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So the Big Ten meetings came and went in Chicago this week. There was nothing Earth shattering that came out of them. Basically the coaches, athletic directors, and Big Ten executives got together to complain about their problems. They came to the consensus that these are very difficult problems and agreed to meet again next year to discuss them again. It's basically like every office meeting I ever attend. But let's rehash it anyway.

First, every reporter was dying to stick a microphone in Joe Paterno's face hoping to get him to throw Jim Delany under the bus on the topic of expansion and a playoff game. Predictably, Paterno had nothing to say.

Penn State coach Joe Paterno backed off Tuesday from calling for the expansion of the Big Ten to include a 12th team that would open the door for a conference championship game in football. Paterno had been quoted in recent reports as an advocate for both.

Paterno said the remarks were off-handed, "without any deliberate intent."

"You're wasting your time talking to me about it, honestly," Paterno said during a break from meetings of Big Ten coaches, athletic directors and league administrators.

Everyone is saying Paterno "backed off" from his comments a week or two ago as if Paterno was directly challenging Delany back then. But you have to understand the context of Paterno's comments. He was speaking at a private dinner to alumni. There weren't supposed to be any reporters in the audience, but as is always the case, a few of them pony up the $100 for a meal and a chance at a good story. So I'm not surprised that in an environment like the Big Ten meetings with reporters crawling all over that Paterno would clam up.

In other news, Jim Delany had this to say about Barack Obama pushing for a college football playoff.

The president initially voiced his wish for a football playoff last fall while campaigning and has remained an advocate. "He probably has an interest as a fan," Delany said. "He's a scholar and a lawyer and a great politician, but I don't think he really understands the complexity of the issue."

Of course. A college football playoff system would be incredibly difficult to organize and put together. If only we had a model we could base it off of, like, I don't know, maybe the Div. IAA otherwise knows as the Football Championship Subdivision?

TNL has a much lengthier tirade that you simply must read.

One item that came up that seems to be getting some traction is playing nine conference games starting in 2012.

Big Ten athletic directors have discussed ways to play a nine-game league schedule for several years, and while nothing is imminent, the plan appears to have a good deal of support. League members currently play eight games and have two conference byes that change every two years. 

"We talk about that at every meeting," said Michigan athletic director Bill Martin, who added that the drive for nine is getting more support. "As the guarantees [for nonconference games] go up and up and up and the fans want to play our sister institutions in the conference, to me it's a no-brainer. Play 'em."

As we've pointed out before, the logistics of every team playing nine games doesn't work. You will always have an odd team that only gets to play eight games. This makes the Michigan and Ohio State blogs go into a panic because they are terrified that some year a team like Indiana or Purdue is going to avoid playing both of them and end up winning the conference with a 7-1 record over their 7-2 record.

I say so what. If you arranged it so the last place team loses the extra conference game you're only setting yourself up for the once a century worst-to-first scenario. It can't be any worse than the ugly mess the Big XII South created last year.

But the benefits would far outweigh the occassional embarrassment. The cost of scheduling out of conference competition is going up exponentially. It's so bad that teams are dipping more and more into the FCS teams. Why not keep that money in the conference? And fans would benefit from having more games on the schedule that actually mean something.

And ultimately maybe this conference needs a little controversy. Like the current administration says, "Never let a crisis go to waste." What better opportunity to push for expansion and change than to have a dispute over who is champion. But of course that would require getting rid of the whole "Co-Champion" label and hurting someone's feelings I guess.

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Great idea

I love the idea of giving the last place team the 8-game in conference schedule, and everyone else the 9. It makes boundless sense, but it’s also completely impossible. It makes sense b/c it makes for an easier schedule, and a more expensive schedule for the team in question. But it’s impossible b/c making your schedule dependent on the outcome of a season means things have to move fast and they seldom do.

Schedules are set years in advance, and you’d have teams struggling at the last minute to add one last OOC team b/c they finished dead last the previous year. You’d basically have to have teams set to play 3 OOC and 9 conference, and whoever comes up last needs to struggle to find a D1AA team.

That raises another question, how do you set the conference schedules years in advance when two teams are going to be affected by that missing 9th game? If Michigan is set to play us at home next season, but finished last this season, and we end up being that 9th game (by some logic) then we need to trade Michigan for another opponent, but that opponent can’t be a team that we played at home already lest we break the cycle of home/away…

It’s like The Butterfly effect: RichRod farts on Tate Forcier and the next thing you know we’re playing Ohio State twice on the road in the same season.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on May 22, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's just a bandaid

The real solution is expanding to 12 members and have everyone play 9 games.

by BSD on May 22, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

The problem there is that there will be some years Penn State only gets four home conference games. So all of the out of conference home games (3) will have to be home games too. Cupcakes anyone?

by BSD on May 22, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a mess

and it’s not getting any better

I’ll now envoke my opinion that we should have stayed indpenedent for football.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on May 22, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That ship has sailed

I don’t think the Big Ten would have taken us without football. It was either all or nothing.

by BSD on May 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and in the long run, the benefit this conference has had on our entire athletic department across all our other sports teams negates the problems it has caused our football program.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on May 22, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t see how we could have stayed independent in football. Unless you think we would have gotten our own TV contract. I

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 22, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We definitly could have gotten our own TV deal

There is a reason the PSU name is littered across the top drawing games of all time on ESPN and as the highest rated NCAA game of all time. Much like ND and a few others, we have national appeal. Alumni numbers in every market.

Though, I am not sure I would’ve stayed independent. Just my opinion. I can’t wait til 50 years from now so I can look back and really guess, I mean we are still newbies to the conference biz.

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by Roland86 on May 22, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow I can't believe that "virtually unnoticeable" 39" dish didn't catch on

According to that Collegian article, I don’t remember this because I would have been 2 years old at the time.

I can’t believe they convinced JoePa to do an infomercial, or Jack Ham in his Cosby sweater.

by dawsonPSU10 on May 22, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That video is pure awesome.

Virtually unnoticeable!

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 22, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy hell...

that is simply incredible… JoePa glued to the cue card is bad but that mammoth dish is probably the best part of that infomercial

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member

by TheMightyErik on May 23, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure I follow

Brian had an idea of lining up a MAC school as the default “12th team in the Big Ten.” So you would have 10 teams playing 5 Big Ten games on one weekend of the season, and UM would play a MAC team under your scenario above. This weekend of games would be scheduled after the end of a season, for the following season only. UM wouldn’t need to be “replaced” on PSU’s schedule because they were never there in the first place. Every Big Ten team would schedule 3 OOC games, as in the old days.

Also, I would like to take issue with your hypothetical last place UM finish, but this is a team that is two plays away from Nick Sheridan as starting QB, so I, uh, won’t take issue.

by Wlvrn99 on May 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indiana will finish last anyway.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure........

like in most things in life, that there are complexities that aren’t obvious to the average fan like myself.

However, Delaney sounds like such a douche everytime I see a quote.

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by ech2os on May 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Regardless of your political feelings, giving condescending quotes aimed at the most powerful person in the world seems a little douchy.

by Wlvrn99 on May 22, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also: snickering at JoePa is douchey

so…anything you’d like ot admit, Wlvrn99?

by The JuggerNitt on May 22, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha since when?

"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."

by bconway6 on May 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love JoePa

He reminds of my dad (also from Brooklyn). In fact, I remember one day a looong time ago we were driving to NJ and caught a PSU game on the radio. After a few minutes, we kind of looked at each other and asked how the hell JoePa could do color on the radio during a PSU game. I guess it was his brother, but we didn’t know that at the time. I just remember my dad enjoyed the hell out of listening to whoeverPa for 3 hours. He would listen to someone from Brooklyn read the phone book.

Of course, somewhere on my list of favorite things about Joe is his loyalty to his son. I only wish he would give him back the recruiting coordinator job.

by Wlvrn99 on May 22, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I prefer the much more specific "develop athletic quarterbacks" role

Cuz thats all he’s got really that makes us better, besides, aren’t you sure you don’t like Big Red and LJSR bringing in blue chippers to help PSU overwhelm the wolverines?

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by Roland86 on May 22, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

from what I’ve heard, PSU only gets the fish that Schiano and the Wannstache throw back.

by Wlvrn99 on May 22, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, but Schiano is very generous in the fish he throws back.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Robinson

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring on the 9th game

If it helps in anyway to push for a 12th member. Maybe after dealing with the headaches, they will make concessions.

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by Roland86 on May 22, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon, it's not that simple

“Of course. A college football playoff system would be incredibly difficult to organize and put together. If only we had a model we could base it off of, like, I don’t know, maybe the Div. IAA otherwise knows as the Football Championship Subdivision?”

Division IAA doesn’t have nearly the talent disparity that Division IA does, nor the lack of connectivity. The FCS system wouldn’t come close to working. The people who seriously argue for something simple (like “all conference winners” – including the mighty Sun Belt champ) don’t realize the backlash that would happen from a system like that.

The post that I had a while ago stressed the problem: there is no championship that would work. Realistically you have to fix scheduling, which means you need to fix the economic issue first.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on May 23, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

It wouldn’t be “simple” at all and it would likely destroy what’s best and unique about college football.

in D1AA the playoff games are in the higher seed’s home stadium. That’s one thing when you’re playing before 20,000.

But if you’re the arbitrarily decided 5 seed in an 8 team playoff, how would you like to play LSU in Baton Rouge, at night?

So the next movement will be (after shortening the season for the playoff), taking the playoff games to “neutral” (SEC and PAC 10 territory) sites. All in SEC/PAC 10 weather.

Any playoff system would mean less games on campus and more games tilted towards warm weather conferences.

College football is great because of tradition. I hope I never see a playoff system for D1 football.

by CDRS on May 24, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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