We're All Growns Up, And Making Bryce Paup References
I've always found the draft a bit of an odd thing. On one hand fans typically like to see their players to get drafted early and take pride in how many players were taken by teams in The League. But then again, fans dread and seethe scorn when a player jumps for the cash, and also can't feel good about so many talented players not being around for the next college football season.
Anyway, five Penn State players were taken in the seven round draft, second most in the conference to Ohio State, and another nine guys were signed as of the time of this post.
Aaron Maybin - Pick 11, Round 1 (11) - Bills
Project Mayhem, who came out of nowhere in 2008, did The Pass Rush Factory well on Saturday, confirming the jump was indeed a pretty good move.
There were early rumors that Maybin could go as high as five with the Browns looking at so many holes, but most of the recent projections had him in the 10-12 range. The 'experts' can score this one as correct, and Buffalo Rumblings is pleased:
On paper, Buffalo has its most explosive pass rusher since Bryce Paup...What makes this pick better is the fact that they took the right player. No DE displayed a quicker first step in college or at the Combine than Maybin. I had him rated as the top DE on the board the moment he declared for the draft, and the Bills clearly followed suit, if only at the most critical juncture. I think he's the best pass rusher in the draft. The Bills, too, think he's the best pass rusher in the draft, and his upside is tremendous.
Derrick Williams - Pick 18, Round 3 (82) - Lions
No one deserves a little draft luck like Williams, the former #1 rated recruit in the land was taken in the third round and, for the second time in his career, will be tasked with helping to rebuild a program in distraught.
The Pride of Detroit gives the pick a D+, which is, well not even a real grade if I remember right. Regardless, they didn't like the pick, although I think that had a lot to do with Williams not really filling one of their copious amounts of needs like some of the other players who were still on the board.
The Lions have a history of dismissing important needs and picking wide receivers, and as bad as a D+ is, I have to give him credit for his optimism. If I was cursed with being a Lions fan for the past several years, every decision that organization made would get an F- by default until something dramatic happens. I would probably just be that bitter.
The Free Press has a couple of quotes about the pick:
Kiper's response:
"He came into Penn State and he was supposed to wow everybody. He didn't initially, but came on. ... He doesn't have the great 40 time, but he's quick out of his burst, out of his cuts. He has that burst you look for and has the ability to score in a lot of ways -- in the return game, on reverses, catching the football. He's very good after the catch in the open field."
You hear things like this all the time and I gave up a long time ago trying to argue about it. Williams was no Reggie Bush or Tim Tebow, but he was important, in a way that the occasional observer wouldn't recognize. I don't blame anyone for this, I completely understand how his stats can be seen as underwhelming, but let's drop the whole "never lived up to the hype" thing, because to be frank it's a stupid comment.
Mayock's response:
"II thought he had an excellent Senior Bowl, but he followed it up with a poor Combine, running a 4.67 -- very slow for an elite receiver. Great Senior Bowl, but too many drops in his career. ... I watched him catch punts one day (at the Senior Bowl) and this is supposed to be an elite punt returner and that day if the football had been a harpoon, he'd have been dead. It'd have pierced his chest."
He was reportedly pretty sick the week of the combine and told by his agent to sit the thing out. He worked out anyway, which was indeed a bad decision, but as we've talked about before here at BSD looked great in the Senior Bowl.
And I have no idea where he's going with that harpoon analogy.
Deon Butler - Pick 27, Round 3 (91) - Seahawks
About four picks before Butler was drafted by Seattle, a commenter who shall remain nameless set the over/under at pick 114 in the open thread, a fourth round choice. I too was a bit surprised to see him go so early, but his blazing 40 at the combine apparently helped the draft stock of one of the most under-the-radar receivers in the nation last year.
Seattle loves them some record setting Penn State receivers, of course, and so we all saw this coming:
"He has some of the same traits as far as route-running goes," Seahawks offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said when asked to compare Butler to his fellow PSU alumnus. "He's not as polished, obviously, as Bobby is."
Rich Ohrnberger - Pick 23, Round 4 (123) - Patriots
Ohrnberger was probably the biggest surprise from a Penn State perspective, who many thought wouldn't go until after Shipley and Cadogan. Not true, of course. Ohrnberger will be buried on the depth chart this season, but was part of an effort to hedge against an aging line:
Ohrnberger, a player who took a pre-draft visit to Gillette Stadium, adds youth to the interior of the offensive line and provides a fallback, longer-term option with starting guards Logan Mankins (left) and Stephen Neal (right) entering the final year of their contracts.
PatsBlog likes the pick, even if it did cost them a well respected cornerback in Ellis Hobbs:
Ohrnberger is a guy I actually like. Although he is undersized, he plays with a good motor, is quick out of his stance, and is good in pass protection and pulling. Solid pick who could eventually take over for Stephen Neal at right guard.
A.Q. Shipley - Pick 17, Round 7 (226) - Steelers
There was a time when I though A.Q. might not get drafted, and at that time I was thinking it would be the most bewildering event (or non-event?) of the weekend.
He is undersized, and probably slid because of it, but once picked I found it hard to feel bad for a guy who gets to play for his hometown team. The Steelers earned overall "grades" as low as an F and as high as an A+, further lending credibility to the practice of grading drafts.
Naturally the local papers loved it. Not everyone was sold, though:
Can't say I'm too big a fan of Big 10 football so I can't comment on whether or not Shipley is so adored for his local product status, his ability on the field, or some combination of the two. Probably headed for the practice squad as well, but there's an interesting discussion to be had about the future of our offensive line - especially for those who have an opinion one way or another as to whether or not Shipley legitimately could be a better than average starting center....
I'm not sure if he's upset the Steelers picked a kid from the Big Ten or if he simply doesn't know much about A.Q. It's not like the Big Ten hasn't produced some decent linemen in the last five years. Besides, as far as risk and reward go, there's nothing wrong with picking the conference's best center in the seventh round and hoping it works out.
Quickly: Signed but undrafted...
It's easy to pile on Maurice Evans at this point; he goes undrafted but signs with the Giants. As disappointed as I am in his 2008 production and decision to leave, I can unconditionally say I wish him all the best.
Jordan Norwood will join the Browns, and Facebook Stalking H/T to NittanyWhiteOut, who was all over this one.
Gerald Cadogan was a major surprise as an undrafed free agent. He'll go to Carolina.
Lydell Sargeant will move north to help build Penn State another satellite campus in Buffalo. Front page promotion for the best photoshop of this one in the comments.
Tyrell Sales signs with the Colts.
Josh Gaines stays in-state with the Eagles.
Dan Lawlor signs with the Redskins.
Mark Rubin signed with the Rams.
Anthony Scirrotto signs with the Panthers.
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More on the undrafteds
from you guys in the fanshot.
Feel free to update if any new stuff comes to light, man.
by Kevin HD on Apr 28, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted about the Shippley thing over on Behind the Steel Curtain
those guys over there can be a bit harsh on PSU folks. But I really don’t understand all the hate for AQ. 7th round for a Rimmington winner is a great deal. They keep knocking his size and comparing him to Sean Mahan, but what they don’t realize is the heart, smarts, and nasty streak that AQ possesses. This is a large part of the reason I don’t get into pro football anymore. It is a meat market.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Apr 28, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he went in the 3rd or something
I can understand a backlash, but like you said a 7th round pick is essentially a zero risk proposition. On top of that you are getting a kid who loves the organization and by every account has a great attitude.
Until someone explains it in a way that makes sense I’m blaming this on Pitt fans. It’s just that stupid of a reaction.
by Kevin HD on Apr 28, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there is absolutely no reason not be pleased with AQ as a 7th rounder.
It almost makes me ashamed to be a Steelers fan, but then I look at the alternative and I’m like “PHEEEEW!” Thank god my dad instilled such great ideals in me.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Apr 28, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're complaining about your team's 7th round pick
You’re just looking to complain about…anything.
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by Run Up The Score on Apr 28, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we just won the Super Bowl with an o-line like that, and you’re complaining about Ship. Dude. I know you’re still upset about Pitt losing to Nova, but come on.
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic
Their best receiver, a guy they all worship, is reletively small and slow, and yet plays with a ton of heart and went on to be extremely successful.
Their best RB of the last 10 years, was reletively fat and slow, and yet played with a ton of heart and went on to be extremely successful.
Their NFL defensive player of the year, the guy who single-handedly won the super bowl this year, was undrafted as a rookie and was cut 3 times from the team before his last signing.
So for a town who’s heros are guys who are unlikely heros, I find it ironic they would bag on Shipley for his measurables.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Apr 28, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't understand it at all
Getting Ship in the 7th was a steal, end of story.
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
Pittsburgh is diehard about the Steelers, the fans are always going to talk about anything going on with the organization. This is the same city that counts down the days till training camp, so analyzing all the picks is nothing new. With this story it’s getting a lot of attention because AQ is a hometown kid, so more people are talking about him than some of the other guys drafted on the second day. A lot of the fans are just basing their opinion off of what they’re fed, and when the number 1 story about A.Q. is his lack of size (and not his Rimington trophy) then that’s what they’re going to talk about
by WPIALkid22 on Apr 28, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
South Campus is developing in Carolina
Gerald Cadogan and Anthony Scirrotto join Dan Connor at the Kerry Collins Admissions Building.
by Cairo on Apr 28, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about...
Tim Shaw…probably on the the fastest LB’s @ PSU…he’s put on alot of size too…
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by BlueWhiteLife on Apr 28, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shipley
As a Steeler fan, I’m happy to have Shipley on board. I think his biggest challenge in making an NFL roster is that he is a pure one position OL player – I don’t think he can handle guard at all. So, unless he is a starting center, I don’t think he makes it. Teams generally don’t have a backup pure center, there just isn’t room on the roster.
by Wlvrn99 on Apr 28, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
D+?
Oh my God…I passed!

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by Hawkeye State on Apr 28, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my sr year all my electives were D=Diploma courses! LOL
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by amandakt on Apr 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bryce Paup References....
Bring back bad memories of him ruining Randall Cunningham’s knee in 1991.
Hopefully Maybin stays away from the knees of any Eagles QBs otherwise he will go down in infamy similar to Paup.
by JoePaPa on Apr 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Five years ago, I didn’t really think being a PSU fan and a Bills fan would really pay dividends…but I am so glad I’m wrong. Next year we’ll probably need an OLB, a safety, and perhaps some DT’s…so maybe we can add to the list of Penn Staters in Bills unis.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 28, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Penn State Buffalo Campus
The Penn State White Out rolls into its Buffalo campus.


by Penn State Buffalo Campus on Apr 28, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1 on the user-name.
I’ve never done that before.
by Kevin HD on Apr 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously a lot of people making comments on the NFL team boards
don’t know all the in depth information of the players as we do. Heck, I doubt I would know or care that Derrick Williams was sick during the NFL Combine, and posted probably his slowest time since he was 12 years old, if I wasn’t a Penn State fan. I just hope that D-Will can surprise the people in Detroit in a good way. (By the way, without checking the actual link, I must assume that “Pride of Detroit” is either a Red Wings or Pistons blog, since I can’t think of a single person in Michigan who has been proud of the Lions since before Barry Sanders retired early. Heck, I think there might even be more pride for the Tigers than for the Lions at this point. And so with that said, I just can’t take any serious football analysis from “Pride of Detroit”)
As for Shipley, I’m in agreement with everyone else. They must be smoking crack to think taking such a player in the SEVENTH ROUND is bad in ANY way. And how can anyone criticize the Big 10 for being a “3 yards and a cloud of dust” conference, and then think that they’d have bad O-linemen? And I mean, the best Center in one of the 3 best conferences is pretty good, right? I understand how you’d want your O-linemen to be big, but I’d also want them to be good.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitt fans are babies
They feel so inferior to us, so they have to compensate by pretending that their pro team is too good for Shipley because he is from Penn State. Inside they’re hoping he’s a steal, but that would mean admitting they are rooting for a PSU guy to help them. They’re Pitt fans, they don’t need PSU help for their pro team.
On the other hand, my PSU friends from Philly and I have quickly gotten over hating Shady McCoy. Sure he is a Pitt guy, but if he pans out then I will learn to love him. Plus if he busts, more reason to hate Pitt. It’s win-win for us.
by STU Boy on Apr 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, yeah
I was writing an e-mail to a fellow Eagles fan about Shady, and I started writing about how he was a bum, etc, then I was like, “well let me actually evaluate him as a player, not just as a Pitt player”, and suddently I had plenty of good things to say about him :-p
Heck, I even did a complete 180 from saying he doesn’t fit the Eagle’s schemes, to thinking he’ll be a pretty good fit (as long as he continues his receiving production)
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He’ll always be Shady to me but as long as he produces, he’s all good to me.
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by kmblue on Apr 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he
still rocks the 717 in his eye shade, he’s all good to me.
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by jtothep on Apr 28, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shipley not doing himself any favors.....
….by showing the balls and asking for the jersey number 52 when it has been unofficially retired by the team for 20 years.
by catesinator on May 4, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for your first paragraph
The majority of the people don’t know the in-depth stories of the players they just drafted, just the headline stories. That’s why I posted earlier, people are criticizing AQ because the main thing they hear about him is that he doesn’t have good size. And to be fair, a lot of people are excited about AQ coming to the Steelers
by WPIALkid22 on Apr 29, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams Could Have Been an F-
Is there such a thing? In any event, there are several reasons why Detroit Fans hate the selection of Williams.
1. The WR debacle that was Charles Rodgers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams. Three WRs drafted in the first round in 4 years is going to make any Lions fan scream when drafting a WR. The fact that the team has needs at LT, LG, C, RG, DE, DT, MLB, and CB also hurts.
2. Penn State. Although Matt Millen helped Penn State be Line Backer U, he is why Detroit went 0 and 16. Penn State will always be a curse for a Lions’ fans because of 7+ years of Millen.
3. Statistics. Williams statistic are unimpressive. Most Pro fans will examine someones numbers and can make a judgement from that. Williams numbers are nothing to write home about.
And as far as football Fans in Michigan, the Detroit area is all about football. We put 100k+ in AA, 50k+ in Sparty and until 2008, we were putting 50k+ into Ford Field to watch the Lions lose.
The Lions have not had a winning season since 2000, but all of the home games in 2007 were sold out, and even the first home game of 2008 was sold out. The Detroit area is a huge football town.
by DrDetroit on Apr 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, they got a 2nd round talent in the middle of the 3rd round
And Williams was DET’s fifth pick! Fifth! Why cry about it? He’ll be a dependable kick returner and a solid 3rd or 4th WR right away.
I really like Detroit’s draft, incidentally.
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by Run Up The Score on Apr 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto- I thought they had as good a draft as you can have with that many holes. They might even win a few this year.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 28, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your points completely, but I also think Detroit will be pleasantly surprised.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Apr 28, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millen did it all to curse Michigan
mission accomplished
by PSU-MDtrasplant on Apr 28, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIN
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 28, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think this was the prom or something or does he always roll like that. I wonder what non-alumni, non-booster person not associated with any program facilited the acquisition of that vehicle
by letsgopsu on Apr 29, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pinky ring?
Proof that Maybin has been hanging around old Italian guys for too long.
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