USC spring football
by PSUhomer on Apr 30, 2009 6:27 PM EDT
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PrintI posted a fanpost yesterday, and was content to begin my 6 weeks of only reading and not commenting or adding fanposts, but this article really caught my eye.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dufresne-usc-ucla26-2009apr26,0,4563546,full.column
It made was so pompous and pretentious. Here are the highlights:
If you go to the spring football game for your team, you are a huge loser. Get a life, loser. Did I mention if you even think about spring football, you are a loser.
I am at the point where I will root for tO$U to completely kick the heck out of U$C. Then we kick the heck out of U$C.
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After tO$U beats U$C, then we go undefeated and play for the national title after we kick the hell out of tO$U.
Why thank you
I m new at this internets. Ted Stevens once told me that its a series of tubes, and I cannot ever figure out what tube to use.
In response to Rambler, it wasn’t the bandwagonesque article, they are douches, thats fine, but there is no need to hate on me enjoying my spring game. I have a life thingy.
You know it’s wierd, ever since USC started being really good, they seem to have this very large and very vocal fanbase. And back when they were terrible, none of these people really cared about USC. Even now they still can’t get anyone to go to their spring game despite all the other national powerhouse programs filling their stadiums. So it’s almost like these people are only fans of USC when it’s convenient… If only we had a word for that… What kind of fan only roots for their team when it’s convenient and the team is winning… hrm…..
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I just keep thinking...
How will their fans react if, in addition to a loss to a random Pac-10 team like they always do, they lose to two Pac-10 teams and the Buckeyes. I mean, 9-3. “Is that even possible???”
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The Universe would collapse
Carroll would be fired immediately for not providing a championship worthy team. And an earthquake would finally happen on the San Andreas fault and Southern California would detach from the continental US. The devastation to the fabric of space and time would be immeasurable.
Go Oregon State, Ohio State, and, uh, some other Pac-10 team!
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, kinda
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
easy on them earthquake talks, brother
there still be some Nittany Lions out here!
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by TheMightyErik on Apr 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't pray to Zug for it to happen or anything
I’m just saying what would probably happen if Carroll went 9-3.
Why are they bandwagony?
I love the Blue and White, graduated from there, spent 4 amazing years there, and still read/watch everything that has any relations to the Nittany Lions. But I do live in Southern California. What the article said was true. We do have the beach. Guess the first thing I did when I woke up this morning before work was? Surf. Just because we have a ton of other things to do on a beautiful Saturday (which by the way the Lakers, Dogers, Angels are in season), doesn’t mean it makes people here bandwagony because we aren’t dying to attend a spring game in the heart of LA.
Let’s not pull that Republican thing where its “our way or the wrong way”. Fans in Southern Cali love their sports, just because there are more options than 1 doesn’t make us less dedicated. It just means we are lucky enough to enjoy life’s other pleasures. With that said. We Are.. Penn State.
Why are they bandwagony
Dude, this may not be evidence, and I’m not willing to defend it because I don’t care that much, but c’mon.
Also, let’s not drag politics into this please. kthnxbai.
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
by "they" I mean USC fans
I mean, you’re clearly not bandwagon PSU fan since you found and comment on BSD. ;)
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
West vs East
As has been stated below, the $10 probably plays a significant part in reducing the crowd. Second, 90% of the fun of the spring game is in the tailgating. I’ve tailgated in State College and other “cowtowns”, and I’ve tailgated in cities. It’s my opinion that tailgating underneath overpasses on a sea of concrete and the roar of traffic just can’t even come close to the fresh air, sound of friendly chatter, green grass underfoot, and open spaces of the fields at Beaver Stadium.
I’m hesitant to blanket label the LA area as a bunch of bandwagoners. It’s a complex case, and you can’t really compare USC’s gameday experience to OSU, Bama, or PSU, and I don’t think it’s necessarily the fans’ fault. There are a bunch of other sports teams for people to be fans of in LA, and chances >95% of the population there aren’t USC alums (especially considering a good fifth of them aren’t even legal US citizens) and have no interest in college football anyway.
That said, this writer is still a douchenozzle for his condescending and insecure comparisons of the size of OSU and Bama’s spring game crowds to USCs. It’s pretty apparent through this smug column that deep down, he really does think size matters.
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it is the business end!
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Apr 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Picked up that gem a few years back.
I think it was the summer after my freshman year. I was working on a 200 acre farm for my summer job. Douchenozzle was one of the farmer’s favorite terms of endearment. My vocabulary expanded quite a bit that summer.
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dude what time do you go to work?!? i need to move to the left coast! just in case you forgot though, there are other things to do in PA than go to the spring game. The Sixers, Phillies, and Flyers (and Pens) were all still playing on Saturday. Also, I know people who drove in from D.C. and NYC for the game. I’ve never been to LA so I won’t knock it but I can’t imagine its got that much more to do than NYC. It just so happens that for some of us drinking in a field with some of our old friends happens to be one of the higher points on that list.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Apr 30, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
For one...
I just got back from a four day trip to Yosemite and we are going on a three day little mini-campout on the beach next week. I only live 20 minutes from the beach but the gals want to do the whole camp thing to fall asleep listening to the waves.
Sorry guys… I love Penn State and the people from the midwest are generally a helluva lot friendlier and more real than people out here but I wouldn’t trade Cali for anything
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by TheMightyErik on Apr 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you trade it for bacon?
I would.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I will be cooking bacon on the beach as I did in Yosemite
on my camping stove. Problem with bacon in Yosemite is the bears that it brings at night as they also enjoy bacon as much, if not more, than some of us do
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by TheMightyErik on Apr 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
However, there is no way a damn bear likes bacon more than I do. No way. I would go all Davy Crockett on a bear’s ass for bacon.
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I damn near had to fight one...
last night I was there (Wed) a rather large bear rolled up on me right before I retired to the royal camping palace de Erik tent and scared the bejeesus out of me. Damn thing was really large and really only about four feet away from me. Good thing I didn’t have to find out how that battle would have ended up as I had no food near me and he very wisely thankfully left me alone and went on to another site in search of vittles.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on May 1, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
"had no food near me "
You are food to a bear…
by Screen Name 20 on May 1, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, "brown bear" is just
another term for Grizzly in Alaska. So there are only 2 types of bears (in North America): black (which are confusingly sometimes brown) and grizzlies. They do have distinctively different builds and skulls (grizzlies being built for killing).
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go watch the last hour of “Waking the Baby Mammoth” on NatGeo.
Bacon!
I hear you
Black bears are less agressive than grizzlies, but still…I thought that comment was funny considering at any moment you could be the food.
by Screen Name 20 on May 1, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And to make matters worse...
some dude was swatted across the face on Sunday night as a bear came up behind him and tried to literally take his steak out of his mouth. Dude ended up having to go for plastic surgery in Modesto and sadly the bear was trapped and destroyed the next night.
As a rule, the browns or grizzlies, are not present anywhere in California anymore except for being on our state flag. They were hunted to zero many years ago. The browns do, in fact, eat people in my former state of Alaska. In 4.5 yrs up there they ate at least 6 people.
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by TheMightyErik on May 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The browns do, in fact, eat people in my former state of Alaska. In 4.5 yrs up there they ate at least 6 people.
And people mock Sarah Palin for shooting those bastards. Tisk tisk tisk.
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on May 1, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And, no, I’m not trying to start a flame war.
I’m an idiot.
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by ReadingRambler on May 1, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I never thought of that!
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on May 2, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How about a
snausage – I could throw one of those your way?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I would too.
Cali is alright, I’m just not that into beaches, plus the pacific is cold up here.
"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."
aren’t the cavs, indians, and reds in season?
by borisborisboris on Apr 30, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but I'm not buying
Yes, LA has a variety of things to do, and the beach is right there, but it’s not like there wasn’t things to do in PA on an 85 degree Saturday, either. There are a lot of Philly area alumni who could’ve taken the shorter drive to the shore but decided to go to the game.
by Screen Name 20 on May 1, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The writer spelled it out
in the article – right now it is time for everyone in LA to rally around the Lakers. I guess the 3 hour time difference makes it difficult for West Coasters to support more than 1 team at a time.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
yeah... it's Laker time right now...
no doubt about it. It’s even funnier when the Dodgers are ok and there are like a million flags out on cars until they start to suck and they all get shelved again. Fans out here really are funny as hell.
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by TheMightyErik on May 1, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes that does make you less dedicated
I live in the DC ’burbs and there is a heck of a lot going around here but the PSU spring game trumps that. You can surf any day, dude. Like I am an avid cyclist and can change a ride to go to State College. And like LA is the only place where there are things to do. How arrogant. And only a loud-mouth self-righteous left-winger would bring politics into a discussion like this.
The article says
it was $10 to get in, that may have something to do with it. I certainly wouldn’t pay any money to get into the spring game. This year’s attendance was higher in the east also because of the weather, wait until it’s 48 degrees and raining.
When I think 48 degrees and raining, I think…
Have a "great HD day!" - Jay Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That pic makes me so ridiculously happy.
This is why you’re one of my fav BSD posters.
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- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Kmblue and Rambler
Sittin in a tree
K.I.SS.I.N.G….
Hey, this game is fun too and you can make it fun. --j. odrick
But I’m biased towards tailgating, as you may imagine. -ts
Ignore the accolades – just enjoy the games. -bb&w
Yeah, well you smell funny!
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Just don't mention...
R Kelly or you’ll get a shot right in the baby maker.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I don't know why
But for some reason I feel compelled to post this.
FIST PUMP!
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Jealousy sucks don't it.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
Busted
Yeah, it really does. That Rambler seems to have everything. He’s already King of Threads, and then he gets this primo endorsement from Km.
Sigh….maybe one day my time will come.
Hey, this game is fun too and you can make it fun. --j. odrick
But I’m biased towards tailgating, as you may imagine. -ts
Ignore the accolades – just enjoy the games. -bb&w
Have faith
The Zug is a fair and just ruler.
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by ReadingRambler on May 4, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What a joke
It’s a ridiculous article trying to put a positive spin on an apathetic fan base.
I think the $10
is a big deal. A $10 charge at Beaver Stadium would cut the crowd at least in half.
seriously? 10 bucks? i hardly think the people who pay 65 dollars or so a ticket for regular season games would turn away over 10 bucks. i would probably pay ten bucks to walk around beaver stadium on a thursday (hell like 6 people pay more than that to walk around Pitt’s stadium on a thursday…oh yeah that’s right…thats “game day” haha)
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Apr 30, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Florida charged 5 and had a 70% capacity crowd
people will pay…
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
Penn State should charge
$5 for parking and $2 to go to the Spring Game…
with all that added revenue we might be able to schedule someone other than Temple or Akron
PSU Softball
so still double what USC had?
just checking
by The JuggerNitt on May 1, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care that USC fans don't go to their spring game
I don’t think it makes them worse fans.
But this guy tries to make it seem as though more eastern fans are retarded hillbillies without a life. Obviously not true at all, why can’t people just live and let die. Who cares? Honestly who cares how many people show up in columbus or state college or LA, or anywhere else for a spring game? People who are either 1) TOO prideful of their program and want to brag, 2) People who are insecure about their own fanbase or 3) people who are just bored and rude.
I personally just plain don’t give a shite. as the great Iverson once said “we’re talkin about practice”
Black Shoes.
Basic Blues.
No Name.
All Game.
by Roland86 on Apr 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Been there, done that
As a 35 year SC season ticket holder, I had a few reasons for not going. The main one is that there isn’t that much to cheer for. When the offense looks good, is that because they ARE good or because the defense made a mistake? Maybe a long pass would prove that the QB can throw long, but our defense hates giving up long passes, so a completion would be proof that the D let the receiver get behind them.
Similarly, how do you cheer for a sack? C’mon, O-line???!!
Roland86 is right. We’re just talking about practice. And at SC, the regular practices are open to the public for free, anyway.
I feel the spring game is really for the fans who can’t afford season tickets. Kids go free, so the Octomom could have taken the entire gang for $10. Get ’em out of the house! Get ’em started rooting for the correct L.A. team.
In the case of my wife (also ’SC alum) and I, we live at the beach and drove to the mountains for the weekend to enjoy the outdoors. Mostly, we watched the draft, though. Viva Sanchez!
Agreed
The football team in SC is so accessible and so is Pete C. If you are a fan and haven’t run into him personally either at functions, restaurants or just regular practice (which is open btw), then you aren’t trying hard enough. But I mean that’s not to say I wish I could relive the Beaver Stadium experience in SC, when prime time games means playing at 5 in the afternoon for the EST audience.
And I wake up an hour and a half early for work for a quick hour of surfing a few days a week (to NittanyAlum02 who asked). I mean people wake up early to go for a quick jog, and if we got the ocean here, why not surf instead.
I was just busting your chops man it was truly meant to be good natured. I go to the gym before work but its 5:30 in the morning. Just never considered surfing at that hour (but of course I don’t live on a beach).
I agree with a lot of the posts, its not that LA fans are bad fans (well except what I hear about the pin drop staples center), but just because PSU fans go to the spring game doesn’t make them better than us. I guess that is my problem with the tone of the article. Its not that there is less to do, this just happens to be something we really enjoy. Personally, tailgating with my friends is one of my favorite things to do.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on May 1, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally, tailgating with my friends is one of my favorite things to do.
And really tailgating is what the whole thing is about, I think you are right in pointing out that is getting overlooked. I mean how many people drive all that way and don’t even go inside? I’d say a large %.
In 06 we went tailgated for 4 hours then packed up and went five blocks to my buddies house
and proceeded to get even more inebriated while watching the game on the tube. Then we went and scored a touchdown on Skytop. But the biggest part of the day was the tailgate. It is a chance to hang with your buddies and enjoy a PSU tradition.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
"Scored a TD on Skytop"
Nice End Zone reference, haha
+1 for the reference
and +1 for picking it up.
Haven’t yet been in, but see it every time I leave Freestone GC on our Game Weekend Friday golf extravaganza.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on May 2, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
-1 to both of you for not rec'ing the post
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by ReadingRambler on May 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Who intived Hightower is a spring football thread?
"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."
Haven't made it in since i graduated
I just love the atmosphere, the nice weather, the girls, the baggo, the flip cup. My favorite tailgate/day of the year
I just disregard all that crap.
Fact is, until we kick their ass, they have the right to their smug attitude, no matter how unattractive it makes them appear.
Every up cycle only lasts so long. Some teams and fans don’t handle it well, while others do. It was just a few years ago that USC sucked hard, but listening the last 3 years you’d think they’ve been on top forever. Fine.
Remember when it appeared that Miami could do no wrong? Nebraska? FSU?
Hell – we sucked for 4 years out of 5.
’Bama is just now recovering from the disaster decade. Texas and Oklahoma – same thing.
Most fanbases simply enjoy their team’s successes, while others get so giddy they mock everything/everyone else. SoCal is SoCal. Nothing new here.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
but...but
USC has always been a better team than Penn State. Let me use facts to demonstrate my point by listing win percentages for the previous decades:
1999-2008: USC = 4, PSU = 29 see?
Further proof:
1989-1999: USC = 29, PSU = 6 hmm, well that’s not quite as convincing, let’s just ignore this decade and go one previous
1979-1988: USC = 17, PSU = 7 wow…this must just be a fluke, let me go even earlier
1969-1978: USC = 8 looking good so far… PSU = 2 darn, what is going on here?
Ok ok, one last try:
1959-1968: USC 12, PSU = 13 clearly a domination of PSU by USC
So there you have it, folks. Clear proof that USC is always a clearly better team than PSU (except when taking 4 out of the last 5 decades into consideration)
by The JuggerNitt on May 1, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Another thing I'm not quite sure of
but it always seems like a lot of the people that go to Blue/White weekend come from all over the state (and from surrounding states). What is the demographics of the USC spring game attendees? Are they mostly local fans, or do people travel to come to that as well?
And as has been pointed out a few times, many more people come to Penn Schtate to do the tailgating, and not just to “watch a boring scrimmage where there is no one to root for”. Sure people go in, but it probably only accounts for half the people that actually show up. And while the weather may be nicer in SoCal, and people have more “things” to do, but if I recall correctly, PA has the Phillies & Pirates, the 76ers, Flyers, and Penguins were all in their respective post-seasons, and I’m not sure if USCers know this, but Penn State gasp also had the draft to watch, but not only that, Eagles fans and Steelers fans also had the draft to watch. Oh yeah, and the weather in PA and the Midwest was just as nice as any day in SoCal on April 25, so there goes that excuse.
Now if you just want to say that college football isn’t that big of a deal to people in SoCal, I guess that is fine too (less people to be upset about the team getting cheated of a National Championship at least, amiright? And further explains any “east coast bias”, since there’s just fewer people that care out there, right? That’s what you guys are saying, correct?).
Of course, the $10 could be a deterrent, but I’m sure everyone else was just outside the Colliseum tailgating.
I live in LA
and I don’t recall any advertising for the USC spring game. I still have no Idea when it happened. And don’t believe all the crap about surfing in the morning being so great. Let water is f-ing cold except for August and September and the only people who go in it the rest of the year are the surfers with their wetsuits. The summer beach season on the east coast is much better.
the hell you say, sir
I have never worn a wetsuit. I think they are for sissies. While the water is generally cold up until July-Sep it is definitely swimmable as long as you just jump in and you get used to it almost immediately.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on May 1, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Brrr.....shrinkage........
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on May 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that is why you go with
“Mighty” rather than “Plain Old” in yer handle. Wetsuits, we don’t need no stinking wetsuits.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
well there is that... lol
thanks but I just always loved the feeling of being in the water. I have surfed in swim shirts before to combat board rash but that was about the extent of it
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by TheMightyErik on May 1, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I go to USC
and I have no clue when it happened.
As a PSU fan
where we have this tradition of the BW game, this saddens me somehow, but no offense, I hate USC so my sadness is nullified.
PSU folk
simply enjoy being around other PSU folk. We love the campus. We love the town. We love being a part of the Penn State Family.
I really think that’s the difference. You don’t ‘leave’ Penn State when you graduate; you simply join a different segment of the family. I try to explain this to friends that are alums of WVU, BC, or….hell – just about any other school. They listen and nod, but I can tell they don’t get it. They can’t.
This blog is a great example. I visit sites for other schools, be they Big Ten, PAC 10, SEC or whatever, and my first thought is usually “Where are all the commenters?”. Dude posted a great story, and in 3 days there’s one comment. Seems like a waste.
Here, it’s impossible to get us to shut up, and I love it. Haven’t met a single one of you guys or ladies face to face, but I consider all of you to be my friend. You’re thoughtful, passionate, intelligent, polite and hilarious. The ladies, of course, in addition to the aforementioned attributes, are Smokin’ HOT.
BSD is just a great place, and I appreciate the fact that while BSD Mike, Kevin and RUTS do the heavy lifting, it’s all the rest of you that really rock the house. I simply don’t see it anywhere else.
(Hang on a sec – just let me wipe this tear from my eye…….sniff).
OK, OK – I’ll say it: I love you guys! We’re PSU, dammit, and we always will be.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on May 1, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course not
I’m just qualifying the hug.
by Screen Name 20 on May 4, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Pete.... you complete me
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on May 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Eek. What have I started?
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on May 1, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's going to drag out
the obviously missing Jerry McGuire reference, uh I guess I will…
You had me at …..
“PSU folk”
(At least I didn’t come up with You complete Me).
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
"PSU folk" sounds too country. I LIKE IT!!
Like Pete said, any chance to get back to the utopia of Happy Valley, especially with sunshine and drinking with friends. I’ve yet to meet people from other schools who “get it”. Oh well, their loss. It’s like the old ad from Billabong: “Only a surfer knows the feeling.” We’ve got: “Only a Penn Stater knows the feeling.”
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
anyone I know
who enjoys any of the following:
football
tailgating
partying
drinking
party/drinking games
barbeque
all have been quite impressed with the Penn State football/tailgate experience
by The JuggerNitt on May 4, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
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