would never shoot nuclear weapons at Decepticons." -- Gen. Jack Jacobs
by Run Up The Score on Apr 14, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two BCS games is certainly a step in the right direction
and I would take it in a heartbeat. In my perfect dream world one would be a national power and the other would be an eastern team, maybe Pitt, and then Temple to kick off the season. But don’t get me wrong. This I love.
Kath?
by psuphiman80 on Apr 14, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rutgers? Really?
Did we not learn our lesson from scheduling Syracuse?
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Greg Schiano has stabilized that program and he’s bringing in good talent. They should be a solid 8 or 9 win team as long as he’s there and continues to recruit well. It won’t have any kind of WOW factor with the national media, but it won’t kill us with the BCS computers either. I especially like the fact the dates match up with the years we’re playing Virginia in a home and home series. That would give us two BCS opponents each year.
Unless we’re planning on backing out on Virginia. Or maybe they have already backed out on us. We’ll have to wait and see how this shakes out.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like it too
half of my family is involved with Rutgers one way or another, and they always give me smack talk in their delusional Rutgers frame of mind that they would be able to beat us. This was even back when they would routinely have 2 win seasons. So yeah, I would enjoy it. Plus my cousin works for the football team, so I could probably score good free tickets (not to mention my step-dad is a season ticket holder…but I don’t think he’d allow me to sit with him in my PSU gear ;-) )
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another "hint"
Let’s just say I have been promised tickets by someone “in the know” to a game at Rutgers stadium during that timeframe. But maybe I’m going to see them play Syracuse ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schedulign philosophy
I’m a big fan of this idea (which is what I think you also support):
1 national/elite team
1 regional opponent
2 patsies
With the first two teams baing home/away and alternating as such, you can have 7 home games a year, two BCS teams on the OOC schedule a year. 2 games against patsies allows for backups to get some experience (and even gives a someone relaxing weekend in Happy Valley). Every year there would be 1 BCS opponent at home on the non-conference schedule which helps us season ticket buyers. Everyone wins.
UVa isn’ t the ideal “national” team, but coupled with Rutgers that wouldn’t be a bad 20012-13 OOC schedule. And we have a bunch of alumni in both Virginia and NJ that would be serviced by those away games.
by Laaaaazzz on Apr 14, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Killing two staches with one stone
Scheduling Pitt would allow us to cross off 1 regional opponent, and serve as another patsie!
by NittanyBadger on Apr 14, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People with short memories
that is about the only reason I can come up with for people thinking Penn State “always” has a creampuff schedule. It essentialy happened TWICE, and both times (only once successful) we scrambled last minute to add a better opponent once we saw how crappy Syracuse was going to be.
I suppose people can complain about us scheduling the cupcake that is Notre Dame for 2007, or for Alabama bailing on us in 2004-2005.
I know this comes across as "blaming others for our ‘problems’ " but besides schedule 2 heavyweight OOC games every year, which no teams out of the Pac-10 seem to do.
I also guess Dan from State College forgot OSU’s impressive 2007 OOC schedule:
Youngstown State (non-1-A)
Akron (4-8)
Washington (4-9) (and 0 and friggen 12 in 2008)
Kent (3-9)
I’m trembling in my boots…that’s an OOC schedule MUCH better than Penn State’s from 2008 or 2009. I’m sure it caused OSU to get snubbed from any National Championship talks, though…oh wait, no, their inability to beat SEC teams did that for them, in the MNC game!
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Notre Dame
In doing some research for this post, I found that the Notre Dame series was inked in the spring of 2002. That fall Ty Willingham won double digits in his first year. While the Irish were pretty crappy in 2007, nobody was accusing us of scheduling Notre Dame to duck competition in the fall of 2002.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the name, not the record that counts
Syracuse isn’t a name, and neither is Rutgers or Virginia. We won’t get any respect for that schedule from the media. It will help our BCS standings though.
Scheduling (for the casual fan or media pundit) is about names, not records. A 10-2 Rutgers may get you a bump in BCS computer-standings, but the media will just leave them out of their argument and focus on Temple. It happened last season: “PSU played Temple, Syracuse, and Coastal Carolina, they only schedule cupcakes, they have no business in the NC game” meanwhile they tactfully left out Oregon State.
Unless Virginia, Rutgers, or Nebraska wins a NC game or wins their conference more than once between now and then they’ll simply be left out of the argument and the pundits will focus on the bad teams we’ll play. If they’re terrible they’ll include them in their argument.
The moral of the story is, people like Dan from State College or some pundit at tWWL aren’t going to care who we play unless it’s Florida, USC, or Texas.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Apr 14, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But come on
How many times do we see a USC-OSU matchup in the regular season anymore? Name one SEC team that played a top ten team out of conference this year (not including Alabama and overrated Clemson).
USC has a play anyone any time mentality because the PAC-10 sucks. Beating up on Arizona and UCLA doesn’t impress anyone, and Notre Dame blows, so they have to get good competition. Outside of them nobody goes after the best competition anymore.
The Big XII south schedules are a joke, but nobody is giving them a hard time as I see it. Penn State is doing what everyone else does. Schedule one or two decent, but not great opponents and fill out the rest with cupcakes. Then rely on your conference schedule to provide the big matchups. In normal years knocking off Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio State would easily punch your ticket to the national championship game. But not the way the Big Ten is now.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we had done what you said
and knocked off all of those teams, then we would have been in. Unfortunately team # 3 on your list posed a little problem
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
It doesn’t happen that often, or at least seem to, but OSU’s schedule has/is pretty impressive (at least in terms of headliners):
05/06: Texas
08/09: USC
10/11: Miami (FL)
12/13: Cal
14/15: Va Tech
16/17: Oklahoma
18/19: Tennessee
by Screen Name 20 on Apr 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is Penn State's any less impressive?
except hitting teams at the right/wrong times
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying it is
Yes, hitting the teams at the wrong time has definitely hurt the “image” of our schedule. But comparing their schedule and PSU’s, most people would say OSU’s looks more difficult.
Miami (FL)
Nebraska
BC
ND
Alabama
Nebraska
by Screen Name 20 on Apr 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that
obviously Miami is a “wash” (though of course we played them during their MNC runs, and if people remember correctly, we were the last team to beat them during their impressive win streak. They haven’t looked too impressive lately, though, but who knows what they’ll be like next year).
Conversely they played Texas during their MNC runs, while we played a mediocre Nebraska team (name is almost as good, though)
Alabama and USC are about on par namewise (and probably skillwise), though I’ll give USC a slight edge
Nebraska part 2 for us…well I’ll compare them to Oklahoma, give Oklahoma the edge.
Virginia ~ Cal
BC ~ Va Tech (though Va Tech gets the nod here)
ND has a slight edge over Tennessee
So yes, for the most part their matchups are slightly better than ours, but nothing too significantly better (of course we’re also comparing different timeframes as well)
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There’s is slightly better in name historically and our past schedules are comparable, but when you compare future expectations they definitely get the edge:
They will play:
3 BCS teams (current): USC, OU, VaTech (not including Cinncinati)
2 teams that are historically good and can only get better: Miami, Tennessee
PSU will play:
1 BCS team (current): Alabama
1 team that is historically good and can only get better: Nebraska
So in terms of an outsider’s view of our schedule, using current success to determine future difficulty, OSU would have a much tougher schedule.
by Screen Name 20 on Apr 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's in a name?
Honestly, I have to wonder if scheduling some names will make any difference in the bias the pundits will have against PSU anyway. Just like you mentioned, they left out the “W” over Oregon State. An OOC “W” against a Florida, USC or Texas will probably get spun into a “this is an off year for them” and be omitted from this discussion anyway. An “L” against a big name will have the exact opposite effect.
Frankly, why we should give a damn what the pundits focus on. It’s not like they have a freakin’ clue what they’re talking about anyway. The gave/give us:
- Florida didn’t belong on the same field as OSU in ‘07. All of the pregame hype from the “experts” was how OSU was going to mop up the field with them.
- Third time’s a charm. After LSU gave it to OSU in ‘08, the immediate post-season “experts” told us how OSU would make it to the title game again in ’09 and we would see them win NC game number 3. Until they lost to USC at which time the “Big Ten sucks” argument started to gain traction.
- You can’t expect an SEC team to make it through their conference schedule undefeated because the competition is so stiff vs. You can’t expect a Big 10 team to make it through their conference schedule undefeated because none of them are good enough to win every week.
- And my particular favorite . . . How Michigan should be downright ashamed that they started the season ranked number 5 an then lost to App. St., when guess what?? Michigan didn’t rank themselves number 5 . . . the same people that were complaining about the loss did.
I hear what you’re saying. But, as we have seen here, generally speaking our OOC isn’t really that far out of line with most teams that DO get the hype. I just seems like it’s a lose-lose situation, as far as the media goes. Let those (anti)know-it-alls say what they will, get us motivated with “we don’t get any respect”, settle things on the field and then say to the pundits “Can I have your creampuff job? I don’t have a sports journalist resume, but knowing what the hell I’m talking about doesn’t seem to be a qualification anyway.”
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by nitwit86 on Apr 14, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing irritated me more
Than week after week listening to Mark May pontificate “Who has Penn State beaten? Temple, Syracuse, and Coastal Carolina” while conveniently leaving out Oregon State. I was so glad when Lou Holtz finally reminded him of that and all May could do was sheepishly smile and look at his desk breaking eye contact from the camera.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a GREAT moment
and probably the first time I really genuinely liked Lou Holtz
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you both don't think that was scripted?
these guys probably do have some interesting thoughts on some football teams throughout the season but they are forced into neatly packaged “sides”
by gbd106 on Apr 14, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, it was definitely scripted
but Mays never would have read that script, and Holtz did. Also, during that segment, Mays was definitely steaming, so either he is a douchebag, or a great actor, and wasting his talent away at tWWL
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Oregon State was treated like a cupcake win by most of the sports writers for most of the season (their USC win was regarded as a fluke). It wasn’t until deep in the season, when they were still in the Pac-10 race that we were given any credit for a quality win.
by Brett Brown on Apr 14, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
it would obviously have to be a down year for Florida, USC, or Texas before Penn State could ever beat them. I mean we only pick on cupcakes and teams on down years, right?
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nebraska IS a name, don't forget
if you are gonna say “it is the name, not the record” then you even have to count the mediocre Nebraska teams, since they carry the Nebraska name.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Virginia
USC got good credit for playing Virginia this year. How come it is bad for us?
JoePa in '09
by JGuiher on Apr 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when was the last time USC wasn’t gushed over with love and affection for something? after their oregon state loss it took 2 minutes for Mark May to said ‘well this loss just makes them better and they’re a better team because they lost, and i just think it’s a good thing’. I can’t remember the last time I heard anyone from tWWL say anything negative about them.
So yeah, USC will get credit for things we won’t, and I promise no one’s going to give us any credit for Virginia, Nebraska, or Rutgers if they continue playing the way they have in the last couple seasons. If one of them steps up and wins their conference, then maybe, but probably not.
I don’t agree with it, I just think we should be realistic about those teams and our upcoming schedules. To us, yeah those are a good start, but to the average fan or pundit they’re nothing.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Apr 14, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Technically, they got credit for beating them 55-0 or whatever the score was…
by Screen Name 20 on Apr 15, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short memories indeed
that is about the only reason I can come up with for people thinking Penn State "always" has a creampuff schedule.
Exactly. 2009 is an absolutely craptastic schedule. There’s no defending it, it sucks and we should be playing better teams. Syracuse sucks and that’s not our fault, but there’s no reason not to play a second BCS team especially with the schedule flexibiltiy that lead to 8 home games this season.
That said, 2009 is a huge massive sticking out fluke. It’s nothing like any other PSU non-conference schedule. Okay, it’s a little like the 2007 schedule, but that’s a bit unfair because it featured Notre Dame, a team coming off a BCS bowl and a big time traditional powerhouse — there wasn’t much reason to think that they (and by extension our OOC schedule) would be so bad that year.
But that’s it. Every other year — including our future schedules that we know of — have been more than fine and sometimes downright difficult. Either one name team or at least 2 BCS schools out of 3-4 OOC games is certainly acceptable and far from being atypical for BCS conference schools. I hate the 2009 schedule and as a season ticket holder it gives me pause to renew (though I’ll do it anyway) but the amount of griping is crazy. It’s one year, it’s not a trend, and PSU has not shown a tendancy to be “cowardly” in our scheduling. Chill already.
by Laaaaazzz on Apr 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would we play at Rutgers?
Or at the new Giants Stadium? My guess is that Penn State would be all over the latter, but I think Rutgers backed out on Notre Dame over the exact same issue.
Also, I’d think that Rutgers would really want to play their Penn State home game on a Thursday night. I wonder if we’d go for that? I don’t know that I’d mind it if we played like Coastal Carolina in game three, then Rutgers on the following Thursday, then scored an extra few days to prep for the first Big Ten game of the season. That’s actually got a pretty good rhythm to it.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Apr 14, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess
Rutgers would want to play us in their new stadium. They desperately want to be considered one of the Big Boys on the college football scene. Playing your biggest games on neutral sites doesn’t do that. They are struggling to find funding for their new stadium, so they have to draw some marquee names to show donors and lenders that they can do it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better
find funding quick…or Schiano will utilize that “OUT” clause in his contract.
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on Apr 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no
stadium-related out clause in Schiano’s contract. PSU ain’t the only team that gets the shaft from the media when it comes to accurate reporting.
The funding’s already there, in the sense that they already issued bonds, and the expansion is almost finished. Repaying the bonds depends on filling the stadium of course. Rutgers fans are angry about poor OOC schedules over the next few years, but they were already expected to sell out the expanded stadium prior to this announcement. 54,000 isn’t that much.
by number_twentyone on Apr 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funding or No Funding
Schiano will be gone within the next 5 years.
He has built Rutgers from nothing to kinda something. They are by no means a top team in the big east (not that anyone really is). They are a middle of the road, Mid-December Bowl team (or international bowl).
PSU Softball
by QBsneak12 on Apr 14, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
There’s absolutely no reason to think that Schiano is going to leave. He’s gotten everything he’s wanted from the school and athletic department.
Rutgers has the second best winning percentage in conference after West Virginia since the Big East reconstituted. Look it up. The only reason they haven’t gone to a better bowl is because the conference’s tie-ins suck, and that’s going to change in a year.
Listen, if you want to say Rutgers and the Big East suck, you’re entitled to your opinion. But at least let’s deal in facts here.
by number_twentyone on Apr 14, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second best record...
in a reconstituted Big East is a joke that practically writes itself.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Apr 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two issues: Idiots & video games
I blame all of this on two factors.
1. Idiots. Clearly, the people on this board are pretty well informed about PSU football operations, and while frustrated by the Eastern Illinois game, at least understand that the university wants to be able to play 8 home games every other year. We might not like it, but we see where it comes from. Dan is an idiot, otherwise he would have noticed the Alabama game & Nebraska games coming up in the very near future, and that a lot of teams are in the same boat we are with adding IAA opponents.
2. Video games. People who play NCAA 2009 for PS2 or Xbox think you can schedule in real life the same way you do in the game: five minutes before the season starts, all against top 25 teams, and all at home. IT DOESN’T HAPPEN THAT WAY IN REAL LIFE. Schedules are made years, if not decades in advance. And, just because YOU want to play Florida & LSU, what makes you so sure THEY want to play us, let alone travel to SC to do it? Sure, we’d love to see nothing but interesting matchups. Some times, though, you sign Virginia and Boston College. Sexy? Not entirely. But good games against people willing to play us.
by Tailgate Shogun on Apr 14, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Along with the.......
Video game philosophy…………we need to beat the teams that are supposedly better than we are when we play them and beat a few of them like a drum.
Penn State hasn’t provided the public or the pundits with a “Statement” game in over 10 years.
Florida whooped up on Ohio State 3 years ago and people remember that.
USC is 13-3 against the top 10 under Carroll.
LSU whooped up on Ohio State.
Texas went in to SC and beat them at the Rose Bowl.
PSU needs a statement game and a lot of this anti-PSU stuff will go away. You can’t beat up on Coastal Carolina and then barely beat Ohio State after throwing up 45 a game on everyone else and expect people to take notice.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
by ech2os on Apr 14, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
statement games of the past 10 years
split into OOC and conference games (just in case you meant a statement OOC game). Also, these games are based off of the perception of the team at the time we played them, since that’s all most people will remember, though granted a lot of those teams wound up severely underperforming.
OOC
1999: Arizona, @ Miami
2002: Nebraska
2007: Notre Dame
Conference:
2005: OSU
2008: OSU (anyone that actually appreciates football, and not just gunslinging like the Big XII, would appreciate this game. If it was Florida vs Alabama, this game would have been heralded as one of the best games of all time)
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stand by my statement.........
nobody outside of the NE is going to be impressed with those games.
Don’t get me wrong…….I totally think we are a top 10 program, but I definitely understand why there is the perception around the country that there is about PSU.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
by ech2os on Apr 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
The fact of the matter is those wins over Ohio State aren’t viewed by those outside of Nittany Nation as much of a statement. They were big wins, but pundits will still say, “Well it was just Ohio State.”
The Nebraska win put PSU on the map after two down seasons, but lets face it. The Cornhuskers finished 7-7 in 2002 and everyone knew going into the season they were facing a rebuilding program after most of the team left after the Rose Bowl defeat to Miami the prior year. Had PSU played and beat Nebraska with Eric Crouch at QB, then we could talk.
Same thing goes for 2007 Notre Dame. It was already widely viewed that the Irish were rebuilding after Brady Quinn left after the 2006 season.
by catesinator on Apr 14, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your philosophy is based on OSU choking.......
The 05 and 08 OSU wins were both outstanding games. Let’s not forget that the 05 OSU game was PSU’s first BIG win in a good number of years and the 08 OSU was PSU’s first at Columbus. Both statement games in my opinion! PSU gets a bad rap because Tressel has layed an egg in his past 3 BCS games and thus the Big 10 is talked about as weak. Though to be completely honest OSU SHOULD have beaten Texas this year. Not up for debate, Buckeyes were the better team! Don’t forget in 05, the Big 10 was 2-0 in BCS games. When the conference as a whole stops laying eggs in those games, the weak perception of the Big 10 will change.
Continuing….
USC is a great team…..no doubt about it. However they did not beat us due to overwhelming superior talent. PSU’s defensive game plan and failure to adjust to Carroll’s second quarter adjustments lost us that game. In the past four years we are 3-1 in bowl games, beating Florida State, Tennessee and Texas Tech. Though USC was the better team the day they played us, I think a lot of people would agree that the game may have been a bit different if played in FL as opposed to USC’s backyard. The fact of the matter is, people have always loved to hate Penn State and tehy will continue to do so. We as fans have to accept that as a fact of life. Flashy is in and even with the spread HD, JoePa and the Lions aren’t flashy. We play old school, smash mouth, northeast football. We believe that defense wins championships. We apparantly believe (or at least Tom Bradley believes) that a cover 3 zone should be implemented at all costs. We WILL run the ball….even if it isn’t working. The majority of us our loyal to our leader and believe he should go out on his own terms. We love our team and are already counting down the days to opening day! We are already buying football gear and paraphanalia for the upcoming season. We will sit in the cold to watch MSU get pummeled as icicles form in our beer! We have the best fanbase in the world and we have no names on our jerseys. We Are…….Penn State!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Apr 14, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choking.........
05 – OSU goes on to get pummeled by Florida and we go 3 OTs with the number 22nd ranked team in the country with the entire country watching.
08 – OSU is playing a true freshman QB and we are lighting everybody up. We barely win and can’t move the ball.
I’m just saying that some objectivity is needed when evaluating our big wins over the last 10 years.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
by ech2os on Apr 14, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you need to use that objectivity on the other teams as well
like any Big 12 team: no real OOC games to speak of, and in conference they light each other up playing against bottom of the barrel defenses
in the SEC they have amazing “defenses” that play against anemic offenses. I’m all for being objective when evaluating PSU, but again, apply that objectivity outside as well
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2005 OSU team
beat ND in the Fiesta bowl, the 2006 team got pummeled by Florida. Actually, despite their offensive deficiencies, I thought that 2005 OSU team was the best of the last 4 years. They played even with and could’ve should’ve beaten the champs that year.
by Screen Name 20 on Apr 14, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think everything you say is true
except, when you look at everything, its probably not the lack of quality wins that have hurt this past decade . . . it’s the losses. We had the annual "cannot beat Michigan (especially when Lloyd “Gimme three more seconds” Carr is getting his homeboys in the striped uniforms to cater to his every whim)" stretch through these years. Tack on several Ohio State and Iowa losses. Hell, ‘99 featured the Minnesota\Michigan\Michigan State crash-and-burn season finale. And of course let’s not forget the “Dark Years”.
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by nitwit86 on Apr 14, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
05 Buckeyes
Come on Eric…..expected better from you. Buckeyes went to the Fiest Bowl in 05 and beat ND 34-20 and ended up being ranked 4th in the final poll. Sounds like a pretty solid win to me.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
by pic15 on Apr 14, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying......
it wasn’t solid. Perception changing ? I would say no.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
by ech2os on Apr 14, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but why not?
what does it realistically take to change perception, other than a statement game against a top-5 team that puts your team back on the radar.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying.......
based on conversations I have ad nauseum with fans from other conferences and watching nothing but college football from August till January each year that beating Ohio State in 2005 wasn’t a perception changer for all the usual PSU culprits………….195 yards of offense. 10 points scored by the offense (basically). Against the back drop of a season that had us scoring 37 a game.
I guess its somewhat subjective………but it is what it is.
I guess I’ll just say that look………PSU is a top 10 program no doubt about it. But there is now way we would be favored in any game right now against any of the “Big Boys”. We can complain about our scheduling perhaps hurting us, but I think if we made statements in games where we had an opportunity to do so, people will care much much less about the cupcakes.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
by ech2os on Apr 14, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OSU...
…beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl in 2005.
by stonewall435 on Apr 16, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Texas A&M...
not Tech. Beating Tech someone might have actually cared about. Also, even though we weren’t supposed to beat Tennessee, if you noticed, no one cares. Pretty much, if its not in a BCS bowl, it hardly matters.
In addition, I’m not entirely convinced it was all coaching. Granted our defensive game plan was horrible but there is a distinct possibility that none of our under 6’ db’s (who lets not kid ourselves weren’t lighting the world on fire) were going to cover the plethora of wide outs USC was rolling out. I honestly believe that USC was the best team in the country last year and would have handed it to Florida. I don’t know how we become USC (well aside from turning the other cheek to performance enhancing drugs and somehow putting State College in a warm place crawling with beautiful girls). But we will be on their level when we are the ones with 5 star RBs and QBs lining up 3 and 4 deep at our door instead of the ones berating the kids for choosing to go there. My god, they have a back-up qb starting in the NFL! I know I am probably going to get beat up for this but its just how I see it.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Apr 14, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I don't know how we become USC"
We don’t. Penn State will never be USC. Penn State will be Penn State. That is, a top 10 program that is consistently under appreciated by talking heads, and makes a big run every few years. That’s fine for me.
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 14, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying you are against beautiful girls?
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I meant ;)
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So thats a yes?
"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."
by bconway6 on Apr 14, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’d you say? I was distracted by bacon, for some reason.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 14, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bacon can be distracting for sure!
I kid you not, I typed that headline and THEN did a google image search for bacon and the first thing that comes up…

"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."
by bconway6 on Apr 14, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someday Ill get around to posting something football related or otherwise constructive.
"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."
by bconway6 on Apr 14, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why ruin a good thing?
"Never. We would never shoot nuclear weapons at Decepticons." -- Gen. Jack Jacobs
by Run Up The Score on Apr 14, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What were we talking about again?!?
by Screen Name 20 on Apr 15, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bacon
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done!!!
Plus that looks like much tastier bacon.
"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."
by bconway6 on Apr 16, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few inches more to the left would have been nice
as I see no evidence of there being pork product as with the bottom girl
by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 16, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think "become USC"
was a little strong. I meant a national contender year in and year out. Our “big runs” could not be less appreciated. Ask that Rutgers troll I’ve seen roaming around here, hell they get more play for a good season then we do. The talk of our big run wasn’t “how does PSU stack up against UF or Bama,” it was “PSU doesn’t belong in the conversation lets hope they lose” And unfortunatley we gave every pundit fuel for their argument by barely beating a mediocre FSU team in 2005 and getting throttled by USC last year (after which we should probably tone down our OSU is killing the Big 10 rhetoric don’t you think?).
I guess I just don’t feel like we are a top 10 program anymore, or at least the perception is that we certainly aren’t. When was the last time we started the year even ranked in the top 10? I’m thinking 1999? I know none of this should matter, but it does. It impacts recruiting and it impacts the games we can schedule. I guess I’m just frustrated and need to go mix myself another tall glass of kool-aid before B/W!
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Apr 15, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it isn't where you start the season ranked
it is where you finished.
And in the past 4 years we are one of the top 10 (9th best record overall, 7th best of BCS schools).
2005 we finished ranked 3rd.
2008 we finished ranked 8th
The dark years obviously dragged us down, for example:
1979-1999 we were the 4th best team in the country (record-wise)
1979-2004 we drop to the 10th best team in the country
Or coming from this back end
2005-2008 we are the 9th best (by record) team (7th best BCS)
2000-2008 we are the 34th best team in the country
And for 2000-2004 we were the 74th best team in the country (which obviously hurt).
We can’t just ignore the dark period, but we can recognize that we’ve moved on from it, and are back to being, on average, a top 10 team.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 15, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-season polls.........
tell you how people outside of the NE view the program. If they don’t think much of you to begin with, then once you lose after clawing your way into the top 10 you give them the ammo to say………told you so. If you are ranked in the top 10 pre-season, people seem to remember that.
I would argue that a team like PSU would benefit more from a higher pre-season ranking. Over the course of the season, we isn’t going to have as many sexy earth-shattering blow out wins over good teams like some of the other top programs might. Win big and fancy, climb up rapidly………win close and ugly…….climb up slow and steady.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
by ech2os on Apr 15, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I Honestly.......
did not mean to type “we isn’t”.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
by ech2os on Apr 15, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gradulations
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice... lol
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Apr 15, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that
but that wasn’t what I was trying to say. I was just saying that WE ARE at top 10 team, whether or not it feels like it or not (in response to what NittanyAlum had said)
It would also be nice if other Big 10 teams would start out ranked highly, so like what happened in the SEC & Big 12 last year could happen to us (so many teams ranked so highly, that even when they lose, it is generally to another team in their conference, so it just boosts that team up. We in turn beat a similar win/loss team, but they’re unranked at the time, so it does nothing to boost us)
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 20, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the cheating.
USC also has quite a few shady allegations floating around it, as well.
"Never. We would never shoot nuclear weapons at Decepticons." -- Gen. Jack Jacobs
by Run Up The Score on Apr 14, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would joke around by saying
I haven’t heard about it that statement in itself is almost true. Bobby and Co down in F$U have taken a lot more heat than U$C and the Mayo/Bush deal and I seem to think that those are every bit as big of deals. I live out here in SoCal and I have heard almost nothing about it and it seems to me like that should have been wrapped up a while ago but I guess the NCAA will take its shots when and where it wishes to, I guess.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Apr 15, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rutgers.
Yay.
I’ll try to contain my excitement.
by Joe 96alum on Apr 14, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rutgers > MAC schools
The linked rumors are for 2012-2013.
We already have opponents from major BCS conferences locked up through 2015.
Since our current scheduling format is BCS (home-and-away) + Temple (2/1 to guarantee an eighth home game every three years) + another MAC home game + IAA home game, this seems to be an improvement.
If this does happen, this means that they’re giving up the eighth home game… for now.
by Aaron PSU on Apr 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then don’t post crap in another thread about how we would all like to see Pitt instead of Coastal Carolina. Rutgers would be an improvement.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 14, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Scheduling
Is pretty much the same as most other major 1-A team including Ohio State. One big game and three cupcakes. Unfortunately our schedule turned out pretty bad this year, but we definitely are getting trashed by the “experts” more than other teams in the same situation and even teams that intentionally schedule poorly. Texas Tech has not scheduled a non conference game against a BCS conference team since 2002 and usually schedules 2 1-AA teams. I have yet to see an article trashing their scheduling.
by Brett Brown on Apr 14, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The treatment Texas Tech gets has always irked me a little bit.
2009 TTU schedule:
North Dakota
Rice
At Houston
New Mexico
But they play in the Big 12 South, and play “sexy” so they can get away with it. And then they get smashed in their bowl game.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah- I’m pretty sure TT has started every season for the last 10 years at least 4-0. It’s not a bad strategy for them- go undefeated against cupcakes, then you just need to get lucky against Texas or OU and suddenly you’re in a national title discussion. It’s a way to get a school that was never on the map on the map (and is more effective than black turf, at least).
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not defending TT but a little context – if your Mormon HC is the top weirdo in college football and your team routinely scores half a hundred, you’ll get 15 minutes. Last fall was TTs shot and they’ll never get it again. Leach has worn out his welcome with the administration and most big time schools will shy away once they put him in front of the money guys. So, I agree with your point about TT schedule, but they are irrelevant to the larger issue.
PSU, tOSU and Mich are the present football powers in Big XI. Big XII has Texas, OU and they need Nebraska to get good; SEC is FL, AL and LSU. USC has no other conference team and their OOC schedule has to reflect that. Mich can’t lose to Div IAA teams and Toledo. tOSU BCS game flameouts and 1-6 in bowls last season is killing the conference, and the BCS championship matchup rests in the hands of voters, no matter how the computers work. This is going to take more than next season to correct and the real perceptual issues are outside PSUs control regardless of who you play OOC.
by txhawkeye on Apr 14, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree with you at all- I think TT and PSU are in totally different situations. Which is why we hear it about a creampuff schedule, and they don’t.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 14, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks, but for the Mark Mays scheduling is the easy-out excuse. The only real alternative is to go undefeated. The tv and print guys will all bitch and moan but then they can’t keep you out of the championship game.
by txhawkeye on Apr 15, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Utah, Boise State, and Hawaii
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 15, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, but won’t ever happen to a team from the power football conferences.
by txhawkeye on Apr 15, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
Yes, Utah turned out to be better than anyone thought, but I truly and honestly think that Bama was extremely overrated, especially after they somehow jumped to #1 by beating UG (not to mention also beating the somehow pre-season #9 ranked Clemson Tigers, who also, with the help of a Bowden turned out to suck just as bad as the rest of the ACC), who turned out to be an embarrassment to the OMG ESSSS EEEEE CEEEE. They barely beat a horrible LSU team (I can’t remember but wasn’t that an OT win?) and then they got absolutely spanked by the TEBOW SMASH in their championship game. They got lucky with an moderately difficult schedule, and far far far to much credit for their accomplishments.
So now that I’ve ranted, props to Utah this year, but keep it in context with who they were playing even if it was Jesus H. Christ’s athletic conference of divine choice.
by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 16, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Bama did have go to OT against LSU (Who would have won if their quarterback hadn’t been so awful. At the end of first half, LSU couldn’t get a field goal because Miles was terrified to let the guy throw the ball.)
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 16, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conference perception goes a long way...
…to the point where you actually have SEC coaches telling the media (in so many word) our in-conf schedule is so difficult we can’t be expected to go out and play other BCS teams.
This is why someone other than OSU needs to start playing decent, consistent, football. And we need a good spin doctor in the marketing department.
Black Shoe Diaries
I BLAME IOWA.
by Kevin HD on Apr 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An eighth game
seems unrealistic, if they seriously try to schedule an eighth home game I don’t see any way to do it without ending up with complete garbage on the schedule because the number of teams willing to do unbalanced home and away series has to be limited.
Somehow this all used to work with six home games and a 93,000 seat stadium.
by Joe 96alum on Apr 14, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how anyone on here
can actually defend this crappy schedule. If PSU wants to consider itself an elite team then it needs to give a little and play on the road in the OOC. All this talk about schedules being made far in advance in garbage. If they would go on the road then could’ve found opponents at the last minute. (Oregon St was picked up less than a year before the game was played BTW.) The bottom line is that it is more important for PSU and other teams in the Big 10 to get an 8th home game then to be a realistic part of the national championship picture. I love PSU but when you play that type of schedule, you get what you deserve. The only way things are going to change is it people stop buying tickets and going to these crappy games.
by mundyscorner99 on Apr 14, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and when I say play on the road
I don’t mean at Syracuse.
by mundyscorner99 on Apr 14, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't ignore the financial impact
Penn State has a budget they have to meet. We can scoff at the need to play seven or eight home games, but the fact is if we’re only playing five or six home games while everyone else plays seven or eight we’ll soon fall behind in the spending war.
Penn State has to play at least seven home games. To ignore that fact denies the reality of the situation.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When is it enough though?
When they created the 12th game, I was hoping that this would give teams an opportunity to schedule good teams (or if not GOOD teams then maybe a scrub team like Pitt to renew the fledgling rivalry) but it hasn’t worked though. PSU was getting by in the 11 game format with 7 home games…now it is 8. I’m fine with 8 this year if we schedule 6 next year to keep the average at 7 (if that makes sense). I totally understand the financial impact of it but when I see something that says that if they don’t have an 8th game the school/team is going to have to file for bankruptcy then I’ll change my opinion
by mundyscorner99 on Apr 14, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they keep the average at 7.5
so 7 home games alternating with 8 home games
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disagreeing with you
But where are you getting the 7.5 home games #? How do other schools manage not playing that many?
by mundyscorner99 on Apr 14, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
other schools manage by either supplementing income with basketball revenue, or not funding as many other varsity sports.
Also, most of the other “big” schools also play this many home games.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is defending this OOC schedule
what we are defending is the scheduling practices. We realize the constraints that the athletic department has on itself (requiring 7.5 home games a year, on average). We also realize that for the most part this strategy works out. It bit us in the ass this year, though, but it isn’t like this is a yearly occurrance. Heck, the 2008 OOC schedule wasn’t even that bad. It is only bad if you listen to the media say how bad it is that we “only” played Coastal Carolina, Temple, and Syracuse. But we didn’t only play those teams. We also played Oregon State, a team that was 1 win away from winning the Pac-10.
When compared to other top teams, our schedule historically isn’t really any different. We have our up years, and we have our bad years. 2009 is a bad year, and nothing we can do about it. I guess you can go and complain to the AD to schedule “tougher” teams, but they’ve already done it, and they did it before anyone even whispered that PSU played a cupcake filled schedule.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the media be the media.
True PSU fans know what is going on and know the following things which have already been said in this thread.
1- Our OOC is almost NEVER this bad, we got caught in a bad place this year, we typically have either a great BCS team or two mid BCS/good MAC games. Does no one remember the kickoff classics, or Miami or Nebraska, or ND?
2- We are NOT the only team in America with a crappy schedule. Traditionally we are above average in that area(obvi. excluding 09). I love the TT shcedule. Last year they played 2 1AA teams and were ahead of us, hmmmm biased much?
3- I’m not one to always play the “we get no respect” card, but for a traditional power, PSU doesn’t(at least as much as they should). Think about it, Joe has been stiffed 4 times with his undefeated teams, we only have 1 heisman and recently have been getting undersold due to OSU’s weakness(UT would never get shafted due to OU’s struggles) That is at least about 80% a result of the media.
Everyone stop freaking out about this. Yeah it will be a bear to deal with, but I just feel like everyone is forgetting that we have quality teams set for the next few years and we have had them in the past, this is a blip on the radar.
We DESERVE the bashing we will recieve for this schedule, but only to a point. People are acting like this single year’s OOCdemolishes what we have accomplished in all of our history and will do in the future, as if this one year will render us a 1aa team. Get a grip, shit happens it will get better, play the games and win its all we can ask of our kids.
I dont give a shit what some idiot at ESPN says, I know Penn State and we will persevere.
Black Shoes.
Basic Blues.
No Name.
All Game.
by Roland86 on Apr 14, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, "Dan" may be naive
but how many ESPN analysts and BCS voters share his view? It’s disturbing.
by Mr. Rosewater on Apr 14, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5 year non conference opponents
2009 – None
2008 – (1) at Syracuse
2007 – (1) at Temple
2006 – (1) at Notre Dame
2005 – None
3 total OOC road games in five years, none against a decent team. This has been going on for a while.
by mundyscorner99 on Apr 14, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
We play Syracuse in 2009. And as I mentioned in the post, we were supposed to play Alabama in 2005 before they backed out and we couldn’t fill the slot.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind the Syracuse part
Didn’t see you were only mentioning road games.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
road games
And 2010 we play at Alabama and 2012 at Virginia and 2013 (apparently) at Rutgers. With a game at Temple tossed in 2011. So, even if you want to complain that it’s been a problem, it’s changing in the future.
by Laaaaazzz on Apr 14, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE how @ND isn't considered a "decent team"
I sincerely hope you were ripping on ND here, because it made me laugh. ND SUX!
If you just overlooked that, oh well. At least I chuckled.
by Tailgate Shogun on Apr 14, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rivals article on college football scheduling, and how we stand compared to other schools
by Mr. Rosewater on Apr 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure if you linked the right article
since I didn’t see anything that made it seem like PSU was “weak weak weak”er than any other team in their scheduling. It basically made it seem like every BCS school was playing weaker competition, with the exception of UConn, Georgia, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse, while Ole Miss, Texas, Texas Tech, and Wisconsin seemed to be even worse than normal.
The only thing that went “against” Penn State was that we were one of 7 teams with 8 home games (something that alternates every year, and other schools do it as well).
I’m not saying our schedule isn’t weak, I just didn’t get that sense from the article you linked.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weak, weak, weak
meaning everyone is weak. It made sense when I typed it out, but I see how you read it.
by Mr. Rosewater on Apr 14, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That article gave me a headache!
Tried to really follow it but had a bit of trouble.
One thing to keep in mind is that all these FCS and sub Big 6 conference schools have “hot shot(?)” Athletic Directors (and backers) who are trying to make a name for themselves or are trying to position their schools for a potential move “up” the food chain. So, they work all the angles to get a “big name” on the schedule and especially to get them to come to their house. I’m sure those MAC AD’s that get a Big 10 (or even a Big East) team as a home game got a big bonus. Hopefully we will never, never see Penn State on a MAC’s home schedule!!
by PaJoe on Apr 15, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too late
2007: Penn State at Temple
Oh well.
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that game at the Linc?
"You are a tenacious little monkey!"
by rahpsu92 on Apr 15, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they still have Franklin Field or
does Temple play their home games at the Linc?
I’m calling for the Neutral Site exception.
"You are a tenacious little monkey!"
by rahpsu92 on Apr 15, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They play at the Linc
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't have eight home games
Seven and one in Philly is the next best thing.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Apr 15, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin Field
Frankling Field is Penn’s football stadium and is on their campus. Temple’s home stadium is the Linc as it has been since that stadium was built (and Temple used the Vet as their home stadium prior to that).
by Laaaaazzz on Apr 15, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin field
Temple used to occasionally play home games at Franklin Field when they’d get bumped from the Vet by the Phillies. I think it was usually only like one game a season.
by Brett Brown on Apr 15, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember seeing a PSU/Temple
game at Franklin Field – that’s what must have happened.
"You are a tenacious little monkey!"
by rahpsu92 on Apr 15, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We played Temple at Franklin Field in 1994. I was there too.
by Laaaaazzz on Apr 15, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOPS!
Forgot Temple was in the MAC. I was more thinking of a roadie to Kent State or Ball State. (My graduate school alma mater, along with David Letterman). Actually, Temple will be more like an away-home game. Thanks for setting me straight!
by PaJoe on Apr 15, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed something for ya
One thing to keep in mind is that all these FCS and sub Big 6 conference schools have "hot shot(?)" Athletic Directors (and backers) who are trying to make a name for themselves or are trying to position their schools themselves for a potential move "up" the food chain
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 15, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Schedule is Undefendable
Last year and this year Penn State fans just have to take it on the chin. You can not defend the schedule.
You can not lash out and say Penn State scheduled Syracuse back in 03 and then discuss how Alabama moved the games from 04-05. Uh, why the hell didn’t Penn State move the Syracuse games when it was obvious in 06/07 that Syracuse would suck in 08/09? Penn State should have done the same thing that Alabama did.
If you bring up Oregon State (a good addition to the schedule) get ready for the instant comeback of it wasn’t a home and home. Penn State chickened out again by ensuring they would not have to travel to Oregon, keeping with the soft schedule theme.
This is one of those times where you have to say this is a beating we deserve. You have to take your lumps for the next year (and last year) then say we fixed the problem going forward from 10.
by DrDetroit on Apr 14, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
again, I don't think anyone here is defending the schedules
just the scheduling practices, and yes, we’re gonna have to take 2009 on the chin, but 2008 turned into a pretty average schedule.
As for Oregon State, I doubt we “chickened out” by not agreeing to go to Oregon St to play. They just stuck with their bottom line. I’m sure if OrSt (or ESPN) were willing to supplement the game with a paycheck equivalent to what we’d get for a home game, we’d gladly go. Not saying it is the best way to make a competitive schedule, or that I agree with what they do, but I do understand why they do it.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 14, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
We all know that PSU football pays the bills for the rest of the athletic department. If the University absolutely HAS to schedule 8 home games every year, fine. Do it. Just be intellectually honest about it, and realize that unless the Big Ten has one of those seasons where four teams are ranked in the top 15 (like the Big 12 this past season), Penn State isn’t going to the national championship game with one loss. Accept it. And with the advent of the Big Ten Network and the obvious problem that ABC/ESPN has with it, don’t expect any media bandwagon to elevate the conference in the minds of the voters and the general public.
Furthermore, if the conference stays as the crappy level it’s been lately — and there’s no obvious signs of improvement in Ann Arbor, West Lafayette, or Madison that I can see — accept the possibility that a 12-0 Penn State team might not get to the BCS Championship game. And you know what? We wouldn’t deserve it, in all likelihood.
In reality, that’s the only scenario in which our strength of schedule really matters — the BCS title game. And what are the chances of PSU getting to the title game, anyway? Not great, strictly from a probability perspective. So in their view, why not go ahead and schedule that extra cupcake to make a few million dollars?
"Never. We would never shoot nuclear weapons at Decepticons." -- Gen. Jack Jacobs
by Run Up The Score on Apr 14, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Big Ten Has Been Moving Up
I believe the Big Ten bottomed out in 2005. They have been on the upswing since then.
2005 was the end of the Iowa run and was Zook’s first year at Illinois. Iowa has never recovered and probably never will, but Illinois is better now than before Zook. Zook’s master recruiting will get Illinois to win games with talent alone (Penn State at Illinois in 2007, Illinois at Ohio State 2007).
2007 brought Dantonio and a calendar to Michigan State (hey look everyone, there is something after September!). His recruiting the last three years should be enough to make Sparty a powerhouse.
Wisconsin was always an up and down program. They have never been a team that would contend for a Big Ten title every year.
Michigan is going to get a lot better. It appears they now have a QB that can throw the ball 5 yards downfield. That alone should double their passing yardage from last year and probably their win total as well (Hello Motor City Bowl!). And I think this will be the year where Michigan gets the best of the 3 cupcakes they scheduled. They 4th game being either Notre Dame or Western Michigan depending on your point of view.
I think the 5 teams that will show how good the Big Ten is are Illinois, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. Illinois and Michigan drove the Big Ten down last year. I think they’ll do a lot to lift it up this year.
by DrDetroit on Apr 14, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
on the B10 bottoming out in 2005. Because I consider the the Big Ten high water mark to be November of 2006. That’s when Ohio State and Michigan were ranked #1 and #2 and met at the end of the year. Ohio State won and everyone thought they were going to destroy Florida.
But they didn’t. And Michigan got destroyed by USC. And in just over a month the Big Ten had gone from the greatest conference on Earth to a national punch line. The following year Michigan loses to Appalachian State, Wisconsin falls off the face of the earth after a preseason top ten ranking, Penn State gets dismantled by Notre Dame, Illinois looks horrible in the Rose Bowl, and Ohio State sneaks their way into another championship game where LSU destroys them. I think 2007 was the low water mark for the conference.
But I agree we’re on the upswing now. Obviously Penn State is back to being a national power. Dantonio has Michigan State going places. Ferentz seems to be restoring Iowa, but the jury is still out on that one. His recruiting class was terrible last year. Zook has Illinois respectable. RichRod has to turn Michigan around, but odds of them remaining this crappy for long are slim. Ohio State looked respectable against Texas in the Fiesta Bowl. We’re getting there.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 14, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2005 and 2006 were basically the same.
In 2005 it was Ohio State and Penn State and no one else.
In 2006 Michigan and Ohio State were really good that year. But where was the rest of the conference? Wisconsin beat up a weak Big10 to finish 12-1. Illinois was going 2-10 and Michigan State was firing John L Smith. Iowa went 6-6 and lost in the Alamo Bowl. Purdue was 8-5, a basically normal year for Tiller. He never won 10 games at Purdue. They pretty much plodded along with 7 to 9 wins every year.
I see why you think 07 was the worst, but it was far from it in my opinion. Michigan losing to App State and then getting blown out by Oregon put a massive damper on the conference. Then Michigan went on to almost win the conference and did beat Florida in the Capitol One Bowl. The Rose Bowl reached for Illinois to ensure the Pac10-Big10 Matchup, which of course hurt the conference, but was still an uptick for the conference overall because of Illinois’ improvement. They won 9 games that year after only winning 4 the previous 2. Michigan State went to a bowl game for the first time since 2003. And OSU went to another BCS Championship.
My perspective is also based on the teams in the Big10 now being MSU, OSU, UM, PSU and Illinois. Since all of those teams did better in 2007, that is why I think of 2005 as the worst year.
And as far as Kirk Ferentz and his recruiting, its a huge fake. I really wish the recruiting rankings would be updated yearly. A significant amount of Iowa recruits leave the program. So his previous good classes are not that good. It would be like the media touting Penn State’s 2006 recruiting class because of the 4 Star standouts Devlin and Taylor.
RichRod is going to turn Michigan around. It looks like this year he won’t be starting a walk on at QB who never had any intention of ever playing, much less starting at Michigan. If the new QB can throw the ball 5 yards downfield with any accuracy Michigan will win more than 3 games this year. And I’m not kidding about the 5 yards part. There was a reason the entire Michigan offense revolved around bubble screens and read option runs. The QBs were terrible. How Sheridan threw for 200 yards against Minnesota still boggles my mind. Oh, and the fact that the QB will have a sub 5 second 40 time will also help.
by DrDetroit on Apr 15, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You will never get me to believe
that they HAVE to schedule 8 home games. If that’s the case a serious examination of where that revenue is being spent is in order.
by Joe 96alum on Apr 14, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Have to" is a strong phrase.
But there are 27 varsity sports at PSU, all of them minus basketball with their hand out to the football team to pay the bills. Plus – all of the support that goes into varsity sports. Training table meals, academic support, etc.
http://www.gopsusports.com/default/psu-default.html
by Tailgate Shogun on Apr 14, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing with Syracuse is
Joe HATES Syracuse. I mean, this is beef going back 20 years, but Joe hate’s Syracuse with the passion of a 1,000 suns. To us it’s some cupcake. To Joe it’s sweet sweet vengence against an opponent he’s dreamed about crushing for 20 years.
Last year, when Joe ran the 2-minute drill at the end of the half when we were winning by like 30 points, he was frothing on the sidelines and even the announcers took note. When it was 4th and long at the end of the game and we’re winning by a million, Joe decided to throw it up for a TD — that is HATE.
So say what you want about Syracuse sucking, sometimes games like that mean something more than a computer generated algorithm. If it were Pitt I doubt people would complain as much — and to Joe this series may mean even more.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Apr 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not about the OOC Schedule
All this bitching about the OOC schedule would be irrelevant if the Big 10 wasn’t viewed in such a negative light. Nobody is bitching about Texas playing UTEP (5-7), Louisiana-Monroe (4-8), Wyoming (4-8), and UCF (4-8) because they play in the Big 12. And mark my words if Texas has 1 loss and PSU is undefeated pundits will still say Texas should be ranked ahead of the Lions because of PSUs weak schedule.
The best thing that can happen this year for Penn State is Ohio State beating USC. Almost all the other teams in the Big 10 play weak OOC games so all the other teams in the conference really stand a good chance at padding their records going into conference play. I’m sure the pundits will note that in their criticisms, but a win by the conference over USC would be huge.
by catesinator on Apr 14, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop! Only PSU schedules crappy teams....
Seriously, thank you for bringing Texas’ schedule up. They play some DOGS, but because they play OU (sexy!) and Texas Tech (sexy!) plus a shot at the Big12 championship game against someone not great (not sexy), no one would DARE say they play a crappy schedule.
by Tailgate Shogun on Apr 14, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND all the tv guys love going to Austin for the girls and to fellate Mack Brown.
by txhawkeye on Apr 15, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OSU's 2009 Schedule
Yeah, Ohio State scheduled USC for this year. They’ve also got Navy, Toledo (3-9 in ’08) and New Mexico State (also 3-9).
by nittnut on Apr 14, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Curious...
What would be a good estimate of how much PSU pulls in for just one football game? Counting tickets (plus donations), concessions, parking, etc. It just seems like they pull in so much $$$ already, plus their coaches are not the highest paid in the country by any means, and its not like the pros where you pay the players, so their net income has to be huge for each game. Has that ever been figured out before by anyone?
Plus PSU gets millions from the B10 bowl sharing agreement (regardless if they even make a bowl game. Based on this, I feel that they could make the sacrifice a little more and play a couple of quality non conference teams each year on the road instead of 1 good/decent game and 3 terrible ones (when did that become acceptable?) I just find it hard to believe that they are just “getting by”.
by mundyscorner99 on Apr 14, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure that Nebraska series isn't going to happen
I don’t know if that’s been mentioned yet. I didn’t read all the posts.
by speedomike on Apr 14, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
?
I haven’t head anything about that? Do you know something?
by Brett Brown on Apr 14, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nebraska
There’s never been any official announcement of such a deal and the rumors about it (I think primarily JoePa talking off the cuff in the press conference about playing them) were almost 2 years ago. Furthermore, Nebraska has an away OOC game each year from 2010-2015 already which involves the time period we supposedly were talking to them about (2014-2015). The likelihood is that when they scheduled Miami (FL) in 2014-15, it was in lieu of playing us.
I don’t hold much hope that there’s any particular plans for PSU to play Nebraska in the future. Still, that’s not a big deal — 2014 is far enough away that we should be able to find another top notch opponent if we tried aggressively (which I hope we are doing). We have no OOC games scheduled after 2013 at this point.
by Laaaaazzz on Apr 14, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This discussion has been going on for 35 fucking years.
In 1973, Sports Illustrated ran an article about us, and while I don’t remember the exact quote, the quote is pretty much like this:
“Texas dines on the Rices and Baylors of the world, and it matters not. Notre Dame feasts on the likes of Navy and Pitt, and nobody says a thing. But let Penn State play Ohio University and the alarms go off.” This quote can be found in the recap of the 1973 season in The Penn State Football Encyclopedia.
This double standard with us has existed since the 60’s. How in the hell is Texas #1 compared to a team that has Mike Reid, Jack Ham, and Franco Harris (the latter two being stalwarts on the 70’s Steelers dynasty)? How is Nebraska #1 in 1994 against a team that has 3 skill position players taken in the first nine picks of the NFL draft? It’s all a bunch of horseshit. Until there’s a legitimate playoff, all of this is a fucking joke. So, what are you gonna do?
by Ab4PSU on Apr 15, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As I said above
I feel like PSU is Rodney Dangerfield, a legendary figure yes, but just doesn’t get any (i.e. the proper) damned respect
Black Shoes.
Basic Blues.
No Name.
All Game.
by Roland86 on Apr 15, 2009 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MNC
You’re absolutely right. The way the system is right now it is all a fucking joke. Last season especially left me dissillusioned with college football and their process of picking a champion. IMO the only thing that really matters anymore is just winning the Big 10 conference because that’s the only thing within our control. The bowl games are all glorified exhibitions, even the MNC. They really mean nothing. Just think, the NCAA is desperately avoiding a college football playoff because they think the general public wants to watch Oregon State beat Pitt 3-0 in late December.
by catesinator on Apr 15, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps not the general public
but I sure enjoyed watching that ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 15, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, actually watching it was painful
However, the end result was pretty awesome.
by Tailgate Shogun on Apr 15, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
College football doesn’t have a method of picking a champion. At all. They don’t even claim to have one. I seriously doubt they care: a smart person in the NCAA would say “with the scheduling constraints that Division IA football has, the concept of a championship is ludicrous at best.”
“Just think, the NCAA is desperately avoiding a college football playoff "
A playoff will not fix things. It won’t. Last season, what complaints did you hear? Who should be in the national championship game. Have a playoff, and those complaints will turn into who should be in the playoffs. You’d actually hear more complaining, rather than less.
To answer the grandparent’s question:
Until there’s a legitimate playoff, all of this is a fucking joke. So, what are you gonna do?
Enjoy the games. That’s all we can do. College football is not a sport. It never has been. Just enjoy the games. Ignore the accolades – just enjoy the games.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Apr 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think I'm a grandparent?
While at 41 years of age it would be possible, trust me, I’m no grandparent. Is it because I can remember reading about games and seasons from long ago? I bleed blue and white, and that’s how I know these things. Trust me, I’m not that old (even though lately I feel like it). But I’ll find the fountain of youth in the red parking lot at Beaver Stadium in the fall.
by Ab4PSU on Apr 15, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah.
A playoff will not fix things. It won’t. Last season, what complaints did you hear? Who should be in the national championship game. Have a playoff, and those complaints will turn into who should be in the playoffs. You’d actually hear more complaining, rather than less.
Huh? Going through the BCS era, here’s the count of teams that really ought to be in a fair playoff by any measure (my criteria being any undefeated team, and any BCS conference team with the same number of lossses or less than the BCS title game participants). Disclaimer: I looked at the final regular season AP polls to get my count; if teams that met my criteria were outside the AP top 25 at the end of the regular season, they didn’t get counted.
1998 – 8 teams
1999 – 5 teams
2000 – 6 teams
2001 – 5 teams
2002 – 2 teams
2003 – 3 teams
2004 – 5 teams
2005 – 2 teams
2006 – 6 teams
2007 – 11 teams*
2008 – 9 teams
- BCS title game featured a 2-loss team
In eight out of ten seasons, all the teams that definitely should have had a title shot would make an 8-team playoff without autobids; in every season, all the teams that defintiely should get a title shot by my critieria would have made a sixteen team playoff even with autobids for all 11 conference champs.
If a playoff includes everybody that agrees has to be there, it’s arguing on the margins for everyone else, like arguing that your team should have made the NCAA tournament; if you’re arguing over whether you should be in, then in most years you’re not a team that’s going to win the title.
by drothgery on Apr 15, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a similar assessment a while back
and agree with what you say, but I just wanted to point out this (to go along with BBnW’s argument): most of those years the teams would fall nicely into an 8 team playoff, but you’d still usually need to include other teams with still yet worse records, and then every other team with that same record (and the number grows significantly with each added loss) would be complaining that they deserved to be in the playoff just as much.
But as you alluded to, you get to a point where the teams arguing just that they should be in the playoff are extremely unlikely to win it all, and so people stop really caring. It is like in the NCAA basketball tournament this year, yeah, Penn State got “snubbed”, but outside of State College I doubt there were anyone that really even noticed or cared.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 20, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet finish
dude, loved the endline. I’d been going without a sig line for awhile, waiting for something decent to come along. So I’m borrowing this, and citing you.
p.s., I’m not really a stalker
Ignore the accolades – just enjoy the games. -bb&w
by jtothep on Apr 16, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miami
On one of the sportscenter updates here in State College, they said we’re in talks with Miami for a future home and home
by speedomike on Apr 15, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line: We shouldn't give a flying f.
I don’t care about what talking heads think/say. Therefore, I do not care who the media picks for their polls and who the almighty BCS spits out. All that I care about and all that I can ask of the kids who play for Penn State is to go out and attempt to win every game. Thats all, regardless of who we play, the only thing these kids can do is try to win every game. If they lose some, whatever so long as they try hard and show sportsmanship.
If we end up in the good graces of ESPN or get put into a MNC game, fine, I’ll still support the guys the same, if not who gives a flying crap. Why are so many people hell bent on being USC, or being considered by Mark May to be a top-flight program?
Regardless of our current media standing, or who is top dog in the NCAA, I would trade NOTHING to have our program be any different. I am sure as hell not disappointed in the guys or JoePa, they go out and win thats all. The day we sell our souls to become NCAAF elite is the day I stop following PSU, until then, remain proud in your program and don’t be so worried about anything else because it doesn’t matter, at all. It’s like a god damned high school popularity contest, none of it will matter in 5, 10, 20, 50 more years, its a cyclical and most of it is bullshit.
Black Shoes.
Basic Blues.
No Name.
All Game.
by Roland86 on Apr 15, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

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