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Okay, so I'm sick of sitting around waiting for Penn State news to break. So when there is nothing newsworthy to talk about, a good blogger makes something up. So let's talk about how Penn State is doing in recruiting for the offense this year. I'll have another post for the defense maybe tomorrow. We'll go through it by position.

Quarterbacks

Projected Need: 2

Verbal Commits: Paul Jones


With Daryll Clark running out of eligibility after the 2009 season and Kevin Newsome being the only other scholarship quarterback, it's imperative that Penn State bring in two quarterbacks in this class. They did fantastic in landing Paul Jones who both recruiting services consider to be one of the top five quarterbacks in the country.

But they can't stop there. We desperately need some depth to foster competition. Penn State is pushing hard for Robert Bolden and Barry Brunetti of Michigan and Tennessee respectively. Both guys are highly rated and hold a fist full of offers from all of the major programs in the country. Surprisingly, both guys are high on Penn State despite the fact the competition is going to be tough with Newsome and Jones. If Penn State can pull off the coup and get one of these guys we will easily have the best quarterback recruiting class in the country.

But personally, I'm not counting on getting either one of them. I think it's more likely that once they both decide to go play somewhere else you will see Penn State grab a three star kid from Maryland or the WPIAL.

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Running Backs

Projected Need: 1

Verbal Commits: Silas Redd

Penn State is loaded with running backs. Royster and Carter have two years left. Green and Beachum have three. Curtis Dukes joins the team this summer. And now we have Silas Redd.

But State is still pursuing running backs. Specifically, they're looking at Corey Brown, Braylon Heard, and Marcus Lattimore. I think our chances are slim with all of them due to our overloaded depth chart. And I think it's all or nothing with these kids. It's one of those cases where you swing for the fences and take your chances. If you get lucky and hit a home run you find a way to make room for the kid. But, again, I think Silas Redd will be the only running back you see Penn State take in this class.

Receivers

Projected Need: 2

Verbal Commits: Adrian Coxson

If you're going to run a spread offense, you need a lot of wide receivers. Penn State brought in six guys in the last class that can all play wide receiver. But with guys like Zug, Brackett, McDonald, and Cousins all running out of eligibility soon there is room to take a few kids.

Coxson is a huge get. Scout recently re-evaluated him and gave him a fifth star and ranked him the #2 receiver in the country. But Penn State is still going after a few guys. They seem to be going after California receiver Kenny Stills and State College High receiver Alex Kenney the hardest. Getting Stills away from home state USC is going to be tough, but landing Kenney seems to be a foregone conclusion and just a matter of time.

Tight Ends

Projected Need: 1

Verbal Commits: None

Penn State can be selective here since they have Szczerba, Wedderburn, and Gilliam with plenty of eligibility. But time is running out for Shuler and Quarless, so they better get one or two in this class.

Kevin Haplea seems to be the top target. He speaks highly of Penn State, but he's enjoying playing the recruiting game and taking his visits. So right now anything can happen there. In general it seems like a weak year for tight ends, so maybe Penn State is going to put all their eggs in this basket and wait until next year if they have to.

Offensive Line - Centers

Projected Need: 1

Verbal Commits:Miles Dieffenbach

With Shipley graduating we have a scholarship available. And with Wiz entering his junior year we need to start grooming a replacement to compete with Ty Howle. Dieffenbach is a good one, so consider Penn State done here.

Offensive Line - Guards

Projected Need: 2

Verbal Commits:Luke Graham, Tom Ricketts

The last class was heavy on tackles, so I figured they were going to focus more on the interior of the line in this class. With Graham and Ricketts on board I think this will do it for offensive guards.

Offensive Line - Tackles

Projected Need: 1

Verbal Commits: None

Like I said, the last class had Shrive and Arcidiacono. Ricketts and Graham are both 6'6" and kind of like tweeners. If they can put on the necessary weight and keep their athleticism it's conceivable one of them could grow into a tackle. So Penn State is going to be extremely selective here. It's going to be all-or-nothing with a few kids.

Overall Evaluation

So far, so great. You really can't ask for much more for the first week of June. Major needs have been addressed at quarterback, running back, wide receiver, and the offensive line. And the level of talent they are securing is out of this world with almost every kid having four or five stars with the recruiting services. This has the makings of a very special class, but there is still work to do.

They need another quarterback. He doesn't have to be anything special. A two or three star game manager-type would do just fine. Another wide receiver would be nice, but there is no need to waste a scholarship on a project kid. We need a tight end, but we can afford to be selective. If they fail to land one, it becomes a necessity next year. And finally, they could use one pure offensive tackle prospect to balance out the class which is currently heavy with interior linemen.

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no news is good news this time of year

seriously, don’t jinx it.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jun 10, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

QB

With PJ back in the fold, i’m more than happy taking a project (Daryll Clark) type QB. Find a QB that isn’t heavily recruited that has the skill set we need at QB (Mobile, Strong Arm, Room for growth,coachable) and get them. I’m assuming that they will give McGloin a scholarship after DC graduates, he is developing into a nice prospect, and threw the ball better then Newsome did during the spring game. he doesn’t have the upside, but he is a Big Red type of player.

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by QBsneak12 on Jun 10, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

also

I’m hopelessly optimistic about getting one of those two QB’s Bolden or Brunetti.

Bolden has said before he’s not shy about competing for a starting spot, and it won’t deter him from his decision. Also word on the street is that PJ’s lofty recruiting ranking is based soley on his measurables and athleticism and not his development as a QB. It’s all speculation and hype, but there’s a consistency to all the reports. I haven’t read once that he’s polished or refined in his mecahnics.

Brunetti and Bolden on the other hand are much, much further along with their mechanics and throwing than PJ. Both are regarded as (reletively) refined passers.

I’m just saying, temper your expectations of PJ… He may end up being the project type QB in this class.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jun 10, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

don't worry

I was one of the people boo’ing QB14 and screaming for Clark to be put in — starting in 2006 after the ND game.

During that Michigan game I was like “Morelli you suck! put Clark in!” and someone turns around “that is Clark” “oh, well woo woo! you go Clark! We’re gunna win this thing!”

I’m still bitter about that game.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jun 10, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

you and many others

but not me. no sir…

/whistles

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by psudrozz on Jun 10, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

PSU/OSU 2004

I witnessed the horror that resulted when Robinson started in place of injured Mills in Columbus. After seeing that display, I NEVER thought Robinson would make it as a Division 1 quarterback. His resurgence in 2005 was one of the biggest (and most pleasant) surprises I’ve ever known. Goes to show you never can tell…

by BSM PSU 93 on Jun 10, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all of us booers defense

MRob had 3 or 4 aweful turnovers against NORTHWESTERN, in the first half. This was after not doing anything too spectacular in OOC matchups, and after some very shaky QB play in 2003-2004 (where he basically only had 1 play: run to the right)

For the record I was “booing” that Robinson, not the Robinson who emerged in the second half of the Northwestern game, and never looked back.

Also, I never technically booed Robinson (I think it is pretty classless to boo your own players/coaches, unless they are dicks), but I was wholeheartedly chanting for Morelli (ugh, I think I need to take a shower now, I feel so dirty)

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 10, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kenny Stills (WR, California)...

Maybe things have changed since he got offered by USC, but he’s been saying for a while that he really doesn’t want to stay on the west coast and has been pretty high on PSU from the get go… could be another nice addition to the WR hawl, as he is tearing up the football camp circuits

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on Jun 10, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Stills

For awhile it was believed he would verbal the minute he got his USC offer but now that he wasn’t in their immediate plans he’s decided to look around. He’s also been getting more national attention. If he visits PSU has a shot.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 10, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our next QB Target

“He doesn’t have to be anything special. A two or three star game manager-type would do just fine.”

I understand your intent, but I don’t want anyone on the roster who does not think that they can compete for a starting job. We cannot waste a scholarship to add a warm body to the roster. Remember, we have Matt McGloin, Shane McGregor, and John Kelly on the roster now. I have not idea how competitive any of these kids are, but I’d say we don’t need any perennial backups. We were better off having Pat Devlin, and we will be better off having another QB of Devlin’s caliber waiting in the wings and trying to compete.

by Dinsdale on Jun 10, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

The Drake

Isn’t there also a chance that they would make The Drake a QB? Given the number of recruits coming in at WR, I can’t see needing any extra bodies there. Plus, his style would certainly fit their offensive scheme.

by cpm126 on Jun 10, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

He might get a shot

but it’s unlikely that he’ll he a ton of time at QB.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 10, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking

he would fill a Cianciolo(sp?) role. Also, if they did land two QB’s in this recruiting class, redshirting one or both of them would become more of an option.

by cpm126 on Jun 10, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

The Drake is a fantastic athlete. He will see the field at WR for an extended period of time before he leaves PSU.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 10, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talent

It’s one thing to get all the four and five star kids, but it ultimately comes down to the job the coaching staff does developing them. In the beginning of the decade we were doing a terrible job of this, but we seem to have a system down. Look at Fat Charlie over at ND, he got all those kids and they are still struggling. I’d be more than happy with a 2 or 3 star recruit if the coaching staff feels they can develop him into a big time player. East Carolina is only getting these kids and Skip Holtz is starting to build something there.

by cjj127 on Jun 10, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Stars/rating

I know the number of stars doesn’t mean everything but we have to continue to focus on getting the top rated kids. If we get 10 four star kids at least 3 or 4 will most likely not work out. Therefore, if a class only gets 2 and 3 star kids the results REALLY don’t look too promising.

by shiloh on Jun 10, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Stars vs. offers

I tend to take the stars under advisement, but I pay attention more to offers. If a kid is seeing interest from Michigan, Florida, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, and Texas I think it’s safe to assume he’s really good. If his offer list includes Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers, and Temple, he’s probably pretty good, but not going to be an All American. But I think these players are more than adequate if you’re just looking to fill out a roster with some depth.

I get nervous when I see kids with just a handful of offers from MAC and Conference USA schools or no offers at all. These are the kids I look at with a skeptical eye. But even that doesn’t necessarily mean they suck. Kids that go to a small school have a tough time getting noticed. Some kids don’t know how to play the recruiting game. Their high school coaches don’t feel motivated to get involved by calling up programs and sending tape on them. Or maybe the kid is too poor to travel around the country to participate in these camps and combines to get noticed that way.

It’s always a crap shoot. There are indicators you can look at, and for me stars are moderately low on the list.

by BSD on Jun 10, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Couldn’t agree more with that comment. There are kids on ESPN’s “On the Trail” updates that have a grade of 40, but are drawing some big name schools.

by cjj127 on Jun 10, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

d'anton lynn

was a great example of stars vs. offers

kid had 3 stars on rivals (3 on scout, updated to 4 when usc offered), but offers from Fla, OSU, USC, etc.

ever since then, for me at least, it usually boils down to who offered and if LJ Sr. recruited him.

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by psudrozz on Jun 10, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Astorino

Isn’t that basically describing him? Two stars and an offer from Akron?

by The Mess on Jun 10, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

And Astorino didn’t play the recruiting game with an interview every week, going to the camps, and making a summer visit tour to all the schools he hoped would offer. He chose instead to focus on the basketball season where he led his team to the state championship. As a result he ended up with I think two stars and everyone said we were wasting a scholarship when he got an offer late in the game. Now he’s going to be a starter in his sophomore year.

by BSD on Jun 10, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Recruiting and stars

It’s a good feeling the kids we offer end up being rated as 4 or 5 stars by the scouting service. But I don’t get upset when some perceived hot 5 star recruit does not get an offer from Penn State. The scouting service only looks at the kids athletic ability while the recruiters also consider their values, desire to excel on and off the field and are they coach able.

by ageing lion on Jun 10, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the coach issue.

The son of a friend of mine is an excellent wrestler and was interested in PSU. He sent out stuff (film, grades, etc) to some of the schools he was interested in and his coach was to send stuff to some schools including PSU. For one reason or another the coach never sent the stuff to PSU and so the kid never got his offer. He now wrestles for WVU and happened to talk to the PSU coach who was recruiting him who told him he was a lock in for an offer but never since they didn’t receive his stuff they assumed he wasn’t interested. Now that there is a new excellent coach at PSU he is pretty bitter about the whole thing.

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by psu on Jun 10, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

High school coaches play a big role

College coaches find a lot of their recruits through the high school coaches calling them up and saying, “Hey, you might want to take a look at this kid.”

by BSD on Jun 10, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

by telling kids, “hey, you should check out school X, the coaches there are great/I went there/they’ve paid me $1000.”

by Tailgate Shogun on Jun 10, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably silly of me to even think something like this

but I hope that we weren’t just blindly offering highly rated kids. I really hope the coaches saw something in these players. I almost feel like a traitor for even thinking that, even though I know it’s probably not even remotely true. If there’s one thing PSU does better than any other school in respect to recruiting, it’s seeing talent instead of looking at a star rating. We’ve turned two star players into starters, because one of our coaches saw something special that most other top schools would overlook because they aren’t highly rated. Clark being the perfect definition of this.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 10, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt that the staff is star gazing

considering Joe is the be all end all of offers, I doubt he’s checking Rivals for the latest rankings.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 10, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like I said

I don’t think it’s the case, but I have bad memories of QB14, who seemed to be lauded for the shotgun attached to the right side of his torso, and not much else. But hey, we all make mistakes, I’m sure they thought at the time he could actually be developed as an effective QB.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 10, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones' mobility

while not like MRob’s or Newsomes’ he is definitely more mobile than QB14. JayPa has seemingly done better with moblie QBs in his time so I’m more optimistic.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 10, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lattimore

I live right in Lattimore’s backyard and its great to see him considering PSU. I really don’t think we will be the ultimate choice, but PSU has recruited him hard. I work at a hotel down here and Coach Kenney and LJ Sr have stayed here a few times to visit with him. I think Lattimore really likes both, hence why he is giving us a shot.

by cjj127 on Jun 10, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Evaluation

It appears Penn State is doing an outstanding job recruiting. This early season success hopefully will continue throughout the recruiting season. Recruits interested in winning rings might glance at who PSU has already landed and then seeing the solid early season recruits decide PSU will be one of the top programs in coming years and commit there themselves.

As for recruiting a 2-3 star QB… I don’t see a problem with that strategy. A 4 star would be nice but as in the case with Devlin; top players want to play and if their not playing they might transfer creating a hole in the roster.

by whistlinwill on Jun 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats true about playing time but...

You don’t reload by simply roster filling with 2 star kids. If you offer a kid, be honest and tell him there will be competition, if he is still in, bring him in. Stockpile. As long as you don’t lie to kids about playing time, it is fine by me. Depth and the ability to reload with a stable of guys is what makes for sustained success. Also you never know which may work out and which may not. If we have say, Newsome, PJ, and a third 4 star kid odds are 1 won’t work out for one reason or another, it happens.

Also if someone just wants to be handed PT, he doesn’t belong.

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by Roland86 on Jun 10, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Stockpile. As long as you don't lie to kids about playing time"

cough…U$C…cough….cough. Pardon me, I’m still getting over a bit of a cold.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 10, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect your opinion but...

I don’t think acquiring another top quarterback is vital to this year’s recruiting class. If PSU gets one no harm done but my strategy would be to focus on recruiting a 4 or 5 star QB for 2011. The staggered effect would allow for the quarterbacks to play for more than one year before they graduate.

by whistlinwill on Jun 10, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, its not vital, I agree

But if you have options, 1. is getting top notch 4/5 talent 2. is getting a 2/3 kid who has upside 3. is walk on/unknown. Right now we still have a shot at option 1, so go with that but have a backup plan.

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by Roland86 on Jun 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be clear

Penn State is going after two four star quarterbacks on top of PJ. They should go after the best talent out there right up until the end.

But at the same time, you need to have a backup plan. You don’t want to get stuck with one five star kid and three walk ons you plucked off the IM field on your team, because if Johnny Five-Star doesn’t work out or gets hurt, you’re screwed. So at some point you have to cut your losses and get a decent kid to fill in if you have an emergency.

So when I say PSU will probably end up with a two or three-star kid, I’m not saying that should be the goal. The goal is always to fill your roster with the top four or five quarterbacks in the country. But since the chances of that happening are slim, taking a two or three star kid to fill out the roster isn’t a bad thing if the alternative is taking a walk on.

by BSD on Jun 10, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just watched the 1987 Fiesta Bowl

and they showed a photo that showed Miami had Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly, and Vinnie Testaverde on the team at the same time (obviously different year/class, but still, that’s sick).

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

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