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You can tell the calendar is about to flip to July. Everyone is starting to pick apart schedules and rosters and looking into the crystal ball to identify the haves and have nots for this upcoming college football season. As you can probably guess, not many people have anything nice to say about Penn State and the Big Ten.


I can assume we will see a weekly feature from now until January of Dennis Dodd ripping the Big Ten.

Here's my best example for how average the Big Ten has become: Penn State has to replace 12 starters (the most in the league), including its entire secondary. It is a twisted ankle at quarterback away from finishing fifth. A good, not great, group of receivers have to be replaced by what might be good, not great, group of receivers.

Still, the Nittany Lions are a virtual pick-'em with Ohio State to go to the Rose Bowl.

By the way, the Rose Bowl is going to be it for the conference champ.  I don't see a national title contender in the bunch. The letters U, S and C will burn the ears of Big Ten loyalists. USC has beaten Big Ten teams by a combined 60 points the past three Januarys. The Trojans will likely be waiting in Pasadena to lay the smack down once again.

Does guy do any, like, journalism? Or is he just paid to rehash the same tired argument week-in and week-out?

ESPN takes a slightly different approach. Mark Schlabach arranges imaginary conference matchups. Then he plays these games out in his head and declares the Pac-10 is better than the Big Ten while offering witty one-liners like this one.

Indiana vs. Southern California
Honestly, it doesn't matter which Big Ten team plays USC. Even the Hoosiers could play the Trojans as well as the rest of the Big Ten teams did the past few seasons.

I'm really tired of hearing about the Big Ten's Rose Bowl failures as evidence of the Big Ten's weakness. USC has been the opponent in a virtual home game every year, so if anything you could say USC would be the best team in the Big Ten. I'm pretty sure I saw Penn State kick Oregon State's ass last year, and the Beavers had a chance to win their conference on the last game of the season.

I actually would like to see a Big Ten/Pac-10 challenge, because I think the Big Ten would do better than 4-6, as Schlabach suggests.

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these USC arguments are so fuckin stupid……..who WOULDNT the Trojans have laid the smack down on last year ? Maybe Florida. To lose decisively to USC, last I checked, is hardly indicative of your team being weak. They are the only show in town in Cali. They should be laying the smack down on people. Why anyone would be surprised that USC has a letdown each year in that conference when they have a target on their back and can make every teams season game in and game out is well beyond me.

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by ech2os on Jun 16, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

USC

Honestly I think the Pac-10 champ is coming out of Oregon this year. I was very impressed with what Oregon State did after they played us (those brothers are nasty) and Oregon seems to be putting out decent teams recently. USC lost a ton of great players this year, granted they do have tons of top recruits to fill in their holes but they didn’t expect Sanchez to leave which means that their QB is going to have one less year of experience going into his first game than they had planned.

As for us “a good not great group of recievers needs to be replaced” did he not watch this group of WRs play? Maybe their individual talent wasn’t “great” but together they formed an excellent unit, which in football is way more important than having a single star WR. These guys collectively made themselves top 10 PSU wide outs. I have faith in the guys replacing them, they have plenty of talent and experience, the only reason they haven’t played is because of the talent of the three starters. I think Penn State is the class of the Big 10 this year which admittedly is in a bit of a rut but I would say is better than the Pac-10. My biggest question though is why people are drooling over Ohio State.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 16, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad we didn't schedule a home and home with OrSU

probably would have boosted our SOS, and most importantly would have kept one of those freaking cupcakes off the schedule.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

This year does blow for OOC games. I am really excited for the next 6 years though between Bama, Virginia and Rutgers (hoping they keep up their recent success). If we could schedule two decent (doesn’t have to be top 25 but better than Syracuse or about OrSU level or higher) teams a year we would be much better off I think.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 16, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curley

You should have added a link to Curley being named AD of the year in the Northeast. Clearly scheduling for basketball and football is not a requirement.

http://www.gopsusports.com/genrel/061609aab.html

by cjj127 on Jun 16, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait, I thought Curley was fired.

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by Run Up The Score on Jun 16, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish

I can only dream of this each night.

by cjj127 on Jun 16, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you met Fugimaster?

Tee hee hee. ;)

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

"5 questions with..."

Nice to see that kid getting a few questions with PSU athletes. I hope the program doesn’t come down too hard on the players — I imagine they’re not crazy about players doing non-sanctioned interviews like that.

(Which is stupid, I know, but that’s how athletic departments/programs can be sometimes.)

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by Run Up The Score on Jun 16, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

His questions seem pretty off topic though. Not really related to PSU sports.

by BSD on Jun 16, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theoretically

What justification would the Administration have for being upset? They don’t recognize blogs as legitimate media sources, so how can they control athletes from talking to them? It’s kind of like writing something on someone’s Facebook wall.

by BSD on Jun 16, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a great point

The internet revolution is just proving how powerless administrations and the NCAA are. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lane Kiffin has 100 more violations with all this stuff.

by cjj127 on Jun 16, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Logic ain't got nothin' to do with it.

But you know that already. I imagine that a certain head coach would not be happy with his players giving random interviews, even on benign topics like that.

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by Run Up The Score on Jun 16, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

SpartyMSU = comedy gold

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2008/8/1/584701/spartymsu-2008-predictions

I’m pretty sure I saw Penn State kick Oregon State’s ass last year

Mark May thinks you’re insane.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Oregon, who is one of the

PAC-10’s second tier darlings had to go to OT to defeat a pretty shitty Purdue team. I watched the end of that game and seem to remember Purdue basically having the game won until they decided to go into some stupid let’s waste clock and protect our lead mode. Now, in Oregon’s defense, I think they may have had their punter playing quarterback for a period of time.

by cpm126 on Jun 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That game was tough to watch, and I only caught the last quarter and OT

I was pulling for the Tiller’s to knock off a ranked opponent (I don’t remembered if we had played them yet or not)

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 16, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

We hadn't played them yet

It would have been nice if they won, but they still had to go and lose to Notre Dame.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured

which was why I was probably watching it. Leave it to Purdue to blow consistently.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 16, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

this whole thing made my head hurt.

"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno

by letsgopsu on Jun 16, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misc

Man a lot going on in the news with PSU. JoePa will be on “College Football Live” today at 3:30.

Also PSU football generated $53M last year. Some big numbers at the top.

http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/stories/2009/06/15/daily2.html

by cjj127 on Jun 16, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Dodd

Is nothing more than an SEC homer. He is on the local sports talk radio in the fall and is ALWAYS dowing the Big Ten regardless. There is no such thing as objective journalism anymore. Everyone has an agenda and those who bark loudest get heard.

"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."

by Touchdown on Jun 16, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I meant "downing" the Big Ten

"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."

by Touchdown on Jun 16, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dodd
Does guy do any, like, journalism? Or is he just paid to rehash the same tired argument week-in and week-out?

Yeah, I think that sums up Dodd pretty well. In fact I would even say he rehashes the same tired argument year-in and year-out. His opinions are always flat out ignorant.

by Brett Brown on Jun 16, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Did he mention that JoePa is old?

Because then he’s covered all the bases.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Jun 16, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to Nitt Pick ON 22,000+

But after a quick scan on the posts on the front page, all that glared at me was the first sentence of almost every post…

“So here we are…”

Or some variant of that. I don’t like being a grammar/writing/spelling ass, but once I noticed it, I couldn’t stop noticing it.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Jun 16, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point

thanks, editing as we speak. Didnt notice that til now.

As far as off topic…everybody asks the same questions. give people a different view on things

by Flyersman on Jun 16, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schlabach's match-ups

Now, I didn’t bother to watch the accompanying video (decided it wasn’t worth my time), but looking at his match-ups, I don’t see how he could have come to the conclusion, that the Big Ten would lose 4-6 unless it’s just a cheap shot. If you take out the gimmes (USC would crush IU, Ohio St would crush Washington and Wiscy may not be great, but I can’t see them losing to a terrible WSU team), that means he gas the Big Ten losing the actual competitive games 2-5. I think I’d actually favor the Big Ten in most of those games, except maybe the NW/Oregon St match-up.

by Brett Brown on Jun 16, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I must admit

I would be pretty stoked to play Oregon.

by BSD on Jun 16, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their uniforms would catch on fire if they saw our unis.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their unis aren’t on fire already?

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jun 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by on fire you mean

The flaming pile of dog poop you leave on someone’s front doorstep after ringing their doorbell, then yes they are on fire.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the show now...

I think they noted the “curious” match-up as PSU v Cal…and one of them stated Cal would surprise.

I would agree, a non-conf game v Cal would be cool…bring it on!

"...goon-a-la-goun-ga...gung-ga-la-gun-ga...he said; there will be no money exchanged..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Jun 16, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all over that one!!!

Dirty Hippies!

Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD

by bconway6 on Jun 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just shaken my head...again

@ the Rose Bowl “home game”…it bores me to TEARS whenever this subject comes up!

- and i can’t let it go either…

I think on the ESPNU show the other day, Adam & the guys were talking on this Big10 / Pac10 virtual match-up. One of them noted playin the Rose Bowl in Detroit. Adam was all over it (if i recall correctly)…

Me thinks U$C / Pac10 would not fare soooo well…

"...goon-a-la-goun-ga...gung-ga-la-gun-ga...he said; there will be no money exchanged..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Jun 16, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Idea

I’ve been sitting around with some free time and google earth and a calculator. The geographical midpoint between the center points of each conference is at 40.38453591N, 102.7853436 W which is in NE Colorado… Let’s build a stadium there, about 4 miles NE of Lone Star, CO and every year we’ll play a Big 10/Pac 10 round robin football tournament.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 16, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

The idea of a 200,000+ seat stadium sitting in the middle of a county with <1 person per square mile was really appealing. We could call it the Great Stadium of Washington County and it could join the Great Wall of China as one of the only visible man made objects from space.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 16, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was that line in "Field of Dreams"....

“If you build it…they will come”? Or something like that.

Rogue Nine…I say “Go for it”!

by PaJoe on Jun 16, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I firmly believe that we should build a giant stadium in the center of the United States (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=44.966667%2C%20-103.766667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl), and play the national championship game there every year.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or we could build it in the center of the 48 states: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=44.966667%2C%20-103.766667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same link^

I was about to say forget Hawaii and Alaska and build it in Kansas City or something.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 16, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: Kansas City

No metropolitan area, I want it in the middle of nowhere. AKA, north-central Kansas.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right about here

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.828175%2C%20-98.5795&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

Give or take a couple of miles.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

It will be a home game for Nebraska or Kansas State. Of course, that assumes they get there!

by PaJoe on Jun 16, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kansas State

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c2iPs_EbNw

Been wanting to post that.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 16, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you wanted to build it between I-80 and I-70

Let’s just up the capacity of Beaver Stadium.

by PaJoe on Jun 16, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Progress

Dodd did say the big 10 is average. So…..yeah that’s progress

by speedomike on Jun 16, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I know this is going to get me yelled at

but with all of the USC bullshit, especially gems like this:

Indiana vs. Southern California
Honestly, it doesn’t matter which Big Ten team plays USC. Even the Hoosiers could play the Trojans as well as the rest of the Big Ten teams did the past few seasons.
not to mention the tOSU trolls and actual commenters constantly reminding us of our blowout loss to USC (while often ignoring how they’ve irreparably damaged the image of the conference with their 2 MNC disasters, as well as their suck-fest against USC this year, even without zOMG BEANIE “I have a boo-boo on my toe” WELLZZZZ).

I almost wish that OrST had won the conference with the head to head, and we could have played them again for the Rose Bowl, and most likely won. It would have been a pretty bad game, especially with their starters out. And I also realize the guy who wrote that article is 1) A complete idiot, and most likely has a well below 100 IQ, and 2) Has absolutely no journalistic credibility left (probably because he never had any to begin with.

But I still find that I’m incredibly torn on who I’d rather have played at the Rose Bowl in USC or OrST, even though it’s over with. OrSt, while it would have been a blow out win for us most likely, really deserved it for ruining USC’s championship run. Not only that, it would have pushed the Big Ten teams back a bowl since USC would obviously be going to a BCS bowl instead of tOSU to beat, most likely, Texas in the Fiesta. I ask myself: would we be getting this same bullshit spewed at us despite winning the Big10, and the Rose Bowl against a team we played twice that beat USC? Most likely, yes, but the USC embarrassment alone (not that anyone in the sports media would have dared to acknowledge it) in not only losing their chance at a national title, but not even being able to win their own conference. And maybe it would have deflected a little BS away from us and the rest of the conference now that all of the teams were pushed back a bowl level (tOSU to Cap1, etc.), meaning that we would have likely won the majority of our bowls instead of going 1-5 or whatever it was.

So I ask for help to solidify my wavering opinion. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but I’m just curious if someone can convince me there was some positive in losing to USC, especially with half of these media idiots with a two week correspondence course called "Typing incoherently out of your ass on the internet with no facts, or credibility to back you up.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 16, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Truthfully...

…is this really any different than the argument of the PSU bball team making a run in NIT vs a 1-and-done in the NCAA tourney?

I voted for the former last time, but honestly, I’d vote for the latter this time. I’m glad we played USC, and if not for one horrific, uncharacteristic quarter, we were in the game. And even though no one pays attention to this fact, we put up a bunch of yards/points on the OMG LOL GREATEST DEFENSE EVAR!!! We certainly repped the conference better than the past few B10 teams in the BCS, anyhow. Moreover, dumb as it sounds, I think we got more airtime and national exposure for losing to USC than we would’ve for beating OSU again.

That said, I wish that one thing was different…I wish OSU never made the BCS. Yeah, they kept it closer to Texas than I thought (which is ironic, since they made the comeback all in the 4th quarter, but then tell us our 4th quarter against USC doesn’t count…hmmmm), but if they were relegated to the Cap One (and so on, and so on), I think the B10 would’ve fared better in bowl games. A better bowl record = less media disrespect. Or, ya know, we could just play pansy-ass bowl matchups like the Pac-1 and Big Easy, then claim inter-conference dominance.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Jun 16, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

You’re right, it’s the Tourney v. NIT champ argument all over again. Except, probably the opposite result. It was better for our national image to lose to a high caliber team, whereas it was better for our BB program to continue to play in the post season, and prove how close they were to making it. We played an extremely good team (probably, as much as it hurts to say, the best team, granted they are still arrogant, undisciplined, and immature, which is one of the reasons they blow it almost every year), and yes, save one quarter, the game could have been much closer, and may have ended differently. Whereas the OrSU, while a guaranteed win, wouldn’t have gotten us as much national exposure and probably still wouldn’t have shut up the talking heads.

You’re also right, that this would be a completely different argument had tOSU not also gotten a BCS game. So I probably wouldn’t have the same feelings had they gotten bumped out of the BCS and gone to the Cap1 bowl, and left us the sole BCS representative (and IMO them also getting in kind of cheapens our success and undisputed Big10 championship).

I hope I didn’t come off as ungrateful that we made it to the Rose Bowl, because despite the loss, I really had a good time in CA, and watching the game, except for the 2nd qtr. I’m also extremely proud of what the team accomplished last year after they weren’t given much of a chance or respect, even when we were ranked #3 in the country. I guess all this constant bullshit coming from every analyst with half a brain is just starting to really get to me, although I should have grown accustom to it, since it’s the same argument every year.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 17, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Opinion

I’m glad we played USC. I always want to play the best to get a good gauge on where we stand compared to them. Yeah, we got beat bad, but now we know where we need to improve. Mainly in the secondary. Had we beat up on Oregon State again we would be feeling good about ourselves, but I think it would be a false sense of confidence in that we run the risk of becoming complacent. Maybe we would be cruising along thinking everything is fine and not realizing our secondary needs work.

by BSD on Jun 17, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Experience

I think that playing USC was the best thing for the team. The returning players learned a lot in that game about what sort of competition they would be facing this season if they aspirations of another Rose Bowl or Nat. Championship. I’m really looking forward to next year’s Bama match up so they will get a chance to do the same at the START of the season so they can work towards being able to compete with the best SEC/Big12 teams or if they are already there at that level.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

In hindsight it would be nice to have had a win

but if someone came to me and said, “ok, we’re gonna give you one more game to play, so that you can potentially end the season on a high note. Who would you like to play, USC or OrSt?” I’d still say USC.

I know we got “blown out” and I’m sure this is part homerism, but I still believe we could take 4/10 from them (especially on a neutral field…at the Rose Bowl or Colliseum it would probably be more like 3/10). Penn State had 1 bad quarter, and in that quarter it was really like 3 or 4 bad plays (some unnecessarily long passes, and Green’s fumble). Now we still had those bad plays, but that’s basically what the game hinged on, a handful of plays during a time when the momentum was certainly on their side. Halftime comes, and then it was Penn State’s turn to shine, but unfortunately everyone figured it was a foregone conclusion, and so they stopped paying attention to the game and supposedly started to discuss where everyone was gonna get drafted off of USC.

Yes, USC was the better team, I agreed with that before, and I agree with that still, but I don’t think they’re quite as good as people think they were in that game.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 17, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Royster doesn’t get injured, totally different ball game.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

by ReadingRambler on Jun 17, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

2nd half

Was our turn to shine, but it was almost unwatchable (or unlistenable) because of those jokers in the broadcast booth and their crushes on Mays and all things USC.

by confirmy on Jun 17, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's why you should have gone to the game

I really don’t know if I’ve ever felt prouder of our fan base than watching everyone stick around after we got “blown out” in the second quarter, and be loud (I mean really loud) all through the second half, especially the 4th quarter. Everyone believed in that team, and we almost scored at the end to bring it within 7, and if not for some really dumb clock management at the end, if we had scored, would have given us enough time to try for an onsides kick and another potential drive to tie it up.

And to Rambler, I completely agree about Royster. Not only would we have had a better running game, but then you also potentially don’t have that Green fumble (though really we probably still would have run that play, and Green still would have been the target, since that had been his signature play all season). Either way, though, I don’t think we would have had as many 3 and outs in the 2nd quarter with Royster in teh backfield.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Staying till the end

I felt the same pride you did. In fact, that was probably the loudest I heard the stadium the whole night. It was also nice to hear the USC fans that scalped tickets from some alumni, and were in the PSU section right in front of us shut the hell up for five minutes when we almost brought it within 7. We lost, but I really did have fun there.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

gah @ opposing fans in our sections

the closest USC fans to me were about 10-20 rows away, but when I went to the Orange Bowl there were FSU fans right in front of me, who stood doing the stupid tomahawk chop the whole time they were there (they left at some point and never came back), except when they would bitch about the people standing in front of THEM when all the PSU fans were getting loud. I was like, do these people seriously not understand fan dynamics?

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 18, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

USC fans

lucky you. It was actually getting kinda heated and ugly with the guys in front of us and some PSU fans behind us. You know it’s bad when the pokes at their fans are for not actually getting their degrees USC and yet being a fan. It’s kind of what you’d like to yell at every obnoxious domer who didn’t have half the requirements to get into ND, yet is still somehow a diehard. Needless to say, tensions and frustrations were high. Just a quick note, I am way to big of a pussy to partake in anything like this, I leave the bickering to other people, and more intoxicated people.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 18, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, Penn State has it's fair share of non-alum fans

so I don’t ever really try to use that angle, unless the person is being a particular asshole.

As for “partaking” in things like this: I have some sort of switch that gets flipped by people being dicks (to me, to my friends, or just to people around me that don’t deserve it) that triggers an automatic response where I say something equally or more assholish back to them. I’m really surprised I’ve never gotten my ass kicked.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 19, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean to imply that we don't have non-alum fans

but the PSU guys made it a specific counter argument to the USC assholes (and since we were in the alumni section with tix bought throught the university, it was a pretty fair bet to say the PSU fans around us were 95% graduates, or students in my and my sister’s case, or children of alumni.

I kind of wish I had the balls to start calling people out for being assholes, or being equally assholish back. Actually, the one time I did get the nerve to yell at the guys in front of us when they were standing up, while everyone was sitting, and there were kids sitting right behind us that would have had a hard time seeing, but that was the extent of my bickering with them. But I would be way to shy to call attention to myself and make it a point to try to insult their intelligence by the fact that they weren’t good enough to get into USC (I can’t even remember if the other two guys even went to college or not)

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 19, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Staying till the end...

I wish I could have!

I drove down to SoCal for the Rose Bowl with my girlfriend and we were supposed to meet with her 15 year old brother and her dad to just exchange tickets and money so that we had the best tickets since she fronted the money for all of them. Anyway, we were supposed to meet for the parade and then go our own ways after that for tailgating and the whole bit before the game.
We hung out around the bowl before the game and decide to go in early and get to our seats and watch the place fill up. Watching that second quarter was like a bad dream a lot like the Michigan game where it just seemed like we were waiting for the sun to go down to start playing. Finally halftime comes to our aid and gives the team a chance to stop the bleeding. Its at this point that my girlfriend decides to check her phone and sees a strange number and a voicemail.
She checks her voicemail and it is a message from the Rose Bowl security booth paging her to go to the security booth. We spend damn near the entirety of halftime getting to the other end of the Rose Bowl and to the police booth. It turned out that her dad had been taken to jail and her brother was in the hospital. The only thing they could tell us was that alcohol was involved.
We then catch a cab to the hospital (which incidentally shared the parking ramp where we had parked that morning for the parade and had left the car all day). We find out that her brother and dad had separated to tailgate. Her brother had gotten very drunk and then met up with her dad to go into the game. They get to their seats and her brother starts getting sick and throws up at their seats.
With the addition of the youngins stomach contents to the seating area, her father starts berating and yelling at the kid for being a general dipshit. This causes the people around them to rightly call over the police and get them removed. Her dad is taken in and booked for public drunkenness and her brother is taken to the hospital for observation.
That my friends, is why my girlfriend and I had to watch the second half of the Rose Bowl on tv. Not to mention the next few hours waiting for her brother to get released and to get her dad from the police station.

Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD

by bconway6 on Jun 18, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's over

Bacon boy wins the thread.

by BSD on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he wasnt the worst part.

He was obviously in some kind of hung over pain and not feeling good. Plus he was only 15 and we’ve all made young mistakes.

The dad gets in the car when we pick him up from the police station and makes some kind of crack to the brother along the lines of “some game huh” and chuckles and all. I damn near threw him out of the car and told him to walk to his own f*ing car! It’s a good thing Pasadena is a smallish town and the drive to their car was short.

Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD

by bconway6 on Jun 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm just missing the scope of what the dad did

because your dad yelling at him or not, they were probably gonna get kicked out just because of the vomit (I think pretty much everyone I’ve seen vomit on the ground/seats at a game has gotten thrown out).

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 18, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

True,

and really he wasn’t drunk enough to warrant being taken in by itself, but an acceptable level of drunkness + your son blowing chunks on people causing you to miss the Rose Bowl = drunk and belligerently angry enough to get taken in.

So yes the real trouble did start with her brother, but her father wasn’t able to take care of it on his own causing us to get involved. In general I like her brother, her dad on the other hand, a little less so.

Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD

by bconway6 on Jun 18, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stephen Obeng-Agyapong is not amused by your girlfriend’s brother and father.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep

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One of the smartasses in the back of the car replied, 'Sherman did.'" - confirmy

by ReadingRambler on Jun 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord, Baconway

I am ashamed I ever complained about a-hole USC fans in this thread. Mike’s right, you win.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 18, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets just hope

we get a redo this season, though I’m fine if our game is a week later than the parade this year, I’ve already seen it.

…what who said anything about kool-aid.

Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD

by bconway6 on Jun 19, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

The parade was good, but probably not worth waking up so early for

but that was probably because my dad, sister, and I somehow (and honestly accidentally) got passed security and found a spot between some bleachers right at the corner of the parade where all the bleachers, media guys broadcasting and press are. We didn’t even buy a ticket, just waltzed right through the barricades to get to the parade, but no cops ever asked to see our tickets. We were sitting on the sidewalk that other people payed 50 some bucks a pop to watch, or camped out ungodly early in the morning to get the best seats.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 19, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

Its definitely something I’d wake up that early to do…that once. Probably not again. I’d definitely rather stay up later the night before and get to the tailgating grounds sooner than stay at the parade. It’s a one time thing for me.

Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD

by bconway6 on Jun 20, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should just come and partied with TME & me and Rockin.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, the worst thing about the Rose Bowl Parade

is it is friggen early in the morning on NEW YEARS DAY. Don’t they realize that I’d prefer to still be in a drunken stupor, not even thinking of crawling out of bed for another couple hours?

In my case, I went and watched the parade, but that’s only cuz my cousin’s house is 2 blocks off of the parade route, and she and her boyfriend and my girlfriend were only interested in the parade, while I was only interested in the game. Being it was my gf’s birthday, and my cousin was going to give us a ride to the game, I was kinda stuck at the parade. What pissed me off even more was that I wanted to immediately go tailgate after the parade, and made my wishes well known, but my girlfriend said she was going to “get ready” and instead took an hour or 2 nap. GRRRRRRRRRR (yes, I know I’ve ranted about this quite a few times on here, but I’m still a bit bitter)

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 23, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

uuugh...

“get ready” is such a devious phrase. Its like “there’s only 45 seconds left” when watching a basketball game.

Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD

by bconway6 on Jun 23, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I admit to using that very same line

“aww, honey, there’s only 5 minutes left in the game”

 * 20 minutes later *
“I thought you said there was only 5 minutes left”
“yeah, and now there’s only 45 seconds left”

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 23, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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