Why It Mattered
BSD insta-legend Reading Rambler flagged this Boiled Sports post deriding Penn State fans for being excited about our NIT Championship. The only way that the BS post could be any more of a transparent plea for attention would be writing "ERIN ANDREWS DONKEY SHOW" in the title, but let's give them some attention anyway, in the form of the Fire Joe Morgan treatment.
You're delusional or high on that "sweet" NIT nectar if you really believe that winning the NIT is at all noteworthy. I'm glad you enjoyed this run, but winning the NIT is still unimportant.
First, there is nothing more deliciously ironic than having a Purdue Boilermaker fan lecture you on the topic of irrelevance. After all, Purdue is the school most people can't remember when trying to name all eleven Big Ten conference members. Indiana has the chair-throwing guy with the red sweater, Michigan State has PUCKER PUCKER PUCKER, Northwestern has the smart kids, Iowa destroys our dreams on a semi-annual basis, and Purdue...what, trains? Combovers? Oatmeal? Mascot that looks like a pedophile?
Some friendly advice, when your claim to fame is a giant drum, keep the relevance barbs to yourself. And really, after years of the national media bagging on the Big Ten as playing plodding, Neanderthal basketball, can't you just be appreciative for us bringing a miniscule amount of positive attention to the conference? It's not like anybody is asking for a parade here.
No team wants to be in the NIT, especially a team that went 10-8 in a major conference. It's an obvious point to be sure, but a fact of life for a handful of bubble teams every March. Just as football teams who barely sneak into crappy bowl games benefit by having extra practices, young basketball programs can benefit from the extra practices, games, and tournament atmosphere provided by the NIT.
...don't kid yourselves- outside of the PSU family, this "tournament" run was unimportant.
Boiled Sports is responding to one overly emotional postgame post over at NWO. Nobody. Else. In the. PSU blogosphere really thought it was more than a Little Big Deal. No reasonable person is confusing this with the Final Four. Nobody expects UConn fans to care about it, or for it to be the lead story on SportsCenter.
Even big sports fans don't care about the NIT because they understand how watered-down a championship (in name only) from this tournament is. I think it can be fairly argued that a pre-conference NIT championship is more important to a program than the post-season post-season variety.
There are teams that might benefit from such a run- young teams that are trying to get their legs under them might learn what it takes to be a champ from this tournament played in the gaps left by the NCAA tourney...in theory.
Anyone who can decipher those two paragraphs wins a cookie.
But, outside of Memphis and Wake Forest, no programs have gone on to "greatness" the next season because of the momentum, knowledge or team unity gained in this tournament. In fact, NIT championships for Michigan did little more than stunt the growth of their program and push them to set the bar ever-lower.
Okay, I understand this paragraph -- It's just unforgivably stupid. Under this theory, Michigan winning the 2004 NIT actually caused them to suck in 2005 and beyond. After celebrating in Madison Square Garden, Tommy Amaker went back to the locker room and apparently thought, "You know, this is GREAT. I'm going to go out of my way to be a mediocre coach, and we can do this every year!"
BS throws out a token compliment -- there's a rather hilarious "but we said nice things about you!" backtracking in the comments -- before going back to the "nobody cares outside of State College" line, and uncorking a beauty:
Penn State did belong in the real tournament more than many teams that got in, PSU was a good team in '08/'09. That said, the last few victories don't help this team's resume or their legacy to the world outside of State College, PA. In fact, they might even cheapen the quality wins versus MSU, Purdue and others that occurred when something was actually on the line and all parties were playing as if their lives depended on it.
That's right, kids, Penn State beating George Mason, Rhode Island, Notre Dame, Florida, and Baylor makes Penn State and its previously victories look worse. If Penn State had only lost to George Mason in the first round, we could look back at those wins over Sparty, Illinois, and Purdue with pride. With this line of thinking, the NIT not only makes your program less ambitious, it actually invalidates your previous wins! Oh, and it gives you herpes.
And incidentally, this is the face of somebody playing as if his life depended on it:
Penn State doesn't exactly have a rich basketball history. It's not even close to Purdue's tradition, which we hear a lot about even though they've never actually been to the NCAA tournament finals. (The Chicago Cubs have a rich baseball history too, I suppose.)
Look, our family's pretty big, and it's not just due to Deep Fried White Castle burgers in the Beaver Stadium parking lot. We'll celebrate anything, and to see this team succeed after suffering through a string of 1-15, 3-13, and 2-14 Big Ten seasons is very important. The team and fans faced up to their Selection Sunday disappointment and turned it into something positive, and it'll have more of a long-term benefit for the program than a first-round NCAA loss ever could.
Penn State's young players got much-needed national television experience and played in some great environments. Andrew Jones, David Jackson, Chris Babb -- players we desperately need to be good next season -- visibly improved against good competition. Next season, we'll have more games on ESPN and less on the Big Ten Network. Ridiculous as it may seem, this is no small accomplishment for a program gasping and competing for national attention.
Perhaps most importantly, after years of being crapped on by a combination of Jerry Dunn's coaching incompetence, countless player defections, and a heaping amount of institutional indifference, our fans finally had a reason to believe again in the basketball program.
That's why the NIT matters.
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Well said
The fact that PSU, after fighting hard all season to make the NCAAs and just falling a little short, didn’t pout or give up and took that hearbreak as motivation to go out and win every single game they could the rest of the season shows the character of the team.
There is only one national champion every year, so besides that, everyone will debate which accomplishments mean more and that’s fine. This team has proven all year that they can play with anyone in the nation and they have no reason to feel anything other than proud of their efforts.
The bottom line is that this TEAM gave us dozens of amazing moments to remember and hopefully build off for next season. We will all miss Cornley, Morrissey, and Pringle, and look forward to some other guys filling in their shoes.
The people who try to be negative or put down winning the NIT are those that (1) simply have a lot of free time on their hands now because their team is not playing anymore and (2) bitter because their team hasn’t accomplished anything of significance.
Thanks for a great season.
by mundyscorner99 on Apr 4, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Purdue can suck my #$*!
For all their so-called “success,” when was the last time they made the Final Four? I may be wrong, but not in my lifetime (I’m 41 years old). For being in the hoops mecca of Indiana, they really don’t accomplish much on the national stage. Shit, Indiana State made it to the championship game more recently than the Boilerfakers! The truth of the matter is this: Granted, we didn’t win the big tournament. But, all these other people who have to comment over our pride and joy over this accomplishment are just pissed off and bitter that their team wasn’t playing this late in the year, and they’re jealous because of the rabid support that the alumni and students give to all things that are Penn State.
by Ab4PSU on Apr 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think seeing that sea of White in MSG pissed people off
This just sums up the ambivalence that is the NIT. It’s like we’re not supposed to celebrate this at all.
I think what most people outside of here are missing it that is was FUN. I got excited and looked forward to and enjoyed those games at MSG. There’s not too much fun to be had on Tuesday and Thursday nights these days, but PSU hooked it up. I’m grateful for that.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Apr 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See?
This is why we can’t have nice things.
This is why I have no respect for any of the other programs in our conference. Here we have a case of an underdog basketball program from the conference, a conference that gets increasingly bagged on in both sports, that runs the table in a post season tournament against some solid competition, and yet this Purdue jobber’s immediate reaction is to shit on the team’s well-deserved accomplishment.
Thanks for the support, dickhead. How about rallying around a fellow Big Ten program?
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Apr 4, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be noted
That Purdue looks at us the way we looked at Michigan before last year — many Purdue fans hate Penn State with an unbridled passion because we’ve crushed their football team even when we sucked and they had NFL QB’s and a great team.
They’ve beaten us twice since we’ve joined the conference — and both those seasons were losing seasons on our end.
Meanwhile no one in Happy Valley gives a hoot about Purdue because they’re a perennial doormat on our schedule.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Apr 4, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done, RUTS.
I actually had a post on BS’ keyboard diarrhea the day before but wasn’t up to ripping it apart on the levels you did…Well done, sir!
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by Happy Hour Valley on Apr 4, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even big sports fans don’t care about the NIT because they understand how watered-down a championship (in name only) from this tournament is. I think it can be fairly argued that a pre-conference NIT championship is more important to a program than the post-season post-season variety.
There are teams that might benefit from such a run- young teams that are trying to get their legs under them might learn what it takes to be a champ from this tournament played in the gaps left by the NCAA tourney…in theory.
I really want a cookie, but I can’t do it.
"Breaststroke, free style," Rubin said of his technique, "Let’s see Phelps do that one."
by ReadingRambler on Apr 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly. In the immortal words of Ken Tremendous, “Fuck the heck?”
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 4, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After all, Purdue is the school most people can’t remember when trying to name all eleven Big Ten conference members.
LOL I once posted my predicted B10 standings on an ESPN message board with 10 teams. Guess who I completely forgot about?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Apr 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This makes my blood boil!
Why do alum/fans of another school have to put us down for celebrating the fact that our basketball team had a decent season? It always seems to come from schools that are good or have been good in the past in basketball. What are you so afraid of? That Penn State is suddenly going to get more recognition than your team? That your team is relevant anymore? Are you afraid of more competition? GROW UP!!
I remember when the season first started, we even had another team’s fan busting our chops for the low attendance at our basketball games. Do you have nothing better in your life to do than check attendance at another school? And now that we’ve had success and 36 buses of kids go from SC to MSG, we get grief for that! GROW UP!!
Are we critical of other schools’ fans when their volleyball or gymnastics or fencing or women’s soccer teams have a good year? NO. We realize that we have to work that much harder to stay on top.
And I don’t care if nobody outside of State College cares. (Actually, I live in NJ and I care alot.) We care, and we don’t care if you don’t care. Just don’t tell us you don’t care. GROW UP!!!!
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Apr 4, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More rant
I really don’t understand the cause of this grief. All I’ve seen from Penn State is a celebration of the basketball team’s success. Applauding their accomplishments in a year where not too many people were expecting such things from them, gradulating players like Cornley & Pringle & Morrissey for their years of dedication and hard work and being happy for them for a pretty darn good senior year. I have NOT seen Penn Staters rubbing it in the faces of other teams’ fans with “we won the NIT, what did your team do?” kind of crap. Hey, we undertand that the NIT is not the big dance, it’s the junior prom, so we know that not too many people outside of the PSU family care about it. But we do, and we don’t care if you do or not. Just don’t tell us you don’t. GROW UP!! And maybe instead of trying to put us down, you should work on trying to build yourself up.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Apr 4, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
I think Penn State fans are putting this win in perspective. Sure, it’s cool that we won the NIT and all. It’s a good accomplishment for a team that’s been down the past few years (decades). Most importantly, it’s a stepping stone for the team to use to elevate themselves, and maybe even be ranked next year.
by PizzaDelivery on Apr 4, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FACT
80% of Americans don’t know what state Purdue is in.
I blame Iowa.
by raimman on Apr 4, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I almost feel retarded for not knowing
but I’m going to give it a whirl and say Indiana? I truly and honestly do not know.
by dawsonPSU10 on Apr 4, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was in kentucky, who gives a crap really
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Apr 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s think about this- what’s the easiest way for a Purdue blog, after they were knocked out of NCAAs and before they start rehashing the same few spring practice stories, to get hits?
Bash one of the three schools with a big enough fan base to actually care. Done and done.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 4, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent rebutal, I am so glad that people smarter than I are out there defending PSU.
I am not too sure about the deep fried burgers, sure they sound good but I cannot imagine anything worse for you. Anyway, thanks for the strong work.
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by psu on Apr 4, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There was a steady demand for NIT shirts downtown today.
We didn’t have them but people kept asking. Tell them that we shouldn’t care about this runner’s up tourney. Shows how our fan base is leaps and bounds above many other schools. I’m sure Purdue has a fair share of fans who are trying to remember their last meaningful football game.
Our fans are proud of what they did and they love seeing progress in a sport where there hasn’t traditionally been any.
I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega
by OMEGAMAN on Apr 4, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's too bad
I kinda liked Purdue. In fact, I cheered for them against Washington and UConn.
by speedomike on Apr 4, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PURWHO?- ur mascot should be an owl!
"FACT
80% of Americans don’t know what state Purdue is in."
….LOLOLOL
by Stintug93PSU on Apr 4, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PURWHO?- ur mascot should be an owl!
"FACT
80% of Americans don’t know what state Purdue is in."
….LOLOLOL
by Stintug93PSU on Apr 4, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Purdue
Don’t they make chicken or something?
by EaglesPhan53 on Apr 4, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One more thing ..
The people who run those pre-season tournaments saw the crowds that came out to the Garden last week, That will pay dividends. I know the Garden managment noticed those buses.
by JIMBOSARATOG on Apr 4, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason PSU fans are fired up?
For the first time since Bruce Parkill we have a coach and team that “gets it”.
Granted there is still a long haul to go, but winning the NIT is a good first step…hell leap.
PA is a football state but there is some good Bball in Pittsburgh/Philly. 5 hours to NYC and DC metro.
We have good facilities and lots of money to support the program…this team just gave the fans a reason to care about Bball instead of only FB.
Nice job all around….is Purdue in Ohio?
by SweepTheLeg on Apr 4, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way
If you love the propaganda football videos that are shown at Beaver Stadium, there’s a whole page of them on YouTube for the basketball team:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PSUBasketball1
"Never. We would never shoot nuclear weapons at Decepticons." -- Gen. Jack Jacobs
by Run Up The Score on Apr 4, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks RUTS. Here is another great video I found, I love the Joe Pa speech.
by SweepTheLeg on Apr 4, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
JoePa looks a lot younger in that video. I didn’t know he could sing either.
by Dr Screenpass on Apr 5, 2009 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said RUTS
Seems kind of funny to me that nobody cares about the NIT, yet a hell of a lot of people must read the stories about the NIT ( which are hidden in the bowels of the sports pages and don’t make Sports Center, so they have to do some research!) . They care enough to take the time to post on the boards, knocking those who have had some late season success in a lesser tourney. They try to make an illogical argument that it just means that we’re the 66th best team in the country, that’s crappola! Well, it tells me that people must care about the NIT more than they admit. It also shows that they just can’t handle other school’s accomplishments. It would not have mattered if Baylor had won on Thursday. These same posters would have been there on Friday knocking Baylor for celebrating a “small” step towards potential respect in the B-Ball world.
I, like most PSU “fans”, have rooted for MSU, Ill, Wiski, OSU, Minne., Michigan and even the Boilers in the MIT… “More Important Tourney”. Every victory in the NCAA or NIT (or even the CBI) just helps a conference get a little more national respect. If nothing else, it shows that our “also rans” are better than the other conference’s also rans. It shows a deeper conference.
Way to go Sparty. We wish you the best on Monday and will be pulling for you (even though I do have UNC in my bracket). Halfway into the late NCAA game, it appears that the mighty Big East may not have a finalist, hooray!
by PaJoe on Apr 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To quote Nipsy Russell:
“Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.”
Let’s see, Purdue has…
Irrelevant football team? Check
Average at best basketball team? Check
No other championship teams to speak of? Check.
Thanks for stopping by, Purdue.
by Tailgate Shogun on Apr 4, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot
Second rate engineering program.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Apr 4, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pur-Didn't
What makes me so damn happy about Purdue is that the last time its football team was relevant—the Drew Brees years—it still did not beat Penn State.
Boiler up! Toot! Toot! (Explosion.)
by MainLion on Apr 4, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post, RUTS
Frustrating to hear this stuff from Purdue (why the hell do they care about our celebrating?) and some of the MSU blogs who posted similar things.
The fact is that in the big ten, for the most part, you find a mix of excellence and mediocrity anywhere you look. Purdue has a great basketball team, they have produced something like 20 astronauts (i think even Neil Armstrong…), but their football success is mixed. Most of the alumni that I’ve met are affable and intelligent, so great, I can root for them from time to time.
Anyway, just read Hammer and Rails instead, if you want the Purdue perspective. There is a reason SBN invited him instead of the BS bloggers.
by borisborisboris on Apr 5, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget...
We also pulled TBII… And the White Out/House (I’m not sure if it was just students or not…) in the sports’ most hallowed arena HAD to play a part in that. That, and seeing us wax another team he was considering.
by psume06 on Apr 5, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little confused by all of this talk
about the “world” outside of state college and/or the PSU family – where the heck is that? And “big sports fans”? – unless he means Fans of Unusual Size or people who like monster truck rallies/watching Top Gear -
Those kids got to play a lot longer than most other teams – and they played well – the games were very entertaining and the fans represented us exceeding well.
it’s possible that folks are reacting to all the “good” press the fan base got throughout the tournament -
by PSUgirl on Apr 6, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow...im sorry guys
I go to Purdue, but I have been a Penn State fan my entire life (dad’s from PA but Iive in IN)… first off I have to apologize for this idiots talk…. I really feel that he does not even come close to representing the Purdue student body at all. I personally feel that most of us are huge big10 fans, and cheer for our conference whenever we can in the postseason. At least that seems to be how it is at the bars when I go to watch tourney and bowl games. Second, if you want a real Purdue perspective read Hammer and Rails, thats why its on SBnation and not boiled sports.
I would make rebuttals to some of the comments on sports and quality of education…since I know a boatload about both schools and where they stand on both. But im not going to start a pissing contest lol. I will agree that noone knows where Purdue is, especially out on the west coast….but this actually works in our favor because alot of people think its ivy league hehe :)
by RoyMan on Apr 6, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol, trust me on this one, though
no school gets confused for an Ivy League school as much as Penn State does (people confuse us with UPenn all the time).
Like the line in the movie Friday Night Lights (I know I’m gonna mangle it):
Doctor: “My son, Andrew, played for Midland, and ended up back East at Penn.”
Boobie: “Oh, he playin’ with, uh, Joe Paterno.”
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 6, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*tear*
Way to bring it (don’t you worry, it has already been BROUGHT-en). This is a really good post. A great rebuttal, with poignant counter-attacks and sweet link-work. Do you begin composition offline, or just jump right in with sbn tools? Important to emphasize the points about the PSU family, too, and our celebratory enthusiasm—brings it all back to the unity thing. Really good stuff.
Now, we’ll need to figure out how to channel some of this creativity and style in our collective retorts (or pre-torts?) to the inevitable columns/posts this fall about our football schedule and old coach.
by jtothep on Apr 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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