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Gregg Doyel, Villainous Incompetent Turd

[Two Three postscripts to this.  First, here's a quick history of Doyel's other Joe Paterno posts, and surprise!  They're pretty much the same.  Second, take in this MGoBlog post about John Calipari's dickish actions down at Kentucky. Gregg Doyel thinks this is totally fine.  To review: Joe Paterno, senile tyrant.  John Calipari, completely ethical.  Just so we're clear on Gregg Doyel's way of thinking.  6/23/09 update -- Third, this is obviously the action of a "selfish old man".]

I've been debating whether to address this, as it's already been detailed in Fanposts by ReadingRambler and psuphiman80, but I'd be neglecting my duties if I didn't call attention to the self-righteous idiocy of one Gregg Doyel, who currently has a blog entry on CBS Sportsline entitled "Joe Paterno, Selfish Old Man."  You can click if you want, it's okay.

Now, Joe Paterno doesn't exactly need me to defend him, but sometimes it's necessary and right to combat overbearing journalistic stupidity with the FJM Treatment:

Old isn't an insult, by the way. It's an adjective. If he were 35, I'd have titled this thing, "Joe Paterno, selfish young man."

Oh, well, "villainous" and "incompetent" aren't insults, by the way*.  If Doyel had any semblance of logic or decency, I'd have titled this thing, "Gregg Doyel, Minimally Coherent and Adequate Writer".

But he's old. And he's selfish. And why? Because he is campaigning for the Big Ten to expand by adding Syracuse, Pittsburgh or Rutgers. "Not in that order," he says.  Like the order matters. What matters is this: Those three schools already have a home -- the Big East.

Ahh, but Doyel is indeed villainous and incompetent.  Why?  Because nobody can be stupid enough to not account for the fact that there are a lot of Big East schools who used to call other conferences home, such as Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida.  This is reality.  Reality evolves.

But Paterno doesn't care about that. He's lobbying for his BCS league to grow, at the expense of another BCS league. We've been through this before, when the ACC knocked down fences and screwed up yards with its tractor by taking from the Big East for its big expansion. That was ugly. The ACC was selfish.  And now Paterno wants the Big Ten to be selfish, at the expense -- and possibly the death -- of the Big East.

I fail to understand why it is the job of Joe Paterno or Jim Delany to look out for the Big East.  Not their problem.  If Doyel was crying about the Big East poaching Louisville, Cincinnati and USF from poor little Conference USA a few years ago, well, good for him. It's still whiny and irrelevant.

But seriously, we're worried about the long-term viability of the Big East?  There isn't a football program among them that could've finished in the top three of any other BCS conference last season -- and that's being very, very charitable to the Big East, with the full-blown admission that the Big Ten isn't in the best condition right now. 

Classy, JoePa. Hey, wait. Is that a siren? Was another of your players just arrested?

An admonishment for Paterno not living up to Doyel's standards of classiness, followed by a douchey swipe at the man who has coached for over 40 years without even the hint of NCAA violations?  Well played, sir.  Well played.

It's a hit piece, and isn't not even a mediocre one.  It makes Outside The Lines look like Woodward and Bernstein.

Obviously the Big East is on shaky ground. No one's saying that league is in solid shape. It's waiting for a hyena to come pick at its struggling body, and Paterno is sharpening his greedy little teeth.

Beautiful.

Of course, "greedy" isn't an insult.  It's just an adjective.  If Doyel is so concerned for the poor widdle Big East, maybe he should encourage them to, I don't know, not suck.  Or do anything football-related that somebody other than Gregg Doyel might give a damn about.  But his post isn't intended to rush to defend the honor of the Big East -- it's just a vehicle from which he can take a very random swipe at Joe Paterno.

Conferences change.  Joe Paterno may be one of college football's greatest humanitarians, but he's not some sort of Football Jesus that can heal the blind and sick conferences of the world.  He's a Big Ten coach.  That's where his allegiance lies, unsavory and contentious as it may appear to be at times.  But he's apparently the asshole because he merely suggested(!) that a team like Syracuse, which was looking to bolt the Big East when the conference alignments were shuffled a few years ago, could be a good candidate for the Big Ten despite the fact that it might negatively impact Penn State's recruiting.

Honestly, what would happen if the Big Ten poached one current Big East team?  Big East teams schedule another non-conference game?  The horror!  A current Big East basketball-only member like Villanova, Georgetown, or (heh) Notre Dame would ramp up for football purposes?  The conference would poach another team a conference further down the football food chain, like Marshall, East Carolina, or Delaware?  O NOEZ.  

Retire already.

Yeah, yeah, listen to your own advice and all that.  Too easy.  The truth of the matter is, this is the worst kid of "flaming bag of dog crap on the porch" journalism, fueled by a desperate need for attention and web traffic.  But for future use, he could always take the advice of some of his commenters at CBS Sportsline:

Star-divide

Should he take the same approach to his recruiting? "Gee, I would really like the best middle linebacker prospect in the country to play for my Lions, but Purdue has had some down years... maybe I ought to let them have a crack at him instead?"
"Doyel's Dribbles" really applies to his father, who should have pulled out instead of foisting this incompetent and whiny malcontent upon the world. Talk about "selfish" -- Duh-yel's old man should have hand-jobbed instead.
I think I've figured out Doyel's purpose on CBS. He's a terrible writer and pretty much just a dumb blowhard that incites intelligent people to post about a subject. Thank God we have these threads after an article to read? Can you imagine if the site didn't allow that?

So here's a perfect example. Doyel writes a completely idiotic piece that makes no sense. It results in six or seven intelligent posts from people about the subject of expanding the Big Ten. So my time is not completely wasted thanks to the posters after the stupid article....thanks guys.
This man has donated almost as much money to Penn State University than the university has paid him throughout his 6 decades of employment with that same university. Calling Joe Paterno selfish for wanting to expand the Big 10 at the expense of the Big East is like calling Santa Claus greedy for eatting the all cookies left for him at the expense of the parents late night snacking.
I've been doing some research and just can't find what I'm looking for... can someone please direct me to the article this dumba** wrote bashing the bigeast for taking teams from Conference USA?  A mid level bigeast team like RU, Spitt, or Cuse leaving wouldn't destroy the conference by itself, they could just take another replacement from C-USA anyway.
Almost every comment on this board is about what a bad writer you are.  Hilarious.  If you have an agent or publicist you should double their salary for helping you to get a job.  Its truly amazing that our unemployment rate in the US is higher than its been in my lifetime, yet you still have a job. CBS, if a decision has to be made whether to layoff Skippy, the guys who cleans up trays in the CBS cafeteria, or Doyel, please make the right choice. What a joke. 

 

* - "Turd", however, remains an insult.

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BUT PLEASE

Don’t actually click on it.

by Kevin HD on May 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's no-follow'd

I think I did it right.

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by Run Up The Score on May 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure no-follow actually does anything in this situation

it will prevent search engines from using that link in promoting the “popularity” or “rank” of the site, but I don’t think it will prevent CBS from registering a hit to his page, which is likely all they use for their hitcount anyway.

by The JuggerNitt on May 28, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, they still make money, but it’s the best we can do.

by Kevin HD on May 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hitcount

Sounds also villainous. Wonder what the hitcount of blogistani readers is who wouldn’t mind a pop in the old chops of Vin Douchel?

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on May 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is easy, use this formula

n = the number of hitcounts the site records
2^n = number of people who want to pop the old chops of Vin Douchel

by The JuggerNitt on May 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you're just showin' off,

but it’s cool.

Real smart, fanatically obsessive football freaks are fine representatives for PSU. At least as far as I’m concerned.

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on May 30, 2009 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Villainous Turd

You know that you suck the big one when RUTS busts out the Villainous Turd insult.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on May 28, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I fail to understand why it is the job of Joe Paterno or Jim Delany to look out for the Big East."

Perhaps the Conference USEast been found to be incompetent by a court of law? They may legally be unable to think for themselves.

(That would certainly match my assessment of their ability to understand and rationally participate in major college football.)

by Aaron PSU on May 28, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a joke

this isn’t the first time he’s written negatively about Paterno. It’s amazing, you really can’t stay away, b/c you want to see what stupid things he “writes” about next.

by Screen Name 20 on May 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what

I kinda like this. It’s the off-season, and, bless his heart, he’s trying to give us something to talk about.

Or maybe he’s just a jackass. Either way, it’s still nice of him.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doyel

is a total strap-job…

Poking fun of Paterno is just too easy…

he talks about sirens…why don’t you look at Florida…14 arrests…or Memphis with the Derrick Rose SAT flop…or the multitude of other schools that have had way more trouble in recent months…

Try making a point next time and look at ALL of the facts, not just the ones that support your weak ass argument or opinion.

PSU Softball

by QBsneak12 on May 28, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't you think that's asking a little too much?

I mean it is hard enough to have to write a 209 word “article” as it is.

by The JuggerNitt on May 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because

Doyel went to Florida, went to HS in Georgia and had a father professor at Mississippi.

Suprising how someone from SEC country could so easily forget how the SEC took Arkansas in 1991 from the SWC, creating the beginning of the end for that conference. . Let us remember that the poor little SWC at the time was marred by scandal and could ill afford to lose one of its founding members. But it happened because the SEC wanted to expand, offered an invite and Arkansas accepted. Thats how it works.

Yet somehoe he forgot and wrote this story. Probably to boost his readership. So CBS can sell more adspace. So he can get more money…. That seems selfish to me…. Gregg Doyel. Selfish, Uneducated man.

by swiggy04 on May 28, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was half expecting the article to end

with ERIN ANDREWS ERIN ANDREWS ERIN ANDREWS

World F#$king Champions

by psudrozz on May 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm a bit disappointed, RUTS

I thought for sure this would be a perfect time for the “The Stupid It Burns” tag.

"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."

by IcersGuy on May 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Obligatory...

"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."

by IcersGuy on May 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NCAA

needs to blow up the current conference system and re-align teams. I know that these teams move for money, but a lot of these conferences and the teams in them don’t make sense. Louisville, Cincinnati, Depaul, and Marquette don’t belong in the Big East. Boston College shouldn’t be in the ACC.

by PABroncofan on May 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big shout from the West Coast!

Paragon in the hizzy…..

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on May 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here it is
fueled by a desperate need for attention and web traffic

by Cairo on May 28, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There are no words in the English language...

…that can describe the level of contempt I have for this “man.” He must go home and high five his reflection in the mirror after every “column,” because there’s no way in hell anyone could possibly stand to be in the same room with that guy for more than 4 seconds…

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on May 28, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone want to get together and start firegreggdoyle.com? It could be what FJM was for Bill Plaschke.

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on May 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know

It would be nice if someone picked up the torch FJM carried.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 28, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plaschke and FJM

Every now and then, I go back and read this: http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/10/what-fucking-language-is-this.html

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 28, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer this

I was kidding about actually starting a site about Doyle, but I do wish that someone took the FJM torch.

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on May 28, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit

This

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on May 28, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This guy doesn't even deserve a website calling for his firing.

Him and his chin-pubes just need to be forgotten. I’m already disturbed that this jagoff got a fanshot, fanpost, AND a main page article addressing this obvious troll.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on May 28, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the offseason

I offer no apologies!

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on May 28, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big East

Wow… I guess this answers the question, how many people actually pay attention to Big East football. Exactly One.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on May 28, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State." - Chris Carter

by xozte on May 28, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this guy also thinks, people are fools who don't like this LeBronmania

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State." - Chris Carter

by xozte on May 28, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is one thing I like, and that's his skills of logic

“Oh no, you misunderstood me. Douche bag wasn’t intended as an insult, it’s just an adjective!”
OR
“Shithead? psh. Sir, thats just an adjective, not an insult!”
OR
“When I said, ‘Your wife sounds hot’, I didn’t mean I’d like to break up your marriage, that’s simply a possessive pronoun, a noun, a verb, and an adjective.”

by dawsonPSU10 on May 28, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mgoblog

Brian better be careful taking that holier than thou attitude

by speedomike on May 29, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Doyel - the jerk store called, they're all out of you!

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on May 29, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yo T-Bone....

T-BONE!!

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on May 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doyel's an idiot, but...

let’s clear some things up…

I fail to understand why it is the job of Joe Paterno or Jim Delany to look out for the Big East. Not their problem. If Doyel was crying about the Big East poaching Louisville, Cincinnati and USF from poor little Conference USA a few years ago, well, good for him. It’s still whiny and irrelevant.

The ACC raid of the Big East, and the move of USF, Cinci, and Louisville from CUSA to the Big East were completely different animals. Negotiations regarding the former were almost entirely secret until they went public (with Big East league officials learning about the plan from the news media). The latter was put together with the full knowledge and cooperation of CUSA, and Big East officals helped the non-FBS football schools in CUSA find new homes as CUSA wanted to become an all-sports league.

But seriously, we’re worried about the long-term viability of the Big East? There isn’t a football program among them that could’ve finished in the top three of any other BCS conference last season — and that’s being very, very charitable to the Big East, with the full-blown admission that the Big Ten isn’t in the best condition right now.

Really? I’m pretty sure Cinci, WVU, and Pitt were quite capable of playing with Michigan State (Big Ten #3), Oregon State (Pac 10 #3; Oregon State won the Sun Bowl over Pitt, but it was only 3-0, not exactly a blowout, though the Rogers brothers were out for that game), and Ole Miss (SEC #3). Maybe Texas Tech (Big 12 #3), too; their win over Texas in retrospect looks like something of a major upset.

A current Big East basketball-only member like Villanova, Georgetown, or (heh) Notre Dame would ramp up for football purposes?

There are no basketball-only members of the Big East. There are members that don’t play Big East football (of which only ND plays FBS football at all), but the only school that’s a Big East member for one sport is Loyala for women’s lacrosse.

by drothgery on May 29, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's hypothetical to a point.

With respect to the “third best” argument, I looked through the results of the top Big East teams from last year. Could those teams “play with Michigan State”? Sure. But I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that, overall, those Big East teams would’ve been far more likely to lose to teams like MSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Northwestern (and even crappy ol’ Illinois) than those Big Ten teams losing to teams like WVU, Pitt, USF, etc. And that’s fully recognizing that Pitt snuck by Iowa last year. But it’s subjective, this is true. That’s why we’re here, after all.

As for the “basketball-only” thing, there’s really just football and basketball in terms of what is important to 95% of fans. That’s why it was phrased like that. Thanks for the clarification about the CUSA thing.

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by Run Up The Score on May 29, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The basketball-only thing is a pet peeve of mine

… because it implies some sort of tenuous one-sport connection, ala Temple’s membership in the Big East football conference prior to being kicked out due to sucking and inability to get anyone to show up for the games.

… and I just realized that I didn’t mention the ACC at all. Where there’s very little question the Bearcats (and probably the ‘eers or Panthers) would have finished in the top 3 of the league; there’s a good reason why Cinci was ranked higher than VT going into the Orange Bowl (where they promptly layed an egg, granted).

by drothgery on May 29, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kicking out Temple

makes it so I don’t care if other conferences poach teams from them. They obviously understand that football (and collegiate athletics) is $ driven (why else kick Temple out), and so they should understand when a bigger, stronger, richer conference comes along and treats them the same.

by The JuggerNitt on May 29, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Temple was never really in

If you don’t play Big East basketball, you ain’t in the Big East.

by drothgery on May 29, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

another reason why the Big East should hardly be considered a conference

non all-sports conferences are creepy, and molest little children (or so I’ve heard)

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 2, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitt, Cincy, Rutgers & UConn

Can compete against a Michigan State, Iow or Wisconsin one week. But it’s the week in week out grind that’s a killer, ie Pitt might beat Iowa one week, but would lose to Wisconsin and Michigan State the next two. Ohio State? Forget about it.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on May 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of what I meant, but it got all convoluted.

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by Run Up The Score on May 29, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but...

… no one else in the Big Ten beats Ohio State either (well, you guys do about twice a decade). To finish third in the Big Ten does not require beating Ohio State (and in fact probably means you lost to Ohio State; if you beat them, you finished no worse than second). Beating Indiana is not more difficult than beating my Orange or Louisville.

The Big East is not the MAC or the WAC with one or two decent teams and a lot of suck (the MWC is sort of a halfway house; it’s got five decent teams, of which one — Utah — is really good, and four truly awful teams). the Big East is six decent teams and two bad ones (of which my Orange are one). No one was a BCS title contender last year, and Cinci lost the Orange bowl. But the three years before that we won our BCS game.

by drothgery on May 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

JoePa is 3-5 against Tressel. I’ll let you do the math on that one. Not gaudy, but certainly solidifies that OSU is not a team comprised of demigods like everyone seems to think…

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on May 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really is amazing

We sucked so, so, so horribly that year, and the refs still had to steal that game for OSU to win.

EPIC BUCKEYE FAIL

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jun 2, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for this assertion...

“the Big East is six decent teams and two bad ones (of which my Orange are one). No one was a BCS title contender last year, and Cinci lost the Orange bowl. But the three years before that we won our BCS game.”

Cincy – 26 point loss to OU, 13 pt loss to Va Tech
UConn – 26 point loss to UNC, bowl win over Buffalo (sweet)
UL – 25 point loss to UK,
Pitt – 10 point loss to Bowling Green (lol), fluke win against Iowa, scored ZERO points against Oregon State
RU – 17 point loss to Fresno, 32 point loss to UNC, 2 point loss to Navy
USF – Actually no OOC losses…probably the only credit to the conference
Syracuse – Well, I guess you know all about that already…
WVU – 21 point loss to ECU, 3 point loss to Colorado

So you see, really, the Big East was quite irrelevant on the national level, and really, mediocre at best. Hence, the author’s premise of a Big East team not cracking the Top 3 of any other conference is incredibly reasonable.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on May 31, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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